Snaudrey
Welcome!
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Hi Snaudrey and welcome to Wikipedia! I've written some advice for past students in your class at Longy which you might find helpful. You'll find it here. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page (User talk:Voceditenore), or place {{helpme}} here on your talk page, ask your question, and another editor will come along to help. You might also be interested in WikiProject Classical music, WikiProject Composers, and WikiProject Opera. They have various guidelines for articles in this area and talk pages where you can ask advice from editors experienced in writing articles on classical music and related subjects. You'll find these guides particularly useful: WikiProject Composers: Guide to online research and WikiProject Composers: Copyright guidelines. Happy editing and best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
The Teahouse
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Hi. Me again. I wanted to let you know about another resource for beginners—Wikipedia's Teahouse. It's a place providing great support for new editors. You can ask questions (no question is too basic) and get helpful answers and advice from experienced editors. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 07:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Article ideas
editHi Snaudrey! Keacord must think I'm crazy. :) Yesterday, I mistakenly answered your question on her talk page. Anyhow, here's the answer I meant to send you... Take a look here for places to look for "missing articles" to be created or stubs that need expansion into proper articles. Another thing you could do is check the articles on your favourite composers. Many of them list their works either in the article itself, or in separate spin-off pages. See, for example, Aaron Copland#Selected works. Any compositions that don't have a blue link can be made into an article. Biographies are fairly easy to write and research, and you can be sure that if they're listed at Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics, they will definitely have sufficient secondary coverage. If you chose to write about a particular composition, it's best to choose one which has contemporary recordings as the reviews can supply a fair amount of information about the work. Hope that helps and let me know how you are getting on with choosing a topic. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:29, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Sources for George Longy
editHi. Re my message to you on my talk page, here are some sources for creating an article about Georges Longy...
- The Harvard Concise Dictionary of Music and Musicians, p. 380
- Perspectives on American Music 1900-1950, p. 4 and passim
- Greater Boston: Adapting Regional Traditions to the Present, p. 118
- Works by and about Georges Longy on WorldCat
Plus, I'm sure there must be a lot of material in the Longy library. But even just using the sources I've listed, you (or any of your classmates who are interested) can create a concise, but informative, well-written, well-referenced article which fills a real gap in Wikipedia's coverage—what I'm sure Professor Jackson wants you all to aim for. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:16, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
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edit - Hi ! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
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edit - Hi ! We're so happy you wanted to play to learn, as a friendly and fun way to get into our community and mission. I think these links might be helpful to you as you get started.
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November 2014
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Copyright problems at Joaquín Turina
editHi Snaudrey. Unfortunately, I've had to remove your additions a second time. Large swathes of your text are identical (or virtually identical) to this page on joaquinturina.com. Take a look at the Duplication Detector Report which compares your version to the source text. Everything in bold text is an exact duplicate. This is a copyright infringement, and is not allowed on Wikipedia. This also applies to simply taking the source text and its structure and changing a few words here and there or leaving out some phrases or sentences, i.e. close paraphrasing. You need to build up the article gradually, using entirely your own words. Below are some links which you'll find helpful for avoiding this problem in the future:
- WikiProject Opera Copyright guidelines and especially this section and this one.
- Wikipedia:Copy-paste
- Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing
Hope this helps. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Suggestions for Joaquín Turina
edit- Hi, me again. Sorry my reply has been so late. I've been in the US for Thanksgiving and only got back to London yesterday. Re your question on my talk page. You need to phrase things in your own words. Wikipedia doesn't allow extensive quotation of text from copyright sources. At most only a sentence or two and even those must be justified. More about this policy here. I'll get back to you tomorrow with some suggestions as to how to take the article forward. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:41, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- My two main suggestions are to make smaller improvements to the article and to use more than one source. Unless you are very skilled at proper paraphrasing, using a single source greatly increases the risk of close paraphrasing, i.e. improper paraphrasing, and also leads to a very one-sided view of the subject. I've added two reference to the article with links to their pages on Google books (most of which are visible, at least in the UK). The print copies may also be in the Longy library:
- Marco, Tomás (1993). Spanish Music in the Twentieth Century.
- Draayer, Suzanne Rhodes (2009). Art Song Composers of Spain: An Encyclopedia
- The previous reference I had added—Romero, Justo (2004). Liner Notes: Joaquín Turina (1882–1949): Piano Music, Vol. 1—is also very useful, especially for discussing his musical style and works chronology. I suggest you use these as your sources for further expansion with the biography on joaquinturina.com] as a back-up only.
- One thing you could do is separate out the last paragraph (beginning with "His works include...") with its own heading Music and expand the commentary there. For example, he was a very noted composer of art song, which is given short shrift in the article. Much has been written about his approach to incorporating Spanish musical idiom in his work and on his style in general, including its strengths and weaknesses. This is also lacking in the article.
- Another possibility, is to separate out a section at the beginning of biography to Early years where you discuss his family background and his musical education prior to Paris. The material between that section and Music could be entitled Paris and Madrid and can always be expanded in the future.
- A third possibility is to expand and rationalize the list of works in the article. The current one has three major problems. First, it excludes many of his important works because it relies solely on those scores available at IMSLP. Secondly, it gives no indication of each work's type. Thirdly, it gives no indication of the date of their composition. Listing them alphabetically, is not a good way to go. If you do decide to concentrate on improving the works list, I suggest using List of compositions by Claude Debussy by genre as a model, although in this case, the list would not be a separate article, but rather continue to appear in the Selected works section of Joaquín Turina.
- Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hi. I had a look at User:Snaudrey/sandbox. From a copyright point of view, it seems reasonably OK. But you are still way too dependent on a single source (even down to reproducing their section titles) and you need to integrate what you want to add into the existing article so that the other information and references are not lost. Don't simply over-write what is already there. You also need to check your facts very carefully and be aware that the English version of the joaquinturina.com site is not idiomatic. "Royal Theater of Madrid" is the Teatro Real in Madrid and in English reference works is always referred to by its Spanish name, not a translation. More importantly, Turina's first opera was called La Sulamita (not "La Salumita") and it was never performed. His third opera Jardín de oriente premiered at the Teatro Real. His second opera (and the first to be performed), Margot, premiered at the Teatro de la Zarzuela in Madrid. Best. Voceditenore (talk) 19:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)