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Help me!

Hi there,

On 19.07.2019 the " User:Sphilbrick " has reverted my revision to the Heinrich Heine page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Heine). I published one poem by Heirich Heine and a translation of that poem into English (that translation was entirely work of my hands). So the User:Sphilbrick had deleted my revision and I did not quite understand why. And he did not write or explained. So I would be very grateful if you could help me out with the issue. I thank you in advance.

Sergeismart (talk) 20:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, there. It appears that it was deleted as a copyright violation. I'll bring in @Sphilbrick: to elaborate, if I've missed something. Strikerforce^Talk 21:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It appears Sphilbrick mistook the German version for a copyright violation, which it of course isn't because Heine is long, long dead. That said, a poem without context or critical analysis doesn't provide our readers with any meaningful information about Heine. You'll notice that the other poems generally come with explanations and illustrate Heine's development as a poet. If I had seen the addition first, I'd likely have removed it too, not on copyright grounds but because it simply doesn't add anything to our readers' understanding of Heine (also, the translation takes some artistic license that seems unnecessary since it doesn't try to duplicate the pattern of rhymes; the other poems were translated by professionals and published in English; if Wandere is a significant work to be discussed in the article, it may be better to rely on one of those translations instead of creating our own). Huon (talk) 21:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Sergeismart, My action was triggered by seeing the German version of the poem posted here. I'm not familiar with the poet and missed that the text is in public domain now. While I agree with @Huon: that there may be other issues justifying removal, as my revision was based on copyright issues in error, I'm undoing my reversion, and urge others to assess the edit on these other considerations. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Sphilbrick, thanks for letting me know.

Help me!

Hi there,

If I asked for hrlp on Wikipedia and received an answer to that help request on my Talk page - can I respond to the user who answered my request? I mean I click on the name of the user and it redirects me to his talk page but I don't know how to respond there. So if you could advise me on that - I would be most grateful. Thanks.

Sergeismart (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

You can reply right here; there's an "edit" link next to the section heading. That way, the conversation will be kept in one place and will be far easier to read, particularly by third parties. If you want to make sure they see your reply, you can add a link to their user page (and four tildes, ~~~~, at the end which will produce your signature); that will notify the user. If you want to leave someone a message on their user talk page, there's a "New section" tab at the top of talk pages that you can use to start a new discsussion. See also Help:Talk for more general information on talk pages. Huon (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi again,

Thanks a lot for your detailed response. Returning for a moment to that deletion of my revision to Heinrich Heine (HH) page: You are right, perhaps that HH poem does not contribute anything to Wikipedia's readers knowledge of HH - but it is the only poem I know of HH (it was on my study program of German course many years ago) and I thought it would be nice to see it on Wikipedia. The reason for me translating - I firsrly looked everywhere on the Internet for pofessional translators' version but couldn't find any - that is why I decided doing it all by myself. Besides, the translation I made - it wasn't final - I was very short on time last Friday, plus I thought I was doing it like on my sandbox, you know, not publishing a final version. So I will tell you what - what do you say I finalise the translation (to the best of my ability, of course, since Russian - not English - is my mother tongue), see what is the best context and a spot for it on a HH English Wikipedia page and perhaps try once more to add this content? And if it get deleted - so be it. Thanks again for your response.

You may want to try Wikisource; they might be interested in having an English translation. I wonder why you couldn't find a professional translation, though; the article on Heinrich Heine lists in the "English editions" section:

The Complete Poems of Heinrich Heine: A Modern English Version by Hal Draper, Suhrkamp/Insel Publishers Boston, 1982. ISBN 3-518-03048-5

Unless that's less complete than advertised, it should have Wandere!, too. Huon (talk) 11:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

The translation of the poem might very well be in "The Complete Poems of Heirich Heine" - I am not aware of that since I don't have the book myself but - as mentioned - I tried the Internet not only for a professional one but for any translation possible - there is none and that is why I decided to make one myself, perfectly relising that from the standpoint of a professional translation it is, most probably, going to be much less than perfect (and that is to say the least), considering neither the English nor the German are my mother tongues. And I will see if anything could be done on the Wikisource. Thanks for you advice and an extended response. It is most kind.

Welcome

Hi and welcome to Wikipedia. I see that you are interested in adding content to poetry biographies. There are protocols around the formatting of edits. You might like to have a peruse of John Keats and W. B. Yeats for ways that poetry articles are presented. For example, quotes and poems are not given in italics, and only small chunks are offered, if at all. They are only there to enhance and illustrate points made in the article, not to compete with it. You might like to explore Wikiquote and Wikisource.

It's best to add a reliable source for the poem, so that the reader can go off and find more. (Nb. "Miss me a little" was not written by Rossetti). As an encyclopedia first and last, we strive to keep always a neutral point of view - as with, for example, the tone of the Encyclopedia Britannica. We work towards what is best for the article, not what is best for the editor.

It might be worth considering that WP is the culmination of nearly 20 years of thousands of editors' donated work. These editors include professors, scientists, school children, and everyone in between. 40 million articles in 300 languages: it's a wonderful, global project of community learning. It takes a while to learn how the whole byzantine community works. This can feel frustrating, as long edits are unceremoniously reverted or you are faced with 10,000 guidelines. But do persevere. Poetry articles do need more good, well referenced content added and more care given.

I hope these tips are of help. Following how other articles are structured is usually helpful as a guideline to follow. The help desk is helpful. Happy exploring of the new continent. Anna (talk) 21:44, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Anna (talk)

Hi Anna, thanks for your message, your revision and for your tips - they are indeed very helpful. The "Let me go" poem written by Christina Rosetti (which you in your message referred to as a "Miss me a little" poem) I found right here: https://keytopoetry.com/christina-georgina-rossetti/poems/let-me-go-77/ , https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/let-me-go-77/ . These are indeed the Internet sources but, frankly speaking, I don't see why they (in the absence of other reliable ones, for example with an ISBN number) should not be considered reliable enough for the purposes of aforementioned addition (reverted by you) to WP. Your remark about the undesirability of frequent use of italics while adding quotes and poems to WP has been taken well into consideration. In the meantime, I resubmitted the "Let me go" poem to Cristina Rosetti WP page (in the hope that it might remain there this time) and I invite you to check it out right here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Rossetti. I thank you again for your message and for your advice. Kind regards, Sergei Sergeismart (talk) 21:35, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Serge, please check out the article on what counts as a reliable resource. Poem Hunter is not it. The article lays out in detail why WP is careful. Poem Hunter is a cross between a blog and a forum, as mentioned in the link - neither of which are not allowed for citations. Anyone can post a poem on the Poem Hunter site with no reference. Rossetti's work is readily found in solid Rossetti's biographies and literary texts. You will not find this poem in those books. here the poem is attributed to Edgar A Guest, it is by Ms Anon also here. Here is is said to be Henry Scott Holland. Whoever it is written by, I promise that it is not by Rossetti.

It's a very much easier route to look at the way other poetry articles are structured and investigate the protocols. If you don't want trust me, ask other long standing poetry editors such as Martin Evans who has been diligently working away for 12 years. I have worked on the article since 2009. Page stats here. New editors to work with are always welcome. Anna (talk) 17:04, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Anna (talk) Hi Anna, great to hear from you again. No, I entirely trust your judgement and your expertise. I checked the Internet sources you cite in your message and, indeed, at some of them the poem is attributed to different authors (other than Christina Rossetti). The solid Rossetti's biographies and literary texts - no, I haven't got any of those and I haven't read any of them either, you see, in the place where I live (Chelyabinsk, Russia) I can't easily get any of those you mentioned. What I do have in my possession is "The Library of World Poetry" edited by W.C. Bryant (Library of Congress CCN 76-52805) but there are only two poems by Christina Rossetti in this book: "The MIlking-Maid" and "Up Hill". So then, I guess there is not much else we can do to help resolve the uncertainty, right? I thank you again for your advice and for your genuine desire to help. Kind regards, Sergei Osankin Sergeismart (talk) 18:54, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sergei, Google books is a great resource. If you look for results with 'Preview' marked, you will be able to read great sections of a book (though not all). It's great for checking references. Google Scholar is also great - and free. If you become a regular editor here (which would be great), you will get an opportunity to apply for free membership of the best online libraries, including Credo and Questia. In the meantime, would you mind reverting your added poem? The best place for discussion of article content is often the article talk page. Here poetry bods, scholars, admins and other editors can discuss and add their thoughts and evidence on questions. WP is a big collaborative community so it's often best to keep things as open as possible. Have a good week. Anna (talk) 11:07, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Anna (talk) Hi Anna, I have just removed the poem in question from the Christina Rossetti WP page. Thanks for the added links to new resources and for your advice. It has been great to hear from you again. Have a nice week. Best wishes, Sergei Osankin Sergeismart (talk) 14:36, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Anna (talk) 17:16, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Serge, thanks for your recent poetry edits. I'm glad you are adding content, as it's much needed. I offer a few more editing thoughts:

• Please remember to add edit summaries so that other editors can understand the reason and rationale for your changes. It saves a lot of time. Editing is always collaborative.
• Single entities like songs, poems and articles are always added in inverted commas (speech marks), such as "To Autumn". Very long poems such as The Rime of the Ancient Mariner, are expections to this. Albums and whole books are added in italics, such as Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
• The main aim of the article is as an encyclopedic page to help the reader learn as much about the subject as possible and as directly as possible, with as little getting in the way as we can help. To this end, it's best to give a taste of a writer's poem but not the whole thing as it distracts from the article. Also, please consider that many readers are seeing these articles on mobile/cell phones, which offers very different, linear formatting. Pictures and additions like quote boxes are put in the line with the article text, not beside it.
• We try and go with the extant structure of the article, where it seems useful. For example, in this article, there is already a 'legacy' section, where 'tributes' would happily fit.
• We don't put inset hyperlinks to external articles into the body of articles, only in the external links section at the base of the page.
• Please add good, solid third party sources to your added content. This does not include Youtube links, blogs, forums, Twitter, Facebook or junk newspapers like the Daily Mail.

I hope this is of help. If you have any questions, please do ask. I am happy to help. It takes a while to get a hang of things. All best wishes Anna (talk) 17:50, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Anna (talk)

It is of a very great help, Anna, thanks a million. When (and if) I will be adding a new content, I will try to do it as best as I can in accordance with the guidelines and the advice you have provided. I do sincerely apologise it has taken me a whole week to answer your previous message. Warm regards, Sergei Osankin Sergeismart (talk) 15:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I am travelling a lot, so not near a computer very often at the moment either. Anna (talk) 09:33, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Anna (talk) Much luck and great success on your journey(s), Anna. Best regards Sergeismart (talk) 12:23, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Anna (talk) Hi Anna, I found another Internet source where the authorship of "Let me go" poem is attributed to Christina Rossetti, it is right here: https://allpoetry.com/poem/14327659-Let-Me-Go-by-Christina-Georgina-Rossetti. An unreliable, most probably, source (as viewed by Wikipedia) but I still thought I would let you know. I also did write them a letter asking if they have any reference to a credible, reliable source - hope they do and will let me know. Another thing, here on the Felicia Hemans page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicia_Hemans, in the "Ancestry" section, the last sentence goes "Of three daughters, only Felicia married... ", however in the very next "Early life and works" paragraph the second sentence goes "Of her two sisters, ... Harriett Mary Browne (1798–1858) married first the Revd T. Hughes, then the Revd W. Hicks Owen.". Considering the discrepancy, do you mind if I edit the mentioned "Ancestry" section sentence and, instead of "Of three daughters, only Felicia married... " make it: "Felicia married George Browne who joined his father-in-law's business and succeeded him as Tuscan and imperial consul in Liverpool". My apologies for interruption. Best regards Sergeismart (talk) 20:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Yes, All Poetry is an other forum that anyone can publish on. Not reliable. I'll have a read of the Felicia article. I hope all is well. Best wishes Anna (talk) 05:02, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Being careful - again

Hi, please do be careful with your changes. For example, here Felicity is the mother of the poet Felicia. They are not the same person. If you have a doubt once you have read carefully through the article, please raise it on the article talk page. And please use edit summaries always, so that other editors can understand your changes. Thank you. Anna (talk) 22:41, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Anna (talk) Thanks for your message and for an explanation. I will try to do my best to provide a summary for every edit I make. Hope all is very well. Best regards Sergeismart (talk) 00:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Anna (talk) 21:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Poem quotes

Hi Serge, please do only add one stanza from a poem. A whole poem is too long for an article. The idea is to just give a small flavour of the writer. Thanks. Anna (talk) 16:10, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Anna (talk)

Hi Anna, it's fine with me. But I did add to your edit a reference with a link to the source on Google books and changed the very first line of the poem from "The stately homes of England" to "The stately Homes of England" (i.e. how it is in the mentioned source). Hope this is alright (and if it is, I will add in the same way the reference to the "Casabianca" poem tomorrow - it is in the same book). Good to hear from you. Best wishes, Sergei Sergeismart (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, thanks for the copy edit. It's just important to keep poem quotes short. I hope you are doing well. Anna (talk) 19:44, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Anna (talk)

Doing well, thank you. In the meantime I added a reference (with a direct link to the source on Google books) to the "Casabianca" poem slightly changing punctuation marks of your edit (1. added a comma after a "deck" in the first line; 2. added a semicolon instead of a dash after "the storm" in the sixth line; 3. removed a comma after "A proud" and made "childlike" instead of "child-like" in the last line - making them exactly as they are in the mentioned source on Google books). Hope you won't mind and hope you are doing very well too. Best wishes, Sergei Sergeismart (talk) 10:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Anna (talk)

Hi Anna, hope you are doing fine! I want to create a Russian language version of the William Knox article, but I am not quite sure where to start. I ain't aiming for a new theme, but for an already existing (mentioned) one, only in the different language (like when you read a Wikipedia article, you have the links to the same theme in the different languages - this is what I am thinking of doing with William Knox article). I wonder if you could give me a hint what's the best way to start. I hope I don't bother much with the ask. Best wishes, Sergei Sergeismart (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

2012 Democratic National Convention

Hi Sergeismart. I appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia. I've removed the long quote from Bill Clinton at the 2012 Democratic National Convention article because it seemed like a case of Wikipedia:Overquoting. In other words, this quote was likely longer than what would be acceptable under fair-use restrictions, and quotations "should not substitute for exposition in Wikipedia's own voice". It would be preferable to summarize information from high-quality, reliable secondary sources discussing the convention speech(es). Hope that makes sense. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 16:56, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

DanCherek (talk)

It does indeed. Thanks for your time. Best wishes, Sergei Sergeismart (talk) 03:14, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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