User talk:Sophie/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Re. alignment

yea, it does look in line and it is what i mean, did the -x-X thing on User:Sophie/altnosymbol but still looks wonky, im guessing its because of the shadow on the bottom and the middle has like a ~ line. Btw, what do you think of {{alt}}? Sophie(: 12:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought this might clarify;

Re. the template, I think it's OK, but I'm not sure it is worth the efforts; isn't it easier to just hold down the ALT key and pressing e.g. 3-0 on the numeric pad for ▲? Or do you think the template makes it more readable in wikitext?  Chzz  ►  14:23, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Maybe a different image wout work better - try User:Escape Orbit/Icons.  Chzz  ►  14:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Reply to message on my talk

Hi there :-)

Re. the message that you left on my talk page...please don't write claims like that on Wikipedia itself. I will certainly check into it, and I'll let you know - but don't write about it on-wiki because claiming such things about a person can be libellous. In future, email instead to functionaries-en@lists.wikimedia.org - but in this case, I will check into it and let you know. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  17:30, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Help

{{help}} How can i get the brown padlock icon in PNG from the page here - Sophie ^(Talk) 08:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, unfortunately there's no way to display an old version of an image on an article/user page. If you want to use the old version of the image on a page then the only way you do it is by clicking on the old version of the image to view it and then saving it to your computer and uploading it as a separate, new image. Sometimes however a search for other images may also find what you need, for example in this case there are many different images of padlocks available on Wikipedia (see here). Good luck finding the image you need! - EdoDodo ^talk 08:55, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Well after re-reading your question I think I completely missed the point of it... sorry. Getting a PNG version of an old SVG image is also not possible on Wikipedia, however if you save the SVG version (here in this case) to your computer then there are many tools that will allow you to change it to PNG. One example of a fairly simple online tool that will do this is here. - EdoDodo ^talk 09:06, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh ok :) Sophie ^(Talk) 12:09, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Help pt 2

{{help}}

How do I change the indervidual background colours, fonts and their colours to the table below. For example

• make "header 1" have a green font
• make "row 1, cell 2" have a yellow background.

header 1	header 2	header 3
row 1, cell 1	row 1, cell 2	row 1, cell 3
row 2, cell 1	row 2, cell 2	row 2, cell 3

You can do this using the style parameter of a wikitable. This code:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! style="color:green" | header 1
! header 2
! header 3
|-
| row 1, cell 1
| style="background:yellow" | row 1, cell 2
| row 1, cell 3
|-
| row 2, cell 1
| row 2, cell 2
| row 2, cell 3
|}

displays this:

header 1	header 2	header 3
row 1, cell 1	row 1, cell 2	row 1, cell 3
row 2, cell 1	row 2, cell 2	row 2, cell 3

There is further help on this at Help:Table#Color; scope of parameters. Please let me know if there are any more questions. Thanks! --Mysdaao ^talk 12:18, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want to change something (background, font, font color, etc.) for just a single cell then before that cell place      style="<style information here>" |      before the cell you want to change. In your example this would give the code:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! style="color:green" | header 1
! header 2
! header 3
|-
| row 1, cell 1
| style="background:yellow" | row 1, cell 2
| row 1, cell 3
|-
| row 2, cell 1
| row 2, cell 2
| row 2, cell 3
|}

This code would show up as:

header 1	header 2	header 3
row 1, cell 1	row 1, cell 2	row 1, cell 3
row 2, cell 1	row 2, cell 2	row 2, cell 3

In this example only one cell would be changed, if you wanted to change a whole row, or a whole column then you would have to place the style information in different places. You can read more about how tables work at Help:Tables, and if you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask me. Good luck and happy editing! - EdoDodo ^talk 12:28, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... seems we both wrote the same thing, guess I should have checked for other replies before starting to write :P. - EdoDodo ^talk 12:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you :-)

Thanks for the positive comments Sophie. Very much appreciated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottPAnderson (talk • contribs) 13:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Changing a barnstar's giver

While I appreciate what you were trying to do with this edit, that is not the way to give a barnstar. You should not replace someone else's signature with your own. Instead, if you want to give a barnstar to someone, go to Wikipedia:Barnstars, choose one, and add the text that you see next to that barnstar. Let me know if you have any questions on this. Thanks! --Mysdaao ^talk 13:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Mysdaao, it was fine - simply that Sophie changed username from "Sghfdhdfghdfgfd" to "Sophie" a couple weeks ago; I can understand your confusion, but, it's fine. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  18:29, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Auto-archiving

Hi,

I've set up this page for auto-archiving, as discussed.

Normally, I prefer to explain how to do stuff, but in the case of archive set-up, it's easier to just do it for you. The voodoo to make it work is here; the bot should come along within about a day and kick things off. Note the automatic archive box at the top; I had to rearrange other things a bit, but you can play around with the layout later.

It's set 7 days (7d), you might want to change that. Note that a) it won't archive very small threads or things with no sigs in (ie no date) - you can cut those yourself and paste 'em into the archive page if you want.

So - that's about it; no action required, just let the bot do its thing, and - if I've done it correctly - all should be well. If it goes wrong, of course, give me a shout. Cheers!  Chzz  ►  17:52, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Page blanking

When Hasharma (talk · contribs) blanked WAITING ROOM SOLUTIONS, this should have been interpreted as a legitimate request on the part of the page's author to have the page deleted. Tagging the page with {{db-author}} would have been a more appropriate response than reverting the edit as vandalism. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh ok, as i cant see who the author was, it looked like vandlism (and cause db-g7 wasnt added Sophie ^(Talk) 15:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

You could see who the author was by checking the page history. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:08, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I cant in huggle Sophie ^(Talk) 15:09, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

If the tool causes you to tag pages badly, then don't use the tool. Although I have never heard anyone use this excuse before, so I suspect you may not be using the tool correctly. (By the way, the page history is available to anyone, no matter what tool they're using, from the page's main navigation buttons. I would find it hard to believe that Huggle would disable this feature.) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 16:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Huggle

Hi Sophie, always good to see another anti-vandal! I'm Jeffrey Mall and I used to Huggle quite a lot a while back, for future reference, you can view a page's history in Huggle by clicking the "Page" tab and then clicking "Show history page". Author page blankings are a fairly common occurrence and is picked up by the tool regularly, but don't be put off by this, I've made this exact mistake of revert-warning G7's in the past, it happens. If you're not sure about a revert my advice would be to either skip the diff and let another user handle it (there are usually several Hugglers on at any one time) or view the page history and confirm that the user who blanked the page isn't the main contributor of a new page. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 17:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh, ok, i didnt know about that as iv not used huggle for very long. i revered it cause it was just blank (with out the db-g7 tag) and looked like vandlism Sophie ^(Talk) 18:42, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

That's fine, anyway, we don't expect anyone to be perfect and we all make and have made mistakes on here somewhere along the way. Regardless, you're doing a great job helping keep the 'pedia clean of Vandalism and it's appreciated by all the Wikipedia community. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 19:15, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Message on HNich86's talk page

Hi again. Just to let you know the {{Hangon}} tag is only used on pages that have been nominated for speedy deletion. As the article was only proposed for deletion the deletion tag can be removed by anyone for any reason if they object to the deletion of th page. As such I've reverted your edit to the TuTuMUCH page. Let me know if you have any questions regarding this. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 22:12, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh ok, i thought that proposed deletions had to be discussed Sophie ^(Talk) 22:14, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

I think you're thinking of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, this is where it is decided whether articles are to be kept or deleted based on consensus. Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 22:17, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Shoving rudely in with my two-pennorth The heirarchy, sort of in order of speed and ease of deletion, is:

1. Speedy deletion: Has to match a strictly-defined set of criteria. Articles tagged for speedy deletion are listed here. Admins go through the list and either delete straight away, decline deletion as the article doesn't meet the criteria, work on the article themselves, apply a different deletion tag, etc.
2. Proposed deletion: A {{prod}} tag means that the article doesn't meet the speedy deletion criteria closely enough, but the editor placing the tag reckons that the article is not worth keeping and has proposed it for deletion (the prod tag should give a reason). If the tag remains in place for 7 days the article goes on a list for immediate deletion. A prod tag, if removed, shouldn't be replaced as removal is taken as a statement that the proposed deletion is disagreed with. If a prod tag is simply removed with no improvement to the article, the article often is proposed for AfD, but the prod tag still shouldn't be replaced.
3. Articles for Deletion : AfD (sometimes still referred to as VfD - votes for deletion) is a full discussion on whether an article should be deleted. These are listed daily with the lists starting at WP:AFD. The discussions generally last for seven days at least (though not always) with deletion/not-deletion decided by consensus (not a vote per se, which is why it isn't called VfD any more).

Cheers, Tonywalton ^Talk 00:19, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}} can you reword the above so it makes a bit more sence for me, remember I'm 13 thx Sophie ^(Talk) 11:52, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Apologies if I was unclear - best I could do at 1:20 am :) Tonywalton ^Talk 16:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep; gimmie about 10 mins or so? And I will do so, right here. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  12:04, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

My attempt at a simpler explanation...sorry it took a bit longer than 10 mins...

There are three ways that an article can be deleted

1. Speedy deletion, commonly called CSD (because of the shortcut WP:CSD "Criteria for speedy deletion". 'Criteria' = the reason)

• This is for REALLY OBVIOUS stuff, that doesn't need discussion.

PROCESS:

• Someone 'tags' the article for CSD.
• The AUTHOR of the article cannot remove the tag. If they do, put it back and warn them, {{subst:uw-speedy1}}
• As soon as possible, an admin will check it. If it meets the CSD criteria, they delete. If it does not, they remove the tag and explain why in the edit summary.

The criteria - the reason, the code numbers - are things like "G7" ("author requests deletion", something you wrote and don't want any more), "A1" ( a totally blank article), "A7" ("no indication of importance", e.g. "Billy is 9 and goes to a nice school"). These are all covered in detail in WP:CSD.

Speedy deletion is only for really obvious cases

2. Proposed deletion, commonly called PROD

• For deleting things that, although they aren't really obvious (CSD), they probably won't cause arguments. So, this is for fairly obvious stuff.

PROCESS:

• Someone puts {{PROD|reasoning}} on the article. The reason should be clear, and preferably policy-based. Such as, {{PROD|This is just a Dictionary definition; there are no reliable sources and I cannot find any, so it is not notable.}}
• Anyone can remove the PROD - they do not have to explain why. There is nothing wrong with removing it; 'PROD' is for deletions that nobody disagrees with.
• If the PROD is not removed within 7 days, an admin will check it, and if they also agree, they'll delete it.

3. Articles for Deletion, (WP:AFD) - for everything else, we discuss it. People state their opinions, and an admin looks at them. The consensus might be to delete it, merge it, redirect it, keep it, or whatever.

I hope this is a bit clearer...please tell me if it isn't. Maybe we could even work this up into a clear 'help' page or something, because I know that it is an area that confuses lots of people.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  13:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of TuTuMUCH

An article that you have been involved in editing, TuTuMUCH, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TuTuMUCH. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message.   — Jeff G. ツ 18:42, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Im not sure if im involved or not, i only revered an edit using huggle, didnt actully help with the article. Sophie ^(Talk) 18:48, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

That's ok, I wanted to be fair and notify all of the editors of that page. Regarding your edit to that page, please note that {{hangon}} is only for pages undergoing WP:XFDWP:CSD, not WP:PROD or WP:CSDWP:XFD.   — Jeff G. ツ 19:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC) Updated   — Jeff G. ツ 00:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh, ok, see above :) Sophie ^(Talk) 19:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Please also note that removed WP:PROD templates should not be replaced, as is, they should be left alone or upgraded to contested PROD WP:XFDs.   — Jeff G. ツ 19:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Wait, isn't hangon for CSD, not XFD? —fetch·comms 19:39, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes. PeterSymonds (talk) 19:53, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I don't know what I was thinking.   — Jeff G. ツ 00:18, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

table1

{{help}} not sure how to get the table in this to show

I fixed it for you. I honestly don't think it's supposed to require you to do this, but it works so whatever. It looks like the table was confusing the parser for the template. So what I did was use {{(}} for any { and used {{)}} for any } and used {{!}} for any | in the table, and everything seemed to work out fine. Those templates are useful to use whenever the parser is having trouble figuring out what things are. All they do is return the three characters I replaced, respectively. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 13:28, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Sophie. You have new messages at Crazysane's talk page.
Message added 13:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-- Matthew Glennon (^T/_C\^D) 13:05, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

• By the way, if you are still a little confused on the delete thing.. take a look at at this. It should help a bit. -- Matthew Glennon (^T/_C\^D) 13:13, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Black Ribbon

Hello, Sophie. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Graphic_Lab/Illustration_workshop#Black_Ribbon.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Completefailure (talk) 16:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Time

{{help}} can parser functions incluce grater and less than?

iv been playing with {{#ifeq:{{#time:g:i}}|9:05|its 9:05am|its not time am}} and i wondered if the BELOW was possiable

{{#ifeq:{{#time:g:i}}|>9:05|its 9:05am|its not time am}}

Sophie ^(Talk) 09:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they can. I'm not good with functions, but this is what I use in my editnotice: {{#ifexpr: {{CURRENTHOUR}}>20 | I am probably at school right now, | {{#ifexpr: {{CURRENTHOUR}}>10 | I am probably asleep right now, | {{#ifexpr: {{CURRENTHOUR}}>4 | I may be busy, | I am probably at school right now, }} }} }}, for example. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 11:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh ok :) cause you said school, can I ask how old you are? Sophie ^(Talk) 12:10, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Email sent. {{Sonia|talk|simple}} 12:23, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

replied :) Sophie ^(Talk) 12:48, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Block ID

{{adminhelp}} is it possiable to search for block id's

like 1234567

Sophie ^(Talk) 09:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

You can go to Special:BlockList and input "#1234567" instead of a name. Should work fine :-) Regards SoWhy 09:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

that dont seam to work, see this Sophie ^(Talk) 09:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, there is no such block id. Test it with #1943872. Amalthea 10:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

ahh ok :) would you know why there isn't a #1234567 cause that's lower 231234567 Sophie ^(Talk) 12:17, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Special:BlockList only lists active blocks, and those autoblocks expire after 24 hours and just aren't listed there anymore. Special:Log|type=block doesn't list autoblocks. I'm not aware of a way to list an expired autoblock, short of a database query. Amalthea 14:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Your speedy deletion nomination of Sicilian lemonade

Just a quick note to let you know that I changed the criterion under which this article was filed from A7 to G11, as it appears to be advertising a product, but since the subject of the article is a product, it's not eligible for A7. Just thought I'd let you know. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 14:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for pitching in, but...

Sophie, your enthusiasm is appreciated, but you need to pay closer attention. You marked Ornella_Barra as done, and it hasn't been started. Chevymontecarlo didn't know how to find the article, so I posted a link to it. No one has reviewed it. You marked others as done simply because you didn't know how to find them.--SPhilbrickT 20:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Sphilbrick; will sort that out (and check, etc). Am talking to Sophie and others right now in IRC and working on the backlog; thanks for spotting that issue. Will check all.  Chzz  ►  20:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Finding articles when the editor doesn't know how to link

I see we have some new participants in WP:FEED. Welcome. This forum is often understaffed, so anyone that wants to help out is welcome.

Almost everyone who asks for help is new to Wikipedia, and many do not know how to post a link to their draft article. When they don't we usually find it for them, and simply comment on it, sometimes including a proper link in the response.

If you don't know how to find it, here's how (this assumes you have Navigation popups installed; if you don't you will want it, Go to Preferences, Gadgets and look for "Navigation Popups")  :

1. If they know enough to sign their user name, you can hover the mouse over their name, and find "contributions". In that page, it should be easy to find
2. If they don't sign and sinebot signed for them, it is even easier, because sinebot leaves a link to their contributions in the sig.
3. If sinebot hasn't signed yet, then click on the history of the Feedback page, it is usually easy to figure out who asked the question, and there will be a link to contributions next to their name. (The only exception is an IP, but an IP can't create a page. If they created it with a user name, but are now posting as an IP, you have to ask for their user name)--SPhilbrickT 21:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

"Done" tag

To Chzz and Sophie When a user asked a question at the help desk, it is common to place a "Done" image on the page, so that others coming along to help can skip over it. I see the situation differently at Feedback. While we very rarely have more than one person providing feedback, that's because the place is generally understaffed. It is very rare than any one person's feedback completely answers all questions the editor might have. Consequently, I don;t see many cases where a "done" image is warranted. I Understand that Chzz is trying to think through the archiving issues, but I'm not sure that adding a "done" tag is the right approach.--SPhilbrickT 21:26, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

used the done tag to show chzz it was ready for manual archive Sophie ^(Talk) 21:28, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Still a G Thang article

The We Just Wanna Party with You song was made before Snoop Dogg's next song Still a G Thang was made. The We Just Wanna Play with You song is a single by Snoop Dogg and Jermaine Dupri. 69.115.214.211 (talk) 22:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

ah yea, i realised after reading the page while reverting, had lots of yellow boxes at the top and im still learning what they all mean, soz for any inconvience Sophie ^(Talk) 22:19, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

G7

Here's another one, blanked by the author. No worries, I tagged it accordingly. Cheers, Jeffrey Mall (talk • contribs) - 00:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Huggle

Hey there. Just a note to ask that you double check before reverting using huggle, and make sure you aren't restoring vandalism before hitting the button. Thanks. Ale_Jrb^talk 12:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

yea someone else vandlised the page, and it said something aboute reverting to a revert so i was a little confused about it Sophie ^(Talk) 12:03, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries. No harm done. :) Ale_Jrb^talk 12:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Prince of Persia

Why do you keep deleting the new plot information I've added to Prince of Persia article? I basically expanded the whole plot information and you keep deleting it as vandalism without any changes to the content and without appreciating the new information I wrote? Perhaps you should just take a look at the article and stop using the framework for undoing vandalism? I'm going to include my edit once again. wlodi (talk) 14:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

from what i see using huggle, it dont look like expanding, looks like removing, see this edit. as iv having a problem scrolling, i cant see underneeth so if there is stuff, sorry in advance. Sophie ^(Talk) 14:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

It's because it's a major rework of the entire section, so I guess that's why it "looks" like this. A quick research would make it clear I didn't delete the entire section as "vandalism", for example "prevents further casualties from both sides." is in the both columns, but Wikipedia shows it as deleted. Maybe it's because I used the paragraph sign to format the entire section? I really don't know, but I think you should read the actual text than just look at the first layout of columns before deciding it's a vandalism. Well, now it makes sense that you wrote about problems with scrolling. Please make sure you don't flag other people's work as vandalism because of this. wlodi (talk) 14:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Bird edits

Hi Sophie, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Birds#Diet_Of_Frogs_And_Rodents_vandal_again for information about this vandal. Your first revert of him at Golden Vireo was correct. Thanks, First Light (talk) 14:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

reply

Hello, Sophie. You have new messages at [[User talk:Slightsmile (talk) 15:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)|User talk:Slightsmile (talk) 15:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)]].
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

 Done

Thanks for your help

Hi Sophie. Thanks for your help with our anon IP craziness today. I'm sorry that your page had to be vandalised because of it. I wanted to let you know that the IP has now been blocked for seven days. It is a bit odd that an IP geolocating from Chicago is claiming to be editing from Germany. Oh well since "they won" at least we can get back to editing other articles :-) Thanks again and cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 21:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I only just noticed that you reverted their vandalism on my talk page so thank for that also. Have a great weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 22:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought that I would let you know that the 64.107.1.130 IP tried to alter my password today. Of course, they can't actually change it so there was no harm. Hopefully they have not tried this with you but I wanted to make you aware of this just in case. MarnetteD | Talk 22:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Itchy trigger finger...?

I'm sure you were acting in good faith (at least I force myself to assume it), but you should look at edit history before you delete people's posts or admonish them for useless posts. Further, my post apparently was helpful to the ed on whose talk page I posted; the article he kept reverting on me magically fixed itself shortly after my post. You also didn't take the requisite two seconds to see the other ed's insults on my talk page. So thanks, but no thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by HuntClubJoe (talk • contribs) 01:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. You can also do this by clicking the 'sign' button, pictured here.

Two wrongs do not make a right. You ask for due consideration of the context, and given this comment, I feel that a warning is entirely appropriate.

Please be civil when communicating with other editors. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  01:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

You didn't delve too deeply to come up with that. How about you look at the BS that the other "editor" (I'm using that term ever-so-lightly) wrote in the multiple edit summaries in the stated article? But wait, that would be too much to ask, right? As would taking a gander at my talk page, where the "ed" insulted me to begin with. Goddamn Keystone Kops around here better take note, there are two sides to every story. Did you assume good faith??? HuntClubJoe (talk) 00:58, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for responding, HuntClubJoe. Honestly, I do appreciate it; as long as editors discuss things, we can make progress.

We have a huge problem on Wikipedia, when people say things like 'but...they did THIS and that is WORSE that what I did" - of course, it's a natural reaction to do that, but...

The only way we can keep the peace is, to ensure that every editor behaves in a civil manner, regardless of what anyone else has done.

If I were the religious type, I would advise 'turning another cheek'. As I am not, all I can say is this: please, for the sake of an easy life...chill out. Relax. It's only an online encyclopaedia. Yes, there are some total dicks here, as everywhere, but the best way of dealing with them is, to ignore them. Do not descend to their level. If others are not civil, sure, we can help with that - I'd be more than happy to look at any complaints you may have, and to appropriately warn the other parties, leading to a block.

Please please please read WP:NOTTHEM - and accept that we must all strive to work in a collegiate way, to improve Wikipedia. Best,  Chzz  ►  01:12, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Listen, man. I couldn't even make it to one hundred edits before some jerk starts running his yap and messing with my work, which was further compounded by an unwarranted (and entirely one-sided) intervention. I've got a thick skin, I can tolerate the BS, but spending a half-hour editing an article just to see it reverted twice pisses me off. I'm a regular user of the site, though my edits are generally confined to articles I search that need some "rubbing". This is not likely to change, if only because of my neurotic, obsessive nature. I'm certainly not editing to cause problems, and if Happy Gilmore (the ed) could have kept his paws off the article for five minutes, there would have been no problem. It doesn't help that I'm unfamiliar with all the procedures and mechanisms at my disposal, both in terms of editing and dispute resolution. Anyway, I'm rambling now. Lord, I was born a ramblin' man... HuntClubJoe (talk) 02:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

accusation of vandalism

Silentrules (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC) Sophie: I don't understand your accusation. I uploaded the image to support my article on wikipedia. I was asked for the source, I provided the source......Please tell me what is to be done, I have even removed the image from the article, and i am not allowed to delete the image too. So what do I do? The accusation seems baseless, you should be helping me out if you have the authority to do so. If it is within your power, delete the image. I don't need the image anymore.

could you please provide a link because things in huggle happen fast and you can loose track. Sophie ^(Talk) 16:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Silentrules (talk) 17:01, 29 May 2010 (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Navyug_Mohnot.jpg?diff=364864152 I would request you to remove the image if possible as I don't require it,and I am unable to understand the copyright policies .I provided the source, but I guess I violated something.Thanks.

ahh, sorry, it looked like vandlism because you changed the souce (as its a bit hard to tell when using huggle) i have corrected my edits. and because sources have been provided, you can remove the deletion template. For the source, make sure you do it [http://www.website-goes-here.com description goes here] as it then makes description goes here Sophie ^(Talk) 17:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Silentrules (talk) 17:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)Thanx a lot!!!!

Userpage sp. correction

Re. [2] see User_talk:81.152.72.174#Re._user_page_edits - AGF, they were trying to help, etc. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  20:46, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

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New mission: AFC

WP:AFC needs help.

We are moving 70-odd articles that were tagged as {{move draft}} into the AFC process, and we need help to process them.

If you are not familiar with how to review AFCs, please join #wikipedia-en-afc and get help there from experienced AFCers. Please do help; even if you just review one or two - try to fix; make live, or say why not, etc etc.

Greatly appreciated.  Chzz  ►  22:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk page stalker

Beware! This user's talk page is patrolled by talk page stalkers.

Ohai Sophie; I've responded to this one on their talk page. Chzz  ►  01:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Replied to what? Sophie ^(Talk) 21:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

The above, re. Xugglybug - that's why I added it in that section - you moved it!  Chzz  ►  22:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Erm. I actually meant this, but the user has removed it now, so...it's all done, anyway. Chzz  ►  05:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

pp-meta understanding

{{help}} Its not urgent

Iv been reading the source code for {{pp-meta}} and i am a bit confused with a few things around the small padlock

(the correct coding may be wrong, but its just easier for me to expalin like this}

I understand how when ~

• #if {{protection:move}} sysop === makes the green padlock
• #if {{protection:edit}} sysop === makes the gold padlock
• #if {{protection:edit}} semi === makes the silver padlock

but what i dont understand is how it makes other padlocks, like red and black because it requires {{{type}}} but on meta templates, such as ambox, it dont say type, but has pp-meta on it

and it also uses #if which only allows a true value and a false, but it has more than one option so im even more confused

Sophie ^(Talk) 09:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

• This will help: WP:PROT. -- Matthew Glennon (^T/_C\^D) 12:42, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

not really, wp:pp is about the policy around the protection, not the template its self Sophie ^(Talk) 12:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

pp-meta makes the big box. In that code there is a section of

<div class="metadata topicon" id="protected-icon" style="display:none; right:55px;">[[Image:{{{image|{{#switch:{{lc:{{{type}}}}}
 |full=Padlock.svg
 |semi=Padlock-silver-medium.svg
 |move=Padlock-olive.svg
 |indef=Padlock-red.svg
 |office=Padlock-black.svg
 |create=Padlock-skyblue.svg
 |#default=Transparent.gif
}}}}}|20px|link={{{icon-link|Wikipedia:Protection policy#{{lc:{{{type}}}}}}}}

which determines the color padlock. —fetch·comms 13:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

So pp-meta is maily for the box whats on the page, but also does the code for the small padlock? if thats the case, why not have 2 templates. 1 for the box and 1 for the padlocks? Sophie ^(Talk) 13:40, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, there are. Often, using the big box is avoided, so then the {{Pp-semi-indef}} or something similar would be used. Or {{pp-vandalism}}, which is one template acting as both a big box or just the small icon. —fetch·comms 13:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

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Smile!

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Thanks for the smile! I like the section header! :) Set Sail For The Seven Seas 265° 29' 15" NET 17:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Legal Word Understaning

{{help}} can you say if my explaination for the word below is correct or not?

NB: i know about the legal disclaimer and stuff but i would just liked to understand it a little better

• Rebuttable presumption - is where the court assumes that something is something else unless someone can prove otherwise, EG - person 1 does things to person 2, person 2 looks underage so the court by Rebuttable presumption thinks they are unless person 1 can prove otherwise

That sounds about right to me :) You just taught me something new! {{Sonia|ping|enlist}} 10:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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rap rebirth

hi sophie, why do you keep reverting the Rap Rebirth article back when I add a history section? please let me know. thanks

hiya :) looked a little like vandalism, but iv fixed it :) back to how it was :) Sophie ^(Talk) 20:32, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

thank you sophie :)

Feedback - large increase in requests

The graph says it all, really; massive increase since we cleared the backlog and introduced a bit better system. As I've said before, it is a 'victim of its own success', I think. Currently, it is pretty backlogged.

Quite a few get missed, as you can see if you flick through the archives - but I don't know what we can do about that, really, other than hope more people give feedback.

The long-term solution would be to keep these editors; so many come to just create one article, and are never heard of again; if just a few of those stayed, and started giving feedback, then we'd have a more workable system.

I suggest discussion in this WT:FEED section. Cheers!

(I've send this message out to a small number of people that I think/hope will be interested; people who have given feedback, etc. if wrong, apologies, let me know.)

 Chzz  ►  00:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

ok :) what needs doing :), its been a while since iv done any wiki work Sophie ^(Talk) 10:37, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Hiya :-)

It wasn't a specific request. I'd just got the statistics, so I sent that message to people who have helped out with FEED in the past.

As of right now...the situation isn't too bad. A few days ago, it was; there were hundreds unanswered, going back weeks. Sometimes the backlog gets cleared, but it soon builds up again.^{See P.S.}

The same happens at AFC too.

The best thing you could do is, at any time, just dive in to WP:FEED and leave feedback for someone. It's an ongoing thing. Average number of requests is about 15 per day, so imagine, if there were 30 people who responded to two or three per week, everything would be great, and there would never be a backlog.

Anyway - nice to hear from you; I hope you are well, etc. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  19:45, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

P.S. Actually, it's already built up again, a bit. This is what happens - when we deal with them quickly, when it is working well, we get more and more requests. That's what I meant on the talk page, saying it was a "victim of its own success". A few days ago, it was massively backlogged, and of course people don't bother to ask for feedback - because they see the huge numbers, and that many are ignored. When we clear it down, more people ask. I've done just that several times over; the problem is simple: there are lots of people wanting to write a new article, and very few who want to help others write. In addition, most of those adding a new article will only write that one article - that's all they want to do. Usually, a WP:COI thing. This is a big problem for Wikipedia in general. We have articles on most topics - so you can't write about Earth or Sausage or Michael Jackson any more. So we have a massive number of editors with COI, who only want to write about themself / their company / their band. I don't know the solution to this; all I know is, it is a problem.  Chzz  ►  21:11, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

User Vazgen Ghazaryan

Dear Sophie. Please do not edit my user page. I am not the same person as the bass singer Vazgen Ghazaryan. Thank you for understanding. Vazgen Ghazaryan (talk) 06:23, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you might have me mistaken for someone else as I wouldnt edit someone elses userpage. Sophie ^(Talk) 14:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

tea

:) Sophie ^(Talk) 14:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Kay Nolte Smith Huggle revert

Hi, Sophie. I noticed that in this edit you had used Huggle to revert material added by an IP editor. Although the addition had some poor formatting, it appears to have been legitimate cited material, not vandalism, so I have re-added it (with better formatting this time). I just wanted to let you know as a reminder to look carefully before using Huggle to rollback an edit, because sometimes over-vigilance against vandalism can step on beneficial edits. Happy editing! --RL0919 (talk) 20:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

hiya :), i reverted cause it looked like vandlism because of the amount of stuff what was taken out :) - Sophie ^(Talk) 20:46, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

They didn't actually remove anything; they just broke some of the material into a separate paragraph. Unfortunately, diffs can be hard to read when someone does that, because the software interprets it as if material was removed and then a new paragraph added, even though the text in the "new" paragraph was already in the article. --RL0919 (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

yea makes sence :) Sophie ^(Talk) 14:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

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 Done

Happy 10/10/10

Double Ten Day is, really, unrelated—but we don't appear to have a cool pic for this one

I suppose I should've timed this message at 10:10:10 too, but frankly, I can't be arsed. You know how it is.

Did you know... that tenten in Japaense writing are a little wiggly thing, a bit like a quotation-mark, which makes e.g. "ka" (か) into "ga" (が) or "fu" (ふ) into "bu" (ぶ) ?

So, take time out to have a bit of a giggle.

All the best, and 10-10 'till we do it again.  Chzz  ►  08:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

hehe :P, 10 10, 10 10 1, 10 10 2, 10 10 3. :P

10 10 10 :P

10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 :P

oh chzz, you do make me laugh :P Sophie ^(Talk) 15:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

error made

{{help}} i was trying to add a comment into talk:megaupload but i have seamed to of messed it up and cant fix it. Sophie ^(Talk) 15:12, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

OK; I just restored the version previous to your edits [3]

Your first edit looked OK, actually [4].

It was when you 'undid' it that some oddness came in [5].

I've heard before that using Skype can mess up editing; probably best to disable it when using Wikipedia.

Hope that is OK; pop in to IRC if you need me. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  15:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

ahh ok, thx :) Sophie ^(Talk) 17:25, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

BBFC Image usage

{{adminhelp}}{{help}}

for the images used on this page, if you go onto them, they are high quality but in the fair use part the resolution says "low" which they arnt. is that correct? Sophie ^(Talk) 17:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

It's OK; they are Scalable Vector Graphics format, .svg, which means that they are not made of dots, but made of geometric shapes. Therefore, they don't have any fixed resolution, and can be displayed at any size.

As long as the size used is not excessive, it is OK.

I notice that in Template:Non-free_use_rationale#note-resolution it mentions that we should put "SVG will be rendered at low resolutions" in the 'resolution' part, for them, so you could do that if you like.

It's a tricky area, actually, regarding SVGs, but in this specific case I don't think it is anything to worry about. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  17:36, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

ahh, makes sence :) Sophie ^(Talk) 14:05, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Quick Note

I believe the reason why fr:User:Dunderklumpen couldn't create the user page wasn't quite because they weren't autoconfirmed, but because they weren't logged in. It seems that the local account wasn't attached to the global account. They've placed a request at WP:USURP. Thwy should be able to edit here after the usurp. Also, a little birdie told me that you're interested in magic words and parser functions. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 330° 56' 15" NET 22:03, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

ahh, i thought so, said it on his account here

"perpahs its because your not confirmed so you cant create pages? anyway, iv created the page user:Dunderklumpen and you should be able to edit it now."

and yes :) that little bird must be able to read my mind :) Sophie ^(Talk) 20:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess they can indeed! :D So, how much templatey stuff has Uncle Chzz taught you so far? I noticed that you copied over the code from my user and user talk pages. You may need to change a few things like the pagename bits so that the code works in your sandbox. Try changing all cases of User:Thesevenseas to User:Sophie/sandbox18 at User:Sophie/sandbox18, all cases of User talk:Thesevenseas to User:Sophie/sandbox17 at User:Sophie/sandbox17, save, refresh the page and see what happens! Set Sail For The Seven Seas 315° 26' 30" NET 21:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

well not much, iv done a bit of self learning for some things, like how the featured article has a edit notice what only shows on that day :) and i save them so i can like learn more to use on my wiki :) and i know, when i looked at the code for that, i said to my self, thats aswome :) Sophie ^(Talk) 23:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

That's usually the best way to go about it. When you say your wiki, are you referring to your userspace or wikia? Did you manage to figure out how the featured article edit notice works? If you didn't, I can explain it for you. Glad to hear you like the code on my user and user talk pages. I actually use similar code for my signature. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 11° 35' 0" NET 00:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

yep :) for my wiki, i mean my own persoanl wiki (own site), i dont like wikia because you cant get monobook. i managed to figure it out in User:Sophie/sandbox11 and yep :) its cool :P Sophie ^(Talk) 00:53, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

You have your own wiki? Brilliant! I use the switch parser function and {{DISPLAYTITLE}} on my user and user talk pages. I allows the colours to change when you refresh the page. I use this in my signature as well so that it changes colours. I can show you how it works if you want. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 312° 51' 15" NET 20:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

yep :) it will be for missing people, so the name is kinda easy to guess :P and i plan for it to be link wikipedia one day and part of the foundation. and i know i saw :) i also saw it changed colour after every edit but what happens if the edit is highter then the highest number in the count? and ok :) Sophie ^(Talk) 12:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Sound good! If the edit is higher then the highest number in the count, then the mod function will reduce it so that it is in the count. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 278° 4' 15" NET 18:32, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Testinhelp1.png

Thanks for uploading File:Testinhelp1.png. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information; to add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia.

For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 00:08, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

ughh, your a bot so you cant actully read what i put... Sophie ^(Talk) 00:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

 Done

Steven Bratter

The edit you just reverted was by the author of Steven Bratter. He blanked it because he wanted it deleted. Wayne Olajuwon chat 22:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

when i saw it, the previous editor has added some stuff and it looked like vandlism, saw the {{csd-g7}} tag :) Sophie ^(Talk) 22:17, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

It looked it like vandalism, but he blanked it because he wanted it deleted. Wayne Olajuwon chat 22:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I mean, on the left, there was a contrib, on the right a blank, and the editors were different so thats why it looked like vandlism. Sophie ^(Talk) 22:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh that's why. Wayne Olajuwon chat 22:22, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Also if a user or IP address vandalizes my user talk page, will you please revert it? Wayne Olajuwon chat 23:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

will do :) althought yesterday Huggle went funny and only showed the top lines of pages =/ Sophie ^(Talk) 12:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Huggle can be funny sometimes. :) Wayne Olajuwon chat 19:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|Thesevenseas}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 245° 57' 30" NET 16:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)  Done

{{talkback|Thesevenseas}} Set Sail For The Seven Seas 298° 58' 0" NET 19:55, 4 November 2010 (UTC)  Done

Sophie ^(Talk) 16:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)