User talk:Shawn à Montréal/Archive 2
BAFTA nominations
editI closed this discussion. Do you want me to close and relist your nominations now, or do you want to take care of relisting them? In light of how the other one ended, I don't suppose you'll be altering your proposal, but I don't think it's going to get much attention now on the 12 June listing. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
- Relisted here; the initial one has been closed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Category:Female film directors
editGiven that you responded rather strongly on this one, I was wondering why you were silent on the nomination of Category:Female diplomats. I'm trying to figure out what makes these changes acceptable. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Category
edit"Number-one debut singles" is exactly what it says on the tin: debut singles which reached Number One, which was kept by consensus as a non-trivial intersection of Category:Debut singles and Category:Number-one singles — and it has a very clear inclusion criteria of "debut singles that reached Number One on any major singles chart", everything from "Achy Breaky Heart" to "Never Gonna Give You Up". The "first Number-one singles" category is for the first Number One for the artist in question, which may not always be their first single release, and is more of a gray area. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Award time
editOh yes.
The WikiProject Films Award | ||
I, Lugnuts (talk), hereby award Shawn in Montreal the WikiProject Films Award for your valued contibutions to WikiProject Films. For the work involved in categorizing the countless documentary films on WP.
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- Thanks, Lugnuts, that's very kind of you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Freshwater surfing
editHi Shawn. I encountered your "author request" speedy tag at Category:Freshwater surfing, and am inclined to decline it. Very good reason and all, but the original author of the cat (User:Koavf) needs to be contacted first. G7 can apply to any major author of a page, but it'd be best if you dropped a note to Koavf. You could bring it to CFD, of course, but if the author agrees, it can be deleted through CSD. Best, JamieS93 01:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks! I hadn't see your subsequent edits to the category speedy tag, which cleared up matters. Done. Regards, JamieS93 02:43, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Do me a favor
editAnd tell me that upon reflection you get that my comment about the color-blind category was a joke. Otto4711 (talk) 04:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
CfD comments
editRegarding your attempt at peacemaking here, I can appreciate what you were attempting to do. Some time ago, I attempted to make peace between the same parties. It was a good faith effort with the best of intentions, but it essentially got thrown back in my face by Alansohn, I think because he felt I was blaming him for the particular dispute and not holding Otto equally responsible. This incident is (as near as I can tell) the ultimate source of Alansohn's antipathy towards me, which as far as I know continues to this day.
Anyway, I applaud your efforts to try, but I at least have found some users just don't want to be helped, because—to be blunt to the level that I should have emailed you instead of posting this here—they thrive on acting like a dick. Any other user that tries to bring such behavior to an end will ultimately be black-balled and repeatedly baited with accusations of "wikistalking", "disruption", being an operative of the "non-real world of categories", "conflict of interest", "anti-Semitism", "insensitivity towards child molestation"—basically anything conceivable in the hopes that something will stick or elicit an uncivil response. (All of the above and more have repeatedly been thrown at me.) I think it's easy to see this kind of approach here, as you identified.
In short, as someone who sacrificed far too many of my billy-goats-gruff, don't spend too much time feeding the trolls. Ultimately, I suspect it won't be long until the community as a whole decides it has had enough from selected editors. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
You've nominated it for renaming, but you did not specify the new name. I assume you just wanted to change it to plural, so I've nominated it for speedy renaming - hope that's OK. GregorB (talk) 15:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
- Done. I've also withdrawn the speedy nomination, but I've left the option for the closing admin to rename anyway. GregorB (talk) 15:54, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Films about journalists/journalism
editThanks for that heads-up - all sorted now. --Xdamrtalk 21:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Category:Books made into films
editSince you commented in the original CfD, you may be interested in commenting in the current successor CfD. --Cybercobra (talk) 03:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks but I don't have a take on it, one way or another. --Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Dear Shawn, it's only now that I could notice you asking about Zombistan by Cem Özüduru. I am the editor of the book and would be glad to send you a copy along with material in English. You can contact me at [email protected] I guess you could use it right under this discussion since it probably will soon become a motion picture as work is in progress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.29.84.149 (talk) 00:09, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Documentaries by topic
editThanks for the comment. I have been trying gradually to coordinate Category:Documentaries by topic and Category:Films by topic but there is probably a limit to what can be achieved given the existing categories. Cjc13 (talk) 23:27, 18 August 2009 (UTC
Thanks
editThanks for your participation in my recent RfA. I will do my very best not to betray the confidence you have shown me. If you ever have any questions or suggestions about my conduct as an administrator or as an editor please don't hesitate to contact me. Once again, thanks. ·Maunus·ƛ· 12:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Latino American film festivals
editHi Shawn, please have a look at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 August 23#Category:Latino American film festivals in case there is time for a quick consensus on minor change. - Fayenatic (talk) 21:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Quebec film stubs
editHi Shawn - thought this maybe of interest to you. Lugnuts (talk) 18:28, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Bonjour!
editBonjour!
I'm User:Mixwell, one of the many wikipedians living in or around Montréal. I want to know if you're interested to improve the Wikimania bid page for Montréal to host the 2011 edition? If you want, you can edit it at m:Wikimania 2011/Bids/Montréal right there and give us your opinion! --Mixwell!Talk 01:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Rollback
editOkay, I'm fine with the no consensus decision at the CfD but I'm not okay with you rollbacking my edits. My edits were not vandalism as I was doing what I thought was correct and rollback should be used only for vandalism.--Giants27(c|s) 15:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- I didn't realize that: I thought that the rollback option -- i.e. rollback WITHOUT tagging as vandalism -- could be used in this case. But I just checked Wikipedia:Rollback policy and you're right. My apologies. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
- No worries just wanted to make sure you knew when it's appropiate to use it. Cheers,--Giants27(c|s) 15:18, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for creating the History of African Americans in the Canadian Football League article! It is an excellent and helpful start for an important topic. Cheers! DoubleBlue (talk) 03:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you. That PDF is a particularly impressive document. Extensive bibliography which I am using as a reference for other sources. There's more to this subject than I realized. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
RHCP singles
editHi Shawn. Thankyou for taking the time to try to improve what we have here on wikipedea. While I disagreed with what you were doing in these individual cases I support your efforts to improve what appears here. Thanks for your time and effort. Duffbeerforme (talk) 14:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- No probs. I'll rollback my changes to the redirects when the Afds are closed. I'm surprised that the Chili Peppers song cat has been depopulated in this way without any debate, as they're a pretty major group, but perhaps I'll leave it to someone else to repop, if there's a desire to. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:04, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
- I've restored 3 of the 4 to redirects. Someone else has started a discussion on the target albums talk page so I'll give that one time. I see you suggested merging on the three I redirected but directed discussion to the songs article. Discussion is best directed to the targets (in these cases, the albums) page. Would you like me to restore the articles and start a merge discussion for them. (I believe there is nothing to merge as there is no independent sources and articles say nothing that can not be said on the album articles). Duffbeerforme (talk) 13:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Descriptive technique
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editTemplate talk:Indigenous Peoples of Canada
Quote "FYI, I've just created Category:Aboriginal culture in Canada to group First Nations, Inuit and Métis culture categories, and any Aboriginal culture articles we may have that span all three. Not sure if this can or should be worked into the template, but I thought I'd mention it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC)"
- Done it has replaced the other 3 in culture section Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
The Invisible Barnstar | ||
Awarded to Shawn in Montreal for not seeking recognition or reward for his many contributions. Buzzzsherman (talk) 20:17, 20 October 2009 (UTC) |
I am just trying to update Genevieve Bujold's filmography and by the same occasion highlight some notable Canadian films and direcors, I admit I am not very strong at "technicalities" but my sources are easily verifiable and reliable. Most film description on Wikepedia simply have Internet Movie Database as reference and it doesn't seem to create much controversy. I don't see in my articles anything detrimental to anyone. Perhaps it is indeed time for you "watchdogs" to find another bone to chew on! --Marleau (talk) 15:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think you understand what I was trying to tell you. Good luck to you, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think you understand me either, I have no problem with people editing my articles but when I barely have time to hit the "save" button and half of it has been deleted and tagged galore over technicalities, I don't find it "helpful and constructive" (I am referring to another user not you), there is something compulsive about that. Anyway, I am putting it all to rest as it's getting a bit tedious. --Marleau (talk) 17:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you're having problems. It can be frustrating when people tag articles you are still in the process of editing. I sometimes place an "under construction" tag on my new articles. I would recommend you restore the content you deleted on this being the first film Almond did with his then-wife. It was referenced to Bujold's own Canadian Film Encyclopedia article. Perhaps you're not aware that this is what you did when you reverted to the earlier version? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Did I forget to thank you? ..
editPlace Ville-Marie
editHi there,
I see on your user page that you live in Montreal. I am going to assume that you have heard of Place Ville-Marie in asking you this question. The reports of the number of floors in Place Ville-Marie vary from 43 to 46. Do you, with your Montreal expertise, know the actual number of floors in this structure, or could you possibly visit this building to find out? Thanks, -Stuck in Edmonton 117Avenue (talk) 22:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
- I see from the article's talk page that there has been some discussion and the article has been revised to 47 floors. I've no info myself but I am inclined to think you have arrived at the correct number. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:59, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks 117Avenue (talk) 01:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
- When I lived in Montreal in the 1960's, everyone said 45 floors. Now I've moved back after fifty years, no-one bothers talking about it any more. AlatarK (talk) 04:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your recent changes!
editThanks for your recent edits!! - 189.217.171.135 (talk) 01:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I reasoned a Wikipedia:Speedy keep for the AfD, which is the correct name for the policy. Please understand that I still think a discussion is useful, and will improve the article. But I prefer to stay away from discussions on two locations (and one of them about deletion), because that does not work out imo. -DePiep (talk) 17:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- Sure thing. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Stubs
editYes, thank you. I realized this right after several articles, as you pointed out, and have stopped doing so. Again, thanks for bringing this to my attention so promptly.--fetchcomms 01:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Advert
editHi, sorry for the delay.
I realize that advertising was clearly NOT your intention; however, the tone concerned me slightly on both articles. Basically, they were both short (obviously, because they were new), had not been worked on for about a month, and the phrasing sounded a little strange to me ("...taking an impressionistic, unorthodox look at the game of ice hockey" seemed like too much of an opinion, for one). Also, "Produced by the National Film Board of Canada, the film received..." seemed a little odd, though not technically incorrect... I guess I would have said something to the effect of "It was produced by the " so and so "and won " whatever awards. On Jeu, "A film about the frenetic pace of modern life, the film is set to scherzo of Prokofiev's Concerto for Piano No. 2, Opus 16" seemed a little overly... dramatic? I'm not sure how to put it, but I think it could have just been rearranged a little. Actually, I guess it's really your phrasing. (Also, maybe "the frenetic pace of modern life" seems a little like it was taken directly from a review or something.) Again, I understand that it was clearly not your intention to do that, but I added the tags just in case (and also so I could come back if I found some time). Thank you for alerting me; I hope I was clear enough. If you want, go ahead and remove the tags. I think the articles are fine as is, but could just be improved upon. Thanks, fetchcomms 02:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- No problem. Part of it was my fault, I was probably a bit hasty in adding tags to something I could have easily fixed myself. If you have any other concerns, drop me a message, otherwise, thanks again!--fetchcomms 02:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- I looked at your edits and the articles look good!:)--fetchcomms 02:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Meaning of lyrics
editHey there, that article was such a pain in the ass to decide what to do with. It had survived the same subst:prod|essay that you just nominated it for. I was about to do the same thing until i saw that it was for some reason spared!
I redirected it to Lyrics#Academic_study I hope that this solution works. I prepped the receiving article with 1 sentence about metaphor that i think should cover that block of drivel... Vinithehat (talk) 03:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- I sat down to give an earnest try at editing that blob. After I got 3 sentences in I gave up and started searching for something to redirect it to! Vinithehat (talk) 03:27, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Re:
editOk, thanks for the advertice. --by---->Javierito92 (Talk to me) 19:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
- And is more difficult when I patrol in 3 Huggle at the same time. --by---->Javierito92 (Talk to me) 19:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Why did you delete the CSD tag from Mallavoodoo? The article shows no indication of how the band is significant, and a Google search of the name turns up almost nothing substantial, other than a few websites where you can download some songs. Inks.LWC (talk) 03:26, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm just not convinced it's a CSD case. My Google search turned up enough indication that it may be a notable Brazilian band. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- The article makes no reference of notability though. Would you recommend that I simply nominate it for deletion instead of using CSD? Inks.LWC (talk) 03:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well, you'll have to, if you really want to move the article to deletion. You cannot replace a speedy tag once it's been contested. Or you could leave the article with its notability tag for a bit and see if others can add reliable sources. It's up to you, of course. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- I guess my understanding of the deletion process must not be what I thought it was. I thought {{prod}} allowed for a discussion of the article. What is the method that allows for discussion of the article before deletion? Inks.LWC (talk) 00:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well, you'll have to, if you really want to move the article to deletion. You cannot replace a speedy tag once it's been contested. Or you could leave the article with its notability tag for a bit and see if others can add reliable sources. It's up to you, of course. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- The article makes no reference of notability though. Would you recommend that I simply nominate it for deletion instead of using CSD? Inks.LWC (talk) 03:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Nice one, Shawn
editI think that someone like a semi professional writer could do some good work here and be an asset to the project, as you clearly are, best regards to you. Off2riorob (talk) 22:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, you too! (Now I've got a hankering for a glass of wine and some of that faux French indie rock. Fortunately, being in Montreal, I've got access to both, if the spirit moves me...) best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:16, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Steve Murdoch which you contributed to, is currently up for deletion
editYou are welcome to comment in this deletion discussion. Ikip (talk) 08:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I know. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:08, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Mallavoodoo
editAn article that you have been involved in editing, Mallavoodoo, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mallavoodoo. Thank you.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Inks.LWC (talk) 00:25, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Prod-2
editHello, Shawn à Montréal … I recently put a {{Prod-2}} on Haunting Kira (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) … perhaps you would care to add one to Amy Fedora (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), created some time ago by the same author. Happy Editing! — 138.88.125.101 (talk · contribs) 19:27, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not quite as sure about Amy, but I'm sure your prod will be successful. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Speedy deletion nomination of Pokémon Movie 13
editA tag has been placed on Pokémon Movie 13 requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, a "See also" section, book references, category tags, template tags, interwiki links, a rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content. You may wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}}
to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:19, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
The author has dePRODded this, so it will have to go to AfD if you want to pursue it. It certainly doesn't look notable, though I haven't researched it. I came on it because the author put on a "hangon" when he removed the PROD, which put into CAT:CSD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, John. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Fribbulus Xax's RfA
editAuthonomy
editI understand your concerns now that the page has progressed, but at the time I thought it was not very notable... I guess that my opinion is just that people should not put articles in the mainspace before they're ready, but I know lots of people don't agree with me. I'm trying to be careful (by prodding more often) but I just got told to speedy something that I prodded! I'm still trying to figure what's good and what isn't, but thanks for telling me.-- fetchcomms☛ 23:23, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- I know it's not a race; I just have a script running off new pages in my sidebar. As for creating articles, I don't really have time to commit to such a project, nor do I find great interest in articles that haven't already been created. If it's not big enough to already have an article about, it takes all the more time to fin sources for.-- fetchcomms☛ 23:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
BTW Shawn, FYI this is my comment in Task Force/Community health [1] for your reference:
- Individual report: I've been looking at some of the issues about and surrounding the impact of huge amounts of often undocumented, unexplained and frequently arbitrary implementation of policy in en.Wikipedia. This seems to me to be a large deterrent for a lot of people (myself included) and I was, I have to admit, quite astonished to discover the true extent of hostility and policy fetishism when I found an article I was creating on a website owned and operated by a subsidiary of NewsCorp, the world's largest (or 2nd largest depending on how you crunch the numbers) media business was speedied in less than a minute of its creation. This is not going to endear new users or relatively inexperienced users to WP (and it doesn't impress very experienced ones either).
- Deletionism appears to be rampant and reminiscent of the worst excesses of the French Revolution under Robespierre: the concept of Wikipedia is not paper (wherever that useful and informative collaborative essay by early users of en.WP has gone (and probably speedied by someone whose agenda it did not fulfill)) appears to have been thrown out and that anyone who can type a Speedy Delete tag can attempt to, and often does, destroy considerable useful work and effort put in by users. In any event the arbitrary speedy tag was spotted and amended by an alert user; one wonders however how often the checks fail. This overall appears to be a symptomatic trope of policy-centric vandalism rather than a constructive use of policy as enabling mechanism. I personally am considering my relationship with WP very carefully after that little contretemps and I may very well abandon any further involvement with en.WP. In any event if I do decide to continue I will be paying much closer attention to deletionism, and its friends, as central agents in affecting community health. Sjc 08:32, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Sjc (talk) 08:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Deletion of Fame Academy contestants
editMaybe i used the wrong template, how can i get some sort of discussion on deletion of the articles, because i don't think they're notable, other users agree with me. The administrators clearly don't, yet the articles are full of irrelevant information, and as one user put it, resemble some kind of advert. I think that you'll agree that both articles are extremely bad. The language used is inappropriate, the articles are too detailed. I am concerned as to how individuals with little or no discography and barely any media coverage can have a lengthy article, which clearly promotes the subject on a great site like Wikipedia. Why do articles for succesful musicians not seem to be as overblown and lenghty, such as the ones i've mentioned on the talk pages, i.e. Brett Anderson, Ian McCulloch, Mick Hucknall, Bobby Gillespie, Tim Burgess, Jay Kay etc. What's going wrong with wikipedia?PhilOak (talk) 03:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
G12
editVery well, I will.-- fetchcomms☛ 22:55, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
FYI
editFYI - re: SPIs it looks like the bots are down and you need to add a note yourself - see the infobox at the top of SPI. Thanks for all your good patrolling. 7 02:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks! Where would we be without bots? Frankly, the two socks were very much a one-time thing for their non-notable/hoax gang. They're gone anyway. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
November 2009
editWelcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:09, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Apologies for coming back.
editMay I make a suggestion? You are kinda wiki-interrrrogating Tracy right now. Technically it is wp:bite when you do it consecutively like that. I know you've been here longer then I have, however on ething I've learned when dealing with COI articles if you're low key in your questions you can find out very easy where the ocnflict comes from. I do agree it is probably PR or employee but s/he may also just be at work like I was in between my responses here. I apologize if it irks you I posted here. I thought since we comminucated our issues it might be possible to repair our wiki collaboration ability. If not I apologize. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for mentioning that. I was just about to remove my comments from the AfD -- in favour of my questions to her on her talk page. It doesn't belong on the AfD. But do you think I'm out of line in what I'm asking her? Please let me know. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- No not out of line is asking the question itself. it has merit. You went about it like a trial Lawyer or cop. Give them a chance to respond, There can be a few different ways you can prove it without a express admission ( WP:DUCK ). Look at the contrib History if few edits are made in anything but the subject matter, In most cases bingo. If not they may just be writing about a small company and just need the pointing the way to go. Obviously this person isn't accepting the pointing which isn't uncommon for newbies either. Most of the time you can let them hang themselves because after a few people comment on it they usually self disclose because they don't realize it's a no no. Being aggressive in questioning just invites dishonesty and gets their back up. I don't know if you hunt but sometimes if you are patient the animal goes right were you need them to go to prove your point.make a kill. I'm not suggesting it's a game just trying to explain with a illustration Hell In A Bucket (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd probably make a better lawyer than hunter. I think I just found the whole thing so egregious since it's the fricken' high and mighty Global Trust Council, after all. She's probably a low level staffer or contractee who has no clue she did anything wrong. I guess what irked me so is that she's been so adept at citing policy when it comes to her reception, but not much else. Thanks for the tip and come back anytime, please. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Great. I'm glad we could work that one out. Now we know both operate in good faith so feel free if you see my nom's are a bit off drop me a line. I don't always withdraw but in some cases I do and it is always good to have another set of eyes on nom's to save those we can. Cheers Hell In A Bucket (talk) 23:14, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- No not out of line is asking the question itself. it has merit. You went about it like a trial Lawyer or cop. Give them a chance to respond, There can be a few different ways you can prove it without a express admission ( WP:DUCK ). Look at the contrib History if few edits are made in anything but the subject matter, In most cases bingo. If not they may just be writing about a small company and just need the pointing the way to go. Obviously this person isn't accepting the pointing which isn't uncommon for newbies either. Most of the time you can let them hang themselves because after a few people comment on it they usually self disclose because they don't realize it's a no no. Being aggressive in questioning just invites dishonesty and gets their back up. I don't know if you hunt but sometimes if you are patient the animal goes right were you need them to go to prove your point.make a kill. I'm not suggesting it's a game just trying to explain with a illustration Hell In A Bucket (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for mentioning that. I was just about to remove my comments from the AfD -- in favour of my questions to her on her talk page. It doesn't belong on the AfD. But do you think I'm out of line in what I'm asking her? Please let me know. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
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Hi Shawn, I picked this article out for adding geocoordinates to, but I can't seem to find it. I know the address is 1025 Lucien l'Allier, which would seem to be at the corner of Boul. Rene-Levesque Ouest. Is this right? Another question that I just noticed - shouldn't the title be "Guaranteed Pure Milk bottle"?
Thanks in advance, PKT(alk) 21:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Rod Coneybeare and Bananas
editHmmmm. Doesn't ring a bell, particularly, but according to the citation it was a pretty short-lived series ("2 Jan-6 Feb 1969"), so it doesn't particularly surprise me that it wouldn't be particularly well-remembered. Sounds utterly bizarre, too..."The Blob, an electronically created pet "thing"; the Big Mouth, which spouted facts and information when fed wheelbarrows full of food; and an Official, Certified, Genuine, Grade-A Gorilla", and Alan Maitland?!? Learn something new every day, I guess. Bearcat (talk) 04:27, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
Thumbs up
editYo Shawn, just stopping by to say thanks for your work in patrolling new pages, keep it up! Regards, Skomorokh, barbarian 03:56, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'll try! thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 05:10, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
help?
editHi Shawn, can you point me to what I should read to understand how to use hotcat? Many thanks. --Epeefleche (talk) 03:19, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Gatineau Park invitation
editYou are receiving this invitation to join other editors working on the Gatineau Park article, because you participated in the AfD debates at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Politics of Gatineau Park, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Woodlands Preservation League and/or Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gatineau Park Protection Committee and have thus shown an interest in this subject. The greater the number of editors who participate in articles, the better the articles become. - Ahunt (talk) 18:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Paper and pulp industry in Dryden, Ontario
editFYI, since your vote I've cleaned up the Paper and pulp industry in Dryden, Ontario article a bit. It may not change your mind, but I thought I would let you know.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Humor warning
editDear Shawn in Montreal: Your edits have shown traces of a sense of humor, which is disruptive of the serious, somber, and relentlessly grim mood that so many other good people in all walks of life have exhibited just before burning out entirely. Be advised that if you continue on this present course, you run the risk of enjoying yourself while at work on this project, and you may even have a similar effect on other editors. Please consider very carefully whether you want to be responsible for such consequences. Thank you. This refers to your issuing free passes here. -- — Sebastian 21:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC) |
- Best warning ever. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:53, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks
editThis was really nice of you. Drmies (talk) 18:41, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
RfA thankspam
editHello, Shawn à Montréal! This is just a note thanking you for participating in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with a total of 93 support !votes, 1 oppose and 3 editors remaining neutral. While frankly overwhelmed by the level of support, I humbly thank the community for the trust it has placed in me, and vow to use the tools judiciously and without malice. |
Another User In Montreal!
editWe need to grab drinks sometime, when we are on a wikibreak -- Teamtheo (talk) 03:50, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Thx
editGood move. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:42, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Hope so. I may well get a note from TreasuryTag shortly excoriating me for same. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
- Of course you will. And if he had thanked you, believe I would have been the one excortiating. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Declining speedy deletions
editThank you for reviewing the speedy tags that another editor added to Karan Tacker. If you find that an editor has tagged an article incorrectly, it is often a good idea to leave a note on the editor's talk page. - Eastmain (talk) 00:26, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- I know, but this particular editor -- and others -- have left a deluge of mis-tags, IMO. It's pretty overwhelming. My main goal has been to get to them in time. Eastmain, is there a (semi)-automated way of placing such a notice on the user's talk page, could you tell me? thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- My apologies for not replying earlier. The tool is CSDH (which stands for CSD Helper). See User:Ale jrb/Scripts - Eastmain (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
- I was afraid of that: I have no expertise at all in installing scripts (and am unsure if this will even work with Mac OS, as Huggle does not). Could I ask your advice just once more: could you point me to a "scripts for dummies" type of page that explains in layman's terms how to go about this? If so, thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
- This is what my monobook.js file at User:Eastmain/monobook.js looks like:
- I was afraid of that: I have no expertise at all in installing scripts (and am unsure if this will even work with Mac OS, as Huggle does not). Could I ask your advice just once more: could you point me to a "scripts for dummies" type of page that explains in layman's terms how to go about this? If so, thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
- My apologies for not replying earlier. The tool is CSDH (which stands for CSD Helper). See User:Ale jrb/Scripts - Eastmain (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
// [[User:Lupin/popups.js]]
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'
+ 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lupin/popups.js'
+ '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
importScript('User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar.js');
importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js');
importScript('User:Ioeth/friendly.js');
importScript('User:AWeenieMan/furme.js');
importScript('User:Ale_jrb/Scripts/csdhelper.js'); //[[User:Ale_jrb/Scripts]]
Try Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts and Wikipedia:Tools/Greasemonkey user scripts. As well, User:Ale_jrb might be able to answer your questions, since he or she likes to write scripts. I am using Mac OS X version 10.4.11 with Firefox 3.5.7 with the scripts mentioned in the monobook.js file, but not with huggle. - Eastmain (talk) 01:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
You commented in the last Article for deletion discussion. This article is up for deletion again.
You are welcome to comment about the discussion for deletion. Ikip 04:09, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
re Documentary Organization of Canada
editThe whole thing was an advert, by an account likely associated with the organization. Best to start from scratch in your userspace. Cirt (talk) 06:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
- Any evidence that it will pass WP:ORG? A quick google: "Documentary Organization of Canada" isn't encouraging. LeadSongDog come howl 20:59, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- It's not as strong as I thought it would be, I must admit... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- I've withdrawn the request. I just don't see the third-party coverage I expected to, at this time. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:22, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
- It's not as strong as I thought it would be, I must admit... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:17, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Re: Loss of content during redirect of Academy Award, Best Short Subject, One-reel
editI'm sure what I was doing made sense to me at the time, but right now I have no idea what I was thinking. Thanks for your correction! -RunningOnBrains(talk) 20:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello!
editAre you interested to be involved in Wikimania? In 2011, we want m:Wikimania 2011 to be in Montréal. Are you interested to be involved? --FA
Hello. You're almost certainly right about the article. I did much of the work on it, but I am afraid the reason there was so little about his later Canadian career is because I know nothing about Canada and it wasn't really covered very much in any of the sources I had to hand. I'm sorry you feel it's a hagiography, I did try and include some criticism of him from the likes of Don Taylor, etc. But certainly if there is extra information that can be included about his later time in Canada, it should certainly be included - I am afraid I just can't do much about it myself as it's something I know nothing about. Sorry. Angmering (talk) 06:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
- So can you recommend any particularly good Canadian sources that might help expand the article? Back when I was first trying to get it up to featured level I did ask for help on the Canadian Wikipedian noticeboard, here, but sadly didn't get any replies. Angmering (talk) 09:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. Although I am wary of writing about something I know so little about, it's clearly an important part of Newman's career that needs addressing. I shall give it a go and see what I can do. Angmering (talk) 15:59, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
- A pointless observation, but it made me smile - due to your encouragement I have been finding out all sorts of things about Canadian film-making, which I previously knew nothing about, and I see from your contributions today you've ended up writing about Norwich... which is where I live! It's a small world... Angmering (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
- That is funny. And someone's trying to delete Norwich Market! Can you believe it? The nerve.... best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
- A pointless observation, but it made me smile - due to your encouragement I have been finding out all sorts of things about Canadian film-making, which I previously knew nothing about, and I see from your contributions today you've ended up writing about Norwich... which is where I live! It's a small world... Angmering (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
One California Day
editThanks for your work on this article. Rpyle731talk 07:11, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
RFA
editHello Shawn à Montréal. You are receiving this notice because you have either supported or posted constructive suggestions during my recent self-nominated RFA, submitted on 18-01-2010. Please do spend a few minutes to read my comments on the nomination, and feel free to respond on the relevant talkpage for any further comments or questions. Thank you for participating. Regards. Rehman(+) 15:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC) |
Re: Neuras
editHaving tracks on DDR is a claim to notability, isn't it? DDR X has an article on WP, where Neuras is mentioned. I've seen speedy nominations declined for less... XXX antiuser eh? 18:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with you that the notability of the subject is spotty, but that's enough to make it evade a speedy deletion. If the PROD doesn't stick, maybe just redirect/merge it to Dance Dance Revolution X as suggested by WP:BAND? XXX antiuser eh? 20:03, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar
editThe Article Rescue Barnstar | ||
Thanks for your good work on Norwich Marketplace DES (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2010 (UTC) |
- Thanks, DES, that's very thoughtful... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Talkback
editMessage added 03:58, 1 February 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
Civility
editHello. I am writing to you regarding your two recent communications with me, which I view as bordering on being a bit uncivil. I'd request that you review Wikipedia:Uncivil#Avoiding_incivility as well as these two diffs: [2] [3]. While disagreement is healthy as part of the editing process, it is the rudeness of your method of communication to which I object. Please feel free to disagree with the content of my edits, while remaining civil and making editing an enjoyable task for all involved. Thank you. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
- I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm sorry if I have offended you. It's not going to stop me from disagreeing with you when I think you've said or done something flat-out wrong. BTW, your accusation that User:Igwwgi was in a WP:COI was also way out of line, IMO. But I resisted commenting on it to avoid further interaction with you. Was this accusation leveled simply because he was in an edit war with you over False Creek Ferries and is a member of the SHIPS WikiProject? If so -- if that's really all it is -- then that's unacceptable. Look, I have no wish to cause stress, so let's stay out of each other's ways, but I strongly believe you have a some pretty big gaps in your knowledge of deletion and COI policy, at the very least. best, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- I haven't asked you to stop disagreeing with me. I just asked you to do so in a civil tone. Since you asked about User:Igwwgi without understanding the full context, let me give you a bit of background. That user has had a strong history of COI editing regarding ferries in the Vancouver area (both promoting False Creek Ferries and trying to change listings of their competitors in COI ways). His first account was blocked: [4] and then the current account was created. He also has admitted the affiliation: [5] I won't go into full details because I'm sure it isn't of interest to you. You were just trying to explain why you have a negative view of my editing, and I appreciate you letting me know - even if it was based on limited information from a quick overview of a few days. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 04:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
- Again, I reject the notion that anything I said to you was "uncivil," but I see from the diffs that a COI situation may have existed with False Creek Ferries, and I withdraw those comments. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:35, 3 February
- I haven't asked you to stop disagreeing with me. I just asked you to do so in a civil tone. Since you asked about User:Igwwgi without understanding the full context, let me give you a bit of background. That user has had a strong history of COI editing regarding ferries in the Vancouver area (both promoting False Creek Ferries and trying to change listings of their competitors in COI ways). His first account was blocked: [4] and then the current account was created. He also has admitted the affiliation: [5] I won't go into full details because I'm sure it isn't of interest to you. You were just trying to explain why you have a negative view of my editing, and I appreciate you letting me know - even if it was based on limited information from a quick overview of a few days. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 04:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
The article Paul Dengelegi has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- He is not notable. No sources for minor career as author. No reason to think he is more notable than 1,000s of others in prison for drug offenses.
While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
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will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Steve Dufour (talk) 04:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)2010 (UTC)
Not sure if it's also worth noting, but there is an OTRS permissions template on the talk page. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 17:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Pallister, Pennefather and Perlman
editI did think that seemed rather odd, and strange that an animation career wasn't mentioned in any other source! But then I thought "Well, they probably know more about it than I do..." I should have trusted my first instinct, I suppose! Angmering (talk) 18:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, really sloppy work on Pallister's part. Sheesh. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the Maple Leaf award, very kind of you! I just wanted to add a NFB Chair succession box to the Newman article, but it didn't seem right to do so when the people either side of him would have been redlinks... and once I'd done those two, it seemed wrong not to try and do the full set of them! Hopefully they're not too handicapped by my knowing almost nothing about the NFB and / or Canadian film, and hopefully yourself and others with more knowledge than I of such things will be able to continue to add to and expand them! Thanks again! Angmering (talk) 21:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
my categories
editAny particular reason, your selecting my categories for deletion nominations. It seems a little trollish.--Levineps (talk) 20:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you feel that way. You've created 1000s of very useful categories and overall I'd say that's a truly excellent success rate. But there are a few here and there that are faulty, imo, and I see from past discussions that I'm by no means the first to bring these problems up. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:54, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
- Considering Levineps was banned from all category work, it's a good idea to revisit his category edits. Auntie E. (talk) 04:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
CfD nomination of Category:Documentary films about HIV/AIDS
editI have nominated Category:Documentary films about HIV/AIDS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Documentaries about HIV and AIDS (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:34, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
CfD nomination of Category:Indigenous awards
editI have nominated Category:Indigenous awards (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for renaming to Category:Awards honoring indigenous people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Category:Convicted book-thieves
editSince your proposed speedy-renaming of Category:Convicted book-thieves was contested (by me and one other editor), I have listed it for a full discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 12#Category:Convicted_book-thieves. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi, can you take a second look at this FAR and see if there's anything else to be done? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 16:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- I did leave a comment there weeks ago stating that from my pov, it's fine. I have had no prior involvement with FARs, but my concerns were certainly met, as I stated at the time. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
CfD nomination of Category:Acadian film
editI have nominated Category:Acadian film (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 06:08, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Just after doing some tweaks to the article, I went to the AFD and was going to suggest a redirect to You Can't Do That on Television where she is written of in context with the show for which she has her notability. I found your withdrawal, but want to assure you it was not a bad nomination. While we can certainly verify her roles, she never got much press outside the show itself, and now that she has grown up, she's left show biz behind her. It is always going to be a problematic BLP and a redirect could better serve. So I came here to get your input. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:01, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
African American players of Canadian football
editI appreciate the sorting you have done at Category:African American players of Canadian football, but you need sources to add ethnicity categories. I've just begun sorting them, but I saw that you included this category with no source for Margene Adkins. If you wish to re-add this or any other ethnicity/race category, please include a source.--TM 22:15, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
My friend, you found zero hits because the article's author used the incorrect title. I made note of this at the AFD, but have not had the time yet to add sources to the article.
Best regards, --Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
CfDs
editI have nominated XXXX for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks. Your wikipedian slave is ready to answer to all your desires (I answered to a lot of your CfD yesterday). Personally, I have no personal life, only answer to a lot of CfD in the same day. I think this rythm is an abuse. --Nopetro (talk) 10:12, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
- You know what? You're the second person in as many weeks to take this tone with me and I don't care anymore. You want to be a "slave" to something, Nopetro? Be a slave to understanding how categories work. And as for the rest of us, we have nothing better to do than to waste time cleaning up your crap. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:56, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Nopetro/Mac
editI'm pretty sure these are the same user. If user continues to be unresponsive, I would be happy to join you on ANI or wherever for sanctions, noting that this is the same stubbornness that got User:Mac blocked. Cool Hand Luke 14:30, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you!
editShawn in Montreal - Thank for your participation and support in my RfA.
I can honestly say that your comments and your trust in me are greatly appreciated.
Please let me know if you ever have any suggestions for me as an editor, or comments based on my admin actions.
Thank you! 7 23:26, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
You're invited!
editHello, Shawn in Montreal,
You are invited meet with your fellow Wikipedians by attending the Montréal meetup scheduled on Sunday, June 27, 2010; between 1500 - 1700 to be held at the Comité Social Centre Sud (CSCS), located at 1710 Beaudry, in Montréal. You can sign up at the meetup page.
The meetup is happening in concurrence with RoCoCo 2010, a free, bilingual, weekend unconference including many people involved with Wikis both within the Wikipedia/Wikimedia Community and abroad. You do not need to attend the conference to sign up for the Wikimeetup, but you are certainly welcome! Bastique ☎ call me!
(PS: Please share this with those you know who might not be on the delivery list, i.e. Users in Montreal/Quebec)
Delivered by SoxBot (talk) 00:49, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Category:Saint Petersburg Pedestrian zones
editI've proposed an alternate name at WP:CFD/S. I'd appreciate it if you would share your thoughts. Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding so quickly. I've moved it to process. Cheers, -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Barnstar for you
editThe Special Barnstar | ||
Thanks for your efforts in cleaning up after Mac/Nopetro/Nudecline... Johnfos (talk) 02:36, 12 June 2010 (UTC) |
- Thanks, Johnfos. I would never say this, but god knows it feels like I've earned this one the hard way. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:50, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
re: Category:Documentaries about aviation
editNo probs - I was just about to leave a message too! Lugnuts (talk) 18:06, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Very surprised this morning to find this article on the front page - I have no idea who got it put there, but I do know it wouldn't have been good enough for it had you not prompted me into improving it, and helped so much in doing so. Nice to see it there. Cheers! Angmering (talk) 09:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
AfD nomination of Darius Goes West
editAn editor has nominated Darius Goes West, an article which you have created or worked on, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also "What Wikipedia is not").
Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darius Goes West and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).
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