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Friesian Sporthorse and Friesian cross
editWelcome new editor FriesianSportH! Please let's discuss brainstorming ideas here, instead of an edit war. I will try to brainstorm ideas today for incorporating the new registry ideas in a neutral accurate way which combines your new contributions with the current articles. Fair enough? (I'd be talking to you on your own talk page, but you don't have one, hence my request to discuss here.) Salito (talk) 15:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Impulsion
editHi, I really must beg to differ on the question of impulsion. You cannot have collection without impulsion, rounding of the back, engagement of the hindquarters. Now maybe the judging specs you use are different from other places, and we may be using the same word to describe two different things, but I cannot imagine a piaffe without impulsion, and frankly, gaited horses, whose ambling gaits never have a suspension period, are absolutely required to have impulsion -- it's in their class specs for competition. We can play with semantics, but truly, impulsion is a feature of any gait. (or, at least, what do you call the opposite of doggy and strung-out? LOL!) Maybe the dressage world has a different way of describing forward movement with engagement of the hindquarters, but that is impulsion in my book. I'll toss in some more sources into the article and maybe the thing to do is explain the differences in meanings for the word in competitive dressage in some circles and the rest of the planet? (grin) Montanabw(talk) 04:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- Follow up to short reply on my talk page: I tried to get the USDF rulebook online but the web site is not real user-friendly. Thanks. Was amused to see an argument somewhere over the various ways of interpreting German and French terminology. Noticed a lot of old tests that say "impulsion" at the walk. Give it 10 years and there will be a new terminology fad, I'm sure. It won't be Impulsion, it will be "drive" or "suspension" or something. (grin) I did a Judge's school for another discipline a few years ago (and as a result decided to pass on getting the card! LOL!) and recall how they made a HUGE deal about how, if you have to give a horse the gate for moving oddly, a judge should never say a horse was "lame," but rather that it had a "gait deficit" and that we "recommend the veterinarian examine the horse." But oh no, don't disqualify a horse for "lameness!" What b-fricking-s. (Sorry to rant) Horse politics drive me insane some days.
BTW, I see you are relatively new to wiki. May I invite you to look at some other areas? You may want to check out WikiProject Equine (and sign up) you will note links to the articles flagged as the biggest disasters and such. We also have some articles for which we are justifiably proud (we are trying to get Thoroughbred to Featured Article quality at the moment). Also, you may want to say hello to User:Countercanter, the goddess of the Warmblood section. Starting with Dressage (which is a fairly thorough, but very disorganized article), Warmblood, Sport horse, Equestrian at the Summer Olympics, show jumping, English saddle and so on, we have a lot of spinoffs. (It gets as fussy as open stud book, studbook selection, closed stud book and breed registry! Oh yes, and we have bit (horse), bit ring, bit shank AND bit mouthpiece!) There are well over 1,000 articles on horse stuff in wikipedia (At the moment, I have 974 different pages on my watchlist, and that's because I cleaned out some! LOL). We also desperately need photos in some areas, if you have a digital camera and a willingness to drag stuff out of your tack room and take photos, or find horses who will let you take their picture in certain situations (Note all wikipedia images have to be free use, that's why we have such trouble with images--anything with a copyright is a no-go in most cases) . Anyway, much to play with. Feel free to touch bases with me any time if you have questions, as if I don't know the answer, I at least know who might! Montanabw(talk) 02:04, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the note! I'd love to have a peek at some of those articles. Salito (talk) 14:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
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Edit War
editPlease stop the edit war you are engaged in on the Friesian Sporthorse page. The article is currently at the place that it was before the edit war began - please leave it there until consensus is established. Discuss the changes you propose on the talk page of the article. You can be blocked for making 3 reverts or more, which you have. I received your message on my tak page. Honestly, I don't have any opinion one way or the other, but the current pace you two are going at will get you both blocked. I realize that you have been trying to start discussions - I left basically this same message on the other user's page. Dana boomer (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
- It looks like we've got the start of a discussion going on the article talk page. Perhaps you'd like to jump in there? Dana boomer (talk) 18:19, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you, I saw your note, and did just post a response on the talk page. Salito (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello?
editI am not sure that this will work. I am having all sorts of trouble getting to the talk pages. When I sign in and click on my talk page, it says the page does not exist and then it kicks me out of Wikipedia completely and I have to open a new firefox page to get back in. I finally found a link to your talk page that is appearing to work? We need to resolve this issue. We will not be content on the Friesian Crosses page, as that is not what we focus on. Your registry is no more a "breed" than anyone else's yet - takes generations to get there and weather you are selecting horses by breed (as you do) or by ability and type (as we do), eventually we could both breed something that is true to type. Until then...sorry...we are all crossbreed registries. You will notice that I did not remove your information - I simply changed it to reflect more than one opinion. We have discussed this at length with several attorneys (not on this issue, but in the past for other reasons) and NO ONE owns the term Sporthorse or Sport Horse. What makes it unique is the other combo of words you use to form your association's name. On Wikipedia, you can not make a page that reflects only your associations name, as that is not allowed = self promotion. So the various definitions of Sporthorse and Sport horse need to be laid out fairly on that page. You have no more "right" to the term sporthorse than any other registry. Currently the page is "opinion masquerading as fact" and is very nicely done, I might add (people reading it may be smoothly mis-led to believe that only your definition is accurate) - and it is obviously sourced to your registry page. But, it needs to be changed to reflect other uses of the term sporthorse as well - which can also be accurately supported. We agree with you that not ALL Friesian crosses should be called Sport Horses or Sporthorses, but the definition of such does vary within the industry standard of "sport type".
Wikipedia says, "If content is accurate, and supported by citations of reliable sources it can and should be included no matter who is upset or displease Wikipedia is not censored." The information that I posted was accurately supported. Your information is no more valid than ours. Please fix this promptly. -FriesianSportH
- Thank you for the note. I responded on the article talk page. Salito (talk) 19:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)