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First Grammatical Treatise

I don't directly know about it, but people on the article talk page have said that "Fyrsta málfræðiritgerðin" is Icelandic, not particularly Old Norse. The name "first grammatical treatise" did not arise until after the Old Norse period, in any case... AnonMoos (talk) 07:44, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Seems you're right. I'll undo my edit. --Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 09:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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Requesting revert on Kári Stefánsson page edits

Hi Qwerty, I was just seeing your changes last month to Kári Stefánsson's page, in which you have changed all mentions of him from 'Stefansson' to 'Kari,' and changed the little text on Icelandic use of patronymics at the top. I wanted to ask you to revert those changes, as he - and just about everyone here - is referred to by his given name in Icelandic, but not in English and outside of Iceland. As this is the English/international page, it now reads strangely and overly casual. I do understand the desire, which works locally and in Icelandic, but it's not standard usage in English.

I can revert it as well but I would rather convince you to do it!

Thanks and all best regards,

Lehmansson (talk) 12:07, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

It is in line with English Wikipedia policies to refer to Icelandic people with their given names, not patronymics, as you can see in the template I added in the beginning, as well as in MOS:PATRONYMIC or literally any other article of an Icelandic person. Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 12:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

If you want to improve the article, you can try to make it sound a bit more neutral and more in line with WP:NPOV; its current tone, to me at least, is quite praising of him, which it should not be. Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 12:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I see that you are correct per that Wiki template, but contend that in the English-language context, outside of Iceland, this is simply incorrect in terms of usage and so ends of sounding overfamiliar and weird. The main reason being that he is well known in his field, and is referred to almost always as Stefansson or in interviews as Dr Stefansson. I can assure you that nearly everyone reading this will have come from seeing his name mentioned in an article or scientific paper where he will have been referred to by his patronmyic, so will think calling him by his give name is odd. Maybe cute and Icelandic, but odd.

On the tone, I am interested in his work and impact on the field, which have been substantial and widely judged so, as the sources show. Praise isn't the point, and I don't think he needs any more of that!

Have a think on my argument here. For me, usage wins over rules every time, however good the rules are as general guides. In this case the rule is rock solid IN Iceland, but very questionable out in the big world, which is what the English Wikipedia is all about. There aren't many Icelanders of moden times who are very well known abroad, even in particular fields, but they do seem to be known by their patronymics unless they have an unusual given one they use as a brand - a la Bjork. Halldór Laxness is never called just Halldór. The artist Olafur Elíasson is never Olafur, except in his Wikipedia entry, which again reads strangely for that reason. The same goes for Eiður Smári, who, whether he liked it or not, was referred to in the British and football press around the world as Gudjohnsen, even though the Brazilian and Portuguese precedents should have let him be called by his given names.

This is an interesting question, so I´m looking forward to hearing your further thoughts.

Cheers,

Lehmansson (talk) 18:38, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

None of this changes the fact that Wikipedia policy is to use the given name instead of the patronymic or last name, even when that is not usually the case in other English-speaking media. If you don't like it, you can take it up at the relevat MOS talk page. I'd say the sentence

Icelandic people with patronymics (which is most of them) may be referred to by their given name or their given name and patronymic, but not by their patronymic alone.

sums it up quite well, without any leeway given to how the person might be commonly referred to in other English-speaking contexts.

For me, usage wins over rules every time, however good the rules are as general guides.

For you, maybe, but in Wikipedia, there is a set of guidelines decided by the community, and I see no point in starting a rebellion to deviate from those. As I said, you can always suggest a change and if you get a consensus behind you, the guidelines will be changed. If you are advocating for using patronymics for Icelandic people all over the English Wikipedia, this is the wrong place to have that discussion. Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 19:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Phonemic vs. diaphonemic

Thank you for your reversion at Yorkshire, but the explanation you gave there and at User talk:2A01:4B00:87FF:9B00:B1CB:14F3:69AF:AD5A isn't quite right. Help:IPA/English and {{IPAc-en}} use a diaphonemic, not phonemic, notation. Accents can have different sets of phonemes, and a phonemic transcription of a non-rhotic accent's pronunciation of word-final or preconsonantal /ər/ would still be /ə/, just as /kɑːt/ could be a phonemic transcription of cot, caught or cart depending on accent. We have a handy explanation/shortcut at WP:DIAPHONEMIC. Just thought it might help you to keep this in mind. Nardog (talk) 12:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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See MOS:FULLNAME. --Qwerty12302 (talk | contributions) 13:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

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