User talk:Sandstein/Archives/2020/March

Deleted Tupocracy Article

Hello @sandstein. I don't understand the reason behind the deletion of the article I started, 'Tupocracy' even after I have contested the deletion and offered reasons why it should be included in the English Wikipedia. In a Afd talk page I have given citations to the mention of Tupocracy and also worked on the article after it was on the mainspace.

Pls speak on this. Niftyrules™ 14:56, 1 March 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Niftyrules (talk • contribs)

Well, you should have commented in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tupocracy, not on that page's talk page. But even if you had contributed to the AfD, it would likely still have resulted in deletion, because your comment at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Tupocracy didn't address the reasons for the deletiuon request. Sandstein 15:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help for Draft:Franziska Meissner-Diemer

Hello, As i discussed in a thread on Teahouse, the article i was creating is Draft:Franziska Meissner-Diemer. I copied the english translation of the German article. I couldn't find any source for the article. Also, im not sure of the translation. Can you please help me with the draft ? Lightbluerain (talk) 17:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, what kind of help do you need? Sandstein 18:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Is the translation okay? And, also if you can provide me some sources for the article. I couldn't see any source in the German article as well, but you said in the Teahouse thread that the German article had cited 2 reliable sources. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, sorry, I do not currently have the time to do that. Sandstein 07:55, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Sandstein, do you know any other German Speaker who can help me in this article. Lightbluerain (talk) 11:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Lightbluerain, try here: Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. Sandstein 11:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Alright, thanks a lot. Lightbluerain (talk) 12:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

My comments were not on the final deletion page

Hi, I looked in vain for this and related comments and didn't find them on the deletion page. Were they even there when you reviewed the page for deletion? Is there a reason my comments were not on the final deletion page (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methodist churches in Leicester)?--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Epiphyllumlover, I don't know. You can look at the page history to find out who removed or added which text. Sandstein 18:38, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

They are on the page now, and I don't have any more questions.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:48, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

State of democracy

I was bold and redirected this proposed-deletion article to Democracy Index, of which it was a fork. Bearian (talk) 22:59, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Please take Full Protection off in order for a DRV to be held

Over at Falcon 9 booster B1019 you suggested that if I'm unhappy with the deletion discussion previously held, I should initiate a Deletion review. However you've also placed indefinite full protection on that page, preventing me from placing a DRV template on it... Ultimograph5 (talk) 18:21, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I thought you weren't interested in "wiki-bullcrap"? Too bad. You should start paying attention to it. Sandstein 18:37, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

So that's a no? My statement of WikiBullcrap bodes true then, if admins have decided to start using full protection to get the edge in petty disputes. Doesn't really matter anyway... Bye! Ultimograph5 (talk) 18:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Ultimograph5, sorry, I was too curt. Let's try again. Wikipedia works on the basis of consensus, and while consensus may change over time, we must respect it as long as it lasts. In this case, an AfD decided unanimously to redirect several articles into a list. You have, sometimes repeatedly, reverted these redirects, using derogatory language in the process, without any attempt at discussion that I can see, and without attempting to address the deficiencies identified in the AfD. This is disruptive editing, and if you keep it up I will block you from editing Wikipedia. You must respect the consensus established by other editors, even if you disagree with it, but you are free to try to change it. To do so properly, you should first create a draft of a version of such an article that remedies the problems identified in the AfD, and then establish positive consensus in a community discussion at least as well-attended as the AfD - either at WP:DRV or elsewhere - that this improved version of the article should be restored. But I will not unprotect the article as long as there is a risk of your disruptive editing continuing. As to myself, I have no opinion about whether these articles should exist or not, but as an administrator I have a strong opinion about respecting community consensus and being collegial towards other volunteers. Sandstein 19:14, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for clarifying your actions. I guess my main problem with the whole thing was that I created a few of the articles and was not notified when the AfD started (and therefore wasn't given a chance to say anything about it). I'll focus my future editing efforts on the list that the articles were redirected to. Ultimograph5 (talk) 19:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Ultimograph5, thank you. This is a sensible course of action. Sandstein 19:29, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I came here because I thought Ultimograph5 here was in the right, but I see the original nominator in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Falcon 9 booster B1019 actually intended to do a bundled nomination (despite never really following the process to do so). Even if I agree with the outcome, it kind of bothers me a bit that this never happened. It caught me off guard by a lot to see Falcon 9 booster B1049 (the only one of these articles in my watchlist) get fully protected to enforce an AFD I had no chance of ever seeing.
I don't know, but I guess it's too late now unless there's a delrev. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Would you be willing to reconsider lowering protection assuming Ultimograph5 agrees to not revert the redirect? I'd like to place the proper rcats on all the relevant redirects. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 21:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

MJL, OK, I've lifted the protection. Thank you for alerting me to the fact that the individual articles apart from B1019 were not individually tagged with the deletion notice. Consequently, the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Falcon 9 booster B1019 does not properly apply to them, and editors are free, insofar as I am concerned, to revert them to their article state. MadeYourReadThis, this also concerns you. Please make sure to properly tag any articles you nominate for AfD. If these other articles are restored from the redirects, please do not revert them, but you are free to nominate them again (properly) for deletion if you want. Sandstein 11:53, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Review deletion of Sagar Savaliya

Hi, Sandstein Sagar Savaliya should not be deleted. It follows every policy and guidelines of Wikipedia. After Sagar Savaliya nomination for deletion. I have improved this page significantly. Please check it. So I would request you to review your decision of deletion of Sagar Savaliya Ys91620 (talk) 12:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Ys91620, Sagar Savaliya was deleted per the discussion in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sagar Savaliya, and you do not address the reasons for deletion identified there. Sandstein 12:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I have addressed the concerns of JamesG5,Tayi Aajtakate, Coolabahapple in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sagar Savaliya. He has received significant coverage in reliable and independent sources therefore it follows WP:GNG. He has played significant role in Patidar reservation agitation and Vikas gando thayo chhe (Development has gone crazy) was his brainchild. There are huge coverage about him like his education, career in reliable and independent sources. He is also founder of popular Gujarati news Gujarat Khabar. Therefore it also follows WP:1P.So I would request you to review your decision of deletion Sagar Savaliya. It follows every policy and guidelines of Wikipedia Ys91620 (talk) 13:07, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Ys91620, No. The reason for deletion was lack of coverage in reliable sources. You do not name such sources here that were overlooked in the AfD. You just repeat what you wrote in the AfD. But consensus there was against you. There is no basis to call it into question here. Sandstein 14:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok Ys91620 (talk) 14:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Ralph Weber deletion review

I agree with your action. The most favorable explanation seems to be that the appellant is trolling. Discussing any alternative explanations would be casting aspersions. And trolls should be ignored. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Kyle Kulinski publication review

I understand that you supported the deletion of Kyle Kulinski article. I understand and appreciate the reasoning as well.

There has been a lot of good faith discussion about the notability and sourcing of this article. After the March 6, 2020 edits, in my opinion the article meets both criteria, with profile piece in Jacobin magazine, reference as a prominent liberal by CNN and an internet idol by The Washington Post. Sourcing now includes CNN, The Guardian, The Washington Post, Fox News, IMDB, Rolling Stone, Yahoo!, The Nation, Jacobin and Vice, as well as multiple published books from notable publishers - all of which are considered reliable sources. Further, the coverage is over a long period of time and broad in context.

Hence, I have submitted the article for publication review. Would greatly appreciate it if you could have a look.

Viktorpp (talk) 11:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Viktorpp, what "publication review", and where? Sandstein 11:17, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Referring to Draft:Kyle Kulinski Viktorpp (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, further to the aforementioned sourcing, I posit that the WP:ENT are less stringent than WP:N. There are 3 alternative criteria and Kulinski passes muster on all in my opinion: 1. "Has a large fan base or a significant cult following" - so the YouTube subscriptions (800k) or Twitter following (300k) should also not be dismissed as invalid when discussing notability. 2. "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." - As mentioned in Draft_talk:Kyle_Kulinski#WP:ENTERTAINER Kulinski has his own show, which is listed on IMDB, but also played a major role (primary guest) on episode of notable Joe Rogan Experience. Further, he has appeared multiple times as primary guest on notable Rising (news show) multiple times. 3. "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." - I would argue it is prolific that Secular Talk has had 1500+ episodes Viktorpp (talk) 11:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Viktorpp, Draft:Kyle Kulinski is currently subject to a deletion discussion which will decide whether it is kept or not. Such arguments should be made there. Sandstein 12:03, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I have also submitted the draft for publication. Could you offer any guidance as to whether there is discussion page for publication consideration discussions as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktorpp (talk • contribs) 12:06, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Viktorpp, I don't understand what you mean. I personally have no view about and no interest in either Kyle Kulinski or whether he is notable. Sandstein 12:09, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate you don't have a personal view on this, because that means you'll base any decision on evidence presented. While the draft is marked for deletion, it also had the possibility to submit draft for publication. After editing the draft to add proper sourcing, I clicked that button. So my understanding is that the draft is now in a review queue awaiting publication. This is the notice I see at the bottom of the draft page:

Apologies if I sound too dumb or a noob, but though I joined Wikipedia in 2010 and have edited a regional version occasionally, I am not familiar with exactly how the deletion and revival process works. Viktorpp (talk) 12:22, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Viktorpp, I see. As your screenshot shows, there are some 3,000 articles in the queue, and it will take about three months for somebody to review the draft. I'll not do that because, as I mentioned, I'm not interested in the topic. Sandstein 12:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Kerala State Television Awards

Hi, could you please move this to Draft:Kerala State Television Awards, so that I can work on it. It's a really notable award, directly organised by the Government of Kerala. 2409:4073:492:E577:1D38:21E7:E4CB:53F1 (talk) 13:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't undelete pages, but you can ask at WP:REFUND. Sandstein 13:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Closure of As'ad Madani at AfD

Small request as (it seems) you spend a fair degree of time at AfD: the AfD of As'ad Madani was closed by the nominator, but incorrectly in my view since the nominator is involved, and as such should have been recorded as a withdrawn nomination. I've requested the nominator revert and withdraw in the appropriate way. Would you mind keeping an eye on this – I did make a keep !vote during the AfD, so am involved, and prefer to avoid any wikidrama. Or if you think there is a more appropriate course of action, please and thank you.--Goldsztajn (talk) 09:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Goldsztajn, you're right, this should have been closed as withdrawn, and not by the nominator Authordom, but by somebody else. But since the outcome is the same, there's no need for further process in my view. Sandstein 09:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. My main concern is encouraging the editor to act appropriately; there's a fair history of the opposite and that AfD was frivolous, at best.--Goldsztajn (talk) 09:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Goldsztajn: Thanks my brother for sharing the good information. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 17:14, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	I think Sandstein is a one of good technical teacher. Go ahead. Wishing you long live with Wikipedia. ❁ᴀᴜᴛʜᴏʀ❁ (❁ᴅᴏᴍ❁) 17:21, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Your poor behaviour and poor AFD closure of Black supremacy in 2018

(Personal attack removed) Senegambianamestudy (talk) 12:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Restore

Can you please help me to restore this page and move it to the draft space?. I think I can improve this article. Thank you... Jessicahelen (talk) 04:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Jessicahelen, please ask at WP:REFUND. Sandstein 05:30, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Jeremy Issacharoff

You have been dealing with the Jeremy Issacharoff issue a few years back. Do you think it is time to release the WP:SALT? In the mean time he has been appointed Ambassador to Germany which indicates to me that a certain notability is given. Sources can be found. On the other hand the history of the article does not inspire to action. What do you think? Agathoclea (talk) 10:45, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Agathoclea, per WP:POLOUTCOMES ambassadors aren't automatically notable. Sandstein 11:02, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

but ambassadors of major nations to major nations very often are, and this is the ambassador of Israel to Germany, a particularly sensitive position. I've looked at the draft, and it needs to be expanded.Agathoclea, if you'll do that, I'll consider accepting it--and so can any other admin. But since it is quite possible that there would then be another AfD, make the article as strong as possible, both in terms of material showing importance, and the absence of peripheral minor material. DGG ( talk ) 23:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

It does smell a bit that the Draft came just after my edits on the subject matter, but it could be a coincidence based on the news of the coronavirus infection of said ambassador. Not my personal priority, but since most sources are most likely in German I will have a look around and ping you if I manage to get something together. Agathoclea (talk) 07:20, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hasan Rahnamaeian deletion

Hi sandstein. I write Hasan Rahnamaeian page But you removed it. Please Undo it. The reason of deletion because i'm banned in past. But now i'm OK. Hasan Rahnamaeian perisan page is حسن رهنمائیان warm regards. Omid ahmadyani (talk) 17:48, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Omid ahmadyani, Hasan Rahnamaeian was deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hasan Rahnamaeian for non-notability, not because you were banned. So, no. Sandstein 18:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

But he is famous bodybuilder in iran and he has حسن رهنمائیان page in persian Wikipedia Omid ahmadyani (talk) 18:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Omid ahmadyani, that is not relevant for inclusion in this Wikipedia. WP:GNG is. Sandstein 18:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

thanks, But he has this scores:

• India's 2011 IFBB Bronze Medal + 1kg

• Morocco World Bronze Medal 2013 IFBB + 1kg

• Asian; Gold Medal + 1kg

• World 2009 Bronze Medal

• Asian; Gold and Oval

• Second place in the Emirates Grand Prix

• First place in the Emirates Sportports - Figuring out with Jay Cutler at Sheikh Rashid Hall

• Numerous championships in the province and functions Omid ahmadyani (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

  Omid ahmadyani, I can't evaluate that. I can only evaluate the criteria at WP:GNG. Sandstein 19:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I research for this person and he have Significant coverage in journals. like:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 warm regards.Omid ahmadyani (talk) 20:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Johnpacklambert, Arash.pt, as AfD participants, what is your view? Sandstein 21:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I deleted the article in fawiki too ([1]). Wikipedia is a business for Omid. He gets paid to create articles for not-notable people. Most of his articles are deleted and he doesn't know anything about notability or reliable sources. For example one of his references that he mentioned here is from "pattaya-addicts forum" that linked to youtube with an unavailable video! He didn't check his references once. Because of people like him, we have an ongoing rfc in fawiki about paid editing limitations in fawiki ([2]).   ARASH PT  talk  07:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

This person is famous and i have sent you documents and references for this article. I apologize for pattaya-addicts forum but other references international and authentic. One of the administrators of fawiki undelete this article حسن رهنمائیان.I'm freelancer and to be honest, I got the money for article and i set tags for this article and this is not contrary to Wikipedia's rules. Please check this references and article in fawiki. Warm regards.

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 Omid ahmadyani (talk) 13:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Omid ahmadyani, I will not assist paid editors. Sandstein 16:20, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the deleted Christopher Martenson artcle

Hi Sandstein,

I understand that you made the final decision to delete Christoper Martenson's Wikipedia article. I believe the initial reasoning for the deletion request as given by the nominating user is incorrect and that his article is worthy of inclusion. Could you reconsider the removal of his article?

Mr10123 (talk) 12:42, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Mr10123, no, because you do not provide any reasons for me to do so. Sandstein 16:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Frederic Stanley Dunn

Hi! Could you explain which parts seemed less than neutral? I'd be happy to only include neutral edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1Ruth1 (talk • contribs) 16:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Update: Nevermind, just read your comments on the page in question. Will comply.

1Ruth1 (talk) 16:52, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of Simon Cooke from the Your Sinclair page

No, you don't.

I worked for that magazine for over a year. It was a print magazine - with a circulation of over 300,000 subscribers. You can even find the archives online.

Feel free to prove that I didn't write for that magazine before you delete me from it.

Also, consider this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Slobberdan - this user seems to only have existed to delete that entry from Wikipedia. That doesn't seem a little odd to you?

24.16.209.4 (talk) 05:55, 29 March 2020 (UTC)