TheYellowCabin

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Things I'm interested in

Secret's note on 'transwiki' Transwiki log

Category:AfD debates (Biographical)

Wikipedia: Alternative outlets

Wikipedia: Deletion today

Wiki Symbols

Wikipedia: Guide to deletion

Wikipedia: Notability (people)

Re: Wikipopuli

I've thought about such a project myself. The problem I see with it is that, once you allow biographies of any living person, the material becomes virtually non-verifiable through any independent source. This would open up the site to become a haven for subtle attack pages that may not be as obvious as "Bob is gay." IMO, Wikipedia dodged a legal bullet with the Seigenthaler case so you can imagine the potential legal ramifications for a site with virtually no verifiability requirements. Redfarmer (talk) 09:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Response from Secret

Below is an exchange I had with user "Secret" on his talk page. Subject heading: "Transwiki to non-Wikipedia projects"TheYellowCabin (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to ask for a clarification, if I may. On January 12, I added a note to the Charlie Witmack deletion discussion indicating that I was going to transwiki the article to Wikipopuli.com. You wrote: "Transwiki is only for another wikipedia project, not a private wiki." I was basing my suggestion on this line in WP:GD: "Transwiki is a recommendation to copy the article to a sister project in Wikimedia (such as Wiktionary, Wikisource, Wikibooks, or one of the foreign language projects) and remove it from Wikipedia, either by deleting it or redirecting it to another article. It has also been used to recommend a transfer to a wiki aimed at a more specific audience (for example, Wookieepedia for Star Wars topics, WikiFur for furry fandom topics)." In that context, do you think it's reasonable to transfer an article that was bound for deletion to a site more friendly to it? My follow-up question would be a philosophical one. I basically created Wikipopuli because I saw that many biographical articles were being deleted from Wikipedia for non-notability, and it seemed like their ought to be a home for such articles, so long as they aren't libelous, nonsense, etc. I understand why articles with basically no external sourcing can't be allowed on Wikipedia, but do you think there's a reason why something like Wikipopuli shouldn't be allowed, or even encouraged? Thx. TheYellowCabin (talk) 03:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It's because of licensing of the history and such Secret account 04:01, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello TheYellowCabin. How are you? Thank you for your note. I just visited www.wikipopuli.com and it looks good. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipopuli

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What do you need help with? Algebraist 16:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

(answering post on my talk) I don't think I can really help you with your project, but FYI the {{welcomespam}} tag was added by User:Gary King. Algebraist 17:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for the link, it should help a lot. BWMSDogs (talk) 14:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipopuli

Nice work but right now it's too small for me to really be interested in. I do find myself thinking sometimes about the possibility "what if Wikipedia had articles on the people I know... wouldn't that be cool?" (although I obviously never actually go to create articles about people that are without doubt non-notable) so I like what you're doing. Thanks.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 15:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikipopuli

Hi there, TheYellowCabin thank you for your sugestion and project that can help really non wikipedian notabilities issues. Thats no the case in my articles. The dispute in my articles are this way by the tricky way some users organize by interest. What is notability for an Australian can be no notability for a portuguese you see. Anyway congratulations for the project that i will recommend strongly from now on. Regards Carlos Botelho (talk) 17:49, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

article-for-deletion deal

If you're going to tell me my article is up for deletion could you mention what article you're talking about? -Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 05:17, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

It's in reference to the AfD notice for Don McCloskey on your User talk page.TheYellowCabin (talk) 13:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh. Duh. Sorry. This is what I get for clicking the 'Latest Change' link and thinking that's the bulk of it... haha... anyway. Want to see something really funny? Take a quick look at the original contents of that page :) -Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 05:05, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

RE:Your edits here at Wikipedia

Hello TheYellowCabin, I just wanted to talk to you about your edits here. According to this, you have 181 total edits, 153 of which are to User talk pages regarding "Transwiki to a more suitable site." We at Wikipedia are here to build a better Wikipedia, not any other wiki outside of the Wikimedia Foundation, and thus all of our users are required to make constructive edits to this wiki. "Transwiki" is only for projects within the Wikimedia Foundation, and no other wiki. It is completely acceptable for you to copy any of the text on Wikipedia as it is under the GFDL and use it for basically anything you want, but it is not ok to advertise what seems to be your site, or a site you have a vested interest in. Please see WP:SPAM and WP:CANVASS (loosely associated with sending out many messages for a certain reason). Please consider this a formal warning to cease this type of editing, which means you should not contact users on-Wiki pertaining to the Wiki you are promoting or make edits to AFDs or other deletion pages regarding the site. If you should continue these types of edits, I or another admin, shall be forced to indefinitely block this account for spamming and blatant advertising. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me here or on my talk page. Thanks. « Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 01:35, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gonzo fan2007,

You recently added a not to my user page requesting that I stop putting notes on other user's pages suggesting that that transwiki their articles that were about to be deleted over to Wikipopuli. I can certainly understand your logic; what I was doing was promoting another wiki, and one that's not part of the Wikimedia Foundation. Parenthetically, I can tell you that my efforts were not all that successful; while a couple of editors have moved deleted articles over there, not many have. Which I think is a shame, actually. The reason I set up Wikipopuli is that a lot of people put up articles on Wikipedia that might be about themselves, or their boss, or a friend, or whatever, and of course it has to come down because it violates WP:BIO. Jimbo, among others, feels very strongly that non-notable bios do not have a place on Wikipedia or anywhere else in the Wikimedia Foundation. But isn't it too bad that all this content has to just get thrown out? Wouldn't it be nice if, instead of just getting deleted, this material could have a new home? Not quite as celebrated and respectable as Wikipedia, maybe, but a place to exist, at least. So, that was my idea. I'm not exactly sure how to bring it about, that is, to let people know that this option exists. I guess putting notes on people's user pages is not the way to go. I've asked other Wikipedia editors for their input (you can see their responses on my user page), and I'd certainly like to get yours. I see this effort as having the potential to complement Wikipedia, rather than parasitize it. My earlier tactics aside, do you see any value to a project like Wikipopuli? And if so, could you see a non-policy-violating way to let Wikipedians know that that the option exists to resurrect their deleted bios somewhere else?

Thanks for your time, and best regards. TheYellowCabin (talk) 22:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey YellowCabin, you know I can see that you have the best of intentions and yes, I could see how Wikipopuli could be a good compliment of bios of less-notable people, and in theory is a great idea. The problem is that very few bio articles created here actually merit any article anywhere. Most are speedily deleted and the others end up being deleted through some process. Like I said earlier, you are free to take the text from these articles and add it to Wikipopuli, or request from an admin for the text if it has already been deleted, but you cannot go around advertising for Wikipopuli. As good of intentions you have and no matter how well Wikipopuli could compliment Wikipedia, we cannot allow someone to advert for another website, because invariably if we allow one, we must allow everyone, which would lessen the integrity of Wikipedia. Like I said, Wikipopuli is a good idea in theory and I wish you the best, but I am bound by policy here. I really cannot think of any way of adverting for Wikipopuli within policy, except for adding a neutral advert on your user page, and if people ask you about it, feel free to elaborate to them. The one thing I would warn is try very hard to not only advert for Wikipopuli on your user page though, add something about yourself and such, so someone will not be tempted to delete your user page. Also, if you plan on doing this, I would encourage you to contribute to Wikipedia, even if it is quick grammar fixes or something like that, so that others dont feel like you are just here to advert for Wikipopuli. If you have any farther questions, feel free to ask. Thanks! « Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs} 23:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Re Article for Deletion Ana Silvera

Hi Yellow Cabin - I think I may have updated this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Silvera in accordance with guide lines, though I see the decision was to keep it anyway! Could you tell me how long it will be before the proposed deletion tag is taken down? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gracewhite (talk • contribs) 17:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)