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Hi! I don't understand your explanaition of this revert. I can understand "no link in titles" (but this article is full of them) but I don't know what's wrong with "refs within ref tags" - afaik it's common practice on en-Wikipedia. E.g. see featured article Battle of Midway. I just wanted to add link to additional informations about Malinska-class minelayers (because there is no article about them on Wikipedia) and also group this fife vessels into class. Best regards, --Sceadugenga (talk) 22:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- G'day, I know there are other links in titles in the article, but the WP:MOS says no. As far as the citation is concerned, what you've done is place your citation inside the Conway's one, and no-one can see it. If you want to add it, you need to put it inside its own reftags. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:45, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for explanation. Now I understand - on Czech Wikipedia it's common practice to merge more citations into one ref tag. I'll fix it. Cheers, --Sceadugenga (talk) 09:25, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hello to you! Please tell me what do you mean with "doesn't appear to be free"? Image is on commons, and its under public domain? I just have found it there, please be so kind, explain it to me. Is there some problem with that image i am not aware of? Thanks, Happy New Year to you! --Ąnαșταη (ταlκ) 13:53, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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- Thanks, ed! Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:36, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Glina massacres ACR
Gday again. Have your cmts been address here? Anotherclown (talk) 00:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you
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- Thanks again. I appreciate the kind words.--Khanate General ☪ talk project mongol conquests 01:49, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
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Re: Operation Halyard page
Daniel Sunter (talk) 01:58, 18 January 2014 (UTC) Hello Peacemaker67! Thank you for your message. Have a few questions: Why the Partisans are stated as belligerent in the first paragraph? No sources were provided to support that claim. OSS deployed separate missions to Chetniks (Halyard/ACRU and Ranger) and Partisans (Rakeoff, Floatsam, California, Cuckold, Durand, Mulberry, Relator, Redwood, Geisha, Abbeville, Spike, Altmark, Dunklin, Arrow/ACRU etc). Why the data from "OSS and the Yugoslav Resistance 1943-1945" by Kirk Ford, "Bombing the European Axis Powers" by Richard Davis and William Leary`s "Fueling the Fires of Resistance" related to the 15th Air Force sorties over the Balkans and the Halyard Operation were removed? All of them are considered as highly reputable public sources and directly related to this topic. Why the "Halyard Mission" documentary film link was removed from the page as well as authentic US Army photos of the Halyard Operation from Wikimedia Commons? I`d like to collaborate with you and improve the current page dedicated to the Halyard Operation. Cheers, Daniel.
- G'day Daniel, what you have done is mix up legitimate edits using what appear to be reliable sources with the removal of other reliable sources, and the introduction of primary sources. I strongly object to this approach, mainly because it makes work for other editors re-instating reliable sources you have removed without any justification whatsoever. You began the process by removing other reliable sources, all I did was return the article to its pre-disruption state so that you could go ahead and add the reliable sources you have without also removing other reliable sources already in the article. If reliable sources conflict, we contrast them, we don't delete the ones we don't like. Please do not use primary sources without discussing here first, they must be used very carefully. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:03, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, your additional questions. The film is not public domain so far as I can tell, few YouTube vids are. The pics do not state a real source (ie a roll number of index number from the National Archives, or a publication date or title). Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:05, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Daniel Sunter (talk) 13:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)Thank you for clarification. I`d be glad to add the reliable sources and apologize for any inconvinience. I agree that reliable sources should be contrasted. What to do when new edit based on the reliable sources conflicts unsourced edit in very same paragraph or in case of reliable sources being edited/interpreted/quoted wrongly? Example from the first paragraph: given number of the rescued airmen in the second sentence does correspond to Tomasevich`s book but rest of the sentence conflicts with the book and other reliable sources. Third sentence is based on unsourced statistics. Belligerent box on the right side is also based on unsourced edit and conflicts reliable sources. Who is entitled to make corrections and remove unsourced edits in conflict with reliable sources? Regards, D.
I noticed you have edited the article, Chetniks. After removing references and referenced information three times, user:User:2A00:C440:20:27E:248A:3A23:609F:A121 has initiated a discussion concerning the fictional[1] and bias[2],[3] of Sabrina Ramet's book, The Three Yugoslavias: State-Building and Legitimation, 1918–2005. I thought you might be interested in this issue. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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You reverted my addition of the image and pointed to the discussion. Will you please clarify what is the problem:
- is it a source
- is it a caption (the first town can be changed into first bigger town)
- is it something else?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- It is an extraordinary claim (the caption stating that it was the first liberated town in occupied Europe). You'd need some pretty good sources to claim it is the first "bigger" town (whatever that means). The discussion on that archive page explains that there were several towns liberated in other places in Yugoslavia in July 1941 (well before this). This issue has been discussed, it's someone's wishful thinking. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- I've re-factored this to the article talk page. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Halyard op: controversy section
Hello Peacemaker67! Controversy section of the Halyard Op page is unsourced, in conflict with reliable sources and contain major factual errors. Claim "Mihalović assisted the US airborne evac of about 250 from Chetnik territory in Aug 1944" is a factual error - according to Tomasevich, Ford, Leary and Freeman Mihailović assisted the US airborne evacuation Halyard from July till December. Claim "This simply meant that the Chetniks allowed the Americans to use their airstrip for the evacuation – scarcely a particularly heroic action" is also a factual error - according to Ford, Leary, Freeman there was no airstrip to be used for mass evacuation so US mission jointly with the Chetniks, 300 local Serbs (with sixty ox carts) had to clear meadow and level the terrain in order to create suitable airstrip. According to same reliable sources Serbian farmers and Chetniks fed and sheltered crash landed airmen and provided medical treatment of wounded/injured etc. Claim "Mihailovic’s Chetniks rescued German airmen and handed them over safely to the German armed forces – were he so inclined, Schroeder could follow Washington’s example" is not supported by verifiable source. What is your view on that matter? Regards, D.Daniel Sunter (talk) 15:40, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- G'day Daniel, I would prefer it if we had these discussions on the article talk page in front of the whole community. The whole subsection is sourced from Hoare, who was writing for the Henry Jackson Society. The document in question is available here. You are drawing implications from Hoare's words that are not there. Nowhere did he say that the Chetniks and villagers didn't make an airstrip, it is my understanding that this is pretty generally accepted. Please read the whole article, and continue this discussion on the article talk page where I have copied it. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 05:47, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
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Is probably in order for this edit summary of yours. You don't know anything about me. Timbouctou (talk) 04:34, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oh and btw, once you are done fighting your imaginary crusades against whatever you think looks like Balkan nationalism, take a second to meditate on the existence of Category:1944 in England (not really a country in 1944, so the category is a subset of Category:1944 in the United Kingdom) or Category:1944 in Massachusetts (not a country in 1944 but a subset of Category:1944 in the United States by state which is yet a subset of Category:1944 in the United States), or even Category:1944 in Slovenia (not a country in 1944, but the category is a subset of Category:1944 in Yugoslavia). Fascinating stuff indeed. Timbouctou (talk) 04:45, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- My point, obviously not made clearly, is that the two are not mutually exclusive, nor is Category:1944 in Croatia merely a subset of Category:1944 in Yugoslavia. Category:1944 in Croatia is a non-diffusing subcategory (or entirely a subset) of Category:Years in Croatia, which itself is entirely a subset of Category:Years in Europe. But Category:Years in Croatia is also a diffusing subcategory of Category:Years in Yugoslavia. Together, what that means is that the two categories can and should both be used for this article (and others). People looking at Croatia want to see what happened in what is now that country throughout its history (including during WWII), and the same applies to Yugoslavia. If articles are only placed into the scheme that applies to that geographical place now, there is no Yugoslav timeline at all. Therefore, not including Category:1944 in Yugoslavia would be very poor categorisation. It's neither useful for WP in terms of creating timelines and is generally unhelpful. The Yugoslavia timeline categories are a mess, and a template needs to be added to all the Yugoslavia and former Yugoslav timeline categories to remedy it. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:08, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep up the good work
Just a note. I went to the Waffen SS Handschar page expecting to find tirades and POV pushing, since where I often work this is normal. I was quite surprised at the quality of work there, the neutrality and levelheadedness, and the commitment to first-rate sourcing. Thanks for your efforts, and keep up the good work. Cheers (no reply, because no flattery is intended, required.) Nishidani (talk) 08:22, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for quality articles for Operation Bora, with a focus on history and its people like Pavle Đurišić, offering "only cold, hard accumulated evidence gleaned from archives held the world over, and distilled into scholarly texts by academics" you "would kill to have a cup of coffee with", and for living your username, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
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- Goodonya Gerda, and thanks! Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
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This guy should probably be added to Operation Bora. I'd do it myself, but I don't know what is required. Srnec (talk) 12:24, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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Peacemaker67 - Thanks for the recent invite. I entered my areas of expertise as indicated. Like you, I am interested in factual and scholarly substantiation. Many times, I peruse Wikipedia pages looking for "citation needed" and find the requisite information. As an expert researcher and historian by education, this is usually fairly easy for me to do. This is a consequence of having access to voluminous sources and databases. My research skills were honed when I was a teaching assistant at one of the satellite campuses of NDU. Like you, I am not fond of opinion that has no academic substantiation. Often I am frustrated when dealing with fellow Wikipedians who either lack the education or depth of scholarly knowledge to contest an entry, particularly when it is sourced accordingly.
While I noticed your interest in Yugoslavia, I have to report that my subject matter expertise on this topic is constrained to the Balkans from before the First World War through the Second World War (Nazi atrocities etc). However, I do have a coworker who commanded a unit during the struggle to deal with Slobodan Milosevic. Anyway - if I can be of any assistance for the earlier period of Yugoslavia's history, particularly their dealings with Germany, I'd be happy to share what I can. --Obenritter (talk) 20:01, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
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- Done, thanks for the opportunity! Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Chetnik-German Agreements
The Agreements of November 1943 - January 1944 (Lukacevic, Kalabic, Simic, Jovanovic, Cacic) were concluded with General Commando South-East (Oberkommando Sudost), not with Militärbefehlshaber Sudost Felber. Tomasevic's text is a bit vague, but I have original documents.(for example NAW T77, roll 822, frame 630919) --Gorran (talk) 09:26, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- Original docs are WP:PRIMARY and must only be used with particular care. In this case, CinC Southeast Europe von Weichs issued the directive of 21 November allowing collaboration agreements, but delegated the responsibility for concluding them to Felber (the Military Commander in Southeast Europe). Tomasevich actually quotes the Simic agreement on page 326, and clearly indicates Felber, not von Weichs, is the party to the agreement. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:47, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- And by 22 November another Abwehr decrypt had disclosed that the German C-in-C South East had signed a secret treaty with the commander of a Cetnik HQ in Montenegro covering a cease-fire in the Uzice area, west of Sarajevo, as a preliminary to joint action against the Partisans. - BRITISH INTELLIGENCE IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR - ABRIDGED VERSION by F.H. HINSLEY Fellow of St John’s College and Emeritus Professor of the History of International Relations in the University of Cambridge, Cambridge University Press 1993, p. 359--Gorran (talk) 09:58, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- What of the statement on p. 323 of Tomasevich 1975 that the Lukacevic, Kalabic/Simic and Cacic agreements were all between Felber and the respective Chetniks and were signed by von Wrede, Felber's Ic? And that per p. 320-321, that von Weichs delegated his authority to Felber? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- Checked again - you (and Tomasevich) were right. Felber was authorized by v.Weichs, so he made the deal as instructed, and deal was good for all formations under v.Weichs' command. I apologize for erroneous editing.--Gorran (talk) 11:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- No worries, it happens. I'm glad you and I both went back and checked the sources, instead of just repeating our views. Look forward to collaborating with you on articles. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- I hope that's what Wikipedia is about. Regards, --Gorran (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- It is for most editors... Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:10, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- I hope that's what Wikipedia is about. Regards, --Gorran (talk) 12:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- No worries, it happens. I'm glad you and I both went back and checked the sources, instead of just repeating our views. Look forward to collaborating with you on articles. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:03, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- Checked again - you (and Tomasevich) were right. Felber was authorized by v.Weichs, so he made the deal as instructed, and deal was good for all formations under v.Weichs' command. I apologize for erroneous editing.--Gorran (talk) 11:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- What of the statement on p. 323 of Tomasevich 1975 that the Lukacevic, Kalabic/Simic and Cacic agreements were all between Felber and the respective Chetniks and were signed by von Wrede, Felber's Ic? And that per p. 320-321, that von Weichs delegated his authority to Felber? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:32, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
- And by 22 November another Abwehr decrypt had disclosed that the German C-in-C South East had signed a secret treaty with the commander of a Cetnik HQ in Montenegro covering a cease-fire in the Uzice area, west of Sarajevo, as a preliminary to joint action against the Partisans. - BRITISH INTELLIGENCE IN THE SECOND WORLD WAR - ABRIDGED VERSION by F.H. HINSLEY Fellow of St John’s College and Emeritus Professor of the History of International Relations in the University of Cambridge, Cambridge University Press 1993, p. 359--Gorran (talk) 09:58, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
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The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was a German mountain infantry division of the Waffen-SS during World War II. It was given the title Handschar after a fighting knife carried by Turkish policemen when the region was part of the Ottoman Empire. From March to December 1944, it fought a counter-insurgency campaign against communist-led Yugoslav Partisan resistance forces in the Independent State of Croatia. The first non-Germanic Waffen-SS division, it was composed of Bosnian Muslims with some Catholic Croat soldiers and mostly German and ethnic German officers and non-commissioned officers. It swore allegiance to Adolf Hitler and the Croatian leader Ante Pavelić. It established a designated "security zone" in north-eastern Bosnia but fought outside the zone on several occasions. It gainied a reputation for brutality and savagery during combat operations and atrocities against Serb and Jewish civilians. After late 1944, non-German members began to desert in large numbers, particularly once they had retreated inside the Reich frontier. Others surrended to Britsh forces. Thirty-eight officers were extradited to Yugoslavia, and ten were executed. (Full article...)
Nomination of Talk:Skanderbeg (military unit) for deletion
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Yugoslav mobilization?
Yugoslav coup d'état says that on 14 February 1941 Hitler "pushed for the demobilization of the Royal Yugoslav Army". What parts were mobilized at that time and when did this happen? Srnec (talk) 18:26, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- I will check that out and add the info. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 00:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- I could not access Tomasevich's Chetniks earlier in the day (yesterday) and I could not find a clear reference online to mobilization prior to the coup. On p. 32 he refers to the "reactivation (in fact mobilization) of [Yugoslav] troops in Macedonia and parts of Serbia, which may have had some influence on Italian troop shifts." He seems to place this at the beginning of the Greco-Italian conflict, since the footnote refers to the Italian bombing of Bitola on 5 November. He says on p. 57 that "during 1939–40 there were repeated but ineffectual periodic activations (euphemism for mobilization) of the reserves." Actual general mobilization was delayed until 3 April (p. 64), as I'm sure you know. I've added a parenthetical explanation at the pertinent place in the text of the article, cited to Tomasevich. Srnec (talk) 03:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- That rings a bell. I haven't been able to find anything else specific regarding mobilisations/activations. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 03:41, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- I could not access Tomasevich's Chetniks earlier in the day (yesterday) and I could not find a clear reference online to mobilization prior to the coup. On p. 32 he refers to the "reactivation (in fact mobilization) of [Yugoslav] troops in Macedonia and parts of Serbia, which may have had some influence on Italian troop shifts." He seems to place this at the beginning of the Greco-Italian conflict, since the footnote refers to the Italian bombing of Bitola on 5 November. He says on p. 57 that "during 1939–40 there were repeated but ineffectual periodic activations (euphemism for mobilization) of the reserves." Actual general mobilization was delayed until 3 April (p. 64), as I'm sure you know. I've added a parenthetical explanation at the pertinent place in the text of the article, cited to Tomasevich. Srnec (talk) 03:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Which FA?
Handzar or the Chetniks? In the case of Handzar you must agree me with me that such accusatory weasel language (as "brutal" and "savage") is highly indicative of a slanderous subjective agenda. Funnily enough, the same group of involved editors object when the Chetniks are described in the same terms. Surely they were no better. In either case the lead should be free of such attributes. 46.239.102.207 (talk) 16:09, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Handzar obviously, the Chetniks article is far from FA. I cannot take you seriously on a FA if you want to edit as an IP. I know there is no rule against it, but there are hundreds of IPs that disrupt Balkan articles every single week, and most of us revert on sight. Register a log-in and join the community, that way we know your history and can see what you are up to, and your agenda or lack thereof can be assessed. Assuming good faith with IPs when they claim others are pushing an agenda is a big ask, especially on FAs. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 00:26, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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Pavle Đurišić (1909–1945) was a Montenegrin Serb officer of the Royal Yugoslav Army who became a Chetnik commander during World War II. He was one of the commanders of the popular uprising against the Italians in Montenegro in July 1941, then collaborated with the Italians against the Yugoslav Partisans. In 1943, troops under his command carried out several massacres against the Muslim population of Bosnia, Herzegovina and the Sandžak and participated in an anti-Partisan offensive alongside Italian troops. He was captured by the Germans in May 1943, escaped and was recaptured. He was released after the Italian surrender and began collaborating with the Germans and the Serbian puppet government, creating the Montenegrin Volunteer Corps with German assistance. In late 1944, he was decorated with the Iron Cross 2nd Class by the German commander in Montenegro. He was killed by elements of the Armed Forces of the Independent State of Croatia near Banja Luka after he was captured in an apparent trap. Đurišić was a very able Yugoslav Chetnik leader, and his fighting skills were respected by his allies and opponents alike. (Full article...)
First Proletarian Brigade
I just started this page when I found your draft. I woulkd be grateful if you used it to replace my feeble efforts!Leutha (talk) 12:01, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- You are very kind. It has languished in my userspace for a long time. Sure, happy to do that. I've requested your page be converted into a redirect. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:19, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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I just now noticed that with this edit(diff) you wrote a comment about me ("you are extremely sensitive, perhaps too sensitive to be editing WP") but also linked your comment to WP:NOTTHERAPY essay which is clear implication that I am editor with disabilities.
A couple of days ago you wrote a comment that I am "king of cherry-pickers" (diff).
This is only a continuation of your long term practice (many years long) to write this kind of comments to me, but during past several days your comments became more frequently violation of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL policies. Please cease your hostile behavior to me.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Trying to address real editing problems is not a personal attack. If several different editors feel there are similar problems in your editing, the best explanation is not that they're all conspiring to insult you. There is a much simpler explanation. bobrayner (talk) 18:03, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
- Ad. I have made my views on your behaviour on WP clear. Given that you continue to behave in the same way despite multiple editors expressing their frustration and concern with your behaviour, I am clearly not on my own. WP constitutes a "wide church", but I have not encountered the combination of behaviours you display elsewhere in my couple of years here. You are apparently fixated on "righting wrongs" or "correcting the record" around controversial people and events or something, but in the process your edits are extremely tedentious and you are very disruptive to other editors. Your approach to policy appears to be affected by what I assess to be a marginal comprehension of academic English. You appear to be extremely sensitive to questioning, usually avoid questions to focus on the smallest perceived slight, and demand immediate responses from editors who would probably rather not interact with you at all, and would probably wish to be doing something productive with their time on WP. If you have been insulted, you need to take some responsibility for your own actions that have contributed to my interactions with you. Despite the fact that you appear excessively sensitive and have demonstrated poor English comprehension, I unreservedly apologise for any hurt you have felt as a result of our interactions. To limit the potential for further unpleasantness, I will no longer interact with you on talk pages unless I have need to discuss an edit you have made in article space. I will not respond to you in talk space except in those circumstances, and will do my best to keep my comments civil. You would benefit from examining your own behaviour. If you respond to this comment I will not be replying. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 00:23, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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Personal note of thanks
Hi Peacemaker. :) I love that name; I am a peacemaker myself! (Not to be conceited). Anyway, I saw your edit on Pavle Đurišić and thought it was truly wonderful. You definitely touched up the article. Keep up the beyond-fantastic work. EmilyREditor (talk) 05:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
- And another such note, thank you for today's 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian)! - I made Peace part of an acrostic on my user page, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:18, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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For continuing, relatively balanced, and attempted-neutrality editing in a very controversial field of wikipedia work. Buckshot06 (talk) 23:06, 26 April 2014 (UTC) |
- Thanks Buckshot. It's not always easy... Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:42, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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For your extraordinary effort, attention to detail, and commitment to reliable sources in countless articles under Operation Bora's scope. ◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 12:39, 27 April 2014 (UTC) |
- Ah, PRODUCER. Thank you. Nice one. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:43, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- No problem, you deserve it. I'd help and be more involved, but I'm treading through far worse bog at the moment. Anyway keep up the excellent work! --◅ PRODUCER (TALK) 08:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)