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Your GA nomination of 373rd (Croatian) Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)

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Your GA nomination of 373rd (Croatian) Infantry Division (Wehrmacht)

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Hungarian occupation of Yugoslav territories

Congratulations! You worked hard on that. After the problems I'd mentioned were fixed, I didn't think I could offer an objective review, but in the end you didn't need it. Congrats. – Quadell ^(talk) 14:36, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, you made some really good comments, and I did (eventually...) appreciate them. Some significant improvements resulted. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:38, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

FA

Hi, Peacemaker! Congratulations on getting Hungarian occupation of Yugoslav territories up to FA-class. I was planning to nominate an article for FA myself (21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian)) and was wondering if you'd like to go for a co-nomination considering your significant contributions to the article and the fact that we took such a course of action during its A-Class review. Thoughts? 23 editor (talk) 16:11, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I was just thinking that myself! I consider it is ready. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:43, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Great! I'll nominate it now on our behalf. 23 editor (talk) 18:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Questionable source

The Axis Air Forces: Flying in support of the German Luftwaffe by Frank Joseph.

You cited this book in the Axis OOB for Yugoslavia article. (At least, it's in your original draft. Maybe you got it from another article. I assume you're only looking at the Google Books version.) I do not have the book, only a preview on Google Books. But the tone of the work got me concerned. I believe the author is noted neo-Nazi Frank Collin and I do not think the source is reliable (although the publisher is reliable). I found a review at Axis History Forum that backs this up. Here is another one. Our own article on Joseph/Collin says he is the author of Mussolini's War and the publisher's author description confirms that they are the same author. He is not a historian. Srnec (talk) 05:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

His background certainly doesn't look good. Despite the fact that Joseph/Collin is used merely for aircraft numbers, I agree his reliability as an author is questionable based on the above. He claims to be (and almost certainly is), a journalist, which does not preclude using a book written by him as a source, so long as it is accurate. The issue of the specific book needs more research. I will attempt to locate an academic review of it (axishistory and airminded are essentially blogs by otherwise unpublished but enthusiastic people). Thanks, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 06:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I've located a review in Reference & Research Book News and have requested a copy via WP:RX. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 06:39, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the author of the Airminded blog post cited by Srnec -- just popping up to point out that I am in fact published, if that's an important criterion (I'm an academic and an aviation historian, though not an expert on Axis air forces by any means). But I don't think it should be. Unfortunately that Reference & Research Book News is just a brief (though positive, as far as it goes) publication notice, rather than a full review; I'm not aware of any other reviews of The Axis Air Forces. I do cite one of Mussolini's War in an earlier post of mine, in which I looked at some errors in both books, though focusing on Mussolini's War. They're bad history; while they do contain some accurate information (I'm not claiming that he is just making everything up as he goes along), given the dubiousness of the author other sources should be found instead. Anyway, I'm glad that questions are being asked here regarding Joseph's suitability as a reference. Airminded (talk) 07:46, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

So you are. It is an important criteria, as your blog would otherwise be a WP:SPS, and such sources could not normally be used for any purpose except to source facts about the blog itself. However, given you are published academically by third party publishers, your review of this book (such as it is) will certainly be taken into account in assessing the reliability of the book. The idea that the author might be a "former Neo-Nazi" certainly makes it less than ideal as a source, although I would note that books by former members of the SS are considered reliable sources on WP for some purposes (mainly the facts of military engagements, their own opinions about events etc), but the fact that he may not be neutral would need to be addressed in some way. Example of this would be Otto Kumm's book about the 7th SS Division, Edmund Glaise-Horstenau's memoirs (published posthumously) etc. Both are used (carefully) on WP. I have to say that my initial view on this is that inline attribution may be sufficient given we are not talking about the "prowess" or otherwise of the Hungarian Air Force, but in fact just the numbers of aircraft they had in service at the time of the invasion. They are basic facts, and he is not interpreting them (assuming we have no reason to think them inaccurate). Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:12, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Sure, they're basic facts, but by the same token they'll be available elsewhere and so there is no particular reason to use Joseph's book. And, of course, historical statistics are usually debatable and so can be manipulated like anything else; I can imagine scenarios where he chose different sets of numbers to flatter the Hungarian air force (to make it seem powerful) or to minimise it (to explain its defeat). I have no reason to think that he did, I haven't checked -- my point is that I wouldn't trust him as a source, I'd find something else. Citing him on Wikipedia (and it's not just in the article we're discussing, he is, or was, cited quite widely, and in some prominent articles) gives him credibility that he does not deserve, and will encourage others to cite him further in future. Arguably, that shouldn't be Wikipedia's concern, though.

I'd also add that, in my opinion (as I discussed on my blog) his promotion of pseudohistory and hyperdiffusionism (Atlantis, pre-Columbian contacts etc) is of a piece with his neo-Nazism and his distortion of history, and is further evidence of his unsuitability as a historical reference. There's my $0.02, anyway! Airminded (talk) 12:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

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Great minds... Thanks for the encouragement. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for standing. I didn't realise that you were Australian BTW. Nick-D (talk) 11:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Is there a good reason for doing this. It seems utterly pointless to me and is a wate of effort as they have to be either followed through fully or redirected to the tatrget articles talk page. Can you look into whether it is necessary? Me3anwhile, those I find i will re-direct to the relevant Talk page.--Petebutt (talk) 23:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

You are probably right. I can't think of a good reason off the top of my head. I have desisted. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Johann Mickl

Hi, nice article. Did you see this? Or this? MisterBee1966 (talk) 10:29, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm using von Horstenau already, but I think the Heinz Richter book is self-published (I'm also stuffed if I know how I'd get a hold of a copy...). Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Can you please check back there? With so unanswered questions, I'm not sure if we now have a consensus or not. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I lost interest. I'll comment and step back. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 13:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hyacinth Graf Strachwitz von Groß-Zauche und Camminetz

As an expert in the topic may I ask you to have a look at Balkans campaign? I have started working on the article a year ago and want to drive this to "completion", what ever that may mean, soon. I could use a second opinion. Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:34, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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Battleships of Spain

Hi Peacemaker. You know Bushranger and I oppose(d) retitling the article, even though we hadn't commented specifically on your second proposal. Yes, it was showing up in the category, but that's not really a problem that needs solving. It would be best to move them back since there was no consensus to move them originally, and start a WP:RM if you want.

Also, the moves didn't catch the GA review sub-pages, which are still at the "List of..." names, which makes it more difficult to track them. There should be a box you can click when you move pages that allows you to move sub-pages (though that might be an admin-only option, I don't know). Just something to keep in mind for the future. Parsecboy (talk) 20:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of any opposition, if they aren't really lists per FLC I'm not sure they need to be at "List of" for any reason. However, your call. I'll move them back. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I figured you saw my and Bushranger's comment on the Spain talk page after you posted there a few weeks ago.

My basic position is, regardless of what the regulars at FLC say, these are still lists of things, and so they should be titled as such. Parsecboy (talk) 15:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Johann Mickl

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I am reading Richter and Kobe right now. It has info on his World War I service. This includes info like that his unit saw first combat on 26 August 1914 in the area of Zloszow, near Lemberg. Their attack was repulsed and his unit suffered high casulties. Mickl himself was severely wounded when he was shot in the chest. He did not return to his regiment until 15 April 1915. I am using this as an example but the question you want to answer is whether you to incluse this at GA or not. Let me know how you want to proceed. It will take me some time to read the book and condense the info into article size. MisterBee1966 (talk) 05:03, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

G'day again. I would be glad if you would pass on the info and pages when you can. I don't think greater detail on his WWI service is necessary to meet the GAN criteria of "it addresses the main aspects of the topic", but I wouldn't take the article further (ie to ACR) without it. So, up to you whether you think it is necessary to meet GA, but I would appreciate any additional information you could provide, especially as the article develops towards ACR. Thoughts? Peacemaker67 (send... over) 07:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Okay, that's fair. Let's proceed at GA without the info included. I think this is reasonable since his ntability is derived from his WW2 actions which are covered. MisterBee1966 (talk) 08:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Stalled FAC

Hi, the FAC of 24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger appears to have stalled? Is there any effort to revive the review process? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:13, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

G'day, I'm reasonably relaxed about it. I expect one of the FAC delegates will have a look shortly and decide if there is enough there for promotion (or otherwise). We monitor FACs within MILHIST, so there are plenty of prompts in addition to the FAC process. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 06:33, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

That's good to hear. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 12:19, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Johann Mickl

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Your comments to me

You wrote dozens (or more probably hundreds) comments to me on talk pages of various articles. Almost every single comment you write to me (dozens by now for sure, maybe even hundreds) is:

1. unnecessarily harsh
2. with fallacious misinterpretation of my position (most often straw man).
3. snide
4. discussion of my actions or point of view instead of valid issues I pointed to

Although I complained to you about your actions (which I believe violate many wikipedia policies and guidelines) more than once you decided to continue with the same behavior.

Your above described actions made editing of many articles (including article on Jezdimir Dangić) unpleasant for me and discouraged me from further editing. I promised to present sources for Ustase atrocities before spring of 1942 in eastern Bosnia and I will present a short list I prepared until now as my last comment at that article, for now. All the best. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:59, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Goodo. Insight is a rare and useful thing, of which you appear to have little. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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World War II persecution of Serbs

Hi, Thanks for catching that mistake - I misread the image text. Removing image completely instead as I can't find any valid replacement image for the missing one. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 13:58, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries, the old one was one of mine, it and some others got it in the neck when I took an article containing it to FAC. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 14:00, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

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Skanderbeg division

Hi, Peacemaker. I'm a bit concerned that the article in question hasn't attracted enough attention at FAC and might not be promoted as a result. So far, we have one support and one "provisional support". How do you reckon I go to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history and invite people to leave comments as I've seen a few other editors do in the past? 23 editor (talk) 22:42, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

It would be ok to place a neutral message on the talk pages of all the relevant WikiProjects. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 22:50, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Proceedings 1963 Vol 89

Hi, I had a look for the article on the Royal Yugoslav Navy this afternoon, but unfortunately it's in one of the issues from 1963 which the library doesn't have. It was listed in the end-of-year index as having been published in issue 722 starting on page 138. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 09:20, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Bugger. Thanks for looking for me! Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 09:24, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

G'day, gents, I will have a look in the work library catalogue on Monday if you want. Just to confirm, is there a title for the journal article I should look for? Otherwise, the details I will search for are: Proceedings 1963 Vol 89 issue 722, p. 138. Is this correct? Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 09:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

The title of the article is "Royal Yugoslav Navy in World War II". If you have access to a hard copy, I also strongly recommend leafing through the 1960s-era ads for military hardware for some cheap laughs (my favourite was a "micro computer" which appears to be the size of my house). Nick-D (talk) 09:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

G'day, gents, unfortunately the library only has the journal back to 1997. Apologies. AustralianRupert (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Exactly the problem I had. Thanks for looking though. It really is appreciated. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 10:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Yugoslav destroyer Zagreb

Hi! I noticed the article on Yugoslav destroyer Zagreb mentions the ship was built in "Jadranske Brodogaliste at Split, Yugoslavia". I assume this is carried verbatim from the source offered, but there are possible problems with that: This is likely misspelling of Jadransko Brodogradilište (literally Adriatic Shipyard) or Jadranska Brodogradilišta (lit. Adriatic Shipyards). Shipyard called "Jadransko Brodogradilište" is located in Bijela, Montenegro ([1]) right now. It was established in 1927, but I'm not sure if that was its original name or not. According to this source, merger of Kraljevica Shipyard and Split Shipyard in 1936 (following 1930 Yarrow takeover) created company named "Jadranska Brodogradlišta" (plural). According to this source, Split shipyard was called "Split Shipyard" at the time Zagreb was built. From the above and the article prose, I assume Chesneau refers to the Split Shipyard, but I thought to drop you a note so that you could make whichever corrections you think are appropriate. Cheers --Tomobe03 (talk) 14:21, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Tom, I'll check the source. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 21:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of 24th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Karstjäger and 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian) to FA status recently. If you would like to see these (or any other FA you may have helped to write) appear as "Today's featured article" soon, please nominate them at the requests page; if you'd like to see an FA on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the articles may end up being picked at any time (although with 1,331 articles in Category:Featured articles that have not appeared on the main page at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 17:59, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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I have send you an email. Please let me know if this is acceptable Thanks MisterBee1966 (talk) 06:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Perfectly fine, I've replied. Sorry about the delay (RW). Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 08:05, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

got mail MisterBee1966 (talk) 17:26, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Yugoslav submarines

Hi! I stumbled across this article covering the 85th anniversary of commissioning of Yugoslav submarines Nebojša (current article is missing the caron) and Hrabri claiming the two subs arrived to the port of Tivat on 8 April 1928 escorted by submarine tender Hvar. The article contains a photo of the subs and the Hvar, along with two other subs (presumably two Osvetnik-class subs), in Tivat. Less significantly, there's this article on an April 2011 exhibition in Military Museum in Belgrade featuring a flag removed from Nebojša. Cheers.--Tomobe03 (talk) 10:16, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Tom, that's great stuff! Peacemaker67 (send... over) 10:17, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Nađ

Thanks for your interest in the article Mladen Stojanović. Regarding this edit, do you think that Nađ 1979 should be avoided altogether, or only regarding events in which Nađ was personally involved? Among the sources available to me, Nađ 1979 provides the most precise accounts on the creation of the Operational Headquarters for Bosanska Krajina, on early activities of Lazar Tešanović, and on the circumstances of the wounding of Stojanović. Vladimir (talk) 16:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

I tend to think he should be avoided in general, but so long as there is no controversy about a specific point and it does not include his opinion of others or interpretation of incidents in which he had a hand (positive or negative), I believe he can be used with in-text attribution. Similar problems occur with using sources like Colakovic and Vukmanovic, as their views on various aspects of Partisan operations in eastern Bosnia varied considerably, and they clashed a number of times after the war regarding their accounts of what happened at various times. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 23:29, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Xhafer Deva

Hello, I'm currently working on the above-mentioned article and I've noticed that Tomasevich has a bit to say about this individual. However, I cannot access pages where he is mentioned on "War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941–1945: Occupation and Collaboration" on Google Books (I don't own the book) and I'm only allowed snippet views. Since it would appear you own the book, would you mind posting a brief summary of what Tomasevich has to say on my talk page or adding it to the article? It doesn't look like he mentions him for more than two or so pages so it shouldn't take up to much of your time. Thanks, 23 editor (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Yugoslav order of battle for the invasion of Yugoslavia

Hey, glad to see the FLC promoted this evening. Hopefully no bad feelings regarding my comments comparing the Milhist A-list process to FLC etc, I hope you agree the list in its current state is a class above that which you nominated. I look forward to the reverse list (which seems to A-class already) being improved to a similar extent. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:14, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

@The Rambling Man: G'day, very pleased with that result. I have appreciated all your input, and admit I was on a steep learning curve at FLC. No hard feelings whatsoever, was very pleased you took an interest, and I now have a very clear idea what is required to get the Axis OOB up to the same standard. I am sure MILHIST will be able to tweak our AL criteria to better align them with FLC requirements. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 03:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

FLC closing procedure

There's a known bug in the closing bot that causes the talk pages of promoted pages to not be updated. This affects FAC and FLC, and is an annoyance to all of us. You can update the talk page yourself if you wish; if not, I can probably figure out how to do it (others typically have updated talk pages before). Just let me know how you want this to be handled and it will be taken care of. Giants2008 (Talk) 02:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi @Giants2008: I am not sure about doing it myself, I have only just started closing MILHIST ACRs and am not confident I wouldn't stuff it up. Would you mind handling it? Thanks very much. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 01:14, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure that I didn't just stuff if up, but I think that everything is sorted out now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:41, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Congrats on achieving FL class at the Yugoslav order of battle for the invasion of Yugoslavia. Great work! Tomobe03 (talk) 10:22, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Main Page appearance: Artur Phleps

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Artur Phleps (1881–1944) was an Austro-Hungarian, Romanian and German officer who held the rank of SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS (lieutenant general) in the Waffen-SS during World War II. He was an Austro-Hungarian Army officer before and during World War I, specialising in mountain warfare and logistics. During the interwar period, he joined the Romanian Army and became an adviser to King Carol. After he spoke out against the government, he was sidelined and forcibly retired from the army. In 1941 he left Romania and joined the Waffen-SS. He saw action on the Eastern Front before raising two Waffen-SS mountain divisions and one corps in occupied Yugoslavia. Units under his command committed many crimes against the civilian population of the Independent State of Croatia. This was the subject of international controversy when Kurt Waldheim's service as Phleps' translator became public in the mid-1980s, during his successful bid for the Austrian presidency. In addition to the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, Phleps was awarded the German Cross in Gold, and after he was killed in September 1944, he was awarded the Oak Leaves to his Knight's Cross. (Full article...)

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A beer for you!

No hard feelings! Have a beer. I can accept the criticism but I think it is better communication to talk. I was not impressed how you just flat out rated the article as not supportive. MisterBee1966 (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, cheers. No doubt we would probably both benefit from taking a more conciliatory attitude to well-intentioned suggestions for improvements to articles/lists we have worked on. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 11:23, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Banat

What do you mean, "of course it (this page Hungarian occupation of Yugoslavian territories) exists"? Hohenloh ⁺ 16:01, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Hungarian occupation of Yugoslav territories. Peacemaker67 (send... over) 21:15, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I have created a redirect. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 21:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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Cheers Tom!

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		The Military history A-Class Medal with Oak Leaves
		On behalf of the co-ordinators of the Military History Wikiproject, I am pleased to present you with this A-class Medal with Oak Leaves to recognise that work that you have done in bringing the Axis order of battle for the invasion of Yugoslavia, 373rd (Croatian) Infantry Division (Wehrmacht), and Johann Mickl articles to A-class status. Thank you for your contributions to the encyclopedia. Congratulations! AustralianRupert (talk) 12:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Flow testing

Hey Peacemaker :). As mentioned on the Milhist coordinators talkpage, we've opened Flow up for community testing. I'd be really grateful if you could hammer on the system (if you haven't already!), let me know any bugs you find, and leave a note at the 'first release' page explaining what you, as a member of Wikiproject Military History, would need to see to be okay with it being deployed on that wikiproject's talkpage.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:22, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Revisiting an old problem in the Balkans

Hi,
Haven't seen you around for a while - hope you're well.
There are a number of different sockpuppets roaming the Balkans. I think you may have inadvertently misattributed some socks which belong to somebody who is still active and still socking. There's a discussion on my talkpage; feel free to join in, your wisdom would be very welcome. bobrayner (talk) 13:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Reverted edit

Hi, I saw that you reverted an edit in the article World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs#Victims. The edit was mostly about the structure (for example, Yad Vashem and other institutions with higher reliability were moved to the top, and minor sources were put at "other sources"), but also a part which was already described as statistically faulty was removed.

Maybe the new subtopic structure could be kept, with the part about the 1980's source discussed at the talk page at some other time? What are your opinions on dividing the text with titles that describe where the sources came from?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_War_II_persecution_of_Serbs&oldid=585114843#Victims Anonimski (talk) 12:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I suggest this is discussed on the article talk page so that all interested editors can contribute. The issue of statistical accuracy is highly disputed. Personally, I would remove every source that says there were 700,000+ killed at Jasenovac, but that would not be maintaining a NPOV, even though that figure is essentially a fringe-dweller conspiracy theory these days. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 12:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I have now brought up the issues on the talk page, together with a suggested structuring of the text. Anonimski (talk) 13:01, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

thanx

Mate, thanks for your job. We realy need a people like you (not involved, the third side) for the Yugoslav history. Keep up the good work! --Mladifilozof (talk) 20:18, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

No worries, keep up the good work! Peacemaker67 (send... over) 00:04, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hola Peacemaker can you tell me that is the problem with the licence, I want to improve it. Thanks in advance. --Mladifilozof (talk) 02:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Sure, the issue is with the death of the author, anonymity of the author or date of publication. You need to provide evidence of whichever of those matters you are relying on for why you believe the image is free. The current image licensing information does not do that. You might like to ask User:Nikkimaria for some advice, she is a guru on this stuff. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

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28 June 1914

Hello. I've been talking with User:Wehwalt about improving Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria to FA in time for the 100th anniversary. It's a bit outside our usual work areas, and we thought of inviting another collaborator. When I looked at Croatian/Bosnian/Serbian featured articles, you seem to be associated with most of them. Are you interested in getting on board this one? --Coemgenus (talk) 15:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)