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A sympathetic (I think?) ear and/or shoulder to cry on

Is it just me, or has ANI semi-recently become almost a pure Vote for Banning? It's always been bad, but now it feels insufferably mean-spirited and full of drive-by hatred. Has it always been this way? One admittedly very anti-Wikipedian thing I wish we could try: no drive-by comments from anyone who has been here less than, say, 2 years. They're welcome to start threads or comment on threads that affect them, but no kibitzing. I hope your talk page is backwater enough that I can say this without getting in trouble. Anyway, mostly just saying thanks for the agreement, and saying hi. Used to run into you more when Keeper was around, haven't said anything to you I think in years. Floquenbeam (talk) 20:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay @Floquenbeam, I was away for a few days and have never really figured out mobile editing. Yes, I'm a long way from ANK. I miss those days! But I wholly agree with you. I briefly saw the threads the big threads spun off including to Commons and it's just so ugly regardless of whether there's underlying merit. The amount of energy wasted picking apart editors could be so much better spent elsewhere. No drive-by comments and honestly I think a more liberal use of project space blocks (wholly pie in the sky territory here). You can make a TP request similar to that of a blocked editor and if someone sees merit, it's carried over and you can participate. I wish it were possible to block folks from AN/I because you can make a case for needing to edit the help fora, but no one needs to be on the drama boards. Used to think that name was overblown, but they're earning their names more. It's too hot in most areas to say go outside, but go edit an article people! When it's a name brand person, it's even worse because people recognize their names and they're lightning rods.Always vent away here. Star Mississippi 01:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Close of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Biden crisis

Hi! While I agree that the recent events made the discussion especially complicated, and that it wasn't the best of circumstances to have an AfD, I am curious as to why it didn't run for the whole seven-day period. From what I understand (although I might be wrong), "no consensus" closes are usually for discussions that had had time to settle down, rather than highly fluid discussions like this one? From one perspective, it feels like closing the discussion before a consensus had time to actually form. I might be missing something here, so please tell me! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! That was a speedy keep meets N/C. Basically my assessment was there was absolutely no chance of a consensus forming to do anything with that article and seven days was just going to be a huge mess of opinions and ideas, some of which were moot due to changing events, such as proposed redirect targets. It had been moved (twice?) already and the project isn't really set up for fast moving news items, especially not ones reflecting "live" political events. We (not pointing fingers at anyone, it's true of the community) rush to create articles and sub articles without fully thinking about whether we need that article to document a thing, or if it's a live blog which ultimately is merged somewhere once the moment has passed. Is that helpful @Chaotic Enby?

That said, if you think it should run longer, I'm giving my explicit OK for another admin to reopen it as I'm about to log off and may not be online for another 12 hours or so and don't want to leave this unsettled. Let me know. Star Mississippi 03:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, your explanation makes sense! It's also a good way to let the dust settle, after all. (For what it's worth, I was on the "keep" side, just curious about the process and how closing complicated discussions works) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 03:13, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's an exact process to be honest. It's more like "this won't resolve in any manner, so please spend time and energy on something that might" to avoid wasting time. Will this historic withdrawal be discussed somewhere? Absolutely. After November 5 or January 21, will that be its own article? We don't know (my personal opinion as an editor is that it's unlikely) Star Mississippi 14:07, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Mark Francis (arts administrator)

Hello, Star Mississippi. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Mark Francis (arts administrator), a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 15:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

List of archaeological sites by continent and age

I noticed that your recently deleted an entry titled "List of archaeological sites by continent and age." Can you explain your rationale for declining the creation of what could be an extremely useful guide to articles on Wikipedia? Thanks! Hoopes (talk) 21:24, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Hoopes. Consensus was against retaining this article as you can see at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of archaeological sites by continent and age. If you believe my close was in error - not that you simply disagree - you may file a deletion review. Unfortunately it being potentially useful is not sufficient for it to remain at this stage. Star Mississippi 02:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French people killed during the Russian invasion of Ukraine

Hello, Star Mississippi,

What do you think should happen with this AFD? Discussion participants have added other articles to this discussion mid-way through it. Editors have already commented who weren't aware of these additions and they weren't added by the nominator. What do you think?

Also, have you noticed that there are a lot fewer AFD discussions these days? A few months ago, it wasn't unusual to have 80-100 discussions listed on the daily log and now it's like 50-60. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:11, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Liz! I think the situations around all are likely different making it hard to assess as a group, even if they'd all been nominated at the outset. If I saw it in the closing day I'd relist to be sure all knew about the additions and if they wanted to amend their vote. All the forums seem quieter. Summer holidays maybe? Certainly not better outdoor weather, at least not here. Hope you had a nice weekend! Star Mississippi 12:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Unblock Request

Hello,

Past few months ago, you blocked me from editing Wikipedia. I apologize for my mistake. Currently i am editing the draft page Draft:2024 Myanmar Women's League and Draft:2024 MNL League Cup final to unblock me. Please check my article and unblocked me. Thanks. User talk:Vilnae867 03:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! I will not unblock you, but if you show an understanding of the issues raised, someone will act on the request on your Talk. However Draft:2024 MNL League Cup final uses sourcing that still shows you don't understand the issues leading to your block. Star Mississippi 13:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Tariq Chauhan

111.92.81.56 has asked for a deletion review of Tariq Chauhan. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 14:55, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Tariq Chauhan Deletion

Hi Sir, Feel the page Tariq Chauhan has been wrongly deleted.

I feel it was an unjust deletion process as the article was blanked out just before deletion. All the content and sources were removed. This was before an editor stepped in and added the before deleted view on the review page. By then already 3 deletion votes had already come.

(111.92.81.56 (talk) 15:04, 26 July 2024 (UTC))

Hi IP 111. Please note, you do not need to use honorifcs with other editors as we're all equal here and the person you're speaking to may not be a man. I'll respond at the DRV to keep it all central. Star Mississippi 15:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Architect David Carnivale

Dear Star Mississippi, I have had to get a new computer which led to several weeks of making adjustments, and only today,July 25th, was I able to notice you've restored my page - something I was pleased at having for 15 or 16 years or so and was very sad had been deleted. Had it not been for changing computers and the interruptions that entails, I would have thanked you sooner for restoring it (albeit in a truncated form but which maybe someday might be broadened again). Sincerely yours, David Carnivale 2603:7000:6E3B:C199:206A:5F25:6651:CCCD (talk) 03:02, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

My mistake; in switching to a new computer it appeared, momentarily, that you had restored my 15-year-pld article -but it seems I remain, arbitrarily, in oblivion. I ask that it be restored please; I was asked for citations and sources and provided them in great number- only to be told by an editor that editors don't read or check sources; it all seems very subjective, not very academic and has resulted in a valuable little article having to do with the very beginnings of the internet being made, after 15 years, invisible. Sincerely yours, David Carnivale 2603:7000:6E3B:C199:E969:B61F:76E8:6DE3 (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! As we discussed previously, the article about you is in draft: Draft:David Carnivale per the decision reached at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Carnivale. If you believe the community consensus or my close was in error, you're welcome to file a deletion review. Without that, or improvement of the draft by other editors, it cannot be restored. Courtesy heads up to @Drmies as nominator. Star Mississippi 01:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Request to restore List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll to draft

Per the comment by User:Dege31 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll, as an ATD I would like to request that List of anthropogenic disasters by death toll be restored as a draft. I agree that the substantial content there can be reworked into something beneficial to include in the encyclopedia. Cheers! BD2412 T 16:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BD2412. Unfortunately with 9K+ edits, it cannot be easily restored. My on wiki time remains limited and I cannot process the 500 revisions at a time deletion without my computer hiccuping. Please consider this my blessing for it to happen via Refund. I'm pinging @UtherSRG and @Graeme Bartlett who I know to be active there here to save you from filing there since this is a tech impediment not a willingness one. If folks think it should be handled in another way, I'm fine with that. Star Mississippi 01:44, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Given the uniqueness of the situation, I think that it would not be unreasonable to restore the latest version/last 500 edits to draft with a note saying that the remaining edit history is deleted at the mainspace title. If nothing ever comes of the draft it will all end up deleted again; if something does, we can worry about the remaining 9,000 edits in history at that time. The GFDL can bend a bit towards the accommodation of reality. BD2412 T 01:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

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Anyone speak template?

Sorry @BD2412 I seem unable to complete this although your proposed plan makes complete sense. I'll try again but in the mean time, green light to any tech minded admins acting in my stead. Star Mississippi 02:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

It may be that the problem there is not the enormity of the edit history, but that of the page itself. BD2412 T 02:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cryptic for the shift tip and always helping. I might be getting somewhere with the revisions. There was also a black listed site in there that I had to remove to remove the AfD. I'll get as far as I can tonight @BD2412 Star Mississippi 02:18, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Restoring that many revisions shouldn't be difficult - you just need to do it piecemeal, a couple hundred at a time. (Shift-clicking checkboxes in the interface lets you select a range of revisions, instead of having to click every individual box.) Redeleting it would need a steward. Generating a list of users who've edited the page, to be pasted onto the draft's talk page, is easy, and sufficient per WP:CWW even if you just paste the wikitext of the last deleted revision into draft instead of actually restoring anything. —Cryptic 02:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Definitely something with this page and / or servers as I got through 1000 and now it's erroring out on every attempt. I'm about to log off for the evening but @BD2412 you have 1K revisions which should be enough to work from. I put a note on the Talk about the split history and pointed to your results @Cryptic as well as this discussion. Star Mississippi 02:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, that is definitely enough to work from. BD2412 T 02:31, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

It gets more complicated since the page was moved, and I'd advise against restoring any further revisions at this point. We'll also have to take some care if this is to be moved to mainspace - it would have to go first to the original title, the remaining revisions restored, and then moved to its final destination if different. (I still have scars from a similar situation, on a much smaller scale, at List of numbers in various languages.) I'll make some notes on talk. —Cryptic 02:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Cryptic (and that one wasn't even mine! There was a messy one that was for sure, although I think that was more page moves than number of revisions) I think I'm done with large page histories for a good long while. <g> Happy to help at any time @BD2412... with anything less complex. Have a good evening both! Star Mississippi 02:39, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:Articles for deletion/Tan Yinglan (3rd nomination)

Hi Star, not a complaint but just curious why you opted for AfD rather than G5. Also,I looked at the previous AfD and noted the IP that voted keep geolocated to Pakistan which is likely where this sock farm is operating from and they of course also use proxies. I will try to keep a look out for that and editors with low edit counts and note it there. S0091 (talk) 15:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait, I think I see now. It's a maze to follow the history. S0091 (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a mess @S0091 as you saw when you reverted your G4. Once @Nyttend declined the G4 I felt a speedy of any flavor would be inappropriate. My being AfD1 closer doesn't help either. I'm glad the current discussion is getting more input which should balance out the sock/meats (which I'm pretty sure Paujoqs97 would be too if they weren't stale. Star Mississippi 01:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of French films of 2026

Hello, you deleted these two articles before the seven day waiting period of its relisting, not giving me the chance to reply to the additional comments that were made.

Editors calling for deletion evoked WP:TOOSOON which did not and still doesn't apply to those articles as they contained numerous "verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources". The second regular comment, the presence of red-linked items, is not a valid reason for deletion.

Please restore the articles. Happy Evil Dude (talk) 22:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi! There is no seven day waiting period following a relist and it may be closed at any time consensus is clear. You were the only person arguing for retention. I'm willing to consider a restoration to draft, but if you restore them to mainspace they will be re-deleted. Will you take it through AfC? If not, you're welcome to file a DRV If you believe my close was in error. Star Mississippi 23:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft categories

In this edit of Draft:Huolin L Xin, why did you bracket {{Draft categories}} with another {{Draft categories}}? —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Anomalocaris. THanks for flagging. I'm honestly not sure what happened. I spot checked a couple others and it doesn't appear to have happened. I'll keep an eye out but I'm guessing script glitched. Thanks again! Star Mississippi 12:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)