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Ourselves Alone

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Ourselves Alone is historically important in Ulster/Ireland and is one of early that Brian Desmond Hurst directed. There was no wikipedia entry on the movie and in creating a short overview of the movie the above website entry was accurate and useful and an extract would have served the entry well. Notwithstanding this an alternative brief summary has been presented to serve as a starting point. (Quartertoten (talk) 09:31, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

Brian Desmond Hurst

Please explain your disapproval of my more coventional citation format and why "Producer William MacQuitty produced a film" is better than "Producer William MacQuitty created a film"? Philip Cross (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Oversight on my part as I liked your additions and have restored these together with an additional comment on TY's early link on BDH movies (this latter comment seems to fit in the section about mentoring) (Quartertoten (talk) 09:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC))

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Original research

Please stop edit warring to insert your own personal opinions in Brian Desmond Hurst. If you want to describe someone's career, you must quote a reliable source, such as a professional film critic or scholar. You can't post your own analysis of someone's work. On Wikipedia, we call this original research, and it is forbidden. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

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The information is properly referenced and important to the context. Unfortunately some users feel able to just delete sections without comment (and then edit war in the hope their deletion prevails)and this approach without logic or explanation could be considered a form of vandalism but I understand what you are seeking to say. Hopefully referenced and important context can be allowed to remain and random deletions without comment or with poorly cited reasons or opinion will reduce and thanks to all editors who support this approachQuartertoten (talk) 13:56, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

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The information is properly referenced and important to the context. Unfortunately some users feel able to just delete sections without comment (and then edit war in the hope their deletion prevails)and this approach without logic or explanation could be considered a form of vandalism. The issue has been highlighted in the talk section of this page and i would urge deleters to talk and not just deletete and use informed comment to correct any matters that they believe are factually incorrect. I stand over all of the facts in the stated section which must remain and random recurring deletions without comment or with poor opinion will reduce.Quartertoten (talk) 16:18, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

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Thank you for this alert and the point made and my response is detailed below:Quartertoten (talk) 10:29, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Quartertoten has been edit warring on these articles for a little while now. After he got blocked for breaking 3RR, he slowed down enough that he's only making at most two reverts per day. This is still disruptive. There's been discussion on one of the talk pages, and a few of us have expressed opposition to what we see as original research. Quartertoten doesn't see things that way and has accused us of vandalism. He's been warned before about calling other editors vandals. I'd like an uninvolved admin to look this over and decide if another block is necessary. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:33, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Very disappointing to find this entry about myself. I have been editing pages for 10 years and have never encountered this sort approach that some users employ to supress information that is important context on an entry. Unfortunately a small number of users over a number months have suddenly entered the pages referred to above and deleted a large section opinionated commentary and/or vague assertions. Some users were more helpful and in response the section in question has been rechecked and is factually correct. Furthermore some additional source material has been added by me in the hope that this recurring deletion will stop and I repeatedly urge users to contribute, with precision, any factual errors (which I will review and correct, if appropriate)to the talk pages and allow the section to be developed. The conduct of some users is very sad to see and Hurst deserves better. The point about vandalism is interesting but poorly positioned above as I have not called any user a vandal (so the point above is incorrect) however I have suggested that the act of deleting a large section on a wiki page without any substantive comment or without first using the talk pages (as I repeatedly urge) is effectively vandalism as it goes against the spirit of wiki. I too would like to involve an admin as the section is relevant, factual, sourced and vital to the context of the life of Hurst and should remain and evolve via discussion on the talk pages and the recurring deletion should stop. I am prepared to devote whatever time and hours is necessary to evolve this section using factually correct information to ensure that the entry on Hurst is correct. Thank you to any users who take the time to read this positioning and attempt to rebalance the previous point above.Quartertoten (talk) 10:26, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

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Since the last block, you have persistently continued to try to edit war in the content against consensus. This is not acceptable. What you should be doing is discussing on the talk page, and you should consider dropping the stick and backing slowly away from the horse carcass. When this block expires, if you continue to repeatedly reinsert the content - without garnering a consensus for your changes - you will likely be blocked indefinitely. However, if you agree to stop reinserting the content - or anything similar to it - you may be unblocked (although if the behaviour reoccurs then you will be reblocked). Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:48, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Galobtter If you review the talk pages you will see the use of the talk pages and that I 'talk' and how the relevant section was significantly edited down and developed. Two users took exception and resorted to emotional language; belittling attempts and then trying to get others to just delete a whole section on this page- I think you regular users have a word for this sort of tactic- is it 'hounding'?. One of these editors had particular recurring warnings and bans for disruptive editing on their talk pages and then, suddenly, another editor appeared who had only joined wiki a few days ago joined in. I really would have preferred if you had reviewed the talk pages first. Finally, who requested you to invoke please- I'd be most interested.Many thanksQuartertoten (talk) 18:57, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Let me clarify: I can see that you are discussing the issue on the talk page, but just because you are doing that doesn't mean you should be persistently edit warring against numerous users on the article. I don't precisely understand your last sentence, but: I have Hurst's page on my watchlist and noticed you had continued the edit warring today. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Galobtter Well there you go i suppose i see how this works. Two users - one with particularly bad editing history pick on this page and hound an editor who is bringing an important part of Hurst's life and filmography into better focus. It can drop i suppose and overall the page is cleaner and has less opinion. For now there is a positive and I've learnt about 'hounding'.If you get a chance to have a look at the two hounds talk pages- they will be easy to spot- both make entertaining reading (if that's the right phrase- I just pity the other editors they've focused on) all interesting reading. Good luck with what you do.Quartertoten (talk) 19:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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