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Please note that per WP:SPS, forum entries are not considered relaible sources (in particular cases they are, such as when the author himself makes the posting, though Goodkind doesn't have web access from what I know; also, the p-inc fora appears to be a copyright violation). A better link for the information posted in this edit would be the original source, found here. Also, you might consider using a citation template. Please contact me if you have any questions on my talk page. WLU (talk) 12:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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I went ahead and moved your text to the discussion page, since it was in the wrong section anyway, and until it's sourced, I don't feel comfortable adding it anywhere else. Please see the discussion page for my comments. Thanks again, Auntie E. 17:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Sovetsky Soyuz class battleship/archive1

Hi Omeganian. I see you speak Russian and you're interested in some of our ship articles; that's fantastic, we would really like to include all the Russian capital ships among our good articles and featured articles, and you're very welcome to help! But if you're going to help us get there, there are a couple of things that you need to understand. First, looking through your contributions, you're generally making additions to articles either without any references or with references to what we consider non-reliable sources ... wikis, YouTube, and websites that haven't been approved yet at our reliable sources noticeboard. Second, you're inserting some information that might or might not be reliable into an article that's currently a candidate to be a featured article, and that's a problem; an article can "fail" to become a featured article just by having some large unresolved conflict about sources, or by containing any unreliable sources ... it doesn't mean we don't want to be patient with new-ish users, it's just that there's not a lot of time here, so let's get this resolved quickly. Our policy on self-published sources is here; is this webpage you're citing a reliable source? (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 13:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Copied from User:Dank: "The page is all kinds of documents about the Soviet military in WWII. I am not sure who's in charge of it.Omeganian (talk) 13:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC)". Okay ... if it turns out to be a reliable source, that could really be useful, thanks for linking it. Let's find out here. - Dank (push to talk) 14:26, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I came here - somewhat late - to mention that I'd removed a comment from User:Dank, and to suggest User talk:Dank. Looks like you're all way ahead of me ;-) TFOWR^propaganda 14:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Geometry for Entertainment

Personally, I'd be delighted to know more details and the exact source of the demonstration you mentioned in a recent edit to The Crow and the Pitcher article. Page and edition need to be mentioned as a reference, and it has to be an English-language source. As of now, I have deleted the comment since I can't find a copy of Geometry for Entertainment online. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 13:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Asimov and Iolanthe

Thanks for your edit to Iolanthe, but it was too much information about Asimov for the article on Iolanthe. Perhaps it should go in the article about "Foundation's Edge" or elsewhere. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 08:09, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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The drowned woman and her husband

Omeganian, I have again reversed your change to the above article because it goes against the relevance guidelines at WP:RELNOT. The story treated in the article is about a woman who has already drowned and her husband's reaction to this; it is not about a woman who drowns as a result of not following her husband's advice, as in your Ukrainian folk-tale, which is a a completely different story. In addition, your reference is purely to a Ukrainian source for the story. In order to qualify for inclusion in this article, you will need to demonstrate with a reliable citation that the story is indeed a variant of "The drowned woman and her husband" as you claim - see WP:WHYCITE. As it stands at the moment, your addition counts as original research WP:OR. Mzilikazi1939 (talk) 06:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Mr rnddude (talk) 08:15, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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• Strange logic. What will you demand next; that on the page "Color" red and blue will have outside references to confirm these are, indeed, colors?Omeganian (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

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Impertinent fly

I have reversed your addition and in general have found your editing on English Wikipedia problematic. The grammar is incorrect and the sense far from clear. While I sympathise with your wish to highlight Russian contributions to European culture, you do it no favours by just dropping facts into an article without explaining in what way they are significant, and how they accord with or add to the theme. Sweetpool50 (talk) 18:31, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Editing fables

The way you simply dump information into the fable articles is unsatisfactory and unencyclopedic. I have changed the three latest for the following reasons:

1. "The mouse turned into a maid". The Bengali item obviously belongs with the Sanskrit, not to a European context discussing social class. I have therefore transferred it.
2. "The woodcutter and the trees". Your speculation about the similarity of theme in another fable is unsourced ((an old fault of yours) and does not belong in the middle of a discussion of variants of the main story. It is therefore reverted.
3. The cobbler and the financier. I have never been able to find a translation of Krylov's version of La Fontaine to check how close it is to the original. The Serov illustration you provide looks unlike any episode in the French, but perhaps you gave the wrong link. The way you tack it inappropriately to mention of a coloured etching, as though Serov's too is coloured, shows how insensitive you are as an editor. I was interersted in the luboks; however, they are from different dates and are the work of different engravers, and those facts ought to have been mentioned. Finally, may I remind you that you are editing the English-language Wikipedia. Three references in a row entirely in Russian, with no attempt at translation, is excessive. Sweetpool50 (talk) 11:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

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1. With the Woodcutter: why the double standard? The similarity to 303 is no more obvious and just as unsourced. How come you didn't delete the entire paragraph?
   
2. About Serov's illustration, I'm not sure what you mean by "unlike any episode in French"; the translation at Web Archive starts with the cobbler singing while at work, which is precisely what is shown. As for the part about "tacking to mention of a coloured etching", I would ask you to rephrase it in a manner that does not sound meaningless.
   
3. As for Krylov, all the fables are available here. Not verse, but it might not be a drawback when comparing accuracy. Omeganian (talk) 14:57, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

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Unsourced additions and edit-warring on Just So Stories

As an experienced editor, you should be well aware of WP:V and WP:RS, not to mention the requirement not to engage in edit-warring. I would be grateful if you would comply with these core policies. I will see if I can get the article back to a sensible and fully-cited state; we do not wish to be inaccurate but there is no call whatever to make uncited additions, specially to an article which has passed review. Uncited additions attract further listcruft, and they were on a tangential topic, too: I may hive off the list perhaps. Many thanks for your co-operation. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:40, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Georgi Dushkan

Hi, Omeganian, since you seem to have greater ease of access to Russian-language sources, would you be able to answer a query for me? I am wondering whether the novelist Georgi(i) Dushkan (1905-60) had a Central Asian background, whether he wrote only in Russian, and where he was living when he was writing. A novel of his called Dzhura was translated into English in 1944 under the title of "The Hunter of the Pamirs" (and later into Chinese, among other languages). He seems to have been the first to record an animal fable about a scorpion and a frog, which is why some of us are interested in his background. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

• Nor Dushkan, Tushkan. Son of a Russian noble family, born in Poltava, distant relative of Gogol. Travelled around, worked in Central Asia (including when he wrote Dzhura), volunteered for the war. Omeganian (talk) 13:20, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, that's useful. Sweetpool50 (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

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oral parody

I was unsure about the listing of Russian parodies under The Ant and the Grasshopper. This is the English WP and such parodies would need an English source mentioning that such parodies exist (or perhaps a published translation of them). They also need contextualising; there are any number of English parodies that are mere popular trivia and do not enrich understanding of the source text. If the material is no more than that, it's not worth mentioning. Sweetpool50 (talk) 13:10, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

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Talmudic exposition

It was not clear from your addition to The Oak and the Reed whether it came from the same source. On looking it up, I found not only that it appears before the teaching of the Sages, but that it is in the totally different context of Israel being "shaken like the reeds" and the consequent rabbinic counter-reasoning. I've therefore reversed the addition again, since the subject is really Aesop's fable and too much concentration on other matters borders on WP:OFFTOPIC. Sweetpool50 (talk) 17:07, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Sour grapes

In your edit to The Fox and the Grapes it is unclear whether the expressions that you cite come from a translation of the fable; if so, we need to know who the translator was and whose version he was translating. Without more clarity, it would have to be reverted. Sweetpool50 (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

• • What are you talking about? The links list the source clearly. Omeganian (talk) 02:38, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

As usual you demonstrate your disregard for the guidelines on verifiability WP:V and your laziness as an editor. You should have mentioned the information available in the Fox and Grapes links, not leave readers to find out for themselves. Again, in the case of The Miser and his Gold, you ought to have looked first for an English-language version before citing a purely Russian source. Sweetpool50 (talk) 14:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

• Well, I found no English source mentioning a connection to Aesop so far. And neither have you, it seems. Omeganian (talk) 16:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

The Fly and the Ox Ploughing

It seems that you have uncovered a different variant fable without realising it and I've created a separate subsection for it. The Italian (and Spanish) phrases are only proverbial and so far I haven't been able to locate an actual fable to which they refer. Dimitriev's poem comes centuries after and, since it's not from Aesop, it would be interesting to know what his source was. Any idea? Sweetpool50 (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

• Mikhail Longinov allegedly claimed it was a translation from Pierre de Villiers (1648-1728), but according to other researchers, the guy never wrote any fables at all. Omeganian (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, following that lead I came across a French source saying the same. However, I have now discovered what seems to be the original fable, written (or adapted) by a Mediaeval French Jew, Berechiah ha-Nakdan. There's a modernised version here. Sweetpool50 (talk) 14:49, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

• French is problematic for me, but the Hebrew version is definitely that. Omeganian (talk) 15:29, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

In my ignorance, I thought he wrote in mediaeval French; his title should have alerted me. I first came across Berechiah when I was following up the fables of Marie de France, who was one of his sources. I definitely find her language problematic! Sweetpool50 (talk) 17:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Omeganian, could you please supply a source for the statement in The Bear and the Gardener article that the Russian idiom derives from Krylov's version of the fable? I guess it was you who added that, wasn't it? Sweetpool50 (talk) 17:12, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

• The sources say the expression isn't found there, but appears to have risen either as an ironic readers' comment to the fable, or directly from La Fontaine, but after Krylov made the fable popular. https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dic_wingwords/1459/%D0%9C%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F https://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/vasmer/43200/%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B6%D1%8C%D1%8F Omeganian (talk) 19:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm wondering whether it may have come only indirectly from the fable but via the similar German expression current from the 18th century - https://www.redensarten.net/baerendienst-erweisen.

The second source mentions that expression, along with the Norwegian/Danish one. Omeganian (talk) 04:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I've slightly rewritten the article, using your second reference. Sweetpool50 (talk) 15:07, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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The Oak and the Reed

Congratulations on uncovering so many Russian versions of the fable. What bothers me is the citation of just one source at the end of the paragraph. I think it might have been better if you'd cited the fable book (and relevant page numbers) after the first list of La Fontaine translations and then cited just work and page number (eg. Fables XVIII-XIX C, p....) after each of the named fables on which you comment more fully. That would help the interested Russian-reading reader to locate the version that interests them. Sweetpool50 (talk) 10:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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