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Wait, what? Are you breaking up with me?! How many fuzzy teddy bears, steaming cups of tea, and adorable kittens do I need to slap on this page in order for you to reconsider (think carefully, Wikipedia seems to have an infinite amount of Wikilove templates and gadgets to entice new users while it's obvious in this case that there's little incentive to retain those that have dedicated untold hours/days/years to making some sort of lasting impact)? Take some time away, my wikibribes will all be waiting for you when you come back. And you know how to get in touch if you want to blow off some steam and rant without an audience. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots15:30, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
Welcome back! I knew you couldn't quit me Wikipedia....Jokes aside, you do amazing work here and are one of the most patient and helpful volunteers around. I credit you with three free Rage!Quits! (well, two now). Cheers, --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots02:13, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Meow
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The Editor's Barnstar
Hi Pat, thanks again for helping me understand a "Stub" article. I guess as time goes by, and more and more gets added and verified, it may turn into an actual article? Well, the good news is our entry went live. If you have anything to do with this, I can't thank you enough. This is a real thrill for my brother Jim and I. Our friend Rachel didn't add another version, she just cleaned up the original version with your suggestions.
One last question, in our entry is a big warning box about "bare URLs for citations." I'm sure Rachel can run our links through the tool offered. But it mentions that "it does not work on all web links (e.g. PDFs)" - and we have quite a few PDFs. Does that mean even if we use the the tool to clean up the URLs, that warning box will remain because we have PDFs as links? Thanks again for your help! Pat Futureshockcomicsmcgreal (talk) 17:15, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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librarian
Thank you for expanding our knowledge about the interior of libraries and books, and for silent support and understanding, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
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Think I put a query on the WikiProject BC talkpage about this...yeah must have been.......Monte Lake I've already put in the Thompson Country cat, as it's connected to Monte Creek which definitely belongs there. But what about Falkland and Westwold? They're not considered Okanagan, right? Or are they? Over on the other side Grindrod and a few other places are on the border with the Shuswap; I note that WP:Okanagan folks have included not just it, but also Salmon Arm and Sicamous, I guess from the old pairing of the Shuswap-Okanagan......not that I'm obsessed over categorization like so many people I see on my watchlist fussing with this or that, but just curious how a Vernonite would regard these places....and Cherryville and others in the Monashees, on the other side.....Spallumcheen Valley is the divide between the Shuswap and Okanagan basins, as you probably know.....what you might not know is that is the prominence saddle for Mount Rainier, which is kinda interesting in a trivia-ish kind of way.Skookum1 (talk) 16:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
keep an eye out for Sinixt-POV edits on MANY articles
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Must have been twelve articles today, including the Okanagan one, that User:Sinkalip vandalized with Sinixt POV/deletions. See User_talk:Bearcat#POV_deletions_by_SPA....political_but_of_a_different_kind and a similar section at User talk:Kootenayvolcano (she's in Nelson). Note the Nakusp article, that was a hard one to sort out as the edits weren't one-undo reversible and he'd/she'd supplanted the Sinixt name using the cite given for the Ktunaxa one. I'm pretty sure this user doesn't do anything but Sinixt-POV edits/deletions, there's nothign on the talkpage and I don't want to WP:BITE. YOu'd think all the reversals of their edits would send a signal to them they're not playing by the rules; but those who war with truth rarely respect the rules, except when they can invoke them to defend their actions or attack those who correct them.....Skookum1 (talk) 17:27, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Peer review request
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I'll take a look, and maybe get my sister (she's doing a Ph.D thesis related to the Sopron School this summer) to give a review (She's got an account, but she's a very lazy wikipedian!). I haven't worked much with lists before. The Interior(Talk)18:37, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
pretty funny when the conspiracy accuses you of thinking they're a theory
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this kind of cr*p can only make me laugh, as if I liked or wanted Jeff Lee to defame and misrepresent me in the course of parroting the Grit line about the Dix article as if it were headline-worthy. What a crock of a paranoid and accusatory a-holes, and it's one reason why I'm gonna enjoy what goes down on May 13. I'd love to know if that's a government or identifiable IP though; been considering an article for the independent press about how the Sun and the ratpack manipulated a non-issue into a campaign tub-thump.......gotta wonder who this turkey is, since he says I've accused, must be either a sock IP or the guy I had blocked from FB for his libel there.Skookum1 (talk) 02:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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Isn't it fun how those who want to censor and "correct" wiki articles are the first to complain about "censorship".......there may indeed be only a few hundred Wikipedians who shoulder most of the work, have never seen a breakdown of the percentage of edits that way........but a "cabal" isn't us, it's the group of people who are constantly adding harshly POV material from certain pages and wanting to pad others with tub-thumps of how they want things to be presented.......such a bore, these guys. No wonder their "side" is held in such contempt not just by bloggers but also by voters........gonna be a new day on the 13th, I wonder how much activity we'll see from them after that; their budget might be dried up.Skookum1 (talk) 02:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Chilcotin CfD
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I'll take a look. Running around like a chicken with its head off right now, try to get back into some BC geog stuff when things calm down a bit. The Interior(Talk)18:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
Dang CfRs bogging down with inanities.....
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I appreciate your civil tone. My comments were left after what has been an extremely frustrating experience here. Skookum1 has been a source of aggravation for many and I've simply hit my limit tolerating his constant bullying (he reverts anything that doesnt fit his less than mainstream view and threatens to stalk me by sifting through all my previous edits reverting them one by one). Fact is he is a contributor who is manipulating wikipedia to try and present the world as he would like it to be. It's gone so far that a major newspaper has written 2 articles specifically on him and his highly POV efforts to skew political topics in favor of his prefered party and positions. He replaces highly regarded mainstream sources with obscure fringe sources that push a very specif POV. It's simply become too frustrating trying to add well sourced content fromreliable sources just to have them revert because they dont align to his personal politics. Reality is he, for reasons i neither understand nor claim to know, has the time to spend hours upon hours per day reverting edits he doesnt like (often without any basis other than he doesnt agree) and adding content from highly questionable sources from the extreme left blogsphere and pseudo news sites. I started the discussion on the talk page because i felt his presence on the article which was the topic of his political pov pushing in the news articles written about him was harming wikipedia by jeopordizing its integrity. As usual he launched in to bad faith accusations and off topic attempts to discredit me. according to him i am a political operative (i'm neither a member of any kind of associate of any political party and have no relationship with any interest of any article i've contributed to) which is ironic since he admitted to being a member and campaign worker of the party whos candidates page he was attempting to scrub, i was a sock because i failed to log in a couple times and investigation (that concluded i was not a sock) was launched. His main agrue consistantly is that any mainstream medi org is part of a wide conspiracy against the extreme left and none should be accepted or used as refs although his fringe sources are unquestionably reliable. Wiki has degraded in recent years to where its no longer held as a reliable source for information on politics of anything mildlyncontroversial because there is a small group of editor who are directing and cntrolling the information presented. He is partnof this problem and i was seeking to highlight this and gain some traction in ahving the community attempt to reign him in on these politcal articles but it seems that instead a couple of his like minded editors (or even some who arent as like minded but are part of the frequent editor clique) come to his aid and dogpile on the casual contributor trying to impove wikipedia. The reponses from him are highly antagonistic, agressive and at times threatning (like searching through all my edits and reverting them). If this is what the editorial community at wikipedia re seeking to support the so be it but it is driving those casual editors away and damaging the reputation of wikipedia and its integrity. My rant was my admittedly against "the rules" parting shot to an contributor who quite frankly has some serious issues. I'm no longer intersted in being stalked and flammed by him so i'm no longer contributing to wikipedia. If there is any interest in improving some of the tarnishes wikipedia has developed i encourage you to have a hard look at him and work with the community to do whats best for wikipedia. 108.172.115.8 (talk) 23:17, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm really hesitant to wade into this. I'm not the best person to give an objective view on Skookum; I work with him regularly here and consider him a wiki-friend. I would note that if I saw him adding slanted information to our articles, he would probably not be in my good books anymore. Yes, he makes some rather intense talk-page posts, but that's his style - when actually editing article content he's quite neutral in my experience. In terms of removing or "topic-banning" and editor from articles or topics, it is done quite often. The forum is WP:ANI. It's very important to find diffs supporting your claims when making a request. However, I'll be honest, I don't see grounds for a topic ban. In general, you may have a point that there is a leftish tendency among regular editors - we're a self-selected group that support free knowledge, that sometimes correlates with left-leaning ideals. But definitely not always, and we try to keep things as neutral as we can. Unlike a large news org, our biases are easier to address. Click the edit button! Anyways, I'm sorry to hear you don't want to edit, but if you do return, I suggest focusing on content, and not individual editors. It's much more rewarding. The Interior(Talk)18:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
GLAM
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Hi, have you approached the Vacouver archives about GLAM yet? I was going to email them for images by Philip Timms. Their website in case you don't have it handy. I was also wondering if you could take some pictures in the lower mainland. John Hendry (industrialist) should have a statue somewhere, probably in his park. Elek Imredy and Charles Marega scuplted a few in your area as well that could use pictures.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:51, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
Hey Canoe. Yes, the V.A. are high on my list of people to contact. I'm getting together a GLAM proposal for a few Van. institutions; it's a bit difficult as I haven't done one before, and I know the wrong approach can turn people off. I'm thinking of volunteering at a few places to let them meet me in person rather than just some dude from the internet. As for the photos - will do my best - I'm notorious for promising pics I don't deliver on, still have some good ones of the Drop I haven't uploaded. Only so many hours in a day. Hope things are well with you, The Interior(Talk)02:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your efforts. If you use a cloud service like Dropbox (service) I can upload the images for you. I find it very handy and if you join through http:(remove this comment between brackets, the spam filter wouldn't let me save your page with the normal url)//db.tt/jNLML8M5 then we both gain 500mb of free storage. I find it very handy to store things like email contact lists, resume versions, and other files I may lose on a hard drive crash. Friends and family use it to transfer large files as well. This is a sample that I send to people to avoid email time and size limits as an attachment. I have over 5gb now. Have you thought of asking the GLAM projects if there is a good 'template' email to approach them with? I think that ones that sell higher resolution images would agree to upload medium versions here. Each image could have a link for those that wish better versions to buy. Some may consider it spammish but at least would could get images at 50-75% of their best quality for use in articles.--Canoe1967 (talk) 17:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for having a look at the DYK. I have replied to your feedback and made some changes. The DYK is ready for you to review again. Cheers, Mkdwtalk04:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Bholu clarification
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Makes more sense now, thanks. Is "w.e.r." a common phrase in India? I hadn't seen it before, so I changed it to "effective", which makes more sense in north american english. But if "with effect from" is clear to Indian readers, feel free to change back. The Interior(Talk)15:00, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, w.e.f is very commons here! Almost all government document uses it. See these. I thought this needed no explanation! And most probably this is British English. In India generally British English and terms are followed! "Effective" is clearer! Does it need a "from" after "effective"? --Tito Dutta (contact) 15:12, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, you learn something every day. I love how Indian English preserves some of the cooler forms of British English that are falling out of use. Grammatically, "effective" probably does need a preposition, but in practice it's been mostly dropped, i.e. "the Canadian mint will no longer produce one-cent coins effective April 2013". Thanks for writing the article, fun to read about Bholu. The Interior(Talk)15:19, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Metrotown
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I would appreciate if you would not censor the information about Metrotown. It is an unfortunate yet truthful and significant part of their history. The mall security sparked a province-wide investigation. Yes two editor reverted the edit,but I suspect that at least one of them was a mall employee. I am reverting for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.8.77 (talk) 15:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
DYK for Bholu (mascot)
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Does it make a difference that this is a defunct company? The value I saw there was the historical significance of these stores - the one in Vancouver is a storied location for sure. The Interior(Talk)02:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
No. Even the defunct chains had their store lists removed — off the top of my head, I know that Montgomery Ward, Mervyns, Woolco, and many other defunct chains had store lists removed. If an individual store has historic merit, then put that in the text somewhere. Something like "The store at such and such was the largest in the chain" or "The such and such store was the 100th/200th/whatever-eth" or "The store built at such-and-such was a prototype featuring x, y, and z." Things like that. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?)02:47, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I can see where you're coming from - notable historical info should be cited and prosified. I just know I'll never get around to it ... I still have a pair of shoes from Woodward's, so I remember them fondly. The Interior(Talk)03:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Wikimedia Commons has media related to Woodward's.
I just uploaded a bunch of pics. It does seem like quite a change from the original building from 1782ish to the new one in the 2000s. There may be some RS somewhere for a prosy add with an image or two about the transformation.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:53, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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Could you help to shorten the hook? I attempted but whatever I tried it went over 200+ characters. These points are important a) Alasinga selling his wife's gold ornament b) to send Vivekananda c) Vivekananda was running short of fund at that time d) Vivekanand went to America to join Parliament of the World's Religions#1893 Parliament! --Tito Dutta (contact) 22:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I made an attempt. The article needs some copyediting, I'll try help out by the weekend. One problem in the article is that the lead duplicates some text from the body; should be shortened and summarized. The Interior(Talk)00:50, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
You can transclude it as is, just strike out the original hook if you're happy with mine, and the reviewer will see whats going on. The nomination won't be rejected on the grounds of an over-long hook. The Interior(Talk)01:34, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
I have done accordingly.
ALT 2: that Alasinga Perumal (pictured) sold his wife's jewelry to help the financially beleaguered send financial help to Swami Vivekananda in America, a participant in the 1893 Parliament of the World's Religions?
Reason, in 1893 Alasinga financially supported when Vivekananda was in India too. So, ALT1 does not clarify in which period he sent the money! I have not added it in the template! And the article uses British English, can we use American English in the hook (i.e. jewelry/jewellery), I am unsure!? --Tito Dutta (contact) 01:46, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
How about ALT 2: that Alasinga Perumal (pictured) sold his wife's jewellry to help finance Swami Vivekananda's trip to the 1893 Parliament of the World's Religions in the United States?
Sorry about the American English, I'm Canadian, and should know better! (We mostly use British spelling, except when we forget) The Interior(Talk)01:52, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
No, no, dear sir! That's misleading! Please read a) first three paragraphs and b) the fourth paragraph from the end of this letter! This was the letter after which Alasinga borrowed money, sold jewellery etc! The trip was financed was Alasinga, few rich people of India, remarkable Ajit Singh of Khetri (this is another DYK candidate). Th hook mentions August 1893 events when Vivekananda was in Boston. --Tito Dutta (contact) 02:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
The Swami is an engaging writer, interesting to learn about his impressions of N.A. He arrived in Vancouver - my current hometown! However, I'm still unsure about the issues with ALT 2, could you explain more? The Interior(Talk)22:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Alright, if you have some time, you can read first two chapters (page 1—15) of this book. I am reluctant to mention only Alasinga's name as trip sponsor. There were other people too including Ajit Singh of Khetri. It was after the letter sent by Vivekananda (mentioned above) Alasinga sent more money.. to finance his stay, not trip. (though it'll not be needed here) Swami Vivekananda did not need the sent money of Alasinga too, it is explained in chapter 2 of the mentioned book (meeting with Prof Wright of Harvard University)). --Tito Dutta (contact) 10:20, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
four corners
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I can't believe I am close to neutral on this one. Tourism BC refers to it as "four corners" with quotes and no caps. The Four Corners blogglish site claims it is one. Although they are bloggish they may be the best experts on such an obscure subject. Could we add section to Quadripoint relating to 'almost' there points? I am not sure if they are all true points even. Google maps shows it as a true point but http://wikimapia.org/ doesn't seem to. My tighest zoom on Google shows it as a match but the wikimapia doesn't seem to by my eye. The zoom on wikimapia has the borders disappearing on tight zooms. With the two sources naming it a four corners then it isn't OR on our end so that may resolve that issue. We could email a surveyor's forum or blog for their input. --Canoe1967 (talk) 11:34, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
What we found before may be on Talk:Quadripoint rather than the article in question's talkpage........an Atlas of Canada display showing clearly the the NT-NU and MB-SK boundaries do not meet at that obelisk. Few hundred yards, even a half mile, can't remember. Part of the issue is that the MB-SK boundary is not a straight line following a meridian of longitude; you just can't do that, and the boundaries as as surveyed, not what's in legislation giving them longitudinal definitions....because such a line cannot be a straight line or whatever; the MB-SK boundary infamously jigs and jogs....have never heard the same for the AB-SK or BC-SK longitudinal boundaries, it might have to do with the equipment that was used at the time of that particular survey. The 49th Parallel is described in the respective treaties as the Can-US border....but the actual border does not match with it. The terms of that treaty, and of any legislation concerning such domestically, and also other treaties like the AK-BC and AK-YT boundaries....those terms say "as surveyed"...i.e. along the guideline(s) proscribed in the treaty. So it doesn't matter what the NT-NU boundary legislation says, and it says that the point where their mutual border hits the 60th Parallel matches (theoretically) with the SK-MB boundary, but that boundary is not where they thought it was when the wrote/legislated that. There's a map link, or was - Atlas of Canada links have all been dudded thanks to yet another shuffle of federal websites....but we found more than one map t hat showed that. This point is fictional, and hype, and the campaign to give it traction is wikipedia-propagated...the BC Tourism page (BC? why?) may say "four corners" but duh I betcha the dodos who worked there found this page on Wikipedia and decided to include mention of it in their screed, I mean pamphlet. This is all hype and puff-and-stuff and posturing - like the whole OR Quadripoint article.Skookum1 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I think we also posted those maplinks on the old AfD, whether that was for this or the Quadripoint article, I can't remember.Skookum1 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I see your points now. I had BC mixed up with the other tourist website. I was discussing BC healthcare site with a project recently. The screeds may be an OR creation by us so deletion is parobably in order before we create egg-on-face with a big nothing caused by a horrid citation loop. Btw do you know anyone near Chilliwack that can take a picture of the James Cleland Richardson statue by John Weaver (artist) in front of the museum? Elek Imredy and Charles Marega have some works in the area as well. --Canoe1967 (talk) 18:50, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure why you are talking about this here (I got one of these new "notifications" that I was mentioned on this page), but: The map I used in looking into this, that Skookum1 is referring to, I think, was the Canadian topo maps that used to be available via ACME Mapper. They showed icons and labels for the survey monuments. Sadly, those topos are no longer available on ACME Mapper, or anywhere else online I know of. Something about Crown copyright, yadda yadda. If I remember right I was able to use the monument label to dig up info on its exact location. The result of this research is summarized in the note on the Quadripoint page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadripoint#cite_note-nunavut-30 ...given what the Nunavut Act and the Nunavut Land Claims Agreement say it is easy to see why people take it to mean there is a "four corners" there, and I'm sure there are reliable sources that say as much. But since the actual survey border monument is not exactly where the Nunavut Act says the border is it is not clear whether there is or isn't a "four corners". The question will only be resolved when the NT-NU border is established on the ground with survey boundary monuments. Who knows when that will happen, if ever, but when it is a decision will have to be made whether to set the boundary at 60N-120W (which today can easily be done with centimetre accuracy or less), or to make it align with the existing SK-MB monument, which is about 400 metres from the "true point". Until this decision is made we just don't know. It may seem like splitting hairs, but compare the US four corners of AZ-NM-UT-CO. The AZ-NM border was decreed to start at existing monument at CO's southwest corner, and was surveyed and laid out on the ground from that survey monument. CO's southwest corner monument is about 500 metres off from where the law establishing it said it should be, so it is fairly similar in error to the SK-MT-NT-NU case. If the AZ-NM border was more accurately "resurveyed" instead of using the existing monument it might still be famous as an "almost four corners", but there certainly would not be that famous place where you can put your feet and hands in four states at once. The Nunavut law simply isn't clear about whether the existing monument is to be used or not—whether it will be "almost" or a "perfect" intersection. If the NT-NU border is ever laid down by survey the issue of its southernmost point may depend on political issues, such as whether NT or NU stand to gain natural resources. Even a thin ~400 metre strip can add up to a lot of land when extended over long distances. I don't think it is OR to recognize mistakes in otherwise reliable sources, right? Pfly (talk) 09:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
PS, I discovered the why of this thread here—a proposal for deletion. Just posted there myself. Pfly (talk) 10:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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You are a remarkably exemplar editor. You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and you are qualified! You personify an Administrator without tools, and have gained my support; already!
Even after I opposed one of your Rfa's? You are a gem, My76Strat, thanks for the vote of confidence, and your work on getting that toolbox worked in. The Interior(Talk)22:16, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
And this on my spring cleaning day. I've been moppin' all afternoon. Might do some sweepin' now. How bout ... if I decide to drop the hammer? The Interior(Talk)01:32, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
I hate to belabor a point well made. But I am not clear if an answer was given in this thread. If sysop is not a user right that you are interested in pursuing, I can fully respect such a conclusion. If you do not believe that you are inculcated with easily discernible leadership potential, perhaps harboring doubt of a successful outcome, I feel justified in restating the truth; you are practically an administrator already.
If you offer an opinion in discussion, it carries weight—as you exude competence and clue. The content you create for this encyclopedia is rarely improved—as you append it in near perfect form; in accordance with applicable policy, pillar, and guide. You give a full and fair audience to opposing views, while advocating contention without condescension, and do not favor bias over reason. These attributes with the many others not mentioned are highly desirable in an administrator and you exemplify them in your routine manner.
In truth, it is reasonable to anticipate you in the uppermost echelon as one of Wikipedia's very best administrator colleagues. Consider the respect that Ed and Ponyo command for being comprised of like qualities; and how quickly they endorsed your potential when the matter was raised. It simply is a well established fact that a mop is reserved in your name and I am exceedingly curious to know what reservation trumps this fact, keeping you from serving Wikipedia in the fuller capacity?
I even consider your Canadian domicile as a positive factor; necessarily in demand. I say this as a very proud American; who understands the detriment of systemic bias, and the benefit of inclusive diversity. One who knows the value of a well read library patron and the asset a scholar can be once they remove the basket which covers their lamp hindering the propagation of light they were meant to shine forth.
As I said opining this post, "I hate to belabor a point"—therefor please pardon my brevity, and excuse the many things I should have said, but did not. Cheers. :)John Cline (talk) 08:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Okay, let's do this thing. First week in September. No more procrastinating. Belaboured point taken, and thanks for the kind words, John. Now we need some nomination statements ... The Interior(Talk)15:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
F I N A L L Y!!! (and I think John Cline presented an incredibly poetic and suitable nom statement above. A tweak here and there and it could be ready for primtetime) I'd be more than happy to co-nom if someone would be willing to ping me when the ball starts rolling. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots15:43, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Good lord, that took long enough. I'd be happy to co-om too, but you'd be best off with only two statements (more leads to a cluttered mess at the top of the RfA), so feel free to tell me no. :-) Ed[talk][majestic titan]09:17, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
Seeing you succeed an RfA to become an administrator will count among my own significant Wikipedia contributions. Now that you have agreed to submit to the process, I think the first prudent thing is to not feel obligated to begin on a given date. Instead let's ensure you are fully prepared to put forth your very best. Please ensure that you read Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates and follow some of the links from that advice page.
I want to look closer at your contributions as well; to ensure there are no surprises we should have anticipated, but did not. I think you would benefit by reviewing some recent successful RfAs, and some recent unsuccessful RfAs as well. The nomination and your answers to questions 1–3 can have a greatest impact on the RfA's ultimate success or failure. Give ample thought to your intended answers to Q1–Q3, even drafting your answers in a document file perhaps. We can create your RfA page at anytime as it doesn't become official until it is transcluded.
Regarding the nomination; I agree that a nominator and a co-nominator are ideal, and while you can certainly pass with only a nominator, your chances do wane with a nominator and two co-noms. I would be more than willing to nominate you, and I know I can truthfully state that I have seen your potential; even describing it with supporting links. In truth however, I would suggest any number of other qualified nominators; including either or both Ed and Ponyo, as I would not wish for you to inherit any bad press from my scarlet letter.
If either of the two mentioned are not comfortable as nominator; for lack of nominations or otherwise, I am aware of several who are well known and respected; ensuring that they add credibility to your candidacy opposed to excess baggage, who I am confident would be willing. But if Ed and Ponyo are comfortable sharing that honor, you could hardly do better than that stringent, credible pair. If you will indulge me to give some advice, I will assure you do not enter this process unprepared, and I guarantee you will realize a dividend for the investment of preparation. How does this sound to you? :)John Cline (talk) 16:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
John, I've been following most RfAs for the last two years, so I have an inkling of what sort of comments can sink a nomination, the dangers of being glib/overly brief/unclear, as well as the dangers of badgering oppose votes unnecessarily. I'll start drafting my Q1-3 answers now, as well as do some more background reading. Ed, jbmurray, Ponyo, John Cline, I'd be honoured to have nominations from all four of you. Some might say that's overkill, but you all know me pretty well. I don't think it'd be interpreted as "nom-stacking", although that may come up. It's a price I'm willing to pay! Let's set the opening day for September 1. Can't say I'm not a bit nervous ... The Interior(Talk)21:47, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
I agree that you are clearly prepared, and well qualified even beyond my initial impression. I have nearly completed my closer look at your contributions and again, I find you even more qualified than initially perceived. One key element derives from your answer to Q1, where you describe potential admin intentions, and ones ability to see preparatory participation in that administrative area. You have good statistics in all of UAA, AIV, and AFD, and though not an admin area, you do have extended participation in RfAs with a high degree of accuracy. You are experienced in DYK so keeping the queues in order there is another supported area. For all intents and purposes I am confident there are no unanticipated developments possible and you will emerge successful proving to be one of the stronger candidates in RfA history. :)John Cline (talk) 22:18, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, I think I may be the only person here with the genuine authority to order the guy to take RFA. :) I wouldn't... because, wow, I don't hate him, and I remember my own RFA... but I could. :P It should go without saying that I intend to fully support an eventual RFA (unless such support would serve to be a negative factor... in which case I might do it anyway, just for the lulz.) (Of course, I would also be willing to (co)nominate if needed and politically desirable). Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
I suppose it would be bad form to rush in with a "FIRST" support before he's had a chance to accept and answer the questions, eh? Anyway, welcome to Hell Week, Interior! ;) Resolute02:22, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
The Interior would you object to adding a search box to your archives. I'd be glad to do it for you if your time is limited but I think it would be well received by users who closely scrutinize talk page archives. It's just a thought but I wanted to see how you felt regarding it. Cheers. :)John Cline (talk) 06:01, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Search bar added. Thanks so much for drafting the page, John, and your nom statement got me a little misty-eyed. I'm going to add my acceptance and Q1-3 answers before or on Friday; I'd like to update my content contribs page beforehand, so folks know what I've been up to. That will also give time for the lazier of my nominators to get their statements up ;) Gracias for getting the ball rolling. Hell week, here we go! The Interior(Talk)18:32, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
I fully agree with your decision to include the search capabilities. The co-nominators above did ask for a ping reminder when the RfA was being drafted so it seems right from my perspective to extend that courtesy to Ed, and Ponyo for starters with the rest being left for your determination. :)John Cline (talk) 00:36, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
The weekend before "back to school" is b-a-n-a-n-a-s for my family, but I'll make sure to take the time to put something (hopefully) cogent and fitting together prior to the 1st (likely this Thursday).--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots00:49, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
Same, at the very least I will have something on the 31st, but I should have a little time tomorrow night to write something up and to my talk page messages Ed[talk][majestic titan]02:50, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
It's cool, we don't need to rush it. I'm thinking of postponing til October ... just kidding. We'll wait til everyone's done to translude, no hurry. I'm going for the nom record on this sucker. (btw thanks Tito)! The Interior(Talk)03:12, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I have deleted the co-nom , so, the slot is free again. I am very much sure the RFA will be successful. GW. --Tito☸Dutta10:59, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
You despicable character. Thanks, I know it's late for you, appreciate it. Let's do this thing then. Ed, you want to transclude it, or John if you're still up? The Interior(Talk)03:47, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
Done. Cool, I was going to talk to you when you mentioned an RfC at the deletion discussion. Way to go getting it together. I'll take a closer look tomorrow morning and see if I can add anything to it, maybe a better description of implementation options? And a link to the TfD dicussion, that would be of interest to respondents. The Interior(Talk)01:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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Just saw your addition of the Kitlope to the Gardner Canal article; scanned down to make sure it's not in the "canals" category LOL, but then noticed what seem to be two parallel catgories, or one that should maybe be a subcat of the other - Fjords of British Columbia and Inlets of British Columbia......pondering that as I write this, because there are freshwater fjords of all kinds in BC - I was raised by one (Seton Lake), and there's Chilko, Atlin, Tagish, Owikeno, Powell Lakes and many more.....typically BC inlets are fjords...maybe not always; this probably needs discussion and, ahem, not a CfD involving people who don't know the geography...thoughts?Skookum1 (talk) 05:16, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's a funny one for BC, as there are literally thousands of fjord-like features, especially if you include lakes (my Adams Lake would probably qualify), but we don't use the term frequently. I actually put the Fjord cat up for deletion, but after a discussion, we decided to use it as a parallel cat for features that have been described by geographers as fjords. Use fjord as a geologic cat, and inlet/canal/strait/sound/arm as more nomenclature-based cats (why do we call some maritime passages "canals" anyway?) was the idea. Here's the del discussion: [1]. The Interior(Talk)23:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
I'll be seeing some fjords soon, btw. Got a trip up the inside passage and a few days on Haida Gwaii as a grad present. First time up there. The Interior(Talk)23:47, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Extreme envy causes Ponyo to spontaneously combust... --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 00:04, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
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yeah, was gonna mention weather...take some Gore-Tex anyway ;-) You taking Walbran maybe? Or what's that famous novel/diary Circle of Time about the coast; more sailboat/cove hopping...you just travelling or working?Skookum1 (talk) 16:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Weather's been amazing so far, it's a pleasure trip - present for graduation. Didn't get Walbran, took Charles Lillard's Just East of Sundown and K. Dalzell's The Queen Charlotte Islands: Places and Names. Both very good. Hope to do some article work when I get back, the main Haida Gwaii article is lacking, and there's sourcing for much more content on the islands. This is a truly magical place, everyone so friendly, the forests so lush and deep with moss, the Sitka spruces so impressive. Will definitely be back some day. The Interior(Talk)17:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah I saw the pic, and the one of Rennell Sound.....re the Haida, I'm in touch with the Kaigani Haida about their villages, and offering to help someone among them author an article on them; that's currently a redirect to the main Haida article...curious to see what else you've taken pics of....more lately, maybe via email.Skookum1 (talk) 01:18, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Pat. You know there are times when I'm really disappointed with the community here. Oh well. I have made a request at WP:ANRFC for somebody to close the RfC. Could you please remove the RfC from {{Centralized discussion}}? I have already archived it at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Archive since that page is not semi'd. Thanks.
I was thinking of maybe trying to get FTL added to {{Infobox writer}}, but I'm not sure if I have the stamina for another RfC. Ugghh. Do you have any thoughts? Thanks for the help. 64.40.54.196 (talk) 02:48, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't lose heart, the community can be very conservative about major changes. For the most part, this is a good thing. However, it means it can take a while for editors to warm up to a new, good idea. Regarding putting it in the writer infobox, I think there's a good chance the editors at WikiProject Books would be more receptive to the FTL idea than the community at large. That might be a way forward - integrating it on a smaller number of pages within a set topic area, and allowing folks to try it out on a limited basis. The Interior(Talk)23:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
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Hope all's well. I just saw this. A while ago (inspired by this blog post) I started a little self-educational program of reading Vancouver-based novels. I read a few, but didn't get far. However, I'd like to get back to this plan... What say a collaboration on an article? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 07:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Jon, absolutely! It could be a really fun article, and I need to bone up on my local lit as well. Was just chatting with my mom about this - she's read just about every Canadian novel of note, no exaggeration. I'm more conversant on the contemporary folks, Taylor, Coupland, Gibson, Robinson, etc. BC Studies has some good surveys of BC/Van lit. I guess we should figure out the organisation, probably chronological by genre? And scope also: anything written in the city, or by city natives, or with Vancouver as a setting, etc. User:Maclean25, User:Ponyo, and User:Skookum1 should help also ;)
<Sniff> Every time I see or hear Coupland's name I think of how I missed meeting him at the meet-up and my heart breaks a little. As the project starts to flesh out let me know how I can help (assuming us hippie Islanders are allowed to take part).--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots14:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
You still haven't gotten over that, have you? The coolness of it was sort of lessened by me making an ass of myself, by the fifth time I shook his hand he was pointedly glancing towards the door ... I'll ping you when we've got a draft together - hippie islanders are welcome always in my world! The Interior(Talk)00:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
<Sniff> Every time I see or hear Coupland's name I think of how I missed meeting him at the meet-up and my heart breaks a little. As the project starts to flesh out let me know how I can help (assuming us hippie Islanders are allowed to take part).--Jezebel'sPonyobons mots14:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Vancouver-based novels....not my forte. Reality is so much more lurid than fiction in Vancouver ;-). Quite often the histories and bios have a literary overtone or quality, or are notable because who wrote them. Then there's diarists like Rudyard Kipling, who during his visit to the city in the late 1880s commented on the new kind of enterprise called "real estate"....supposedly Lowry's Under The Volcano] was written in his squat on the Maplewood mudflats in North Van, and of course there's Pauline Johnson's Legends of Vancouver. Philip K. Dick lived in a basement suite on West 10th that I also lived in years later, the male half of the same mutual friends was the movie critic for the Province at the time (Michael Walsh) and his wife Susan told me quite a bit about how....strange...he was LOL (they were science fiction and society for creative anachronism people....). Gotta confess I've never read Coupland, find what columns I've seen by him kinda cliche about the place, almost boosterish, and never had a chance to read William Gibson. Hm there were some in-Vancouver plays written, quite often, and scripts (That Long Cold Day in the Park, an Altman film, was shot in Kitsilano...you know that little park where Cornwall bends into Point Grey Road at Mackenzie? That park, and that neoclassical apartment building were the sets; it bombed.....McCabe and Mrs Miller , Carnal Knowledge and such were not the later-era Hollywood North type of film, but more literary/art in quality....but I'm meaning re theatre much farther back than that; I remember seeing somewhere a thing about a made-in-Vancouver musical or light opera called Atlantis, it opened at the Orpheum/Lyric....Gilbert and Sullivan-esque.....I'll give some thought to which other writers came through town and wrote bits about it....modern-era novels I never got into, partly due to the influence of the late Bill Hoffer, Bookseller, who would regale me with his loathing of CanLit and the "war criminals" of the grant-fed and incestuous Canadian literary establishment ;-). He hated them, but also had the country's largest collection of CanLit upstairs in one of his many storerooms....a good guy to talk to about made-in-Vancouver novels, especially older-era ones, would be Don Stewart at MacLeod's Books. Or Stephen Lunsford, Bookseller, who last I knew had his offices (he's mail-order only) in the Dominion Building. Albion Books on Richards, Antiquarius if they're still around, and what used to be Arcanum out on Hastings past Boundary a block or two, might be good places to quiz the booksellers too....most of my Vancouver readings have been history and journalism, and some poetry (Purdy etc).Skookum1 (talk) 04:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Wayne Holder, an American draft-dodger I got to know well during my years at SFU 1977-1981, was one of the people associated with the Literary Storefront and though he went back to San Francisco to run Lighthouse Books when amnesty was possible, spent his later years in Estonia working on Estonian literature; his associate there, Tom Ilves, also a poet, is now President of Estonia, and there's an extensive collection of his papers and studies there, and also with the University of California. He hosted a series of major poets at the Storefront, or sponsored by them, and at his home on Clay Road in Mission, had some great stories about them - Joseph Brodsky, Czeslaw Milosz, Seamus Heaney, Stephen Spender, and others.....through Bill Hoffer, my roommate and I were security at the Antiquarian book fair in Robson Square once....at one time Vancouver's collection of antiquarian booksellers was one of the city's more notable sides, with buyers coming from all over North America to look for things; MacLeod's and Lunsford have a global clientele.Skookum1 (talk) 04:19, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
There's plenty of material, that's for sure. My understanding is that not only did Lowry write much of Under the Volcano in Dollarton, he also destroyed the entire manuscript once there, as he burned down his shack in some kind of alcoholic stupor. Anyhow, the book has a couple of passing references to BC (as a kind of impossible exit for the Consul), but Lowry also wrote a nice little short story about Lost Lagoon. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:03, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I believe I have the Lowry book, but also understand it's not much good (as patched-together posthumous books tend not to be). Still, there is certainly a lot out there. This is an article whose time has come. Meanwhile, nice review from your sister. I'd happily add it into any article. :) --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 19:34, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
I still have October Ferry to Gabriola somewhere in storage; started it, first few chapters are an interesting trip up the Island Highway by Pacific Coach Lines, has all kinds of interesting British ex-pat cultural observations about how BC residents were, the atmosphere on board the bus, the nature of the small places stopped at; very evocative; and somehow brings to mind Timothy Findlay's Not Wanted on the Voyage, which I never did get around to reading. Hm interestingly I can't find a writers of literature category at Category:Culture of British Columbia....maybe I'm not looking hard enough, I came across an article the other day on a woman writer re some Rock or Channel here she had her place for years.....I think a Stewart or MacDonald, I remember the clan history page was one of the cites...hmmm another of the old "golden age" of writers whose stature was far beyond the BC readership...in all its fickleness and self-absorption ;-|......just searching around Cortes Island, it's somewhere there; the number of Vancouver Island and Gulf Islands writers alone gets impressive when you to them up...Skookum1 (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Not a Stuart, not a MacDonald, it was Gilean Douglas I'd found the article on; Channel Rock (Canada) is where I found out about her. About that article, it's on a dab page where the primary usage is in HK and probably shouldn't be, the dab page should have the Channel Rock title....and in the Cortes Island case, it's the name of her place, not just of the namesake rock, so the dab maybe it' right; for now it's a landform dab.Skookum1 (talk) 10:09, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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User:Khazar (has been removing old POV tags I'd placed long ago on stuff like Hecate Strait and Wales Island (British Columbia) and others where, as usual, I'd myself placed them and run off, and long forgotten about, being caught up in so much else. Hecate Strait was because only Haida stuff was on there, including the name Seegay, which they use for the Dixon Entrance too, though another Haida name has been provided since, but no Heiltsuk or Tsimshian or Kwak'wala, and the bit about the Haida raids and how only they knew the waters of the Hecate Strait made them immune from attack (which isn't true sfaik) and other breast-beating....still uncited, but while the POV tags get removed the citation tags are ignored; on Wales Island it was because of the dual American/Canadian conflicted material on there, as with other border disputes; Alaska and Oregon boundary disputes and what-not and Oregon Country history materials generally have a lot of USian POVishness, and almost no effoert at all (other than my own) to provide the British point of view/sources; and often there's sweeping Canadianisms that don't bear up on BC on such articles, if BC sources are looked at; and on some the Canadian Encyclopedia has been used, and it is an even less reliable source for a lot of things than the mainstream media...; interestingly I had a linkedin request this morning from someone from the Heiltsuk government.....and I so far haven't gotten back to the connection with the Kaigani I told you about. Back in my innocent early Wikipedia days I'd assumed, wrongly, that POV tags would alert others to look at the articles but, no, it doesn't work like that; same with many unref tags e.g. on the British Columbia Interior article where there are many could be added, but.....and on that one I'd added a cite for Robson Valley from BC Names without addding reflist, another editor just deleted my cite without bothering to go "oh, needs a reflist..." which I put on it right after that...... I've realized I'm Canute trying to hold back the tide, and one against many, and the many don't care about content, only guidelines and template-enforcement......the list of speedied name changes by a certain k-character I ranted off on poor Good Olfactory's talkpage again last night LOL.....but I'm nearing the end of my rope....so many things I post on WPCAN and IPNA talkpages just get ignored; in the case of New Caledonia (Canada) I've never been comfortable with that dab, as it's anachronistic; the fur district ceased to exist and became part of Columbia Dept operations/administration even before it came into use to mean all of mainland BC (south of the Skeena-Nass-Finlay that is) prior to Victoria's naming of BC as such....the dab IMO should be New Caledonia (North America) to avoid the point that it was never part of Canada, and as a name ceased to exist before "Canada" came to include BC...other Canadians and others just say "well, it's in Canada now" but again, that's anachronistic.......I've realized the "namespace collision" caused by the imposition of "+people" to indigenous peoples' articles is too widespread to do an RM on all of them; and it was the reason the Squamish RM went through, citing those bad examples which were all you-know-who's speedies.....and I'm in no mood for a giant bulk RM and all the thorny re-education/explanation that would entail.....I'm still puttering about today on wikipedia but think retirement is fast approaching; the last six months back here have been largely trying to fix problems others have created/started and my intentions of expanding history and geography articles are sidetracked...as is my own writing work and attempts to make a living at that.......I suggested to Good Olfactory I'd welcome an ANI about my pithy, very uncivil comments on his page (not aimed at him), and my summarization of Wikipedia's deepening problems there pretty much sum it up.....five months ago I'd pondered trying to get a scholarship for the conference in Hong Kong in August; now I think it's best I don't even think about going.....I'm a bull in the china shop and so exasperated, and cynical, it would be counter-productive for all concerned.....anyways I'll putter about here a bit more, then like Phaedriel did, pull up stakes and pass over in silence and try and apply myself more where I'm not systematically hobbled and bogged down by guidelines and other peoples' lack of readership/research inclinations vs their penchant for treating guidelines like machine-gun fire......the OR from well-meaning but ill-informed editors like TBrandley and his Okanagan Country bandwagon is pointless to try and deal with... in time any meaningful contributions mine here will be all mangled or deleted or merged into meaninglessness......maybe I'm just having a grim week, but .....Skookum1 (talk) 04:38, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Exasperation and Wikipedia go together like Kraft and Dinner. I'm not that comfortable giving advice to people who've been around much longer than me, but here goes ... "my intentions of expanding history and geography articles" - that's the key. That's the fun, enjoyable work, where you get to share knowledge and work constructively with other intelligent people. You have to make that a big part of your Wikipedia time investment if you're going to enjoy yourself. Many of these talk page/project space imbroglios end up having only a very minor result on content - they are timesinks, pure and simple. An internet debate club. I know for a fact you used to do more content writing here than you do now - the edit histories of hundreds of BC articles will attest to that. Try getting back in that mode. Like the Hecate Strait thing, instead of a talkpage fight with Khazar (who's a good egg in my experience) which leaves both parties exasperated, a rewrite on the POV content would leave you feeling satisfied and like you've accomplished something for the day (which would probably spill over positively to your real-life writing), and, most importantly, the information would be improved. Now I'm sounding like Tony Robbins, so I'll stop. There are more problems with B.C. WP articles than both of us combined could solve if we worked every day at for the rest of our lives; all you can do is chip away at it and enjoy yourself. Or find a new hobby. But I for one wouldn't want you to do that :) The Interior(Talk)16:10, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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Just a heads up for this week. For the past few months I have been delivering the EotW Infobox on Tuesday rather than at the same time as the Award. That way its kind of a additional pat on the back a few days later. Thanks for all the help. The confidence of a job being well done is relaxing. ```Buster Seven Talk12:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Buster, I'm going to stick with your two-part delivery, mostly because I'm off to the beach for the evening. (I'm hoping I have it right - message/barnstar today, infobox Tues.?) The Interior(Talk)23:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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Been digging through the British Library collection; see Talk:New Westminster for a cool shot of Laurier visiting New Westminster.....and Talk:Lynn Canyon Park for a really art-y shot of one of the waterfalls there. There's some montages of towns and the locations in the Interior; mystified as to what some of them are, and they need cropping and turning maybe to have a good look. Pity about the resolution, they were scanned in groups it looks like. File:Central British Columbia Series 13 (HS85-10-38108).jpg looks almost like at Lillooet at upper right; can't read the writing on it; below that might be Anderson Lake or Pavilion Lake though it seems to be the same lake as the picture to its left, which doesn't fit either. The lakeside town at third down at left is....hmm? On this one File:Central British Columbia Series 9 (HS85-10-38104).jpg the lakeside town puzzles me, maybe it's Nelson - which is the only place I can think of that's large enough but doesn't have a flat area like that - ?? Some of these give me the impression of being Cranbrook, though the one at upper right could be Merritt. Or not. The two older hotels at lower right look familiar, one might be 150 Mile House maybe, near Billy's Puddle, or maybe the Clinton Hotel though I don't recall its porch looking like that. On this one File:Central British Columbia Series 2 (HS85-10-37909).jpg I'm pretty sure that's Penticton at lower right, just by the hill in the background Mount Nkwala, aka Niggertoe Mountain); lower left is the Sicamous Hotel. Re the steamboat pic see Talk:Steamboats of Lake Okanagan for others. I haven't tried to invert any of these yet, so the upside down ones here File:Central British Columbia Series 5 (HS85-10-37912).jpg may be more of the jackpot at lower left, which is I'm sure of the Hotel Incola in Penticton, which was the CPR Hotel attached to the Lake Service steamers; that may be Front Street at lower right. The Hotel Incola is also on this one File:Central British Columbia Series 4 (HS85-10-37911).jpg at upper left. The whole montage could be Penticton, I think. This one File:Central British Columbia Series 1 (HS85-10-37908).jpg also has the Sicamous Hotel. This one is from teh Vancouver series, and other than a great shot of the old Hotel Van and the Courthouse from the Robson St side, at least one of those is Cheakamus Canyon, note the railbridge.Skookum1 (talk) 07:20, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
also see Talk:List of heritage buildings in Vancouver re a great old drawing of the 2nd Hotel Van and the Birks Building, Edwardian Vancouver at its pinnacle; and on Hastings Street I've added to the gallery a real great pic of the part of West Hastings where the big banks were HQ'd, then the core of the financial district. And File:No 1 Arrival of Li Hung Chang, Chinese Viceroy at Vancouver BC Photo A (HS85-10-8780).jpg this one appears to be at the old steamship docks below the foot of Howe Street, when West Pender was still "Blueblood Alley" and was still lined by impressive/palatial mansions. Ditto this one File:No 2 Arrival of Li Hung Chang, Chinese Viceroy at Vancouver BC (HS85-10-8781).jpg and I thought, hm, doesn't look like downtown.....but this was 1896 only; I thought maybe at another wharf out by the Hastings Mill, but there's not the relief there.....the only other possibility is that the Viceroy landed at New Westminster, which is what the mansions on the hill might be, but then downtown New West should also be seen....puzzling, User:Bobanny isn't active but I'm in touch with him on FB, so will throw these by him. Ceremonial arches in Vancouver have a history all their own; the original Lumberman's Arch was made for Dufferin's visit, and was all huge logs stacked up Parthenon-style; it was what was moved to Lumberman's Arch's location today; the nouveau one was to replace the old one, which had succumbed to rot. Oh, here's one real nice shot of Rossland, probably worth adding to the town article huh? .Skookum1 (talk) 07:27, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Wow, there's a lot of images in there! I'll have to go through them when I have more time. Could do without the mattes, though. I guess you can just download, crop, and upload under a different name. On the image front, I'm working part-time for the VPL now, and the Special Collections people are into helping us getting some of their images into wiki articles. We just need to put together a wish list, as they're not into big batch downloads. The Interior(Talk)04:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations!
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L-space is getting pretty interesting, the VPL has a new reference model. They give you a tablet linked up with the ILS and the OPAC, and toss you out into the masses as a "rover". No more hiding behind desks. Thanks for the wishes, it should be fun. I'm dropping heavy hints with the Special Collections people about a GLAM partnership, they are receptive, let me know if you're interested in getting involved. (I assume you're in the region somewhere?) Best, The Interior(Talk)19:09, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this Kamloops?
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Not sure where else is large enough....that mountain in the background I think is the one on the NE side of Kamloops....or is this Kelowna maybe? here. My Slocan City crop of one of those images just got deleted for not having the right licensing, even though it's from a PD image already in the Commons. Getting tired of delete-o-maniacs.... I don't want to upload any more crops until there's some explanation, see here and here.Skookum1 (talk) 05:01, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Nah, can't be Kelowna, no sign of the lake......the two pics at lower right on that one seem to be from somewhere else.....or where else could this be?Skookum1 (talk) 05:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
It's a mystery. The mountain is reminiscent of Mt. Paul, but it's not. Nor Mt. Ida, too dry as you say. There are a couple notes in white ink, I think one says "N-----, B.C." But its not Nelson, or Nakusp. Gotta be Okanagan somewhere ... The Interior(Talk)07:14, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
the one up from the bottom at lower right, with the water, says "Nakusp"....the one above it doesn't look right, Nakusp doesn't have that much of a hillside. I'm starting to think that they're not all of the same place....Ashcroft occurred to me in the one view of the second from top right but there's not that much bottom land there, nor anything tilled....the place with the hill hmmmm huh? You'd know if it was Vernon...Cranbrook's kinda dry but not that dry.....BC localities are so terrain-specific you'd think we'd recognize the place with the hill right away, sizeable place too......do you think maybe the view of the town taken from the top of that hill? So the hillside in back, behind what looks like farmland......hm Oliver doesn't have a hill like that, not that I recall......those government buildings or schools or hospitals or whatever were probably in teh same place, but given the Nakusp waterfront picture and whatever that is below it - if not also Nakusp....Halcyon maybe? - no it never had a train.....hmmmmmm huh?Skookum1 (talk) 03:19, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I heard from Canoe1967 on the images 'Commons talkpage; he says it's recognizably Grand Forks. As on my comment there, one of the river pictures could be used to illustrate the Kettle or Granby River pages, whichever one it is....I'm still not sure that the far bottom right one is Nakusp, though the one above it is.Skookum1 (talk) 09:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
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As you can see I presented the infobox. I did so that I could ask you a question regarding presentation. As it sits right now, the infobox looks like a column on the extreme right side and then the congrats follow. I don't like that look. How do we get the congrats to move up next to the infobox?? ```Buster Seven Talk13:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Buster Seven, the best you can do is put the infobox at the top of the section, and take out the "clear" temp. That squishes everything over and gives the infobox the right-hand margin. Unfortunately, the preformatted text giving the userbox markup then bleeds into the infobox. We could lose the preformatted bit - just give the userbox markup in between nowiki tags. The Interior(Talk)18:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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Almost got a start page ready. It's too easy to get lost in info about the Kenamo/Alcan project that doesn't really relate to this river. I'm sure whatever I finish tonight will need tweaking, fixing, general expansion, etc. And I won't get to doing any DYK stuff today, although I wrote a possible hook. Anything you can do to improve the page (and related pages!), or come up with DYK hook possibilities, and so on, would be awesome. I was vaguely thinking of a possible hook about how this relatively small stream was turned into a fairly massive, landscape-scouring "drain". My one sketchy draft: "...that the small Cheslatta River was scoured into a major spillway channel for the Nechako Reservoir as part of Alcan's giant aluminium smelting project in British Columbia?" Hard to write good hooks, especially when tired! Also, when looking into discharge data I noted that the peak flow was in 2007, when spill releases topped 600 m3/s (compared to the river's pre-dam natural flow of about 5 m3/s!). Then go figure, when searching semi-randomly for more info I found these two YouTube videos of the 2007 release. I'm not sure if YouTube links warrant even an external links mention (do they?), but...take a look, damn! [3][4]. Anyway, thanks for, well, helping inspire me to actually work on this tonight. Pfly (talk) 06:36, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Holy Crap, grab me a kayak! Thaat is out of this world. I found some geologic stuff - I guess the fact that the deluge exposed 20-30 feet of previously buried sediment strata makes the river interesting to geologists. Will try to add something on that, as well as any info from that big Kemano report, which unfortunately lacks an index. I guess we still have a couple days to get the DYK together - I'm working 10-12 hours a day this week, so it's a challenge to find time. But that's what caffeine is for. Your hook is on track, the other possibility is mentioning the graveyards wiped away by the original flood. I'll find that Evenden book today, my Dewey skills are growing by the day. Nice work so far, and on your other river expansions. My friend John lives up in the headwaters region, I'll ask him for some pics of McLennan, Morkill, etc. I think eventually we should split the Fraser off from List of BC rivers into it's own list (List of tribuataries of the Fraser River?) anyways, talk soon, The Interior(Talk)16:50, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Hey hey! I saw something about geology and the Cheslatta, but only glanced enough to see that the geologists seemed pretty excited. Graveyards washed away, that I hadn't heard, and would be 'hooky'. Yea there's a few days for a DYK. Did I see you just recently got a job as a librarian? Awesome, congrats! Me, I have fifty other things I should be doing instead of WP, of course—in fact just about to be away for most of the rest of the day. Well, no need for perfection, it's just Wikipedia. :-) All else fails I'll just submit a hook like above in a couple days. And yea, I was mindlessly making/adding to pages on upper Fraser river pages—it would be great to get more photos! It's kind of mindless, even relaxing somehow...collecting data from BCGNIS and Water Survey stations, GeoLocator, and browsing topo maps. Mostly I was just looking for hydrometric stations on rivers that didn't have a page or not much of one. I was surprised to find some rivers not on the List of rivers of British Columbia, which seems pretty thorough (a lot of it being Skookum1's work I figure, and he's usually thorough when it comes to lists like that).
I agree on splitting off the Fraser section, and/or just making a new page for it. In fact that was the first thing I was going to do on the Fraser topic, but got quickly overwhelmed. I imagined something similar to List of tributaries of the Columbia River. But the "hierarchical" style is made more complex by the large number of lakes in the Fraser system. I wanted to keep it simpler, but I guess it can't be helped. It's a complex river system. I suppose if lakes have to be included the page could be called List of tributaries and lakes of the Fraser River...hmm, or perhaps List of tributaries of the Fraser River is sufficient. Now I'm just thinking out loud, I'll stop! Gotta run anyway, later! Pfly (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the graveyard info. I couldn't view that page (or pages?) via Google Books, but got enough of a snippet to adjust the cite pages. Trying to get the DYK hook ready—it sure it hard to get it under 200 characters! My first attempts were well over 200. By focusing on just the graveyard bit and leaving out mentions of Alcan, aluminium, and other such I seem to have gotten it down under 200. I even changed British Columbia to Canada and Cheslatta Carrier Nation to First Nation, hoping to reduce size. With those restored I'm somewhere around 180 characters. Actually assuming link brackets and bold quote marks don't count it's 159 characters. I think I will probably submit it later tonight, unless you have thought about changes/improvements/whatever: ... that when the small Cheslatta River in British Columbia was turned into the Nechako Reservoir's spillway three Cheslatta Carrier Nation graveyards washed away?Pfly (talk) 01:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
That works. I've found with my own DYK's that having less links in the hook leads to more page views for the main article, and the reader can click through for context from the page rather than the hook. I wish we cold use some of that video embedded right in the article, it really gives a visceral appreciation for how much water was redirected. I guess we could spam the uploader to release it. As for the librarian job, it's really cool so far. Right in the thick of things at our public system's main branch (one of the best buildings in Van, have you visited?). Anyway, will try to do a bit more expansion on this - there should be some local news pieces about the 2007 release to bring the History section up to present. Awesome work so far, Pfly, as usual. The Interior(Talk)15:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for providing the right page number—I can even view it in Google Books! I found a bunch of additional info from the 1996 Report of the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples, a massive and very official report. The relevant bit about the Cheslatta is, as best I can find it, at this unusual but apparently functional URL: http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/webarchives/20071211055222/http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/ch/rcap/sg/sg40_e.html#118 ...lots of detail I might try to add sooner or later—like that the three graveyards were/are those from Reserves 7, 5, and 9. Alcan says the Cheslatta understood and agreed that the graves at 5 and 7 would be flooded (the Cheslatta say they didn't), but that even Alcan didn't expect the graves at Reserve 9 to be washed away, but they were. And that "...the graveyards were flooded at least twice a year for 40 years until 1992." In 1992 the remains of the graveyards at Reserves 5 and 7 were cleaned, rebuilt, reconsecrated, etc, and yet within a month Alcan released waters "that again flooded the graveyards and washed the new gravehouses and crosses into the lake." Sheesh. The report also has details about the way the very shady way the Cheslatta were forced to move. Anyway, thanks for taking care of the DYK issue—I was about to get to it just now when I discovered you already had and it's been promoted. Great! Pfly (talk) 04:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
PS, I haven't visited the Vancouver main library—haven't even been to Vancouver since about 2002, and that was mainly passing through. Sounds like a sweet job! Pfly (talk) 04:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Barun Biswas
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Greetings, please read this and this Times of India articles. (now, since a film has been made on his life, considering the person now passes Wikipedia notability guidelines, I have started writing Barun Biswas), a) If you feel sympathetic towards this lion heart guy and b) you have some time in hand, you can add few lines in the article to expand it. --Tito☸Dutta07:09, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
He must have had a lion's heart, a tragic story. Very busy these days, Tito, but I'll do some copyediting for Mr. Biswas tomorrow evening. Hope you are well, The Interior(Talk)15:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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The forest wins in the end ...
commented your name on a pic on FB posted by the Haunted British Columbia group of the ruins of Glacier House, just the foundations is what's left. Check it outSkookum1 (talk) 17:04, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Really sorry; I completely forgot - yesterday was so busy. I can do it, but feel free to go ahead, as I won't be on until later. GoPhightins!19:08, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
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Hey! I've done a major redesign of The Wikipedia Library portal. As one of our original volunteers, I'd love you to check it out, pick a role, create a profile to share your story and skills, sign up for the newsletter, and see how you can get involved. I'd also be interested in having a skype chat with you in the next few weeks to see how we can best put your energy to use (or email if that's better for you). Hope you're doing well, Ocaasit | c13:23, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm doing very well, Jake. Good to hear from you. Definitely going to get more involved with TWL in the fall. Did you get my email from last week? I'd love to skype, I'm free Friday, as well as Monday, Wednesday or Friday of next week. Love what you've done with the place! Talk to you soon, The Interior(Talk)16:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
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As to Bottoman, I could see a case being made (probably from the US - we in the UK are more relaxed...) that it was offensive (bottom-man), but it is actually a South African surname (thus coming into the same category as the Indian and other names that contain things like 'nazi', 'shit' and so on, often triggering the UAA bot into action. A quick trip on Google and a watch on contribs usually clears things like this up. The 'bot' thing is normally '-bot' rather than 'bot-' or '-bot-'. Peridon (talk) 10:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I got a South African vibe from Bottoman ;) I did think of the "bottom" meaning as well, but it's ambiguous enough to leave alone in my book. The Interior(Talk)07:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
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No offense to Collect, but if he wants to post a question, he's free to. I'd be happy to go into my feelings on BLP, or even summarize my position in the Rob Ford business. But I don't want to continue an old argument in the comments section. Besides, I have to come up with an answer to this CSD question ;) The Interior(Talk)07:23, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
I really liked your CSD answer. I almost feel like we need that criteria now. After NYB's comment, I was researching the different "... of the Interior" options and I stumbled on a topic I had never seen before. You probably are familiar with it, being well read, but if not, it is interesting enough to share. Have you ever read about Interior (Degas)? I don't think the mystery (of the literary source) is solved yet. Do you?—John Cline (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
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Bio, very sorry for not replying earlier - working all weekend. But I have some free days towards the end of the week. I look forward to talking, I'll update you when I've got my schedule together ... The Interior(Talk)23:29, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
And I added you here. I'm not sure how complete or up-to-date that list is, but it seems like a fairly exclusive little club (especially over the past few years). --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 16:41, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Precious! I trust that you will get to the interior of problems and help solving them, and nobody needs to tell you that "every editor is a human being". Music to celebrate, "cheerful and optimistic", is remembered on top of my talk page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:55, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Much thanks, y'all. Your support (and insistence) made it happen. It's an honour to be counted among folks like you, admins or no. Now, time to block everyone who ever disagreed with me, tagged one of my articles, or has userboxen I disapprove of. I'm allowed to do that now, right ..? The Interior(Talk)21:09, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
I might just block you for saying "userboxen". Also, Ponyo. Quiet down and get an oversighter before the conspiracy theorists get on the case. Edit: oh, you are an oversighter. Get to work. What's the use of having tools if you don't abuse them? Ed[talk][majestic titan]22:48, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the offer, Katie. I'm off to do my admin school course first. Won't wade into anything too heavy right away. Maybe some easy UAA work. The Interior(Talk)01:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
100%, wow! Congratulations on an impressive showing. When you get a chance, block this guy and that guy cuz they've been askin' for it and have long block logs already. On a more serious note, I'd like to get back to the Forward to libraries stuff in the next few weeks. Are you still interested in working on that? Kind regards. 64.40.54.112 (talk) 05:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Congratulations. Not that I am one of much admin experience, and even worse that I'm swamped under a pile of work, but if you have any questions I'll always make time. Mkdwtalk17:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
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My apologies that I could not !vote in your Rfa, despite your having answered my questions. For the sake of record, I should have been in the support column, especially given the nature of your answers to my first question, which showed a progressive understanding of a critical part of our project. If you need any assistance in understanding administration, feel free to write to me. Congrats again. Best. WifioneMessage18:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you. I appreciate the help. 64.40.54.57 (talk) 02:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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