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Happy editing! Raladic (talk) 22:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

Hello, JoelyProudfit. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on the page Joely Proudfit, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for article subjects for more information. We ask that you:

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Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicizing, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. Raladic (talk) 22:47, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for your message. How can I go about proposing changes to the article? JoelyProudfit (talk) 15:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

you can request edits via the Talk:Joely Proudfit talk page using the {{edit COI}} template I linked above in my message to propose edits. If you click the link, it explains how to make an edit request, you can also use the WP:Edit Request Wizard that can simplify making a new request for you.

Any article related discussions should happen on the article talk page over there.

Note that all changes need to be supported by reliable sources in order for us to be able to include them in articles on Wikipedia.

It is also suggested best practice that you publicly declare a potential conflict of interest on your user page as explained above.

Let me know if you have any more questions, feel free to ask here or you can head over to the WP:TEAHOUSE for a wider forum for new editors. Raladic (talk) 16:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. I work for Dr. Proudfit and she noticed a few errors on her original page, and asked me to take a look. I thought that if I created an account, then I could fix the errors and add additional information to her page using valid online sources about her. I apologize if this was not the proper course of action. Can I use this Edit Request Wizard to request corrections: Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard? Thank you! JoelyProudfit (talk) 16:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the disclosure.

Yes, the preferred way is if you use the edit request wizard to make proposals for the changes and be sure to include links to the reliable online sources and one of our editors will be happy to help make the changes in line with our policies and guidelines to ensure the encyclopedia is both free of errors and also includes the most complete information about the article. Raladic (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I have just used the edit request wizard to submit a proposed change to wording that was in the article version last edited on 25 July 2024. Would you be able to tell me if I did this correctly? Thanks. JoelyProudfit (talk) 17:24, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you did it correctly, you can see and follow the active edit request here - if you click "subscribe" on the right side next to the section title, you will be notified when another editor replies to your request. Raladic (talk) 17:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help. Moving forward, I will only propose edits for Dr. Proudfit's page using the request forms. What are the next steps for her page? Will it be reverted back to its state from July? JoelyProudfit (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Other editors are reviewing the changes, if they determine that your original changes were too far reaching (mainly if they are unsupported by the currently cited sources), then yes, they may revert some parts and subsequently discuss the follow up changes in the edit requests with you.

But you are welcome to discuss and address it pre-emptively on the Talk:Joely Proudfit talk page as well to work collaboratively with the other editors. Pinging @Silver seren who has been one of the main editors of the article to potentially expand further on the path forward for this. Raladic (talk) 17:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

I also suggest reading some of Wikipedia's core policies to ensure your edit requests are compliant or if material you added is removed to help understand why: Neutral point of view is a good starter, Original research, Verifiability and Biographies of living people. S0091 (talk) 17:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Also, if you are not Joely Proudfit then you need to change your username because you are (unintentionally) impersonating them. Please see WP:CHU for instructions. You do not need (nor should you) use your real name S0091 (talk) 17:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the message. I will look into this. JoelyProudfit (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

• Hi, Tawpash! I'm the editor who originally made the article on Joely Proudfit, as I thought she was both important and notable enough in proper news and other coverage to have a biography meet our notability requirements. I see that editor Rusalkii has already made one addition at your request. Was there anything else you felt was in error or was being misrepresented? One big thing about Wikipedia articles is that, in working to follow the structure of encyclopedias, biography articles aren't meant to be promotional or act as a CV or resume coverage of a person. Not all information has the proper reliable sources to be included or is important enough to include in the first place. Hence why we largely go off of only the information given in news/book/ect coverage. Silverseren^C 00:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hi Silverseren! Thank you for reaching out and giving more context about the article. And thank you for making the original article!

  In terms of proposed edits, I am working with editor Rusalkii to have Dr. Proudfit's tribal affiliation described as Luiseño/Payómkawichum, Tongva. In addition, there are few other minor errors / corrections that I would love to discuss.

  First, Dr. Proudfit was not tenured at CSU Long Beach, but at CSU San Bernadino as an associate professor. This information can be found in the following website. Also, Proudfit was already working in academia, specifically as a tenured associate professor at San Francisco State University starting in 1996, prior to working as a special advisor to the Honorable Cruz M. Bustamante, Lieutenant Governor of California in 2002. This is a timeline matter that we noticed, and I know that a lot of media articles do not have specific dates, but her LinkedIn page shows the correct dates of her career. Also, Dr. Proudfit's MA and PhD are specifically in "in political science with emphasis in public policy and American Indian studies"(source), rather than political science and American Indian studies. Additionally, we were hoping that it could be noted that when Governor Gavin Newsom appointed her to the California Commission on the Status of Women and Girls, Dr. Proudfit was "the first Indigenous woman on the commission," as it states in this news article as well as this one. Finally, I don't think that "executive consultant" is the right word for Dr. Proudfit's work, but rather a "production consultant" for film and television as stated in this article.

  Thank you again for working with me on this! Tawpash760 (talk) 03:24, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I think I've made all the changes, except for the timeline one in particular. I'm not entirely comfortable with just using LinkedIn for something like that, so what I've done instead is alter the wording of that section slightly so it says she did the political advisory work concurrently with being in academia and sidestepping timeline particulars. Everything else should be updated though.

Also, a question. Do you think it would be possible to have Dr. Proudfit release a photo of her into the public domain for use in her article? It would have to be a photo that isn't being commercially used anywhere else (which is why we can't just use any of the photos from the media or university pages). If yes, there's a walkthrough system here for releasing a photo into the public domain. Silverseren^C 17:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Hello! Thank you for making the changes. I will work on getting a picture of Dr. Proudfit released into the public domain. In the meantime, I was reviewing her page, and I noticed a few more things:

Dr. Proudfit first received tenure from SF State University, then CSU San Bernardino, and then CSU San Marcos. This article explains that before she was at CSUSM, Dr. Proudfit was at CSU San Bernardino. In addition, the film festival that Dr. Proudfit founded is called California’s American Indian & Indigenous Film Festival (CAIIFF), as described in this article and this news article from Variety.

Finally, could you please help me with the updating of Dr. Proudfit's tribal affiliation? I had suggested the following wording for the opening of the "Childhood and education" section - "Proudfit (Luiseño/Payómkawichum and Tongva) spent her childhood in Southern California, overcoming food and housing insecurity as well as familial instability to graduate from high school." - based on the examples of articles like this (in the Background section) and this where she is described as "a Luiseño/Payómkawichum and Tongva scholar, activist, and media maker."

Thank you again for working with me on this! Tawpash760 (talk) 19:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Re-organized the universities. Added the full name for the festival. And added the tribal affiliation. I didn't use your exact wording, but I did combine and condense those two sentences into one. Silverseren^C 20:03, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so, so much for your help! One final note - could you please add the full name of the film festival in the opening introduction section? And the acronym for the festival is CAIIFF. Thank you again! Tawpash760 (talk) 00:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Done! Silverseren^C 00:14, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you again! Tawpash760 (talk) 01:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Release image?

Hi; I notice our Joely Proudfit article lacks an image. I see there's an excellent image on https://women.ca.gov/commissioner-joely-proudfit/ but that site says that while most of that content is in the public domain, photographs aren't necessarily. Does Dr. Proudfit own that image, and if so, would she be willing to release it to be freely reused and edited like the rest of the Wikipedia? Or any other image she is willing to release? If so, can she either:

• Post a statement to that effect on an official web site (like that one, or some other one she has been verified to own; does she have a long time Twitter or Facebook?), something like "I own the copyright to this image and release it under https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ "
• Fill out the form at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_VRT_release_generator and email the resulting statement, with the image to be released, to [email protected]. If you CC me, [email protected], I might be able to help more.

I'm just another volunteer editor, but have some experience with article images. --GRuban (talk) 14:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)