User talk:Qcne/Archives/2024/June

Jason Pine entry

Hi, I've made significant improvements to the page Draft:Jason Pine, rewriting the article in a neutral tone and including proper references. Thank you for checking it again. Best. Artistic Research (talk) 19:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Artisticresearch. You were doing so well up until the Key Works section, where it goes back to reading like the Publisher's advert for the book. Please re-write.

We also need citations for his Art installations and Teaching.

What is your connection to Jason Pine, professional or personal?

Let me know if you have any questions. Qcne (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks - I will update.

personal connection - we are from the same circles. Artistic Research (talk) 02:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Since people can find his "key works" online, I deleted the whole section and I added proper references to "Art installations and Teaching" - I hope this works now - thank you for your diligence. Best. AR Artistic Research (talk) 14:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Artisticresearch, a lot better. Do you have any sources which are secondary to Jason and discuss him? Perhaps reviews of his work in journals, even interviews? Qcne (talk) 12:18, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi - I added references and links - I am hoping that the entry is good to go now. Best. Artistic Research (talk) 15:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Joseph Sheppard page revision

Hi Qcne,

My last draft was rejected due to a lack of proper sources, which I believe I have fixed. I noticed that this time it was rejected due to sounding like an 'advertisement'. I re-read everything a few times and I noticed that there were a few words here and there that could sound like singing this persons praises or speaking highly of them, but overall I don't fully understand what parts of it need to be fixed, and in what way.

I would appreciate clarification here; thank you in advance!

-Gavin Gavinjoaquinolivas (talk) 18:59, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Gavinjoaquinolivas. Articles on Wikipedia must be written from a strictly neutral point of view and should make no assertations unless directly quoting from a reliable source.

To highlight some of the problematic text from your draft...

- "acclaimed" - by who?

- "renowned" - by who?

- "profound mastery in figurative art" - says who?

- "His career has significantly impacted both the artistic and educational realms" - says who?

- "journey"

- "reflecting his deep connection with the international art community"

- "His teachings and philosophy have profoundly influenced generations of artists" Qcne (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

A head's up

Hello, Qcne,

Claggy was just globally blocked as a sockpuppet of JRM2018 and I just took care of some of the drafts and articles they created. I noticed that you accepted a few of their drafts and moved them into main space. I'm hoping if you see a new account writing similar articles on martial artists or people who have been arrested in Iran, you could report them to SPI. Thanks for keeping an eye out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Oh, dang. Thanks Liz. Qcne (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Reply

No one is asking for this post .it's our responsibility that people should be aware of units of Indian army and feel proud,after knowing the glory and bravery of soldiers of the unit. Peakconquerors (talk) 19:36, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

@Peakconquerors Someone is asking you to post this, because over the last 48 hours you and about 70 other users have written poor quality articles about Indian regiments. So, again, who is ordering you to create these articles? Your commanding officers? Qcne (talk) 19:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft Rejection

Hi Qcne,

My article on Mt. Airy Elementary School was rejected under notability guidelines. I was just wondering if you could elaborate on your judgement on the topic's notability. SteventotheStevens (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure thing, @SteventotheStevens. Specifically WP:NSCHOOL shows that for schools to be notable they require significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Every source you have other than the Baltimore Sun is primary. Qcne (talk) 20:05, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I re-applied for submission and added an additional two secondary sources. SteventotheStevens (talk) 20:57, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The sources you added are mostly database-style entries. We'd need to see analysis, discussion, news articles, etc. Qcne (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Fishsicles/sandbox

Hi Qcne, the draft User:Fishsicles/sandbox has been made made redundant by the publishing of the Sodium tetrapropylborate article and I want you to blank the entire sandbox and remove all the contents and corruption in it and make it an article and give it to Fishsicles. 120.56.100.15 (talk) 04:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

...I already had control of the sandbox? It was an old draft of what eventually became that article, I'm not sure why it needed another user's involvement to blank it? If it needed to be cleaned up urgently (which is strange to me - isn't it in my userspace? shouldn't it not be indexed?), it would suffice to leave a message on my own talk page. Fishsicles (talk) 11:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fishsicles 120.56.107.103 published it twice to the AfC queue, which is why it was declined. I wonder if that was done maliciously as the IP is now blocked. Qcne (talk) 11:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Strange. I hadn't thought that users could submit from other users' sandboxes, let alone multiple times. My understanding is that the sandbox isn't indexed by anything, either, so I'm not sure what brought them to it to begin with...

Well, hopefully it's all taken care of. Apologies for... whatever it was that got them to bother you about my sandbox? I'm still confused as to why this needed multiple people... Fishsicles (talk) 12:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

You can technically submit any page by just adding the right code. I wonder if this is a sock of the blocked IP, similar range. I'll make a SPI report. Qcne (talk) 12:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Qcne and Fishsicles, the disruptive IPs belong to the WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Vishal Kandassamy family. It specializes in chemistry and Hindu gods. Favonian (talk) 15:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

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Draft: Invenio Origin

Hello, post your comment/rejection, I made changes to the draft and resubmitted the same day - it has so far not had any further notes with regards to being approved/rejected. Hence this message. I understand the workload is heavy, but thought I will reach out and check anyway.

Based on your comment, I was able to find citations other than Times of India for all but one of the mentions on my draft - a TV series that they have produced (MasterChef India - Telugu). The wiki page of the TV series itself also lists Invenio Origin as one of the production companies, however, I was not able to pin down which source the page mentions that the mention found approval there - however, I also did notice that the wiki page of this series has quite a few citations from Times of India for other points that have been mentioned.

The only article that explicitly mentions Invenio Origin as one of the producers of the show is on Times of India. There are a couple others that makes a generalised mention and I'm not sure how those websites rank at Wikipedia in terms of credibility, hence I refrained from citing them.

Would you suggest I remove the mention of this TV series for this particular language, or is one mention of TOI out of 13 overall citations acceptable?

Thanks a bunch! SouthBlrBoy (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey @SouthBlrBoy. Had a look at the sources and the majority are brief mentions so don't provide WP:SIGCOV of the company.

It might be easier if you show me three sources that all meet the following criteria:

1. From reliable newspapers/magazines (not random blogs or IMDb)
2. Are independent of the company (not press releases or pure interviews with the CEO)
3. Provide significant coverage (not fleeting mentions)
4. Gives some kind of analysis, commentary, discussion, comparison, etc. Something other than just "This company exists."

The ottplay.com source is okay: it is mostly derived from an interview with the CEO but does provide some independent commentary. A couple more sources like that would work.

Getting these sources first would allow us to establish the notability of the company.

Hope that helps! Qcne (talk) 14:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Just trying to make sure I know which problem I have to solve - You're saying you'd like to see more sources that meet your mentioned criteria for Invenio Origin overall, or for the specific citation issue I mentioned above? If I am understanding you correctly, you mean Invenio Origin isn't notable yet unless I can cite at least three sources that agree with your mentioned criteria? SouthBlrBoy (talk) 16:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The latter, yeah. We need to see significant coverage of the company which is independent of what the CEO says. Two or three sources like that should do it. Qcne (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks. I shall revert on this soon and reach out in case I need any guidance. SouthBlrBoy (talk) 06:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I noticed that Paramvah Studios has a citation of its own website (the very first citation). I wanted to cross check with you if such citation is acceptable, because Invenio Origin does have a decent website stating who they are and the work they do. SouthBlrBoy (talk) 07:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, hoping I could trouble you for a bit of guidance on the above? Looking forward to your reply. Thanks!! SouthBlrBoy (talk) 13:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SouthBlrBoy, sorry. I missed that message.

Primary sources are permitted if they are sourcing straightforward facts, so for example it would be fine to cite the company's own website for its number of employees or founding date.

What primary sources don't do is establish notability, because it's just the company talking about itself.

Hope that helps, but let me know if you have any more questions! Qcne (talk) 14:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qcne,

I've added a couple of citations and made minor changes. Could you please check and advise?

One issue I seem to face is that I'm not finding articles directly and only talking about the company itself (other than few in Times of India which you mentioned cannot be cited), but at the same time, projects they are part of have all made news. Almost all of the articles I find online speaks of them via their work. Is there a way to still establish that Invenio Origin is notable, because from what I know, they are part of significant mainstream work in the Kannada film industry over the last few years and are among much sought after production companies. It's like I know they are notable, but I am wondering how it can be proven. SouthBlrBoy (talk) 12:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding to the above point, this Wikipedia article says 'When evaluating the notability of organizations or products, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education.', and Invenio Origin is a production house that certainly has had significant effects in the field of entertainment, based on the content they have helped produce/co produce. SouthBlrBoy (talk) 13:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey @SouthBlrBoy. We would need to see proof of this significant effect in the field of entertainment, for example an independent reliable source that clearly states this in some form of discussion/review/critical analysis piece.

Your new sources you've added are okay, I think it just about squeaks over the lines, I have accepted. You can add some WP:CATEGORIES. Qcne (talk) 08:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a bunch @Qcne! This makes it my first wiki article. Grateful to your guidance and support, it's been good learning. I shall add the categories soon. This discussion maybe removed/archived now, I suppose? SouthBlrBoy (talk) 13:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

It will be shortly, but feel free to post new topics on my page any time :) Qcne (talk) 14:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Declined Draft

Hello - I recently submitted a Draft for a page on Austrian Chef Sebastian Frank, that was rejected by you. Could you please let me know the details necessary to fix the draft for re-submission?

Thanks, Ben Benlovesfood (talk) 10:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Benlovesfood.

Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, as defined by our special definition of notability (see WP:NPERSON). Your draft had a few problems:

1. There were no in-line citations at all, which is a hard requirement for biographies. We need to see every single statement cited this way. See WP:BLPRS. A tutorial for making these citations is available at WP:INTREFVE.
2. A lot of the draft seemed to be original research (stuff like the description of his vegetable dishes). We prohibit original research: any information in an article should just be a summary of a reliable source which states that information. So unless a, for example, well-known culinary reviewer has spoken about his ingredients you should remove it. Even if a culinary reviewer has described his ingredients, it should be quoted and cited and not written in the Wikipedia-voice like you have done here.
3. Finally, back to that notability criteria. We need to see multiple published sources that are independent of Sebastian that are reliable and ideally secondary to establish that notability.

Hope, that helps, but let me know if you have any more questions. Qcne (talk) 10:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft page for review

Hi @Qcne, you kindly offered to have a look at this draft once I'd rewritten it (it's the page for Kernow Asset Management, an asset management firm).

I've had a careful look through the pages you and another user suggested, and made sure to re-write using only statements that can be backed up by independent sources. Here's the finished draft - if you could have a look over it and let me know if you think this is OK I'd be very grateful:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hcdmdigital/sandbox

Thank you! Hcdmdigital (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Hcdmdigital.

I'll go through your sources one by one:

1. Single reference to KAM, so not significant coverage.
2. Duplicate of above.
3. My concern with this is the independence of the bit in this journal - it's full-on praise for KAM and reads more like a PR piece. It might work, I am 50/50.
4. Duplicate of above.
5. Single reference to KAM, so not significant coverage.
6. Duplicate of above.
7. Duplicate of the Hedge Fund Journal PDF.
8. Duplicate of above.
9. Mostly an interview with Alyx, but I think this is okay as a source. Not sure about it's independence as I mentioned earlier, but I am hedging towards it being okay to use.
10. This is routine business coverage / regurgitated press release (lots of "According to Wood" and "Wood said"). I'm not seeing much independent analysis here.

Hope that helps, but I don't think you're quite there yet. Qcne (talk) 14:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qcne, thanks very much for having a look, really appreciate it. We have some other sources, podcasts and conference appearances, would those be worth including to show evidence of more coverage? What would you suggest - is it worth going ahead with the sources you think are 50/50, or should we wait longer until there's been more significant independent coverage?

Thanks again for taking the time. Hcdmdigital (talk) 12:01, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Hcdmdigital. Podcasts - depends on what the podcast is? If it's an interview with the founder or staff, then not independent. If it's a well regarded finance podcast (I'm thinking, NPR Planet Money) which discusses the business, then that could be okay. Conference appearances wouldn't prove notability. Qcne (talk) 12:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Qcne - yes just interviews, so sounds like not worth including. In that case do you think it's worth going ahead as some of the sources are okay to use or is there just not enough independent analysis? Just to add in reply to your notes on the individual sources - the ones that are just single references (such as NBIM) were included more to back up the facts I was stating in the article. Again thanks! Hcdmdigital (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Currently? not enough independent analysis unfortunately. Qcne (talk) 18:24, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

help

hello, why my article declined. what type of source issue it has? Zastarbaba (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Zastarbaba. You only have two sources, both primary (they link to Google itself). We need significant coverage in secondary sources. Qcne (talk) 09:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft Rejection

Hi @Qcne, I’ve rewritten the page Restaurant Chef Pillai as per your and another user’s suggestions. Here’s the finished draft—could you please review it and let me know if it looks okay?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Restaurant_Chef_Pillai Wiki.afrinleonad (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Wiki.afrinleonad.

It still isn't great. "each offering unique dining experiences and innovative menus" "emphasizing fresh, locally sourced ingredients and traditional cooking methods" < this is just marketing-speak.

I am not sure if the restaurant is even notable, most of the sources are interviews Qcne (talk) 11:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft Rejection - Encrypta

in reference to Draft:Encrypta

hey, i am very new to wiki, and that too for writing article in wikipedia. i have been observing this organization for months now, and really wanted to write this article. could you help me with suggestions on what to include and what to omit? KingMaker69 (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KingMaker69. Sorry if my comments in the help desk were unduly harsh- we get hundreds of spammers a month.

To be blunt though, your draft was basically an advert for the organisation. Wikipedia has zero interest in promoting companies, in fact that is prohibited and could get your account blocked.

Instead an article should only paraphrase or summarise what reliable, independent, secondary sources state about a subject. That means:

- not press releases;

- not interviews with the founder/employees;

- not paid promo articles;

- not from the companies own website.

Take a read of WP:NORG to understand in more detail what we require. And let me know if you have further questions. Qcne (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)