User talk:Sandstein/Archives/2021/August

Sulla's civil wars

Hi again Sandstein, with respect, is 'redirect' the best you could do after all this time the discussion was unproductively kept open? Nobody bothered arguing why OR should be kept or merged from a practical and not a wikilawyer's standpoint, nobody argued that the titles were suitable search terms, support for merging had diminished since your relist, and there were ultimately more people favoring deletion over anything else. The single editor (T8612) in the discussion who knows something about the historical period in question didn't even consider merging as an option. Obviously no one will ever actually 'merge' the content, there was nothing to merge to begin with and it was all pointless bureaucratic and procedural haggling. Now a bunch of erroneous links are still up all over wikipedia and will have to be removed manually, and there's nothing stopping someone funny from restoring the articles to their previous state. Avilich (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Avilich, I didn't see a sufficiently clear consensus to delete in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sulla's civil wars. But you are free to submit the redirects to RfD for the reasons you outlined above. If nobody wants to merge the content, there should be no objections. Sandstein 15:28, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for your time, and regards. Avilich (talk) 15:32, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey

Can you indefinitely block this account SnapShade? I only used it because I was originally going To start new again, but I had a talk with another user and he told me The new start doesn’t comply with WP:CLEANSTART, so I did some thinking and decided to go back to this account. If you want more information, See the users talk page. Thanks! PopLizard86427 (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

PopLizard86427, sorry, I don't do self-requested blocks, and those who do will require that the request is made by the account that is to be blocked. Sandstein 19:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for World Pantheist Movement

An editor has asked for a deletion review of World Pantheist Movement. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Lothaeus (talk) 11:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Cross Ratio Entertainment

Hello Sandstein,

I would like to discuss the reason of deletion of the page Cross Ratio Entertainment. As a green editor of Wikipedia, it is one of my first page contributions as a registered user, so most of my contribution are related to the topic, which might seem like conflict of interest. The reason for the edits on the artist pages' related to Cross Ratio Entertainment was to update the links on related Wikipedia pages. Thank you.

As for notability, I understand that notability is difficult to justify for record labels because usually, they are recognised for their artist roster and hope that you share similar sentiments. But upon noting the company-branded products such as cross-over and Cross Ratio Music Festival, I recognised their notability and presence in their industry, which was why I picked this topic to write a page on.

Thank you.

Anonymoushamster (talk) 09:30, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Anonymoushamster, please link to the page or discussion at issue. Sandstein 09:48, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sandstein, here's the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cross_Ratio_Entertainment&action=edit&redlink=1

Sorry, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cross Ratio Entertainment decided to delete this article by unanimous consensus. You can recreate it if in doing so you can convincingly address the reasons for the deletion. Sandstein 05:51, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Vote-a-rama

On 22 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vote-a-rama, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the budget process in the United States Senate often ends in a vote-a-rama? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vote-a-rama. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Vote-a-rama), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:03, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Deletion review for Consortiumnews

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Consortiumnews. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. RekishiEJ (talk) 10:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Kitschies

You are so quick !! I was currently still editing and fixing it up as I went as I checked the awards. So I don't know how to merge changes, so I lost mine. A class article is no urgent. And it has been a pain because of the quality of the primary data from the group. Thank-you. WIll do some more and give up as I am no longer that interested. Do not touch it for 2 hours Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 07:32, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

I have done the changes. Have a look and give some advice.

As I said ... ok as I tried to say -it's a low class article with lot's of data problems.|

I have set up the wiki for converting the awards to tables if I want to, by making each year and award very similar. Are there good list to table conversion tools? Or is it just manual? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 13:10, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Wakelamp, thanks again for your work. I'm not aware of any such tools, but WP:VPT might be. Sandstein 09:08, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Fictional counties

Hallo, your edit here was on my watchlist and drew my attention to the deleted List of fictional counties. I wonder if you would be willing to let me have a copy of the deleted list (by email or in my user space), to see how many English/ UK / British-and Irish counties were included, to see whether there's scope for a nicely-sourced and bluelinked List of fictional English counties (or similar) on the lines of List of fictional British and Irish universities? Category:Fictional counties has five (Barsetshire, Borsetshire, Midsomer (fictional county), Mummerset and Trumptonshire): if there are an interesting further group it might be a sensible list. If you aren't willing to let me have the list, could you tell me which other UK/Irish counties are listed? (Counties, or more exactly "historic counties", are a rather interesting area in UK editing terms at the moment - see the walls of text at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography - but a little gentle work on fictional counties might be worthwhile light relief). PamD 08:31, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

PamD, I'll be e-mailing you a copy. There were nine UK counties on the list. Sandstein 09:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks: there may be some potential there - will add it to my "articles to write sometime perhaps" list. PamD 09:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

• Putting this information into email will fail to preserve the attribution for this topic. Please userfy the page to facilitate such work. And please reconsider the close too. Sandstein seems to be conceding that there is scope for further work per policies WP:ATD; WP:IMPERFECT and WP:PRESERVE while WP:DGFA states that admins should "Use common sense and respect the judgment and feelings of Wikipedia participants. ... When in doubt, don't delete." Given that three previous closes did not delete, there seems to be reasonable doubt in this case. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:02, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

If I work on the list I'll only be using the previous list of names as a starting point from which to search for sources on entries and build the list, so I don't see attribution as a problem. PamD 16:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Bombshell Geyser AfD

Just a question about your close of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bombshell_Geyser. You redirected to List of Yellowstone thermal features but did not add an entry for Bombshell Geyser to the list. I think it only makes sense to redirect there if the article mentions Bombshell Geyser, so I think the consensus was for something more along the lines of a merge (though only some content is appropriate for the table) rather than a blank and redirect. I can go ahead and add the entry the table at the target and update the redirect with {{R from merge}}, but I just wanted to run it past you to make sure you thought it was consistent with your close or if the consensus should be updated. Cheers, Mdewman6 (talk) 23:24, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Mdewman6, sure, that makes sense. Sandstein 05:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Godzilla

Hey Sandstein, long time no see. Hope you are well. I was reaching out about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional locations in the Godzilla films. I'm not contesting the result or anything, I was just curious the rationale behind the decision to close it as a delete. Was it based upon the arguments, or just the vote count? — Hunter Kahn 05:37, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hunter Kahn, hi. The reason was that you were the only one who wanted to keep the article, and with weak arguments: you asserted notability, but didn‘t cite sources when asked to back up that assertion. Sandstein 06:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

• Well, that's a... strange conclusion to reach. I didn't need to cite sources, I had already spoken about them, and the sources already existed in the article and were extremely apparent. The question that I was asked was which sources did I think were the best sources, to which I said I'd have to look back because it's been a while. But that question didn't speak to whether any reliable sources existed, nor did it speak to establishing notability of the subject. I had already spoken to the notability question in my earlier response and cited examples of where sources discussed went beyond mere plot summary (Ishirō Honda discussing how budget restraints affected the settings, Yoshikuni Igarashi discussing how South Pacific locations reflect allegories of Japanese culture, inconsistencies between the appearances of same settings used in different kaiju films, etc). Nobody event attempted to counter those specific arguments, which is why I was surprised that the AfD ended with a Delete result instead of at least being re-listed for further discussion, since obviously AfD isn't meant to be simply a tally count of votes. But anyway, it is what it is. — Hunter Kahn 23:22, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Sandstein Can I get the old article moved to User:Hunter Kahn/List of fictional locations in the Godzilla films? Some time in the distant future I might try to search out more sources and see if I can work on it... — Hunter Kahn 01:51, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

    Hunter Kahn, sorry, I don't normally undelete pages, but you can ask at WP:REFUND. Sandstein 06:00, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

userify NeuroVista?

Hey User:Sandstein, thanks for closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NeuroVista. As mentioned in the discussion, I think there's plenty of material to support an interesting article about the NeuroVista trial (distinct from the company). Do you mind dumping the deleted text of the company article into my sandbox or elsewhere in my userspace so I can use some of that material in the new article? Thank you, and let me know if I don't understand the deletion->userspace pipeline, this is my first time making a request like this. Suriname0 (talk) 22:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Suriname0, sorry, I don't normally undelete pages, but you can ask at WP:REFUND. Sandstein 06:00, 31 August 2021 (UTC)