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Please do not introduce incorrect information into articles, as you did to List of natural horror films. Your edits could be interpreted as vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please cite references or sources or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use your sandbox. As with your past edits, the source you provided doesn't support your classification of the film you added as a "natural horror" film. Please be more careful. DonIago (talk) 07:50, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

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Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at List of dystopian films, you may be blocked from editing. I saw nothing at the source you provided classifying Tron as a dystopian film. DonIago (talk) 15:43, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I thought the tags mentioning oppression and gladiator games were clear enough? To clarify, the dystopia is the computer world, ruled by a tyrant who enslaves the other programs. If need be I can find a clearer source.

Also, as I forgot to address Kingsman earlier, are spy films not inherently considered a subgenre of thriller? Because I was under the impression they were. In fact, the Spy film article says "spy thriller" is a common other name for the genre. The King of Shadows (talk) 05:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Tron, I'm pretty sure that category is intended to be used when the real world is a dystopia, not when a "world within the world" is a dystopia. In either case, sure, if you can provide a source that calls the computer world a dystopia, that would strengthen your case, but I still think that would be a misapplication of the category.

As for Kingsman, we have categories such as Category:Spy thriller films, so I would argue that spy films are not being treated as a subgenre of thriller films, but rather as existing on the same hierarchical level. If they were a subgenre, then "spy thriller" would be redundant, because all spy films would inherently be thriller films. DonIago (talk) 06:08, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

All that's fair, I'll just drop 'em and be more careful in the future. The King of Shadows (talk) 09:20, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

I've also had to revert your additions to List of monster movies. For Zombi 2 it looks like you linked to the entry on AllMovie for a 1979 film called Zombie (for which I can't even find an article here), while Blood Suckers from Outer Space isn't described as a monster film on AllMovie. Bride of the Monster is probably okay at least, but you really need to be a bit more careful. DonIago (talk) 14:26, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Zombie is the American title for Zombi 2. As for Bloodsuckers is the fact that it's about vampire zombies not clear enough that it's a monster movie? I ask because that is discussed in the entry. The King of Shadows (talk) 04:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure how a reader is supposed to know that Zombie is the same as Zombi 2; do you have a source that can be provided to verify that?

I have doubts that we should be listing a film as a monster movie unless we can provide a source that classifies it as such, which AllMovie doesn't appear to do; however, given the premise, I would think finding another source might be easy enough? DonIago (talk) 06:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

How are these?

[Zombi 2]

[Bloodsuckers from Outer Space] The King of Shadows (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The link you provided for Zombi 2 doesn't appear to claim that Zombie is the American title, unless I missed it?

As for the site you linked for Bloodsuckers, I can't find any information about the editorial oversight that they're using, if any. In fact, the "About Us" link I found from the FAQ doesn't even appear to be in use. I would recommend a site that's more generally recognized, such as AFI or BFI, given that AllMovie doesn't explicitly classify Bloodsuckers as a monster movie. DonIago (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Re: Zombi 2: Look at the red text on top of the page. It doesn't specify American but it does have Zombie on the list. If that doesn't work I'll check one of the sites you mentioned for Bloodsuckers or see if the article here has a source describing the title changes.

Re: Bloodsuckers: I'll look at the sites you recommended later. The King of Shadows (talk) 21:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

That it doesn't specify American is the problem. DonIago (talk) 02:56, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually, since the article here and the one linked use the original title, is the fact that that article calls the zombies monsters enough to link it? The King of Shadows (talk) 09:47, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

If you're saying that the Wikipedia articles call the zombies monsters, that's insufficient per WP:CIRCULAR. I'm looking at Zombi 2, and while I don't particularly doubt the genre classification, for list inclusion purposes the fact that it isn't sourced is problematic. DonIago (talk) 14:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

No, I mean the article I linked earlier that didn't specify which country used the alternate titles. It does list the film as Zombi 2, which is the title used here as well. The King of Shadows (talk) 15:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Ahhh. Yeah, that should be okay then, if we keep the titling consistent. We just shouldn't draw comparisons between one title and a different title without a source that explicitly makes that connection. DonIago (talk) 15:41, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Also how's this [[2]] for Bloodsuckers? It calls the zombies creatures. Admittedly it's kinda hard to find info on this movie because it's pretty obscure. The King of Shadows (talk) 09:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I can't currently review that source, though I believe BD is considered reliable. I'm not sure whether we have a ruling on whether a creature film is equivalent to a monster film, but if you want to add it, I likely won't revert it, though I can't speak for other editors. Or you could ask at the article's Talk page, if you wish. DonIago (talk) 14:05, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

I can confirm "Creature Film" is AllMovie's classification for "Monster Film" and nobody's objected before, so I'll go ahead and add it. Thanks for all the help. The King of Shadows (talk) 15:22, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Glad I could help! DonIago (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

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Did Black Christmas (1974 film) get removed from that category? If I forgot to add it I can do so. The King of Shadows (talk) 02:49, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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Which one was the issue? The article mentions that it has a historical setting, and the main theme of the film is analyzing Kane's character and psychology. In fact, one of the quotes cited in the article is "a quite good film which tries to run the psychological essay in harness with your detective thriller, and doesn't quite succeed." The King of Shadows (talk) 20:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

To me, that's not the same as calling a film a "psychological drama" or "historical drama", any more than a film having comedic elements inherently makes it a "comedy film". I don't think we should be applying genre-based categories unless the specific wording (or a clear equivalent) is being used; at that point we're engaging in interpretation. You're welcome to ask the question at the article's Talk page if you disagree though! DonIago (talk) 21:12, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

I might do that later, though last time I tried that for Black Christmas (1974 film) I never got any responses. The King of Shadows (talk) 07:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, would [this] be a good source on the film being a psychological drama? The King of Shadows (talk) 20:29, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

The short answer is that I don't know. You might try asking at the Talk page, or at WT:FILM or perhaps WP:RSN. It's encouraging to me that Bangladesh Film Archive exists, but it's pretty barebones. I would typically stick with AllMovie, AFI or BFI for film genre determinations, because they're readily available, and making a point of reaching outside of them, to me, can feel a bit as though one has a conclusion they wish to reach and is now trying to find an atypical source to reinforce that conclusion. I'm not saying that's your intention, but again, I'd recommend a more widely known source. DonIago (talk) 21:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

February 2024

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages by deliberately introducing incorrect information, as you did at 12 Monkeys, you may be blocked from editing. As mentioned before, you need to stop adding categories to articles that aren't supported by the content of those articles. There's nothing in this article to indicate that 12 Monkeys is considered a time loop film, nor is it listed at List of films featuring time loops. DonIago (talk) 05:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Is somebody being traumatized by seeing a guy get killed in front of him and then traveling through time and enduing upas the guy killed in front of his past self not a time loop? I ask because that happens in the movie and is described in the plot summary. The King of Shadows (talk) 23:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

A time loop film is one in which a character keeps experiencing the same or nearly-similar events in the vein of Groundhog Day; 12 Monkeys is not a time loop film because the protagonist's journey is linear; they do not experience repetition of events...but in any case, it's original research to use the plot summary to categorize a film in this manner, and I don't think "time loop" or similar wording is ever used during the film. Categories must be supported by verifiable content. There must be sourced content in the article that descripbes the film as a time loop film or uses similar language for the category to be appropriate. If you're going to continue to struggle with applying categories appropriately then I would suggest that you consider finding other ways in which you can improve this project. DonIago (talk) 03:31, 6 February 2024 (UTC)