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Queen Min

Hey Dan, can you read this? Objectman 06:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Please write "yes" at here if you can read this. Objectman 09:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I can read this. Not someplace I'd look ordinarily, but here I am...--Dan 15:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I did not understand well meaning that you wrote to the "Talk:Empress Myeongseong" in 04:11, 7 June 2006. Please write once again in Korean. Objectman 22:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'll try - this may take a few days, though, and it may be challenging to type in Hangul. Maybe I'll try an English explanation first. --Dan 15:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

thanks.Objectman 14:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Im kinda new to this thng. I hope this is the place to leave comments.

Thank you for your support! =) I'm sure in the end, everything will end up fine.

And of course I will help you with your Empress Sunjeong page. It'll be my pleasure.

- the//powderoom//

Yup, this is a good place. One concern I have, and please don't take this wrong - that Queen Min article is so well-done I am in need of reassurance that it's not from something that's copyrighted. It's not, is it? Because it's really very well done. Other than that, some citations would be useful - there's some material there that's new to me. --Dan 18:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

No, don't worry about it. I wrote that text myself with the aid of many books but none of it was copied word for word.

I'm in the process at the moment trying to shorten everything. I had a second copy that completed more than halfway of her life but Wiki wouldn't accept it. It was too long or something. So, I'm going to have to just shorten a lot of stuff.

And thanks for correcting the grammar! I appreciate it! I often make a lot of mistakes and I can get clumsy with words and phrases often so its nice someone can check up on that.

- the powederoom

I edited the beginning introduction paragraphs of the Myeongseong page again. I was reading through some other talk pages that related to Japanese-Korean relations and some of the things they said kind of got me just mad. They were just some mean things out there, and reading some of these pages on Japanese figures makes them sound like heros. So I read through past versions of the Myeongseong page and found one that had actually a really decent intro but apparently cut off because it made her sound like a hero? I inserted a few lines from that and incorporated it into something I wrote.

- the powederoom

Hi Dan, I've added the picture from KBS News. — Nrtm81 23:02, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

lol, I was writing on the discussion page when I remembered that photo. — Nrtm81 19:57, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I've just added a comment on Talk:Empress_Myeongseong#True_or_Fake_.3F_Myeongseong.27s_photo — Nrtm81 20:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Argh, the two pictures you got from Japanese books seem also to be of Sunjeong. The caption is "李王坧妃殿下" where the "坧" refers to Sunjeong zh:李坧 — Nrtm81 20:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Emperor Sunjong... but one of his "princesses" so it can't be Queen Min, she was Gojong's "princess". — Nrtm81 20:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The bigger, standing photo has a date. Can you read it? Actually, I can read it, but it's not in western calendar - it's probably Japanese. --Dan 21:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I created an account just to say thank you. I am a Korean currently living in New Zealand. You have no idea how much I appreciate what you have done so far on the article of Queen min. Thank you so much. (I don't even know how to link my wiki user name. Ah well, it is wookie919).

How very kind of you to say so! Thank you. I will confess to a family motivation, my wife's great Aunt was Yoon Daebi and her g-g-aunt was Min Daebi. --Dan (talk) 18:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW, Dan, I made a new contribution to the discussion of Myeongseong. I put in the source address for that (OLD) Japanese document, where "They showed the woman's corpse to the maids, All of the maids answered "This is the queen",... We reported the incident to the Daewon-gun" and all that...Pls. see...

Thank you Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 10:00, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Queen Min's direct Ancestors

Dan, can I ask something (concerning Myeongseong's lineage). I've seen the Korean wiki articles of Myeongseong, her father, and Inhyeon (Sukjong's wife, a Yeoheung Min). Here's what I've seen...

• Myeongseong's relationship to Inhyeon - 명성황후의 5대조
• Inhyeon's relationship to Min Chi-rok - 민유중의 5대손

May I ask, what does the hangeul mean? 'Cause I can sort of imply that they are 5th generation of something in their genealogy...

By the way, from my searchings here in wiki, Daebi is "Queen Mother". So what should be Myeongseong's correct title when she was invested as Queen of Joseon at 15?

Thanks...Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 15:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Heran, I'll have to check it. First guess is that it's not a generation but degree of relationship statement....for instance, my uncle (or my nephew) would be my 3 chon, my cousin is my 4 chon. I'm guessing that this is also a possible answer, but the language is not familiar; I'll need to ask my wife. By the way, there's only one Min Clan - the Yeohung part is superfluous. Daebi means dowager queen, and it's what most of the queens are called at some point - but at age 15? I'll have to look it up - remember, she had a ton of titles, some of them posthumous. --Dan (talk) 22:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

BTW, i only transliterated (using wiki's wiktionary) the individual chracters of her posthumous name...here goes...

孝 - 효 - Filial

慈 - 자 - Benevolent

元 - 원 - First

聖 - 성 - Holy

正 - 정 - Proper

化 - 화 - Change

合 - 합 - ???

天 - 천 - Heavenly

明成 - 명성 - Myeongseong (Brilliant Completer)

太皇后 - 태황후 - Grand Empress (correct title??? 'coz Ci Xi's final (so many titles given to her during her reign as Empress Dowager) title 皇太后 - 황태후 - Empress Dowager (wooo...shifting of the 太 태 syllable...)

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

by the way, have you seen my entry regarding empress sunmyeong (sunjong's first consort) (down there)?Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Titles...again

STUPID INTERNET CONNECTION!... Anyways, I'm mad since what I've typed disappeared... Since recently I've been an addict too much of Yeoin Cheonha (famous daeha sageuk in 2001-2002), here's what I've seen so far for the ladies of the 妃 rank..

• Jungjeon/Junggoongjeon Mama - the incumbent King's PRIMARY & OFFICIAL wife -or- the incumbent Queen Consort (if the first and so on had died).
• Daebi-jeon / Daebi Mama - the incumbent King's mother (biological or otherwise) -or- any former Queen (Consort or otherwise) senior to the incumbent Queen Consort.
• Daewangdaebi-jeon / Daewangdaebi Mama - as far as I know (and as far as biological & physical age can tell), any former Queen senior to every other Queen I've mentioned.

So, to conclude, Myeongseong only became jungjeon mama (also wangbi jeonha, but that one is rare...) ever since she married Gojong. So, she can't & didn't become nor became daebi bec.

• She was killed even before Sunjong succeeded his father.
• Even if Miura Goro hadn't existed, and she lived to see Sunjong rule, she won't become the daebi, but rather (I think) the taehu (since 2 years after she died the Empire was proclaimed...)

So there... Forgive my ramblings... Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 11:51, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Min's Descendant???

Dan, look at this I've posted in the discussion at Empress Myeongseong... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Empress_Myeongseong#Min.27s_Descendant.3F.3FHeran et Sang'gres (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Her Portrait?

Hey Dan, long time no communication...

I saw a wikicommons devoted to the empress, and I saw another portrait of her...

IS THIS SHE? Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 10:07, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Hyanggyo

Not really -- see hyanggyo. The hyanggyo -- together with the Seonggyungwan and Sahak -- were state-run, in contrast to the seowon which were privately operated. They became progressively marginalized in the course of the Joseon period, as the seowon came increasingly to dominate education. Hope that is somewhat helpful. Cheers, -- Visviva 11:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

GT's username?

Dan, please visit User:General Tojo and look at the article history. DFH 20:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Huh. He really doesn't like any questions, does he? Just flushes them. Makes you wonder why he would join in a cooperative venture like a wiki. --Dan 21:22, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

My sentiments exactly. (btw. I just looked up Monomania after observing that he has posted to no other article than PD.) DFH 16:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Also notable that he failed to see that even though the question was phrased specifically in relation to an official Wikipedia policy, he responded only as if the one who posted had taken personal offense. DFH 16:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the braintalk threads where he gets challenged, he never speaks to a question, but is evasive and raises straw men, a pattern he's continuing here. --Dan 18:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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Parkinson's Page

Hi Dan,

Thanks, yeah I know Keith. I spent a lot of time on Braintalk before I moved on to a different site, he got banned in the end. I suppose the weakness you and I have is that we haven't got time on our hands to micromanage every edit that goes on because frankly we've got lives. I would suggest that we draft in more support from some of the other projects to help keep an eye on things, I might request a peer review and we'll see what that does.

--PaulWicks 14:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan, it's Jfdwolff. I'm the unfortunate admin who tried to mediate the chaos on Talk:Parkinson's disease. Your involvement would be appreciated, as the main point of contention is whether the "prognosis" paragraph is logically sound. And your marital arts skills may come in useful...

Would you have an opportunity to work on the methodology pages? At the moment we lack some vital articles in the field, and even those that we have are poorly written. JFW | T@lk 20:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, JF. Would that I could administer a beatdown or two! What methodology page is that? As long as we can keep it off Bridgeman's radar, I'm willing/ --Dan 03:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan, you missed a hell of a week! KB can no longer edit Parkinson's disease with his dummy accounts. He needs to register and then wait 96 hours before he can do so, and if we pick him up doing nasty deeds he'll just get banned again and again and again. Hopefully he'll get bored and do something else with what appears to be a large array of spare time. Anyway, time to start the epidemiology section off again, please use referenes to pubmed or full-text articles. Cheers, --PaulWicks 08:33, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

General Tojo got civility burnout. Trolls usually go up in flames when challenged, but they leave scorchmarks. JFW | T@lk 18:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I just inserted the {{talkheader}} in the PD talk page. Let's hope this will do some good. DFH 14:47, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree this new contributor might be our friend GT but we should assume good faith until we have evidence to the contrary. I suggest we be as nice as humanly possible because when you do that the real GT quickly explodes and reveals his true colours... --PaulWicks 14:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Oooops - heheh. I guess I was a little short on nice with my last reply. Would you mind oiling the waters bit? --Dan 15:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I got confirmation back on my checkuser request and blocked/tagged all of them appropriately. --GraemeL ^(talk) 23:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan, I'm pleased to say I think the forces of logic and wikilaw have won the day on this one. Thank you for all your hard work and patience over the past few weeks. I hope now we, as a group, can now concentrate our energies on the articles themselves and let the admins like Chris and JFW revert, ban, and bot GT until he gives up. I think we need to draw a line under discussions that address him directly as it just invites his further participation, stokes his sense of importance, and gets us all fired up. I think from his last tirade we can now see that no-one here can persuade him of anything. He's decided he knows all there is to know about PD and nothing will change his mind. I'm happy for him to continue writing his thoughts on his own forum where he can do what he likes, but I think we should all deny him the oxygen of attention. Would be interested in your views. --PaulWicks 19:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Paul, it looks like we can at least work on the PD page without constant interruption. Although honestly I think this guy is likely to continue harassing for some time to come, at least I think we can keep the article intact. I think the gentleman has some serious problems, and is willing to devote a lot of time to this - I fail to undertand why, given that he could put his own page up and be unquestioned king of all he surveys. I suppose we shouldn't feed the trolls or the cranks, but I've been poking him just a bit to demonstrate to others the man's lack of credibility. And thanks again - hope we didn't lose the other earlier editors altogether. And I hope you're keeping cool in London- here in LA it's blastedly hot (but it's dry heat, as the saying goes). --Dan 19:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dan,

Good work on the PD talk page. I would support adding that to the main page and will endeavour to help you find more info if need be. --PaulWicks 21:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Your potted biography

Dan, why did you move your text into the right hand userbox? It looked much better where it was before? DFH 12:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

See, I don't know what I'm doing, and haven't figured it out yet. What I want is for the text to flow in a column on the left, and the userboxes on the right. Can't quite figure out where the instructions are for doing that. --Dan 14:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I took the liberty of making a few links in your text. You may wish to make others? DFH 14:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, David - would you know why I have a |} at the bottom of my userbox? Looks like I missed a punctuation mark somewhere, but I can't seem to spot it. --Dan 15:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I was trying to figure that out along with your primary objective to float the userboxes, but so far I haven't discovered the how to. Got interrupted since. btw. I won't be online tomorrow; got to drive a van to York & Stockton-on-Tees and back. DFH 15:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Enjoy your drive, see you then. Sounds as though you live somewhere near my ancestral stomping ground, [1] --Dan 18:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

General Tojo on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Hi Dan,

I've opened up a case file on General Tojo at WP:ANI#General_Tojo. Feel free to comment there and hopefully we'll all get some relief from his attacks.

--  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  18:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Arbitration requested against GT

Hi Dan, I've requested an arbitration committee look into General Tojo and I've nominated you as an involved person due to your work on the PD page and his personal attacks directed at you. Hope that's OK. Paul. --PaulWicks 16:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sure, that's fine. I'm to the point of quitting this - after all, just had an article accepted at Movement Disorders & got a follow-up on the burner - who needs this? --Dan 16:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys ... I wanted to say I think you're doing the right thing by fighting General Tojo / Bridgeman. I wish I could help more, but med school is a little more time consuming than I'd like. I thought the GT problem had been solved a week ago and am a little surprised to come back and see his current incarnation, DiamondPlus is being tolerated. Anyway, keep up the good work. I'll be done with my pathology exam next week, so let me know if I can do anything to help then.--GeekPhilosopher 17:10, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I just now noticed you fixed the GT vandalism on my user page. Thanks! Seriously ... that guy is messed up.--GeekPhilosopher 17:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Prof Johnson

Yup, that is where I saw him. I wanted to make sure all the vandalism is covered on the talk page.--Crossmr 19:06, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks...--Dan 19:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Johnson

If you think he's a sockpuppet, you should report him per WP:SOCK. That will help get gid of him and any of his other accounts, and serve as a foundation to keep him off using CheckUser results in the future. - CobaltBlueTony 19:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, of course Tony, but this guy is so prolific there's really no point much longer. Take a look at General Tojo sockpuppets if you have a free hour. --Dan 19:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Strike quickly and swiftly, and your enemies won't stand a chance! - CobaltBlueTony 20:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Cool! As a martial artist I appreciate the sentiment, although at my age sneakiness is more useful. Now if we could just find a way to spot any remaining puppets.....--Dan 02:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Ham Seok-heon

hello, prof. i believe you requested this article? turns out it was hiding deep in the bowels of wikipedia. please feel free to add to it. thanks. Appleby 22:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Appleby - there's pllenty could be added. For instance, although names of Nobel Prize nominees are not released until 50 years after the fact, Hahm was nominated, sometime in the early 80s. --Dan 22:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Tojo

FYI, I have expanded Wikipedia:Long term abuse/General Tojo. Adding his hometown seems to have hit a nerve, since he even vandalized his own vandalism using five different IP's/Usernames. I also sprotected the page. -- Chris 73 | Talk 01:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Profsnow - you are an absolute disgrace, remove the suspected sockpuppet off my page immediately. RobertBFC 10:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Yawn. --Dan 22:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

User:RobertBFC

I appreciate that you are working against the General Tojo vandal but I think your conduct towards this user has been somewhat lacking. I don't know if he is a sockpuppet of General Tojo or not (I have seen nothing to suggest that he is) but I think that he deserves to be treated with good faith while he edits within Wikipedia policies. In particular I think saying that you added a sockpuppet tag "to twit him a bit" was not necessary. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 22:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

No, I agree - I shall leave him alone. I'm not really working against the Tojo vandal so much as putting together a good Parkinson's Disease page, and adding my bit to some Korean pages. Sometimes one loses sight of the main purpose. --Dan 22:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for taking it so well. Good luck with your articles. --Cherry blossom tree 23:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Undetected Tojo sockpuppets

Hi Dan, two suspected Tojo sockpuppets seem to have been making edits to Parkinson's disease for almost a week now.

• Al Rasheed (talk • contribs)
• Wael El Kabbany (talk • contribs)

Wael has been banned as he outed himself at m:Talk:Spam_blacklist#viartis.net_2, but I don't have enough evidence to have Al banned quite yet. Could you please double check the validity of their edits please. --  Netsnipe  ^(Talk)  13:50, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Netsnipe, I've been keeping an eye on both those guys, figuring it might be Bridgeman establishing an innocent record - but didn't see any of his usual behavior, so was leaning towards the viewpoint that it likely wasn't him but still deserved watching. I'll look again, but what I saw looked reasonable first time around. --Dan 15:09, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

In good faith

Greetings! Am no expert on Parkinson's, nor do I (or close relations) suffer from it. Wandered across the page (as you do) and thought a bit of tidying was in order, generally minor things just to make it more readable. I appreciate we all have different ideas about what an encyclopaedia is/is not but my feeling is that the vast majority of people should be able to read an (entire) article without becoming lost in the minutiae. Thank you for pointing out the mistake and I am more than happy if you or anybody else changes anything I have written (that is what makes Wikipedia what it is!) I am sorry to hear you've been having trouble with the page as I can appreciate how difficult it can be to get the whole thing just **right** ("Quality" as Pirsig sees it.) Our paths may cross again but I hope I have reassured you that a fellow Taoist acts in good faith. Sorry for the essay!Mmoneypenny 18:27, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Invite

Hi Profsnow,

Thanks for your continued contributions to Korea-related topics. I noticed that you haven't joined WikiProject Korea, so please consider this an earnest invitation to do so. Everything is still rather messy, and probably always will be as long as I'm the janitor, but we're hoping to accomplish great things. I think perhaps the working group for South Korean geography might be of particular interest? Best regards, -- Visviva 13:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Help in translation

Could you take a look at the Tae Kwon Do talk page (under Modern Tae Kwon Do about a third down in that section) and verify if what Errant says about the Korean writing system is true? After looking at the "Writing system" section on this page I wonder if he is correct.Quietmartialartist 19:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes he's got it right - he sounds like he might be more fluent in the language than I am, and that's going some, since I'm married to a former Peace Corps Korean language teacher. --Dan 21:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Also could use some help translating the picture I posted on the Chung Do Kwan discussion page. Thank you.Quietmartialartist 18:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean the two pictures of a bunch of martial artists from 1960? It's all chinese characters, and beyond me to translate completely. I can tell you that there is nothing of Chun do gwan in there, and that the first three characters appear to be the name of the style, since the third character is "gwan". The first character means 'peace' and is pronounced roughly 'pyoung' The fourth and fifth characters are 'Han Gook' - i.e., Korea, and the next character I think is 'high' as in'high school', although I think I'm wrong. The next character after that is the 'do' which means 'way'. Best I can do for now. --Dan 22:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah. So nothing about "Wave"... Interesting... Thanks for what you've translated so far. Do you know anyone else who may be able to translate more?Quietmartialartist 01:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Also nothing about "chung", so don't make too much of it. I'm convinced by Errant that the art, or one branch of it anyway, is called "blue wave". It could be your instructors got it wrong. That happens, it's not the end of the world. Or it could be they splintered from the blue wave group - that happens a lot too, especially with Korean martial artists. IMHO the whole forced unification of styles that the dictator Syngman Rhee pushed was ill-conceived and unnatural, so it's no surprise there are disagreements. If you enjoy your style, respect your teachers, and get something of value from it, that's enough. Whether there's this huge unbroken string of ancient teachers or it was just something put together by some guy who studied shodokan during the occupation is not really that important, at least to me. Used to be martial arts were very local - you'd go to your uncle or someone and learn what he taught you, usually one-on-one. Very much the 'karate kid' scenario. Trying to make something more out of it came, in my opinion, out of Korea's ongoing and continuous jealousy of Japan, who got the Olympics in Tokyo quite early on and whe even had a Japanese martial art become an Olympic event. That's really what the unification of styles into the taekwondo pastiche was about, if you ask me. But in answer to your question - I'll have my wife take a look at those pictures later today & let you know what she says.

Thanks again. Quietmartialartist 00:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, here's the better translation - the date is in 1961 - you subtract 2333 to get gregorian year - and I misread some of it - It says "Welcoming reception for the first gwan director on his return to the country". --Dan 02:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

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Sunmyeong's Posthumous Name

Hi Dan!

It has been a while since I've edited Min...

But now, I want your help concerning his son's consort, a Yeoheung Min.

I've posted a new topic in his article's discussion page...

See, here's the problem...

I've recently seen (from the official site of the Myeongseong drama) her posthumous name listed as 純明孝太后 순명효태후 Sunmyeong hyo-taehu "The Filial Empress Dowager Sunmyeong". Very contrary to the posthumous name here in the article as 純明孝皇后 순명효황후 Sunmyeong hyo-hwanghu "The Filial Empress (Consort) Sunmyeong"...

What is correct?

And might I ask, is there a difference in 太后/태후 and 皇太后/황태후? Are they the same (with or without the 皇/황)?

Thanks...

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 09:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

太后/태후 and 皇太后/황태후 are effectively the same. One is the shorter version of the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sghan (talk • contribs) 09:16, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for move of Empress Myeongseong

Hello, Profsnow. Sennen goroshi (talk · contribs) has requested for move to the article of Empress Myeongseong to Queen Min. Since you've participated in editing and discussing the article, your input would be appreciated on this. Thanks.--Caspian blue 18:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Dan, question, when did really the term "Queen Min" show up? Was it Japanese propaganda? Because the Western world refers to her as "Queen Min". We're both in the same position when I also said no one called her directly "Queen Min", even in the Palace (that's disrespect, isn't it?) And why the issue, when the National Institute of Korean History announced that it's "Empress Myeongseong", isn't it??? Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 10:47, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

No idea when that came into currency. You're correct, no one would've directly called her anything other than some variation of "ma ma", but how she was referred to indirectly would vary according to where the person was - "Queen Min" has a very western sound to it; my guess is the term was used by western diplomats rather than by the Japanese. But that's just a guess. In the old photo section, the photo by the German that is most probably Myeongseong is captioned "the slain Queen", but I am unaware of who or when the "Queen Min" term came into use. There was a lot more to Japanese propaganda, though - the entire monarchy was portrayed as corrupt, incompetent, and in need of rescue before the whole nation fell apart completely. It was the argument the Japanese used with Theodore Roosevelt to get his agreement to the whole takeover. --Dan (talk) 17:06, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Besides mama, I saw the 1st episode of the drama, wherein Isabella Bishop was calling her wangbi jeonha. Is that term correct?

Oh, by the way, is there any news about those photos? I know that Gojong, Sunjong, and her father-in-law are confirmed, no? What about her? Any news?

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 21:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

For the proper styles, probably Christopher Buyers is the place to check - I don't know if 'wangbi jeonha' is correct or not, but it sounds like a sort of inoffensive term for a foreigner to use (although wouldn't you or I address Queen Beatrice or Elizabeth as 'your majesty'?) There's no way to confirm the German photo of Myoungsung because no other confirmed photos of her are known to exist, unlike the other three people. Although to my mind, the fact that she's sitting in the same spot where Daewongun was sitting to be photographed is strongly indicative that the photo's actually her." --Dan (talk) 17:37, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

As I said before, I can't access the Christopher Buyers site anymore, I don't know why...

As for the wangbi jeonha, that didn't come from me, that came from one of the uploaded vids (link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOhzVjj42JI) in YouTube which shows the first part of episode 1 of the 2001-2002 KBS drama "Empress Myeongseong", wherein the Empress is in close conversation with Isabella Bishop (one of 2 women whom the Empress is close, other is Lilias Underwood, her physician). Listen how Isabella calls her wangbi jeonha...

You have a point in the set's photo, but just how many Korean women (at the time of the photo) wears the eoyeo meori (the circular gache we all see worn by Queens)? Didn't Jeongjo ban them (giving rise to the cheopji and binyeo)? Oh, I remember Sunjeong Hyo-hwanghu's wedding photo; she's wearing the eoyeo meori too, silly me...

(signed by Heran et Sang'gres...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.50.153.2 (talk) 02:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

There, I've accessed the site, and yes, Isabella Bishop has every right, even for a foreigner, to call her wangbi jeonha. Says so in the "Royal Ark"...

"The consort of the sovereign: (family name) (given name-rarely available) (personal honorific) Wangbi Jeonha, i.e. "Her Majesty, the Queen"

~Signed by Heran et Sang'gres... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.107.89.99 (talk) 03:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Relationship with Queen Inhyeon

By the way, I said in the Sukjong page (through the "See also") that Empress Myeongseong is Queen Inhyeon's great-great-grand niece. Can you verify? Here is what I see (from travelling through the Korean wiki...)

Min Jin-hu (Inhyeon's brother; she's an only daughter (in Filipino, unica hija, "only daughter")) > ??? > Min Gi-hyeon > Min Chi-rok > Myeongseong (thru her father's second wife; yes, I was surprised that Min Chi-rok had 2 wives...).

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I have no knowledge of that - not surprising about the two wives; that was fairly standard for aristocratic families even fairly recently - my wife's father's father had four wives, and her mother's father had two. Does the Korean wiki list a source for the assertion, like the Min clan registry? --Dan (talk) 17:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, since I wanted information on Queen Inhyeon's family (being the curious one that I am?), I traversed through the Min pages in Korean wiki...(To answer, no, the Korean wiki has no link whatsoever of the clan registry, but in each Min page in the wiki is a section of the article which lists the parents, children, spouse, and other relatives...)

Here is what I think I gathered...

(siblings in no particular order)

(surname ommitted)

• Gwang-hun father to 3: Jeong-jung, Gi-jung, & Yoo-jung
• Yoo-jung married to Lady Song, father to 5: Jin-jang, Jin-yeong, Jin-hu, Jin-won, & Inhyeon Wanghu

(after here is somewhat confusing...)

• Gi-hyeon (somewhat related to Jin-hu) father to Chi-rok
• Chi-rok married to (2nd wife) Lady (Kamgodang) Lee: Myeongseong Hwanghu

(gonna research again at a later time...)

BTW, what does jobu mean? grandfather?

(comment signed by Heran et Sang'gres, who is too lazy to log in...)

Ok, interesting - not altogether surprising given the small size of the Min clan, though. For Christopher Buyers' site, which has moved, by the way,

http://www.royalark.net/index.html

maybe the computer or internet hookup you usually use doesn't allow access for whatever reason - try going out through a different machine; I don't know. And regarding jobu - jo typically means something like junior or beginning. So an assistant professor is a jokyosoo, a first degree black belt is a jodan. Bu of course is the character for father. So without checking with my wife for verification, I'm going to bet that jobu means father's younger brother. I may have a name for you to look up on that Korean Min wiki later. --Dan (talk) 21:56, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

checking with wives is always educational - jobu means grandfather, because the jo character here means ancestor. Learned something new. Heran, when you have a moment, see if the Korean wiki pages show Min Yongsik - would've been born before 1885, probably around 1875. --Dan (talk) 04:33, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I took a look myself for Min Yongsik - couldn't find him, but at least found his generation, with everybody's name ending in 'Sik'. He was unusual in that he was the first male in 4 generations who didn't have to be adopted into the line in order to keep it going. --Dan (talk) 15:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, who is Min Yong-sik? Oh, I want to ask, since you've mentioned (in one of your comments regarding the "requested move" of Empress Myeongseong) that your wife descended from Mihn Yoo-gwan (is it correct??), I just want to ask, of all the Min's I've seen in Wiki, why is his surname spelled different? (signed by Heran et Sang'gres...) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.97.240.238 (talk) 21:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Heran - I requested a move of the Mihn Yoo-Gwan page to Min Yoo-Gwan - not sure how that happens, I'll watch and see. To satisfy your curiosity, Min Yong-sik is my wife's mother's father. He was the first natural born in his line for four generations (not adopted). --Dan (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Dan, I found a site of the Yeoheung Mins! Here!!!Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 07:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I figured out Inhyeon's relationship with Myeongseong, after spending dizzying minutes reading the relationship chart in Myeongseong's page in the aforementioned site. (My God, it's so dizzying determining whose father is this and that, since some of them got adopted...)

Here goes:

• Gwang-hun father to 3: Si-jung (or Gi-jung), Jeong-jung, & Yoo-jung
• Yoo-jung father to 5: Jin-hu, Jin-won, Jin-yeong, Inhyeon Wanghu, & Jin-jang
• Jin-hu father to Ik-soo
• Ik-soo father to Baek-bun
• Baek-bun father to Gi-hyeon
• Gi-hyeon father to Chi-rok
• Chi-rok father to 2: Seung-ho (adopted; real father Chi-gu) & Myeongseong Hwanghu

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 03:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, if you're interested, here's Mihn Yong-hwan's relationship (if the hangul is Min Yeong-hwan)

(fast-forward to Jin-yeong)

• Jin-yeong father to 2: Nak-soo & Gak-soo
• Nak-soo father to Baek-sul
• Baek-sul father to Dan-hyeon
• Dan-hyeon father to Chi-gu
• Chi-gu father to 4: Tae-ho II (yes, I got confused to him, too; Tae-ho I belongs to Jin-won's side), Yeoheung Budaebuin (aka the Daewongun's wife), Seung-ho (real), & Gyeom-ho
• Tae-ho II father to Yeong-hwan (adopted: real father is Gyeom-ho; Tae-ho II is his uncle)

(Gyeom-ho father to 2: Yeong-hwan (real) & Yeong-chan)

Heran et Sang'gres (talk) 03:52, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

RE: Ham Seok-heon page

I didn't mark it as minor; check the edit history. It did, however, appear to be a major copyvio, which is how I described it in my edit summary. I even left a note on the article talk page. I'm a little bemused by your comment. PC78 (talk) 00:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Min Yeong-hwan

Hi, since it was a non-controversial move in accordance with policy I just went ahead and did it. (If memory serves, only us those of us with The Mop are permitted to move over a redirect with history; rather silly and un-wikilike, but there you go). Best, -- Visviva (talk) 11:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

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The photo is of low quality because of the time period and place it was taken. Do not delete it.

I'm not sure why you're doing this, but it's not helpful.

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Your proposed replacement is the same photo, and the resolution is no better. Do not delete the photo

I'm not sure why you're doing this but it's not helpful

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Will you please stop trying to replace that image. The proposed replacement is the same image, and does not look any better. I see no point in what you're trying to do, and it's annoying. Snow (talk) 00:17, 26 November 2022 (UTC)