NorthernHistorian1

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Notable people sections

I have gone through the article on Hurley, Wisconsin, and cleaned up several things including putting the citations into a standardized format. Additionally, I culled everyone off the Notable people list if they did not have a biography article linked. Our standard for inclusion of a name on such lists on Wikipedia has been that they need to be notable enough to warrant their own article first, then they get listed second. In short, for John R. Sturgul, Paul A. Sturgul, or anyone else to be included, first these individuals need to have their own articles written about them. Imzadi 1979 → 11:48, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Please don't restore entries to that list unless the person has their own article already. We only want to list notable people, and if they can't support an article under our notability guidelines, then they are not notable and should not be listed. Imzadi 1979 → 14:19, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, User:NorthernHistorian1 You need to create an article on Dominic Gentile. Green Bay Packers coach. There are lots of sources for him, as I indicated in our article. And others you think are notable. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:43, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@7&6=thirteen: if there are so many sources, then he should have an article, and I would expect that he should have one. Once he has an article, he can be restored to the list. Until then, let's stick with normal procedures and limit the list to people with articles. Imzadi 1979 → 15:48, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

I don't care about football much. I made the suggestion; not my task to create the article. If the article is created and it is long enough, let me know and I'd be happy to take it to WP:DYK so it can go on the front page of Wikipedia. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:54, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

There are many people listed in Wikipedia under notables who do NOT have a wiki article of their own. Where are you getting the idea that people must have a wiki article about them in order to be listed as notables? That is ridiculous. However, I am going to restore every person you deleted, including the two earlier entries on Hurley notables John R. Sturgul and Paul Sturgul, with detailed sources for all them. Please do NOT delete these re-added entries. If you do so, you are merely being a busybody who is destroying the historical record of people who deserve to be listed as notables from Hurley. Would you please mind your own business! NorthernHistorian1 (talk) 19:09, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

@NorthernHistorian1: you'll want to take a look at WP:LISTPEOPLE. It says:

Because the subject of many lists is broad, a person is typically included in a list of people only if both of the following requirements are met:

• The person meets the Wikipedia notability requirement.
• The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources.

Now if a person meets the notability requirement, they'll have their own article. Since your additions don't have their own articles, they don't meet the notability requirement, thus they should not be added.

As for Paul Sturgul, I know him. He's a nice guy, but until he gets an article on him, he shouldn't be included. Imzadi 1979 → 19:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, you may want to read through WP:BRD. Your additions were Bold, but they've been Reverted, so the next step is to Discuss the situation. While this isn't a policy, it is a best practice that should be followed. Imzadi 1979 → 19:19, 24 December 2022 (UTC)

I did not make the statement you attribute to me. Not my position. I agree with you.

I am not reverting your edits. In fact, I tried to put your additions back into the article. They need citations at least (and then you get to argue about "notability.")

I would also mention (I am not 'warning' you) that WP:Edit warring and WP:3RR exist. Since your account is new, you may not be aware. I WP:AGF. It could be a trap for the unwary. Forewarned is forearmed. I don't want you to get into troubles.

Happy holidays. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:48, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

I've taken off most of the people without articles and redlinked the rest so they can be picked up by the Women in Red project. If you have references for those without references, and / or enough material to create articles on those without them, that would be helpful, as at present - as others have said above - these are likely to be removed again. Tacyarg (talk)

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