Stoptheprop

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Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

October 2023

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Mikhail Gorbachev, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 20:58, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

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Please note that due to WP:RUSUKR, editors who are not extended confirmed are unable to make edits about the Russo-Ukrainian war, broadly construed, but it is still possible to make constructive edit requests on the talk page. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 10:31, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Stoptheprop, please explain how specifically your edits to Talk:Russians at War and to User talk:Daniel Case were not in violation of the above restrictions. I expect you to answer this prior to editing any further in that broadly construed subject area. --Yamla (talk) 21:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

er, because we're allowed to make constructive edit requests on talk pages. Explain how it was a violation please. Stoptheprop (talk) 22:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Not once have you made an edit request, as far as I can see. See Wikipedia:Edit requests. An edit request isn't for requesting that users be blocked. You'd be free to file a case at WP:SPI, but doing so on the talk page is not appropriate. Edits such as this and this aren't remotely an edit request. Please restrict yourself to Wikipedia:Edit requests on that talk page. --Yamla (talk) 22:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I did file a case. The case concluded the accounts were indeed sockpuppets. Hence request on Daniel's talk page to revert the page to a version not written by sockpuppets. Stoptheprop (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

I see you did file an WP:SPI and indeed, caught socks. I sincerely appreciate your effort doing that. --Yamla (talk) 22:15, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

thank you. Can we restore the legitimate version of the page now? Stoptheprop (talk) 22:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

this is the version I would like restored:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1247878515&title=Russians_at_War Stoptheprop (talk) 22:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Blocked

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Request reason:

alternative accounts are allowed to avoid harassment and I wasn't astroturfing support unlike other bad actors, rather just switching accounts when presence of trolls became clear

Decline reason:

As per below. WP:SOCK notes, "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts: Editors may not use more than one account to contribute to the same page or discussion in a way that suggests they are multiple people. Contributing to the same page with clearly linked, legitimate, alternative accounts (e.g. editing the same page with your main and public computer account or editing a page using your main account that your bot account edited) is not forbidden.". Yamla (talk) 21:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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You were editing the same talk page with both accounts. That alone is sanctionable. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 20:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

That seems unfair, I wasn't trying to create an illusion unlike the others who kept writing that they agreed with themselves. Stoptheprop (talk) 20:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

You clearly did exactly that. See for example, Talk:Russians_at_War#Toronto_police_said_they_made_no_safety_recommendations where you used one account to support the arguments of the other. --Yamla (talk) 21:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

that was simply a case of forgetting to switch, I fully intended to use this account to deal with the page one it became clear it was being inundated with trolls Stoptheprop (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• once Stoptheprop (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  Tbh this is a small price to pay if you prevented the actual trolls from continuing to mess with the page, I just hope ManyAreasExpert returns to it because that was the only voice of sanity on the page. I strongly encourage you to do something about the pro-Russia propaganda accounts on here. Stoptheprop (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wikipedia is not a battleground. Please leave your off Wiki conflicts off Wikipedia. For editing disputes, please seek WP:dispute resolution. Thanks -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 21:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)