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editThank you for that clarification, Toddst1 and my apologies that, in the interests of brevity, I was not as clear as I should have been that my posts are personal and in no way partisan or promotional. I chose the user name, quite frankly, because it would be easy for me to remember! I will almost certainly be making posts unrelated to provincial politics, but my first goal is to ensure that all former provincial members of Parliament have a wikipedia article to "fill in the blanks" and to assist anyone doing research on the Ontario government. If you still think there is an issue, please let me know how best to solve it!
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- Sounds good to me. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 00:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Copyvio at Murray Andrew Gaunt
editI've just done some work on your recently-created Murray Andrew Gaunt article. Unfortunately, much of the article consisted of several paragraphs taken verbatim, or with only minor modifications, from the Goderich Signal Star obit. That, I'm afraid, is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy, and probably of copyright law as well.
Could I suggest that you review WP:COPYVIO before you write additional articles? I haven't looked at your other bios of Canadian MPPs, but if they were constructed similarly, then they need to be edited to eliminate the copyright violations. Thanks. Ammodramus (talk) 13:59, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, Ammodramus
editMy apologies if I hadn't taken sufficient care to protect the copyright and to ensure that the content reflects my own knowledge of the subject. I've just re-read the wiki policy and I'll be more diligent in the future! P.S. I've added the citation you suggested n was missing in the Murray Gaunt article.
Thanks for the feedback - much appreciated.
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Hi Oafp, I just wanted to let you know that you may have mixed up different MPPs when you created this article. The infobox listed White as being the MPP for London South from 1959-1975, which according to his MPP history webpage is correct, but the text you wrote in the opening paragraph stated that "He served in the Legislative Assembly of Ontario from 1963 until 1967 as the Member of Provincial Parliament for the riding of Wentworth and then from 1971 to 1975 as the Member of Provincial Parliament for the riding of Wentworth North." These are clearly two different people in the same article. This is no big deal, because I fixed the article by adding the correct info to opening and the rest appears to be correct, but I wanted to let you know, just in case you didn't see the fixes in article. I've also gone through a number you created and fixed the wikilinks so they directed to the correct articles, but good work getting these MPP articles created. Cmr08 (talk) 03:19, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
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editThanks for the article. Good job! Just be careful about articles with no references. However I added one for you. Meishern (talk) 20:45, 6 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Stub had no references and marked for deletion. I looked it up and found one reference from Legislative Assembly of Ontario. Looks ok to me since real politician.
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John White articles and duplicate infobox
editHi Oafp, I'm not exactly sure what should be done here, but I just noticed that the article you created John White (Canadian politician) is for someone who already had an article as John White (Ontario politician). I would say the new one should probably be redirected to the article that already existed but I could be wrong. I just don't think the same person should have two separate articles. Obviously, you didn't know the article already existed, and I only caught this after you added an infobox to the original. Also, could you take a look at the Gordon Howlett Dean article because the infobox you added has the wrong riding information. The info you added was the riding info for John White. I would have just fixed it myself, but I was not sure on the successors and was hoping you had that info. Thanks Cmr08 (talk) 18:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- I would say the link you seen in that election article was John Howard White, which as you can see here is red-linked, giving the impression there was no article for him. I seem to recall seeing that red-link myself, but I didn't think anything of it until now. It just wasn't disambiguated correctly by other editors. The best thing to do before creating an article is just search the name and see if anything comes up. As for the (Ontario) or (Canadian) politician in article title, I have no idea why the existing article was (Ontario politician) rather than (Canadian politician) but there must have been a reason, so I wouldn't suggest changing that without first taking it to the talk page to get consensus from other editors. I'm going to check and see if there are other links out there that read John Howard White and disambiguate them so there no longer red. Cmr08 (talk) 01:31, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I didn't notice you had already fixed this until after I left the message. Cmr08 (talk) 01:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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editHi, I just wanted to thank you for your recent work on filling in some of the gaps that still exist in our coverage of Ontario MPPs. I'm going to also give you a little bit more information about Wikipedia's processes — nothing massive, of course, just some little tidbits to help you out going forward:
- You are absolutely correct in going ahead despite some of them getting rejected by AFC, as our notability rules for politicians do indeed specify that a past or present member of a provincial or territorial legislature is notable enough for an article; there is no further criterion that has to be met to distinguish notable MPPs from non-notable ones. However, it is still advisable to include references to reliable sources, such as coverage in newspapers or books, whenever possible — it's not necessary to dig out tons of coverage, of course, but whenever possible try to find and list at least a couple of sources besides their profile at ontla.on.ca. I'm pretty sure, given your current role, that you have access to some kind of resource (online or library news databases, microfilms, media clippings services, etc.) that would help you to locate some useful sources, but if you don't there are other Wikipedians who do — so you might also want to join in at WP:CWNB, our project for coordinating Canadian coverage, and WP:CANTALK, our discussion board where for example you could post requests for sourcing assistance if you need it.
- I've corrected it, but at Frederick Arthur Burr only one of the two offices you listed in his infobox was actually displaying on the finished article — the way the template actually works is that while it's okay to just use plain "office", "term_start", "term_end", "predecessor" and "successor" fields if there's only one office to list, if there are multiple ones you need to number each one ("office1", "office2", "office3", etc.) so that they don't interfere with each other.
- Also just so you know, our actual naming convention on Wikipedia is whenever possible to use the name by which a person is most commonly known to the general public, rather than necessarily their full first, middle and last names, and then disambiguate them as "(politician)", "(Canadian politician)" if there was another politician of the same name in another country, or "(Ontario politician)" if there was another politician of the same name in another Canadian province. The full name can be a redirect to the actual title, certainly, but the actual title should be Jim Jessiman rather than James Hugh Jessiman, Charles McIlveen (Ontario politician) (there was another one in NB) instead of Charles Elmer McIlveen, etc. Sometimes you won't be able to find adequate sources to determine which name a person actually used in their day-to-day life, and in those cases it's okay to use the full name — generally speaking, the further away from 2013 and the closer to 1867 you get, the harder it's going to be to confirm — but if you know for sure that an MPP was generally known as Jim instead of James Hugh, then you should use "Jim" as the article title (although the body text should still mention "James Hugh".) This is also why you might occasionally find a redlink for a person about whom we actually do already have an article at a different title; because the lists of members by session were compiled as a datadump from the government website, they mostly contain the full names and editors may occasionally have overlooked the fact that an article already existed at a different title.
- Now that you're creating articles in mainspace instead of AFC, it's important to also ensure that you're adding categories to articles. For instance, I've added the following categories to Frederick Arthur Burr: Category:1911 births, Category:2006 deaths, Category:Ontario New Democratic Party MPPs, Category:People from Windsor, Ontario. Of course, each person will have a different set of categories (different years of life, different party, different hometown, etc.), but each article should at least contain the appropriate analogues to those four categories (with Category:Living people in place of a death year category if they're still alive.) Because of the distinctive role of women in politics, when you write up a woman MPP she should also be added to Category:Women MPPs in Ontario. Finally, the DEFAULTSORT tag should always contain a sortkey in the format "Lastname, Firstname".
- Finally, watch out for where you're linking when referring to what riding a person represented. Depending on whether other things with the same name exist or not, an article about a riding might be at "Name", "Name (electoral district)", "Name (provincial electoral district)" or even "Name (Ontario provincial electoral district)", so you should take a minute or two to confirm where the article about the riding is actually located so that you're not accidentally linking to a city, a federal riding or a riding in Prince Edward Island instead of the riding the person actually represented at Queen's Park.
Hope all of that helps. If you have any other questions, please do feel free to contact me on my talk page and I'd be happy to help out however I can. Thanks again; while I've certainly written up a fair number of Ontario's past MPPs, as an administrator on here I have a lot of things to do that distract me from being able to concentrate exclusively on filling in all of the remaining gaps, so it's great to have somebody around who's got the expertise and the willingness to work on that. Bearcat (talk) 15:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Also, incidentally, the members by session lists should certainly include a person's year of death in the notes column if they died in office during that particular session — but the fact that Peter Kormos died last week isn't particularly relevant to 36th Legislative Assembly of Ontario since that session ended in 1999. The lists should only contain death dates for people (e.g. Margery Ward, Osie Villeneuve, Dalton McGuinty, Sr.) who died in office during that particular session, resulting in a seat vacancy and/or a by-election during that particular session — otherwise, it's not relevant to the session itself, and a reader who wants or needs that information should get it by clicking through to the MPP's article instead. What would actually be a more helpful use of the notes column is adding notations like cabinet positions, speaker or deputy speaker, party leader, etc. (although, again, only where they held the position during that particular session.) Bearcat (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
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Where, exactly, does Orangemike get off blocking not only my user name, but my IP address, as well?? Outrageously excessive, particularly since he didn't have the courtesy to even question the user name (nor take not of the previous discussion about it) before taking this heavy-handed and oppressive action. I would be pleased to change my user name and I would appeal to whoever has better manners and more common sense to unblock my IP address so that I can continue to make contributions to Wikipedia and improve the database relating to former Members of Provincial Parliament, in Ontario, as well as on other topics. Thank you.06:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)Oafp (talk)
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editFor what it's worth, the thing is that there isn't any other political jurisdiction (province, state, country, etc.) where that information is provided on a legislature's historic membership lists on Wikipedia. I can see your point in principle about wanting to make it easier for users than clicking through to each individual article would be, but in practice it would make Ontario unique in being the only place where comprehensive death information is provided in that particular context — and I'm not sure I can see why it would be more valuable here than elsewhere. It could potentially be proposed for discussion at WT:PLT if you wish, but there's no real value in going ahead with it as a uniquely Ontario-specific thing if other states and provinces and countries aren't also doing it. Bearcat (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
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