Picknick99

Greg Day (playwright)

The discussion is closed and they have decided it keep the article!

Common Sense - 1

Arse-y Admins - Nill

Well Done :)
Rushton2010 (talk) 21:48, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Rushton2010

I know Burton well.
I was born in the hospital; so I could in someways be classed as a Burtonian or Staffy maybe?
Of such varied background usually don't get classed as anything other than "odd"

Rushton2010 (talk) 00:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Yeah that would be interesting; do you have the URL?

Next time you're hassled - you can copy up to 1 chapter of a book, without infringing copyright, so long as it is only for your own uses and won't be published or shared.
-Spent fair time in a library for my sins lol

Rushton2010 (talk) 12:30, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

And with the deletion thing. I've tried my best but like I said: admins can be arseholes. They cherry pick what rules they want to follow, ignore those which contradict them, and never listen to facts and reason. Law unto themselves.
No democracy on wikipedia...

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Nomination of Clout Communications for deletion

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Some help

Ok I'm going to help you out a bit here by posting links to various wiki regulations. When I tagged Simon Rumley for a speedy it was because it had no sources. All articles (particularly biographies of living people, or otherwise Wikipedia can be sued) must be sourced and have reliable sources please see here for more info. You may also find this of help. For the article you wrote about yourself I have to bring to your attention Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Autobiography although it is unlikely to go anywhere fast unless someone tries to delete it under notability claims. Speaking of which here is Wikipedia:Notability guidelines and Wikipedia:Notability (people) and as you can see from those two links there are a few more notability guidelines. Finally for now please see Wikipedia:Signatures and sign when you post on talkpages. I get your point of wanting to see it "live" instead of in a word doc. Perhaps next time try creating the article in your sandbox. You can of course cite other articles, but only if that article is well sourced and has the information your citing complete with a reference, and edit other articles using sources to back up your claim. I'll write again regarding Alan Jones as a quick look of your talkpage and I see a bot has reverted you which gives me a clue but I'll look before voicing an answer. GAtechnical (talk) 15:39, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

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Possible conflict of interest?

Hello, Picknick99. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article Nicholas Whittaker, you should consider our guidance on Conflicts of interest and take a look at the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.

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Please familiarize yourself with relevant content policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, verifiability of information, and autobiographies.

For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Thank you.--McGeddon (talk) 18:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Promotional references

If the book was not used to source any of the information in the article (and you seem to have added the same reference to four other confectionery articles, without adding any new content to those articles), then it is misleading to cite it as a reference. By all means add useful new material sourced to the book, or challenge the incorrect "received wisdom" you've spotted, but simply adding the same book as further reading to multiple articles adds little to the encyclopaedia and could be regarded as inappropriately promotional. --McGeddon (talk) 18:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

By all means improve the content of articles, but simply listing your own (?) out-of-print book as "further reading" because you personally consider it to be "worthy" could be regarded as a violation of Wikipedia's conflict of interest policies. If you think it would improve an article to have your own book mentioned, I'd suggest raising it on the article's talk page first. --McGeddon (talk) 19:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

If you can see something in Wikipedia that looks like it's been lifted uncredited from your book, with no alternative source provided, by all means credit the source as being your book, or the trade journals you were researching. Sadly a lot of the confectionery articles seem to be on the sketchy side - I suspect they tend to encourage anecdote and nostalgia.

Sorry if the guidelines here seem a little opaque, but there's method in them somewhere, and the strong "conflict of interest" policy does what it can to keep Wikipedia neutral and impartial, discouraging the promotion of one book over another based on which author happened to drop by. All the best. --McGeddon (talk) 20:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Articles lacking references

If you feel confident that a sticker at the top of an article doesn't apply any more, by all means edit the article to remove it (ideally with an edit summary explaining why) - if anyone disagrees, they'll hopefully explain their view in return. Let me know which articles you mean, though, if you want me to take a look. --McGeddon (talk) 10:27, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

You can remove any template you disagree with, unless the template specifically says "this notice must not be removed" or something right there in its box. Looking at the article it seems fine for references, but needs more footnotes to clarify what the interviews are being used for. I've changed the template and added a one-line lede section while I was there. --McGeddon (talk) 11:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Clout Communications

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Please do not remove the improvement tags unless the issue has been addressed. The inline citations can be legitimately removed; however issues still exist regarding the article's notability, advertisement/promotion and orphan status. Wikipedia articles are open to be edited by anyone and tags are used to help editors quickly identify problems and rectify them.
Removing tags that are still relevant is counter productive to the improvement of the article and can be viewed as vandalism.
In future please do not remove them unless the issues have been addressed.

Regards
Rushton2010 (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I didn't come up with Wikipedia's rules and policies, but all users are bound by them.

I could have nominated the article for deletion as soon as I noticed the issues with it; I, however, took the softer approaches of using the improvement tags. Lists of articles are created from these tags and there are editors that work their way through those lists improving the articles. It also informs the passing reader or editor that there are issues so that they can improve on them. By removing those tags and ignoring the problems those issues are never going to get rectified, and if the article is not brought into line with policy it is deleted.
Its the whole idea of Wikipedia: no body owns or solely controls the articles - everyone can contribute to create the highest quality, most complete articles possible.
Its nothing personal against you.

In the mean time, if you can bring the article into line with the various policies, you'd be able to stop it being deleted.

Regards
Rushton2010 (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes you can remove tags once the problem has been addressed; the issue was that they were originally all removed with none of those problems rectified. Later they were all removed again whilst only the inline citation issue had been rectified.
When tags are being unjustifiably removed, it can quite easily appear like vandalism.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt and chose to warn you about it using Wikipedia's standard warning messages, rather than going straight to reporting you for vandalism, as many other editors would have done.
Warning you has no long-term effects; reporting you could have lead to your username and IP address being banned from editing Wikipedia. -Hence me giving you the benefit of the doubt and using Wikipedia's standard warning messages.

Regards
Rushton2010 (talk) 15:24, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

With regards your query about the notablity of villages, the criteria is for articles is:
"A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject."
So even a small settlement which will have countless independent pages about its history and inhabitants, where as the overwhelming majority of companies do not.

It's always good to remember Wikipedia is very much a social project; by the people for the people; all about community. Settlements are important to their inhabitants and notable within their wider area.
However, the overwhelming majority of companies are not, with the exception of the larger companies, as most people won't have heard of them; even then people might not consider them "important".
And it's from that standpoint that Wikipedia's rules are drafted: Very much community and social minded. Is it important to the wider community? etc. etc. etc.

Hope that helps

Regards
Rushton2010 (talk) 15:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree; Even after a few years the rules and processes (especially the technical ones) can be mind boggling, and the standard messages can be a right pain. I review articles waiting for creation and some of the standard messages just don't quite fit.
Even with the tags, on the Clout "advertisement" doesn't quite fit; its the promotional rules it's breaking but the tag we're given just says advertisement.

I think the issue is how the article reads; so with a few tweeks we could improve it to meet the required criteria. The article looks as if its intention is as promotion for its founder (it says he worked for Columbia Pictures, Channel Four and Channel Five; that is enough - the extra detail isn't relevant to an encyclopedic article about the company, and sounds overtly promotional). Also, it looks as if the company's claim to be notable is drawn off the notability of its clients (by all means have a list with a few well known clients, but ensure the notably is established elsewhere in the article).

Its extremely difficult to write about a company without veering onto promotion; at the minute it reads very much as if it is just intended as promotion for its founder.
The only advice I can give is to stick to pure facts. Just for basic examples: When the company was founded and how(a merger for example?). What industry the company is in, how it operates; what it does.

Establishing notability could be harder. A google search is the basic check Wikipedia will do; all that comes back are websites that are not independent of the company (their website, twitter, facebook etc.).
The easiest way of establishing notability is by stating the thing that sets the company apart from the others in its field. If people wanted a list of companies they would go to the yellow pages; think about what makes the company deserving of record: what is it that someone looking at the encyclopedia in 10, 50 or 100 years is going to find interesting or unusual? For some ideas: Is it the first to do something or the first in an area or industry? Is it the largest in a sector, the largest turnover or profits? Is there something different about the way the business is structured or the way it operates?
The very basic criteria is "significant coverage in reliable sources"; so has the company been subject to media attention?. Has an industry magazine run an article on the company? Has it been in a newspaper (passing references won't be enough- it needs to be the subject of the article or significantly mentioned)? Even bad publicity is useful: a national newspaper calling a company the worst thing in existence is still coverage in a reliable source.
There are three newspapers cited, but there are no article names and authors (or even better would be a website link to the article), so there is no way to verify those references are correct. The fact they are from the 1990s and the company wasn't founded until 2006 looks dubious though.

Sometimes I just make the changes and additions myself but I'm afraid I can't with this article: just because I don't know the company and haven't been able find anything online.

If you need any help or help deciphering policies; let me know.

Regards
Rushton2010 (talk) 16:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

If you find any articles that are overly promotional or you don't think are notable; send them to me and I'll nominate them for deletion. You can ask and ask for months wanting the articles to be improved but it's amazing how quickly things get moving when you nominate them.
So yeah, send me any you find and we'll either get them fixed or get rid of them.
Rushton2010 (talk) 15:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

No I think it is a bit OTT. It's not written in a a promotional tone and is just stating that the tradition exists.
Rushton2010 (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Greg Day (playwright)

Is now up at AfD. Please desist from creating articles that promote Greg Day and his various companies and endeavors. Please read WP:AUTO and WP:COI and stop your disruptive article creation. Qworty (talk) 20:58, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

Stop vandalizing my user page right now or I will move for you to be blocked. Qworty (talk) 10:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Thamks for your message and support. I was beginning to think that I wa slost in some Kafkaesque nightmare like The Trial where one is constantly accused of mistakes, usually caused simply through ignorance and inexperience. The thing is, as a journalist, I know a lot of famous people for my sins and asm friends with a few - Sean Bean, Lenny Henry, Sir Richard Attenborough, Uri Geller - not name dropping here, but just to make the point that some Wiki editors would probably say I be banned from editing their pages too just because I know them. That hardly seems fair and no one knows who I know and who I don't know. One might equally say that I should not be allowed to edit the article on Burton on Trent as I'm from there and it would be a conflict of intersst because I'd be bound to be positive about it and not objective. Again, I have no objection whatsoever to the academic rigours of Wikipedia - but feel it most unfair that they are often applied in a random fashion.

And by the way, what makes qwerty an admin and not you - or even me? Who decides these things?

Thank you again for message. It is appreciated. Qwerty's message spoiled my weekend and I know thar Wiki does not want it to be that way, for anyone, let alone newbies liek me,

• For the record, Qworty is not an admin and cannot block you. He can only ask for you to be blocked, but he needs a valid reason. I believe his warning was related to this edit which, while misplaced, does not constitute vandalism. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:32, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Rushton2010

I can honestly say I've had more nonsense on wikipedia in this last week or two than I've had in the all the years combined. So your not alone in getting disheartened with it all.
It's supposed to be an opening and welcoming community but far too many just looking to cause problems, vandalise or threaten.

Twice this week I've been accused of copywright infringement; both times falsely. Once it was because the person hadn't bothered to actually read the copyright information, sojust presumed it was a breach! The other time all the information was there, just in the wrong place. But of course instead of just moving it, these people would prefer to threaten "you'll be blocked and banned"!

The message above from Qworty is a perfect example.
You have been putting your messages to me on my user page: the correct place is the user talk page. Anyone with any braincells at all can see that's an honest mistake, made through inexperience but he's saying he's going to try and get you blocked because of it.
ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!

Wikipedia has 5 Fundamental Principles that everyone is supposed to follow: Editors should interact with each other in a respectful and civil manner is one of them.

I'll take a look at the article.
No promises I can do anything - if an admin's taken a vendetta against you, you're pretty much screwed -they can be right arseholes when they want to be and there is no comeback.

Rushton2010 (talk) 14:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Its a sort of pseudo attempt at democracy. Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship. You nominate yourself -people vote on whether you're to be approved or not. But wikipedia is not a democracy; number of votes count for nothing; and the ultimate decision is made by admin (the same fake democracy as with the deletion discussions).
So your basic dictatorial elitism -admins pick who they want to join them.

Rushton2010 (talk) 16:01, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Right, I've taken a look at the article; notability is generally judged by having significant coverage from reliable and verifiable sources.
The sources you use do demonstrate significant coverage (the most recent one is 2004 however, so maybe add some more modern ones too), and they are from reputable sources; national newspapers and the like. I would suggest they downfall is that they can't be verified (short of someone finding and reading the entire newspaper for that day). This could be rectified if you could add the title and author of the articles.

I've also added an online reference. A lot of users make judgement based just on the number of online references or hits on google. They shouldn't -the significant coverage the rules go on about doesn't have to be online (or even easily accessible). But still, a lot just glance briefly at articles and don't bother to do in depth checks -so try and put is many online references as you can just to protect yourself from the half-arsed brigade.
Rushton2010 (talk) 15:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• Editors should interact with each other in a respectful and civil manner. That's absolutely correct. Picknick99 came to my user page to call me a "snob," a clear violation of the very WP:CIVIL policy you are citing. You argue that he left his insult in the wrong place. I must then ask you this: Where precisely on Wikipedia does his insult belong? The answer is that it belongs nowhere. I really don't care if Picknick99 is insulting me on my user page or on my user talk page--wherever he's doing it, I'm going to scrub it off and ask him not to do it again. Thank you. Qworty (talk) 23:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

That's not exactly true. he said "True encyclopaedias do not make value judgments but go on the facts of the matter. Anything else is purer intellectual snobbery and should be challenged.". That's not the same as calling you a snob, and it's certainly not vandalism. --AussieLegend (✉) 11:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You

		The Purple Star
		The Purple Star given to Wikipedians who have been hurt by others, for example by having their user pages vandalized, being mistakenly blocked (for too long, or affected by range blocks), being personally attacked, etc. Rushton2010 (talk) 12:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:KIND

Images that don't exist

I see you've added a couple of appparently non-existent images to the Simon Rumley infobox today - is there a problem I can help with there? I can't see any pictures with his name in either on Wikipedia or on Wikimedia Commons...--McGeddon (talk) 19:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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Kevin Howarth references

To meet WP:BASIC, Howarth needs to have been "the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" - a couple of profiles or interviews from the press or heavyweight film websites should be enough. If such sources don't yet exist, then Howarth doesn't merit a Wikipedia article at this time.

Where exactly did you get all the "On leaving school he studied mechanical engineering and general technology as an apprentice at Jaguar Cars." stuff from? --McGeddon (talk) 12:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The line about Jaguar Cars was in the first version of the article, which you appear to have written yourself. If you learnt about Kevin Howarth's personal life from a press interview, then that's great and you should add the source to the article (even if it was printed magazine or TV slot). If you're a friend of Kevin who helped him to write his own Wikipedia entry, then you may have difficulty finding sources to support all of this - the WP:COI policy isn't just to avoid unscrupulous marketing, it also helps Wikipedia stay in line with existing, published sources. --McGeddon (talk) 13:12, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

If you're taking material from sources, you should cite those sources. And as I say above, I don't know much about image permissions - try the Wikipedia:Help desk? --McGeddon (talk) 13:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Afraid I've never even heard of Google Knowledge Graphs. Regarding Berckman, I'm not sure what you think you mean when you say "demonstrably worthy of inclusion", but an author has to meet WP:BASIC sourcing requirements in order to merit a Wikipedia article. Merely having published books or written screenplays is not enough, the author has to have been the subject of significant reviews or biographies.

(You don't need to start a new heading every time you comment on my talk page, incidentally, it's clearer if you just continue the previous one. And new headings should go at the bottom of a talk page anyway. Might be worth your time to read through good talk page practice.) --McGeddon (talk) 15:18, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello again. Which article are you referring to when you say "It's ok. Just delete it."? If you're having second thoughts about an article you created and don't think it's a viable topic for Wikipedia after all, you can put {{db-author}} at the top to flag it as the author requesting its deletion. --McGeddon (talk) 13:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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Leeds, Bradford & Morecambe Residential Express

Hiya, I've moved Leeds, Bradford & Morecambe Residential Express to your sandbox User:Picknick99/sandbox1,
Apologies If you felt offended - Certainly wasn't my intention!
Kind Regards, →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 23:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Picknick

Hi Glad to know the Derbyshire link was useful - did I also mention the merton priory press too, who have several booksd relatedf to Derbyshire history. When I was at gramar school in the sixties we were press-gange dinto helping with an archaeological dig at the old Roman fort at Little Chester in Derby - which I see does have a Wiki page. Also I added a little bit about Overseal railway sheds. I only ever visited once, a gruelling bike ride from Burton - only to find it utterly empty!Picknick99 (talk) 14:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Rushton 2010

Sorry for delayed reply. Unbelievably hectic few weeks! Was hoping things had calmed down.... oh to be so lucky: people throw more stuff at you and have another hectic two weeks at least :/. Holiday in a fortnight- small blessings!

FI did look at the Derbyshire Record Society. I have been toying with becoming a member- looks very up my street. Few things I be interested to read. Interesting future potential outlet for some of my research/writing too, maybe.

Best --Rushton2010 (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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Nicholas Whittaker

why did you withdraw this article? It seems Ok to me. He's pretty clearly notable, and its adequately documented & could be documented further. DGG ( talk ) 02:10, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

I assume then you have no objection to it being restored, and I will do that. If you disagree after looking at the restored article, let me know on my talk page, DGG ( talk ) 17:40, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

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Infoboxes

Have noticed that you've been somehow hand-crafting infoboxes for articles, such as on Greg Day (playwright) - it's generally better all round to use infobox templates, as outlined at MOS:INFOBOX. They're easier for other editors to alter, and if Wikipedia ever decides that all actor infoboxes should look a little different, we only need to change the template for all the articles to be updated. --McGeddon (talk) 09:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Conflict of interest again

Just bringing this up as a direct question because it looks like it was never clearly addressed in the past. Do you have any professional or personal connection to Alan Jones, Greg Day, Nicholas Whittaker or any of the other people that you've written about at Wikipedia? --McGeddon (talk) 09:37, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Are you sure you don't have any connection to these people? Every image you have uploaded to Commons is credited, by your own hand, to "Nicholas Whittaker". --McGeddon (talk) 10:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not talking about the nature or quality of the photos, I'm just concerned that you uploaded them identifying yourself as "Nicholas Whittaker", and have been editing articles about Nicholas Whittaker and his colleagues, which WP:COI strongly discourages. Are you the Nicholas Whittaker that you have been writing about? --McGeddon (talk) 10:59, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I am not suggesting you should avoid editing the Uri Geller article because you once interviewed Uri Geller. I'm not interested in determining whether or not you consider Phil Collins to be a friend or a colleague. I am simply trying to determine whether you have broken WP:COISELF by creating or contributing to articles about people who you know personally or work alongside.

You've given me a "short answer" of "no", but just to check you understand, please take a look at WP:COISELF. Do you have any personal or professional connections ("such as being an employee, or having family ties or some other relationship") to Alan Jones, Greg Day, Nicholas Whittaker or any of the other people whose articles you have worked on? (A "yes" is fine here, it just means you should stop editing them in future, and we'll take a look at the articles to make sure they meet notability guidelines, haven't been edited with any inadvertent bias, and don't contain any unverifiable/unpublished information that you've added from personal experience.) --McGeddon (talk) 11:26, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

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This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. The thread is Clout Communications. Thank you. --McGeddon (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

That's right, all I have are concerns, which is why I've been trying to discuss them with you. If you want to explain how your edits could look like a conflict of interest but actually aren't, or if you appreciate that you maybe do have a conflict of interest and want some guidance on how to handle that, then we can talk about that, ideally at the COI noticeboard link above. But "no, I don't have a COI and I don't like your tone" is a bit of a brick wall. --McGeddon (talk) 13:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I just try to keep Wikipedia discussions brief and to-the-point, I assume we all have jobs and wider lives here. I don't mean this to be impolite, and I like to think that I remain WP:CIVIL in response to whatever replies I get.

I've tried to point you directly at the most relevant parts of policy to spare you from having to read too much - WP:COISELF is just two paragraphs, and says "If you have a personal connection to a topic or person (such as being an employee, or having family ties or some other relationship), you are advised to refrain from editing articles directly, and to provide full disclosure of the connection." An editor who liked Clout Communications would be welcome to write about that company, its staff and clients, but if they were an employee of the company, the spouse of the CEO, or a close friend of the marketing manager, they would have a conflict of interest and should state this connection so that other editors could take it into account, and advise them on how it should affect their editing. --McGeddon (talk) 14:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

If Greg Day is an old acquaintance of yours, then you have a conflict of interest. It doesn't matter if the work was done for free, or if he didn't tell you which pages to edit, or even if you've lost touch since: if you are editing Wikipedia articles about a company run by an aquaintance of yours, it's a personal connection and there are COI problems with you doing this. You "are advised to refrain from editing articles directly, and to provide full disclosure of the connection" - WP:COIADVICE goes into more detail. Does this make sense? --McGeddon (talk) 15:40, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

(I've gone ahead and taken down the COI noticeboard discussion, since it looks like we're now making some progress here.) --McGeddon (talk) 16:52, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

If we are in the difficult situation where it looks from their website as if you are employed by Clout Communication as a PR associate, but you are actually only listed there as a personal favour, I and other editors would appreciate it if you could "provide full disclosure of the connection" you might have to Alan Jones, Greg Day, Nicholas Whittaker and Clout Communication, before making any more edits to articles about the company, its staff and clients. (It's been observed that having a merely apparent conflict of interest can be as damaging as an actual conflict.) Thanks. --McGeddon (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, well, you are still advised to provide full disclosure of your connection to Clout Communications and its staff, even if this connection is now in the past. And any Clout-related articles that you edited before disassociating yourself would still need to be looked at. --McGeddon (talk) 14:26, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

If you're choosing not to disclose your present or past connection to Clout Communications, I'll re-open the COI noticeboard discussion to see what other editors make of it, and what needs to be done about it. Note that, per WP:COI, "misrepresenting your affiliation with any individual or entity" is against Wikipedia's terms of use. --McGeddon (talk) 08:38, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry that these questions seem harrassing, but I'm just trying to get a clear line from you on what your connection is or was to Clout Communications and its staff - you haven't yet given that (since Tuesday you've just told me that you've "disassociated" yourself from your friend's company and that you think plagiarism is more serious than COI editing), and you're continuing to edit articles related to the company.

I've just been hoping that you'd give me a straight answer and I could talk you through any COI issues and what to do about them. If you'd rather not discuss this with me any more, that's absolutely fine: I'll raise it on the COI noticeboard for other editors to take a look at, and will refrain from any further direct communication with you. Your work on other articles is appreciated, and I don't mean to be discouraging. --McGeddon (talk) 09:08, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your response.

A conflict of interest doesn't require the editor to be paid, directed, to have a conscious intention to promote a subject, or to be editing Wikipedia in a professional capacity. Although a paid, directed, promotional professional writing about a company would obviously be wildly inappropriate, well-meaning friends are also discouraged - if I write an article about my friend and the company he runs, I'm going to find it hard not to be biased towards presenting him in a good light, and I may inadvertently omit negative material, or include content from personal experience which can't be sourced (and may even be wrong). It's always better if articles are written by people unrelated to the subjects, working from published secondary sources. (Such as your work on the Bolingbroke articles - it's safe to assume you aren't being polite about a dead 19th century Viscount to spare his feelings, or recounting personal, unpublished anecdotes!)

WP:COISELF puts it very clearly: "You should not create or edit articles about yourself, your family or friends." - if Greg Day is an old friend of yours, it was inappropriate for you to have created an article about him, irrespective of any business relationship.

That Day made you an "associate of the company" and you went on to create articles about that company and its clients may seem innocent from your side, but I'm afraid this looks quite bad under Wikipedia policy, as could reasonably be seen as falling under WP:NOPAY (where you may have been "expect[ing] to derive monetary or other benefits or considerations from editing Wikipedia"). Obviously nowhere near as bad as if Day had explicitly given you a desk and a salary and instructed you to edit Wikipedia on his behalf, but a company owner doing you a favour and you then deciding to write his company up on Wikipedia, for whatever reason, doesn't look entirely on the level - I hope you can appreciate that.

I'd say the best way forward from here would be to get someone to look at the articles related to Clout Communications and make sure that all content is strongly sourced, that it contains no promotional or biased language, that it omits no significant controversies, and that the articles stand up by themselves. That can either be me, or someone else. Let me know what you think. If you disagree and would like a second opinion on whether or not you have a conflict of interest, then I can raise this at WP:COI/N for other editors to look at, or you could leave a message at the WP:HELPDESK. --McGeddon (talk) 11:29, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll check whether any Clout Communications articles should be flagged as having COI issues, and get to cleaning them up over the next few days. Are you okay with the guidance given at WP:COIADVICE and happy to restrict your edits on Clout-related articles to what it defines as "Non-controversial edits", in future? --McGeddon (talk) 12:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

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Your new articles seem fine, and are definitely still there. You can check your own past contributions to Wikipedia at Special:Contributions/Picknick99 and click through. They've been tagged as needing references and categories, but I'm sure other editors will add those in time. --McGeddon (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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Looking at the article history, nobody was suggesting that Somerville wasn't notable, just that the then-current version of the article (which had no sources) didn't show how she would "meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline". (The general notability guideline is, at heart, just that "an article must have at least two reliable sources".)

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Nice article, Picknick, thanks for writing it. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 15:20, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

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Promoting Terry Darlington?

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A author of questionable noteworthiness - do you really believe that? Penguin do not publish authors of 'questionable noteworthiness'. There is no COI whatsoever. I like the guy's books and I do stuff about canals (and books). End of.2A02:C7D:E2BA:400:30BB:81F1:DDEB:2269 (talk) 12:41, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

An author being published does not equate to notability. Nor does a single editor "liking a guys books" qualify information for inclusion. It's not a question of what one editor believes; the article on Terry Darlington is currently flagged, questioning its notability. In other words, the notability hasn't been established. Whether you or I like him or not, again, isn't germane. 842U (talk) 15:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

It strikes me that that there are just too any many people making "value judgments" Delete it if it gives you pleasure. I've got better things to do and probably won't bother making any more contributions. Life's just too short. Picknick99 (talk) 18:15, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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