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Secondary sources for Commissioned warships of the RCN

Just a heads up, look up Ken Macpherson and RCN. He has a ton of books your looking for. Llammakey (talk) 13:28, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks!! Some very important secondary sources had tiny print runs that are hard to find. I'll check him out. Robert Brukner (talk) 23:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Syrian Refugees and Greece

Hi Robert, It's hard to tell the number of refugees and the number of Syrian refugees now currently in Greece. I know there are Syrian people who moved and live in Greece since 2010. UNHCR (Daily_Arrival_Greece_27022016.pdf) gives an estimate of ~2,500 daily arrivals (average) in Greece during the last seven days. BBC gives more than 9,000 arrivals every day. Now, since the borders are virtually closed, there are several thousands temporarily staying at reception centres, sports stadiums, train stations, while others, anywhere they can find: Guest rooms, houses of friends and relatives. The last days it seems that only Syrian people can get through the border to Central Europe, a maximum of 500 a day. If 2,500 arrive and 500 depart for Central Europe, meaning ~60,000 new arrivals each month, there is going to be a big problem. --Odysses (☏) 21:40, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the information and updates. I'm trying to keep the data fresh to the end of every month. But without official stats its impossible for some countries. Maybe Eurostat will update its numbers shortly. I worry for Greece :-( Robert Brukner (talk) 22:03, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

RCN A-class reviews

Hi Robert, I hope that you're not discouraged by the reviews I just posted. I think that both articles are useful as is and can be developed to A-class status, but a fair amount of work is needed to get them there. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 22:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

@Nick-D: Nope. Thanks. Can't get there without advice and help from others!! Robert Brukner (talk) 02:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Enjoyed reading new list of Battle Ships in WWII

I enjoyed reading the new list of the Battle Ships in WWII that you created. I know that it was a lot of work. Good job! Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:03, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

@Garagepunk66: Thank you. I really appreciate hearing that from you. It means a lot, to me. Robert Brukner (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

A page you started (List of ship classes of the Second World War) has been reviewed!

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@Garagepunk66: Thanks again! Its nice to get your positive feedback. Robert Brukner (talk) 05:47, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Robert Brukner. I suggest redirecting or soft redirecting the talk pages of the lists included here to Talk:List of ships of the Second World War to keep any discussion centralized. — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:35, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

@JJMC89: Thank you! Brilliant suggestion. Robert Brukner (talk) 17:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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@Diannaa: Will do. thanks for the heads up. Robert Brukner (talk) 21:37, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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@Graeme Bartlett: Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Robert Brukner (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Category move

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Hello, Thank You !! Robert Brukner (talk) 17:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	For excellent work on those floaty things with guns, for instance creating List of coastal defence ships of the Second World War. Carry on! Herostratus (talk) 07:52, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@Herostratus: Well, I am flattered sir! Thank you very much. Beers on me next time you're in Toronto! Robert Brukner (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Recently added "See also sections" to ship class articles

I've just noticed that you've started adding List of ships of the Second World War and List of ship classes of the Second World War to some of the relevant ship class articles in a "See also" section. I believe that those lists are generally to broad to be of much use to readers, and that the list of ships in not relevant to class articles in any way, but you should be aware that I've started a discussion on the subject at WT:SHIPS#See also sections with very broad lists of ships that you might want to contribute to.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

@Sturmvogel 66: Hey, no problem. Just delete it if it doesn't fit. But tell me where it is, and why, so I can avoid the error in future. Thanks!! Robert Brukner (talk) 20:50, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

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Category:Auxiliary net laying ship classes has been nominated for discussion

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@Andy Dingley: Hi! How are you? Lets coordinate. The category Category:Auxiliary gateship classes is connected to the very structured Category:Auxiliary ship classes, and via that category linked to numerous other categories of auxiliary classes. Why don't we just use the one? So please go ahead and delete Category:Auxiliary net laying ship classes, and might as well consider also deleting Category: net laying ship classes Robert Brukner (talk) 17:18, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

"List of..." category

Hi Robert. You created Category:List of ships of the Royal Canadian Navy which is a rather odd name for a category. The edit summary hints that the category name is the result of a discussion somewhere. Could you elaborate and/or move (e.g. via WP:CFD) the category to a more appropriate title? DexDor ^(talk) 21:12, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

@DexDor: Hi, Old news, changes encouraged during class reviews, mistakes, misunderstandings. Personally I would like to change it to "Ships of the Royal Canadian Navy". Time is my enemy. Is there a way to change the name and automatically change the links across wikipedia? Perhaps just a simple redirect? Feel free to jump in! Robert Brukner (talk) 21:21, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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UK Casualties

Per French The figure of 385,000 UK Army casualties includes wounded. The table lists only dead.Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 20:02, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

My bad. Correcting now. Robert Brukner (talk) 20:09, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

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re Brits in WWII

Everything's fine. We've got a bunch of good new material Military history of the British Commonwealth in the Second World War, and thank you. It's not going to be tossed out (although some parts of it may be edited out in the course of merging). It's a good article and you're doing fine and thank you. Nobody thinks its bad work, its all about process and people being protective of their work.

As to the Commonwealth/Empire thing: speaking for myself, I think "Commonwealth" is probably better. But 1) it doesn't matter what I think or you think but what the community agrees on, and 2) I'm willing to be convinced the other way. For the project one has to go into these discussions with an open mind, when and to the extent possible (sometimes it's not). But let's leave that discussion for later. I believe that if we lay it out correctly and argue effectively that either "Commonwealth" or "Commonwealth and Empire" will win the day. But if not, not, and it doesn't matter all that much since we have redirects to take people to the correct articles.

But anyway there's no hurry in these things. Work on some other stuff or whatever while this other stuff plays out.

Our long-range goal here is to have the best possible articles and the happiest editor corps. Both of those require compromise and seeing some of your work overwritten by others. I suspect that, like me, you prefer to research a subject in solitude and create a finished product. And the Wikipedia is more like sitting around a table while everyone shouts about what the article should include and some scribble right over your notes.

It's maddening sometimes. A while back I had an article, which I created with skill and care and effort, deleted on (IMO) insufficient grounds. I'm still mad about that. But I have to shake it off.

It'll work out. The main thing is not to worry if stuff takes a few weeks to work out, I guess. Herostratus (talk) 17:32, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I truly appreciate your input. I'm not patient with summary judgements and executions. But I figured that turning to cooler heads and older hands for advice and input into the process would be appropriate. I will take your advice and move on to other articles for a while. BTW- I am only about 30% done on the article. Most of what I have done is more of a sketch, then the final product. Thanks for your time Robert Brukner (talk) 19:14, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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		For creating/improving the articles Fleet of the Royal Canadian Navy, List of Royal Canadian Navy ships of the First World War, List of Royal Canadian Navy ships of the Second World War, List of Royal Canadian Navy ships of the Cold War to -class list articles in the scope of Wikiproject Military History. Thank you for your contributions and continue your efforts to improve them to FL-status. Regards, KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 13:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: Thank you. I appreciate this very much. Robert Brukner (talk) 23:43, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Recent edits

The lead para of the anzac article says it was disbanded in 1916, yet https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Australian_and_New_Zealand_Army_Corps&curid=964382&diff=731383028&oldid=731299122 - not sure what is happening there, would appreciate you have a closer look. Thanks JarrahTree 01:40, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. ANZAC was briefly reformed in 1941 in Greece. Its mentioned in the article in the section about World War II. I've slightly adjusted the intro accordingly. Robert Brukner (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Note the comments at Nick D are partially part of a much larger argument about how things like the british empire gets out of hand and becomes a nightmare. You are probably wrong in the general sense of things, but how you conduct yourself, and how people also conduct themselves is where and how wikipedia sometimes grows well and sometimes get very very messy.

Consensus as to the general makeup of things is a process many new editors who are so sure they are right about a particular point come a very nasty fall sometimes. Just because a group of countries collaborate does not give them an appelation like empire - the very nature of WP:RS and the necessity of giving adequate proof of what the collaboration entails does not re-create the british empire out of the air. I also hold nothing but commiseration towards your approach, the wikipedian experience can be a good or bad one depending on the topics and 'fights' you choose. I personally want nothing further on this issue as I am not satisfied that there is the magic grail that specifies when the degrees of involvement (and separation) between australia and britain and the 'empire'. If it is exists, that is what you should look for, not personal affect responses to relate to fellow editors. Best of luck enjoy your experience here, but after your response at Nicks, and mine here, that is enough for me. Ta for the experience. JarrahTree 01:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

@JarrahTree: I disagree with the use of Empire in the context. I am picking and choosing my battles. At the moment, editors that are pushing down on a more nuanced perspective are ascendant. Regardless of what Wikipedians choose to call the British Empire and Commonwealth during the Second World War, it remains true that the Dominions played an integral role in, and made great sacrifices, in defence of themselves, their own colonies, other Dominions and their colonies, Britain and its colonies, and the entire Imperial system. Constitutional legalities are one thing. De facto command and control, integration of arms (not just collaboration), shared command, delegated command, the sterling area, etc... are elements of one very large complex story that Wikipedia does not address. Ignoring it does not resolve it. But at the moment I am not prepared to challenge the many editors (mostly from the US) who push back on the story. Robert Brukner (talk) 01:26, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

In general you may be right that Wikipedia does not address this well, but there are exceptions : take a look at Hawkeye7's South West Pacific Area (command), which gets into the intricacies of commanding allies in war. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

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Just in case no-one thinks of it, thank you for your recent efforts to improve the categories on so many of the articles I've worked on. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 09:33, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

No one thought of it!  :) So thank you very much!! I figure its long over due and will help build a stronger network of linked material about these subjects. Robert Brukner (talk) 20:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

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@Le Deluge:Thank you !!! I did not know about this. I appreciate your direction. Robert Brukner (talk) 01:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Military units in Burma in WW II

Hi Robert, a long time ago when I was a new user, someone had to point out the way categories worked to me (check if you like, archive 1 of my talk archives, about sub-categories). Now there's some concern about the way you've been creating categories for military units in countries in World War II, shared by me, I should add. Please come and join the discussion at WT:MILHIST. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Military history categories

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A cheeseburger for you!

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@TomStar81: Thank you for your recognition, its is very much appreciated. Robert Brukner (talk) 00:07, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

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I would like your input in a discussion

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I would appreciate it if you could give your input regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_naval_ship_classes_in_service#Split_this_article_into_multiple_articles Thanks in advance Dragnadh (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Could you please explain...

Why did you add CCGS_Alexander_Henry to Category:Canadian Government Ship? CGS is a code used for ships that predates HMCS and CCGS. Geo Swan (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

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Which title best defines the SCOPE for the American Revolutionary War?
discussion summarized by TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 09:13, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

A. "American Revolutionary War”

B. "War of the American Revolution"

continuity - used at this WP article and sister articles for 19 years - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America - participants British & US Congress with respective allies, auxiliaries & combatants - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US: independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland Banks - fish & cure - results - US independence & republic; Britain the biggest US trade partner & finances US expanding business & Treasury - reliable scholarly reference Britannica for the general reader - prominent adherents - all 15 history Pulitzer winner scholars on the topic

modern update - uses 'vast majority of sources' found in a browser search - scope - British-American insurrection in continental North America, spread to Anglo-Bourbon (Fr.&Sp.) War-across worldwide empires, Fourth Anglo-Dutch War-North Atlantic, Second Mysore War-Indian subcontinent & Ocean - participants British & US Congress, France, Spain, Dutch Republic, Kingdom of Mysore - war aims -- Brit: maintain First British Empire with mercantile system -- US independence, British evacuation, territory to Mississippi-navigation, Newfoundland Banks - fish & cure -- Bourbons: Gibraltar, Jamaica, Majorca, expand Gambia trade, expand India trade -- Dutch - free trade with North America & Caribbean -- Mysore wider east-Indian sub-continent sphere of influenced results - Second British Empire, Spanish Majorca, French Gambia, further decline of Dutch Republic - reliable scholarly reference [world military dictionary] for the military specialist - prominent adherents - Michael Clodfelter, more to follow

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