Sedgehead

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• I'm an editor, writer, botanist, and ecologist who's teaching himself Chinese, so I may end up editing almost anything on Wikipedia. I stay busy, so feel free to rattle my cage if you need my attention!

Background

I'm a botanist and ecologist, retired from the U. S. Forest Service, who has an interest in the genus Carex (Cyperaceae).

Why Chinese?

I heard a National Public Radio program in 2002 discussing global languages and learned that two people speak Chinese for every one who speaks English. I started learning Chinese in early 2004 and now chat in Chinese with people in China every day.

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Again, welcome! SmartSE (talk) 21:10, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Sedgehead - I'm a real person (not a computer) and a he. Thanks for your note - out of hundreds of people I've welcomed I think you're the first to reply! If you find the time, I am sure there is plenty of useful work that you could do around here - for starters Carex could do with expanding. Regarding Chinese geography - this may well be because there are few English sources in existence that discuss the areas, meaning that few wikipedia editors can access them. Unfortunately that is the case for many topics outside of the West and there is little we can do about it. Anyway, if you ever want to contribute more, drop me a note and I can give you some tips as to how to make editing easier. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 22:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

In answer to your question "what makes a good reference?" our page on identifying reliable sources should help - basically we should reference books by large publishers, scientific papers, govt reports and reputable newspapers. For Xin River you should look at google books and possibly google scholar (although accessing these sources may not be easy. I also noticed that Brittanica have an article on the Xin so you can use that as a reference too. You can't cite other wikipedia articles due to the problem of circular referencing and unfortunately the English wikipedia has tougher controls on references than some other languages so even if something is referenced in the Chinese version, you may not be able to use it here. Finally, you answered your own question correctly - as a tertiary source, we can only use information that has already been published - this is covered by our no original research policy. Let me know if you have any other questions and good luck with your first article. (If it gets to more than 1500 characters long, it can appear on the main page in the did you know? section.) SmartSE (talk) 16:49, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the problem in your draft - it was because some references ended with </rev> rather than </ref>. It would be good if you can move the references to being inline citations so that readers can know which source contains the information for each reference. Hopefully that link makes it clear how to do it, but if not drop me a note again. Oh and about the previous question: you need to click on the [edit] button on the RHS of the screen at the top of the first message, and then use colons to offset the new comment from the old ones. SmartSE (talk) 11:44, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I think I see how to do this. Thanks for the fix! I knew it was possible to create inline citations, I just didn't know how! So, your suggestions are very helpful. I'll work on that as I take the time. As wikipedia says in their guidelines, "Don't get in a hurry, Rome (and wikipedia) was not built in a day!" I'm using this article for several purposes. First, I'm a full time writer and editor; I was reviewing a research paper from China on the Xin River and needed the info! I improve Chinglish to English (more info on my personal sedgehead website). Second, it give me a chance to learn about how to edit here. Third, my Chinese friends are shocked I wrote a page on wikipedia about a river in their home province they didn't even know existed! Now they want to learn how to edit wikipedia. "I use it all the time," one of them said! So, we should have more fun. I'll keep researching this area for more info to add to the Xin River page. My Chinese friends want to find someone in the area to take some photos for us. I'm not sure what form of permission I need from them, but I'll find out! Then we can add photos to this page.

I'm wondering how to cite a single source several times. I moved the references into the text for the Xin River after visiting the library today. There are still only five books cited, but the list of references shows about 14. Any thoughts anyone? Sedgehead (talk) 15:59, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead

I've done it for the brittanica reference, but it might not be clear what I did from the diff... It is explained at Wikipedia:REF#Repeated_citations though which hopefully makes sense. Let me know if it doesn't. SmartSE (talk) 11:04, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It took me a few minutes to get all the patterns down right! But I did it! The basics are done with this page. I am trying to find someone in China to send me some photos to add. I found Wikipedia's photo permission statement, so I imagine I just need to get the person who takes the photo to send me a note of permission to use it. I'm not sure who send it to (the permission statement needed by wikipedia). When I have a chance, I'll look up more info on the Xin River at the U of A, 126 west of my home. This has been a good learning page for me to learn the wikipedia system. I'm also going to try to find on line info in Chinese about the Xin River. I know the standards are high for using such on wikipedia, but I'll read them again before I upload new info from the web. Any suggestion are always welcome. Thanks for the assistance with the refs. I even remembered to sign this! Sedgehead (talk) 15:59, 22 October 2011 (UTC)Sedgehead

Nice work! I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll keep an eye on things and let me know if you have any more questions. SmartSE (talk) 09:30, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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I'm not loosing any sleep over this deletion or non-deletion. I do know the IAB folks are actively working today (March 2) to improve the article. I've been in communication with several of them and discussed a few ideas about what needs to be done. I wish them luck! Sedgehead (talk) 23:24, 2 March 2012 (UTC)Sedgehead

A few more thoughts. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryology. It is pretty sparse. Compare it to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology. We could create a talk page for the IAP page. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Talk_page. Or you are welcome to use my existing talk page for the discussion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sedgehead (The IAB page discussion is at the bottom of my current talk page). Talk pages are easy to use, but like all of wikipedia it takes a little thought investment to get started. The advantage is having a place for volunteer wikipedia editors to talk. I will post this note on my talk page. Let me know if I can help. Forward this and other messages at will! Sedgehead (talk) 21:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)Sedgehead

Regarding IAB

Hi Sedgehead, I just answered your question at my talk page: User talk:First Light. I moved the discussion from where you put it, which was my User Page—I've made the same mistake, posting a note on someone's user page. You'll see that some editors like to keep a discussion thread all in one place, including myself, so I answered there. And welcome to Wikipedia! First Light (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

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No, as the reviewing administrator I could see it had context enough to know what it was, and so was not speedy deleted. However the article needs additional references, providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. It is undoubtedly included in various guides to the botanical literature, and these will be very good references. Please be extremely careful not to quote or closely paraphrase form its website, or the NYBG.I did some additions, but the date of each edition and the name of each editor should be added. DGG ( talk ) 17:48, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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• I have also proposed this article for speedy deletion (G4) as a recreation of an article previously deleted after a deletion discussion. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 01:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I certainly understand. The folks who prepared the original page asked me to help them with it. I did not understand exactly how it works (independent sources vs the sources created by the journal itself. Feel free to delete page if needed. I'll try to get it copied and not post it again until I find some independent sources. Sedgehead (talk) 05:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)Sedgehead

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