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Pechyorsk

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Moved to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Russia#Pechersk_or_Pechyorsk to get wider discussion on my potential fuck up for which I should be tarred and feathered.

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Hello. Recently, you have changed Pechersk to Pechyorsk in 2010 Polish Air Force Tu-154 crash. However, the Russian article was moved back from Печёрск to Печерск, and redirect from Печёрск was deleted. Are you sure that Печёрск is the correct name? And should it be transcribed as Pechyorsk and not Pechersk? --Filemon (talk) 13:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Filemon, what can I say but shit, you got me there. I saw it written as Pechyorsk on Russian english-language media, so I assumed that it would be Печёрск. But if ru:wiki has moved it to Печерск, and deleted Печёрск, then there is something wrong. I will bring someone else in on this question for their input. In the meantime, I have moved the article to Pechersk (selo), Smolensky District, Smolensk Oblast - if it is wrong we can always move it back; if it is right, it saves us looking like idiots for making up place names - oops, my bad, blame me. We should get this sorted pretty soon I think. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 05:21, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

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Norwegian templatetranslation

Hi there, I think this should cover it.

Denne filen kommer fra nettsiden til presidenten for den Russiske Føderasjon, og er å regne som kopibeskyttet. 
Filen er lisensiert under Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported. Dette vil si at du kan redistribuere og endre 
den opprinnelige filen, så lenge du refererer til www.kremlin.ru som innehaver av rettighetene knyttet til filen.

--Bjelleklang - talk 13:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey Man

Russavia- I finished that template--it looks exactly the same as on Commons--I had to make another template for Template:Cc-by-3.0, because the one on 'Pedia only covered images. I created another one called Template:CC-by-3.0-Works, so it would cover everything, not just images, and used the same source coding as the CC-by-3.0 on Commons. If you want, instead of replacing Template:Kremlin.ru with Template:Kremlin.ru/sandbox, I could make it so where it would only appear on certain ones, a "test" of the template.

-Donatrip (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

BTW-I also e-mailed this to you

AfD nomination of Mass killings under Communist regimes

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Lulz from you-know-who

Mr. Putin never ceases to amaze the audience - if you haven't read today's Kommersant, here's the link. LMAO.

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=1356925&NodesID=4

Disclaimer: contains graphic depiction of dead fish and live government. NVO (talk) 06:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been able to access Kommersant from my internet connection for the last 3 weeks; something has gone amiss and it pissing me off. Can you possibly send the lulz to me via email if possible? Cheers, --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 06:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Pix

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  UK
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  UK
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  Sri Lanka
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  Lebanon
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  Denmark
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  South Osetia
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  Aus Amb home
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  Aus Amb home
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  Aus Amb home
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  Nigeria
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  Back of Belgium (yellow)
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  Kenya
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  Bahrain in background
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  Myanmar
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  Venezuela

NVO (talk) 03:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Requested picture Holy Virgin Protection Cathedral Brunswick East, Melbourne

File:Holy Virgin Protection Cathedral Brunswick East.jpg I was in the area earlier today --Melburnian (talk) 08:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

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Consulate-General of Russia in Narva and Tartu

Good day!

I live in Narva and can help you, but not very quikli. And I can make foto in Tartu (May-June). Geonarva (talk) 13:17, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of List of Heroes of the Russian Federation (S)

I have nominated List of Heroes of the Russian Federation (S), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Heroes of the Russian Federation (S). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. tedder (talk) 16:40, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

2008 South Ossetia War title

I would like to know your opinion concerning a proposal I made, which I think represents a decent compromise.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Russian Embassy in Brussels

This is the best photo of the Russian Embassy I could take from the street, as the grounds have a lot of trees. Will this suffice?Kurzon (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Kurzon, that photo will be fine for the purposes of what we need it for at the moment. Thanks for that. If you are able to help with any of the others listed at User:Russavia/Required_photos#.C2.A0Belgium I would be appreciative too. Cheers, --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 01:42, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Russavia, I translated the template to Arabic here [1] --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 12:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Russian Centre of Culture and Science

As bland a facade as I've ever seen.Kurzon (talk) 13:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Shit, you are right about that. Disgraceful. At least this is a nicer building, and I hope it is notable enough for me to write an article on. Thanks for your help with the photos. Cheers, --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 13:57, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

sorry Russavia i dont know where you can gey this photos, but I can ask some wikipedians to search for you --Mohamed Ouda (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Airbase

Smolensk Airbase has recently been moved from "Smolensk (air base)". The latter is the way most other articles about the airbases are titled. Neither variant is close to what the airbase is really called. Interested in sorting it out?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 14, 2010; 13:16 (UTC)

Guvnahs

Hey, couldn't help but notice the lists you've been working on, such as this one. Lemme know if you could use the texts of the laws to add intros and to source these—I know you've been dying for more work with those "cite Russian law" templates! Ain't them a joy? :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 14, 2010; 13:36 (UTC)

Living in style

Enjoy,NVO (talk) 15:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks NVO, mucho appreciado. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 02:01, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

And now for something completely different. I've been there this weekend. The pinkie riverside building still flies Aussie flag, wallabies and a tiny bronze plate. Derozhinskaya House seems deserted, no flags, no roos, not a single budochnik. Go figure. Too many cars around to make sensible pics. NVO (talk) 04:09, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Druk Air

Druk Air is currently a GA nomination. You might be interested in any further developments to it and helping it be promoted. We had two recent Bhutan GA sucesses. It would be nice to add this to it. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 19:09, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you not think that maybe the article needs some information about its services as suggested by the GA reviewer? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:40, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Services on Druk Air are basic - information such as baggage allowances and the like are not very encyclopaedic...they are pretty much standard from airline to airline...and WP:NOTTRAVEL would come into play as well. Druk Air is one of those airlines which there is not too much to be said about their inflight services - they are a functional airline with a specific purpose, they don't have FFP, etc, etc. If you guys can give me a couple of days, I will get more info from my Zotero archives and add to the article - just so there are minimal edit conflicts, and I will also start the tedious process of externally archiving the references. Is that ok? --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 10:56, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, just speak to us!! When you don't say a word I don't know what to think... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 15:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination)

Hi, Russavia. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (2nd nomination), you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:24, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Trade Representative of Russia to the EU

Are you sure the address you gave is correct? At 38 Avenue Louis Lepoutre, all I found was an unmarked house. I asked around and nobody knew of anything Russian on the street.Kurzon (talk) 11:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Kurzon, thanks for your photo of the mission to the EU...hopefully I can dig up some info on the building, as it is a nice looking building and hopefully will be notable enough for an article. In regards to the trade mission to the EU, I have done a check, and it appears that it no longer exists...it is likely now a section of the permanent mission, located in the mission. I have removed it from the desired list. There is still a trade rep in brussels, which is specifically to Belgium (and Luxembourg) - located at Dreve de Lorraine 45 1180 Bruxelles with photo here. Thanks again for all your help, it is appreciated. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 12:27, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Permanent Mission of Russia to the EU

Kurzon (talk) 11:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Consular Office of the Russian Embassy in Belgium

Trade Representative of Russia to Belgium

Flag of Bhutan GAN

After a 2nd opinion on the GAN, I've placed the GAN on hold pending improvements. Please see Talk:Flag of Bhutan/GA1 for details. Thank you, –MuZemike 15:40, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Dear Russavia,

I wish you happy Wiki-birtday.

Thank you, --Patriot8790 (talk) 10:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Dear Russavia,

I wish you happy Wiki-birthday.

Thank you, --Patriot8790 (talk) 10:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

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Flag of Bhutan

Hi. I really think this need at least 10 more sources to promote this.... 2 sources is rarely acceptable... Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Article titles

WP:RUS does not justify using patronymics where they are not part of the commonly used English name of the person involved. That article is about transliteration, not selection of what elements of a name are suitable for the article title. Kevin McE (talk) 19:24, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Again, I have misquoted WP:RUS. Please refer to User_talk:Russavia/Archive_16#Nina_Valentinovna_Anisimova for further information. I have reverted the changes. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 17:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, you shouldn't have. Your page moves are disputed, therefore you should make a formal request for the page moves, not merely repeat them. You have now twice justified the moves by what you admit is a misquotation, and now refer to a rather inconclusive discussion with three participants as if it established project wide consensus. This is not acceptable. You should return the articles to their previously established location, and set up proper requests for page moves. Kevin McE (talk) 17:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I would actually support Russavia's moves. His WP:RUS misquotation aside, the practice of disambiguating Russian people by patronymic (rather than by occupation) is firmly in place. Whether it is documented or not is immaterial—our guidelines are developed based on both discussion and established practices. If it is the practice itself you question (which seems to be the case), you are welcome to open an appropriate discussion (Village Pump is a good place to start), but don't just hand-pick a few random articles and insist that their titles should be different from 99% of the titles of similar articles. That's just not productive. To me (and, apparently, to Russavia), this practice makes perfect sense (some of the reasons are listed here), but there is nothing that couldn't benefit from a review by a broader audience.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 29, 2010; 19:03 (UTC)

Firstly, I have no idea why a third party is involving themselves in a discussion on a usertalk page. Secondly, there is no surprise that you agree with Russavia: you are the only person doing so on the userpage discussion that he claims as justification for these changes. And thirdly, a claim that something is an established practice when it has no record in policy, and is in direct contradiction to established policy, and seems to fail to distinguish between what is applicable to ru.wikipedia and en.wikipedia, is something that would need to be presented at Village Pump to gain acceptance, not something that needs VP comment to challenge. The reasons that you two share for not liking project-wide policy will no doubt make sense to the two of you, but the concept of consensus means that you will have to persuade other editors, in a wider forum than your own talk pages, of the wisdom of your preferences. Many editors disagree with some policy or other: that is not licence to flout it. Kevin McE (talk) 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Ezhiki is welcome to post on my talk page anytime that he pleases. He doesn't need your permission to do so. So would you like to rephrase your comments, before I wipe them completely from my talk page? --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 11:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

You might consider my edit note to have been discourteous to Ezhiki, although it is perfectly true that in posting on your talk page I was not seeking to speak to him. Apart from that possible lack of diplomacy in that (and editnotes cannot be rephrased) I cannot see what might need to be rephrased: I don't know why he involved himself, even if you do not object to it; he was the other person agreeing with you in the discussion that you cited; the practice of a small cohort does not over-rule a policy as fundamental as WP:COMMONNAME; and adoption of a specific policy for disambiguation of Russian names, not extension of the normal policy, would need to be raised at the Village Pump. Your page moves were carried out counter to established policy, your repeat of the move when it was challenged as controversial was reprehensible, and the failure of you or your colleague to discuss the principles, rather than claim some unestablished and unrecorded practice shows blatant disregard for the concept of consensus. I will return the pages to their previous names, and if you or Ezhiki move them contrary to the normal article naming policy for a third time, I shall raise the issue as vandalism on your part. Kevin McE (talk) 21:39, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

You may be able to talk to your primary school students like that, but it is just not on for Wikipedia. The reason Ezhiki has commented, and why I have welcomed him to comment, is that he is full bottle on what is what in this regards. WP:COMMONNAME is not relevant, so you have misquoted the policy. What we are talking about is how to disambig names - and it is long standing practice, regardless of you thinking it is unestablished, to disambiguated Russian names by way of patrynomic, and it is this which we are explaining to you, but you seem to be acting like a teacher who is refusing to listen to what his recalcitrant students are telling him. Now if you would like to discuss this, drop the f'ing attitude. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 06:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

If you use threats and order me to rephrase my comments, you should not be surprised if I defend my comments.

Commonname is relevant, because it is when two people share the same common name that disambiguation between them is necessary. The patronymic is used so rarely in English language media that one can confidently say that it is no part of the common name.

WP:Disambiguation makes no comment in terms of any different treatment of Russian names. While it is true that in the rapidly receding past middle names were sometimes used for disambiguation (e.g. Peter Taylor (footballer born 1953) was formerly at Peter John Taylor), this practice is not now considered normal or advisable: to Western users, the patronymic is no different from a given second name is this regard.

Consider how and why disambiguation is used. An English speaker who regularly reads the cycling press (me, for example) wishes to update Wikipedia with news of one of Katusha's top riders, but is aware, either from previous misdirects/redirects or through general knowledge, that this man is not the only Sergei Ivanov to reach the threshhold for having an article. It is far easier, and less likely to result in an error, for such an editor to disambiguate by what he knows about a person (he is a cyclist) than to research a name rarely presented in English sources, and type across unfamiliar letter combinations.

I can well imagine that the patronymic would be the suitable disambiguator in a Russian language encyclopaedia, but it is not part of normal English reference to an individual. Even for the best known Russian personalities and historical figures, very few native English speakers of any level of education will confidently know their patronymic.

While the moves you made might comply with the practice of a small cohort of editors, it cannot be used as the justification of a move unless it is established in policy. The relevant level of consensus cannot be established by a two to one margin on an unpublicised usertalk discussion. Commitment to consensus and policy is not demonstrated by repeatedly referring to a policy that has nothing to do with the practice. By all means raise the matter at WP:Disambiguation or WP:VP if you wish it to be formally accepted: until then, you cannot expect changes that you make on the basis of this practice to be uncontroversial, so you should use WP:RM. Kevin McE (talk) 08:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Kevin, I couldn't disagree more with your interpretation, nor do I see much coherent logic on your part. If "Sergei Yuryevich Ivanov", by your definition, cannot be a common name, surely "Sergei Ivanov (footballer born 1984)" can't be either? I can't fathom the English-language sources routinely referring to that person as "Sergei Ivanov (footballer born 1984)". To quote you, "it is not part of normal English reference to an individual" any more than a patronymic is. Same goes for other people listed on that page. So, "common name" is not the issue here; only disambiguation practices are.

Speaking of the disambiguation practices, a reader seeking an article about a person named "Sergei Ivanov" will type just that into the search box. Since the name is ambiguous, all we can do is to direct that reader to a disambig page; that's unavoidable. Now, disambig pages which list people are supposed to include the date of birth/death anyway, so what's the point of including that same information again into the article's title? I can't think of a worse disambiguator than "footballer born 1984", especially when something as useful as a patronymic is readily available. Perhaps not many people will directly search for "Sergei Yuryevich Ivanov", but I can bet all the buttons on the shirt I'm wearing now that the number of such people is going to be at least an order of magnitude larger than the number of people directly searching for a "footballer born 1984".

Please consider this argument on top of what I have already said in my very first comment, as well as what had been said in the Anisimova thread (you have read it in its entirety, right?). Also please do reconsider your attitude. Being pushy towards your opponents, blaming them for "cohorting", getting personal with them is neither polite, nor civil, nor makes your arguments any more convincing. If you have good arguments, both me and Russavia are perfectly capable of hearing them out without insults added on top.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 3, 2010; 13:59 (UTC)

Please identify where I have made any personal comments; making reference to my life outside Wikipedia is what Russavia did, and I have not done it to either of you. If you cannot identify any such action on my part, I expect you to withdraw your accusation and apologise. If you believe "cohort" to be an accusation (or a verb), I would refer you to a dictionary.

Disambiguation along the lines of "footballer born 1984" is precisely what would be recommended by WP:FOOTY if there are two footballers of the same name. That is the consensus of a major project within Wikipedia, and there is no reason for people of any particular nationality to be treated differently. If there were two Spanish footballers called José Sánchez, we would disambiguate them (assuming that they are both known by that name and not by a nickname, as many Spanish footballers with relatively common names are) as José Sánchez (footballer born 1972) and José Sánchez (footballer born 1985), not José Sánchez Rodríguez and José Sánchez Gómez. Spanish maternal surnames, like Russian patronymics, are not part of a common name in English sources, and not an easily identifiable way of ensuring that the correct Sergei Ivanov/José Sánchez is being referred to. While you may consider your preference to have a logic, this is the result of consensus.

I note that you totally ignore my argument from the point of view of the editor, who can more easily direct accurately to Sergei Ivanov (cyclist) than to Sergei Valeryevich Ivanov. Any reader using the search box will know that Sergei Ivanov (cyclist) refers to the cyclist; only a small proportion will recognise Sergei Valeryevich Ivanov as such. For those that go directly to the disambiguation page, there is sufficient info to be able to find whichever Sergei Ivanov they want, regardless of what article name is used.

I also note that there has been no response to my reference to the usual Wikipedia protocol, ignored by Russavia, that page moves that are controversial, and not supported by any clearly stated policy that enjoys the support of a clear consensus on a policy discussion page, should be made via WP:RM. Kevin McE (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

So in essence, you have moved Russian names, ignoring the way that WP:RUSSIA has disambigged those names for years, and are forcing upon those names what WP:FOOTY would do? That's a bit ingenious there I must say. How would WP:FOOTY like us to disambig 2 articles on Sergey Medvedev and both of whom are soldiers? Seeing as it is obviously their guidelines you are forcing upon us, including on articles outside of their scope, rather than any policy which you may have quoted, we need to know what to do in such situations. Excuse the sarcasm, but it is obvious why it is being said. And I can only agree with Ezhiki, footballer born 1984 is in no way part of WP:COMMONNAME, whereas the patrynomic is absolutely part of their common name. I really don't see what else there is to say because it has all been said. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 20:17, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

In the absence of specific instructions about Russian names at WP:Disambiguation, I am treating Russians in the same way as people of any other nationality are treated. I only mention WP:Footy because Ezhiki referred to one of the footballing examples. I believe you are failing to distinguish between common name and formal name, or at least between common name in an English language milieu and common name in a Russian language milieu. You have not addressed my responses about use of search box, knowledge of editors as to which name to use, or the use of WP:RM. Kevin McE (talk) 22:29, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

• I know Kevin McE will highly disapprove incursion by yet another rooskie (duck and cover!), but he should have known better coming here ... Yours truly, too, does not support use of patronymics in article title. They are an eyesore. Few people transliterate them correctly and those who do cannot agree on proper procedure (most English sources completely omit patronymics so wikipedians have to invent something on their own. Granted, first names are a mess too, but at least here we can rely on English sources). Patronymics have no value in article title apart from disambiguation purposes, but bracketed (footballers) just do it better. NVO (talk) 07:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

  Glad we have cleared that the issue here is not whether to include the patronymics in the articles' titles—in general they are not supposed to be included—but rather whether it's better to disambiguate by a patronymic when an ambiguity exists. Neither "Sergey Yuryevich" nor "footballer born in 1984", when included into a title, will produce anything near a common name. However, "Yuryevich" is at least a part of the "name" (and one which, unlike middle names in English, is used far more often in real life), while "footballer born in 1984" is just an artificial contraption (which, Kevin, we are yet to see documented anywhere—a link would be appreciated; or is it just "the way things have been done" by WP:FOOTY similar to the way things had been done by WP:RUSSIA?). If one is to follow the spirit of WP:COMMONNAME (which had been invoked in vain here way more times than necessary), a patronymic is clearly a better choice.

  Regarding Kevin's search box inquiry, perhaps "footballer born in 1984" is a helpful hint to someone who played Football Manager for hours on end; for me, I wouldn't even be 100% sure if "footballer" refers to an American football player, or some soccer star, or perhaps even to some Russian Irish immigrant! A full patronymic might not be of much more help for folks like me either, but there's always a good chance that a person being sought was listed somewhere with a middle initial, in which case having a patronymic does help a great deal. That goes especially for the bios of non-sports people. There's just no perfect solution, which is why the WikiProjects go with what makes sense within that particular WikiProject.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 4, 2010; 13:46 (UTC)

Kremlin template translation

Hi, Russavia, I translated the template but since I'm still not an expert in templates I'd prefer to show it you first. Please check and revert if it is correct and sufficient for template creation. see below

{{Kremlin.ru/layout |text=''Тя файлсь сявфоль '''[[:ru:Рузмасторонь Пряфтсь|Рузмасторонь Пряфтонц]]''' лопастонза ди макссеви '''[[:ru:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]]''' лицензиеть коряс. '''[http://www.creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ Attribution 3.0] (CC-BY)'''. Тондейть ули кода тя файлть макссемс, сонь полафнемонза ди эрь кодама тевс нолдамонза аньцек '''фалу эряви мяляфнемс эди сёрмадомс тя сявфоль [http://www.kremlin.ru/ www.kremlin.ru] лопаста'''. Тага ватт: [[:File:Kremlin authorisation-Russian.pdf|Рузмасторонь Пряфтть Администрациенц кемокстама сёрманц цифрань копияц]]. |lang=ru }}<noinclude> {{translated tag|license}} </noinclude> NOTE:Please do not use this template directly! This is just for translation. ШАРФТТ МЯЛЬЦЕ:Видеста тят нолда тевс тя шаблонць! Тя аньцек ётафтоманди.

--Numulunj pilgae 08:48, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, thank you very much for that. I have added the Moksha template at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Kremlin.ru/mdf. Perfect, and thanks again for that. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 08:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

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Big toys are addictive

They did it again. Right above my head. Twice. Mated at 300 meters, just squeezing between low clouds and the smokestacks (they are still vibrating). Could you please tell your Kremlin buddies to find a better place for their pinewood derby? Why not Yemva, a perfect place for these shows. They can have the smokestacks too. NVO (talk) 07:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Man oh man, what I would give to be in Moscow right now. I am absolutely disappointed in you; all this going on, and you have to use a photo from one of my mates to display? Can I ask exactly why you are not walking around with your camera 24/7 at the moment? As to your suggestion, I will raise it in the next barnstorming session which will be totally devoted to YOUR whacky ideas :) --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 07:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

But I have had the extreme privilege of hearing the Tu-95 in action in person, and I can say that I absolutely adore the sound of those engines. The whining of the Il-76 I am not too fond of, although I do love hearing them in Perth - it is unique...but man, nothing beats the sound of those massive NK-12s. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 07:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Curiously, some 30+ years ago I lived on a dacha just outside Domodedovo airport and saw Tu-114 climbing every day... they used the same engines, right? they didn't sound distinctively different from other turboprops (a loaded An-12 was just as bad, and not much worse than jets). NVO (talk) 07:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep, it is same aircraft, same engines. Having grown up in a country where noise abatement has usually been an issue, we are not attuned to such fantastic noises. But yeah, the An-12 is pretty bad, as is the smoke that normally piles at the back when its taking off and the like....it's crazy....but ya gotta love it eh. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 08:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of An-12s, have you seen this? Or do you think this guy has seen it, seeing as he is a fan of their tunes. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 08:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Can't see vids from this pc, but the guy wrote he prefers some antique contraption - [2]. NVO (talk) 09:50, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

PMSL, could you imagine Moscow becoming a cyclist-friendly city like Amsterdam? The militsiya would have to come up with new ways to extort that $20 from you. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 11:08, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Huh? today they rarely start trading below $5,000. Twenty? I want some of this weed too ... NVO (talk) 12:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't we all my dear stoner, don't we all? :) --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 12:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Google pulled down the vid before I saw it. Oh well, I watched David Tua instead. NVO (talk) 04:00, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

But I must say thank you for bringing this to my attention. It looks like 2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade is in need of some expansion, which I may have to throw together in userspace in time for DYK or ITN on 9 May. Wanna help with that? --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 12:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Today the '95 did, indeed, outroar the rest of the pack (they flew a somewhat different path, farther from my site). Curiously, the three Tu-160's were the least noisy. I didn't hear them creeping in while the others, even a solo Il-76, were heard well in advance. NVO (talk) 07:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Here's 3 photos my mate in Moscow took yesterday

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So, Mister Moscow, how did he managed to get these photos? --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 06:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

• First guess: Triumph Palace tower, looking north-east. NVO (talk) 07:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Everyone's a smart arse, aren't they? No wait, that's just you ;) --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 07:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for 2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade

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DYK for City of Military Glory

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ITN for 2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade

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		Awarded for managing to get the 2010 Moscow Victory Day Parade article on DYK and ITN in the same day! Surreal!! Mjroots (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

• Thanks Mjroots, I am just as surprised that it was put up for ITN. I know about the been on ITN no be on DYK rule. Didn't realise it doesn't apply the other way round. Cheers, --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 20:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

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Consulate-General of Sweden in Saint Petersburg (Malaya Konushennaya Street, 15)

See File:Consulate-General of Sweden in Saint Petersburg (Malaya Konushennaya Street, 15).jpg (cropped from exist photo; sorry for size). The date in the process of clarifying (before feb. 2009). --Kaganer (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Kazan

Hi! I've noticed my city in that list :) I can walk even today to make that photo but I'm not sure - do you want some photos of that office center or do you want me to find that embassy inside and make some photo there ? Rubin16 (talk) 08:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Rubin, thanks for the message. As I understand it, the Iranian consulate is located in an office building. Perhaps you are able to provide a photo of the actual consulate office, sort like the Russian consulate in Pusan photo they have on their website - http://www.pusan.mid.ru/img/ko.jpg. If that is possible, it would be great. Otherwise, whatever you can provide would be fantastic. You may notice I already have the File:Consulate-General of Turkey in Kazan.jpg - Turkish consulate in Kazan. Another photo I haven't yet asked for, but which may come in handy for the future is photos of KAPO in Kazan. I think this article should be expanded in the near future as well - such a shame that the Tupolev Tu-214 is no longer going to be produced in Kazan though :( --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 08:15, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to make some photos of Iranian consulate today (maybe some better photos of Turkish consulate - it's just in 50 meters from me :)). KAPO is further, I'll try to visit it in a couple of days. Rubin16 (talk) 08:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks mate, that would be great. But please, there is no rush, whenever you are able to is great. --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 11:14, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Please be careful with splits

hi there,

thank you for pointing that out, I was not aware the split templates are required to be put in. I suppose it makes sense, although I would never claim to have written articles myself when I split them from existing ones. About the Commons, yes you are right the consulate category could be added, although I didn't think it would be 100% correct since it is only about the building, but so be it. I'll take a look into your images request, I think it can be done. Gryffindor (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

In essence, what is being done is creating something similar to Canada House, Macdonald House (London) and High Commission of Canada to the United Kingdom. It can be a little messy to do it like that, we just need to ensure that details that are relevant are still present in articles - for example, the information on the Soviet purchasing the building in 1975, etc, etc should be present in the article of both the building and the consulate-general, as it is relevant to both. That's just one example. If you aren't too sure what should go in what, I will take a look at it in a couple of days and see what I come up with. Cheers, --Russavia ^{I'm chanting as we speak} 23:48, 17 May 2010 (UTC)