User talk:Theleekycauldron/Archive/2022/September

Thoughts on daytime vs overnight nighttime slots

Have you ever taken a look at how hooks perform on average in the daytime queue (8 am to 8 pm Eastern time) vs the overnight queue (8 pm to 8 am Eastern time). My experience is that hooks die in the overnight slot, and I always getting a sinking feeling when one of mine ends up in the overnight.

I'm curious to know if the actual hard data is as dramatic as I suspect.

I'm also curious how technologically feasible it would be to stagger the queues to avoid such disparate exposure. For example, would it be feasible to switch the queues back and forth every hour during the day when they are being featured? Such a staggered exposure would ensure a more even exposure for every hook. Thoughts? Cbl62 (talk) 03:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Hey, @Cbl62! Without adjusting for the locations of the various hooks, I ran a test (with the help of Red-tailed hawk for analysis), and here's what I got back. The set consists of the hooks ran from 2022 July 18 to 2022 July 31, with the corresponding pageview stats from WP:Did you know/Statistics/Monthly DYK pageview leaders/2022/July. When a double hook was encountered, only the viewcount from the first hook was considered.

The "daytime" set (starting from noon UTC, or 5am pacific daylight) returned a mean average of 393.8 vph, with a standard deviation of 314.5 vph. The "nighttime" set had a mean average of 289.7 vph, with a standard deviation of 223.3 vph. The evidence suggests that the daytime set has a significantly larger viewcount than the nighttime set (p < 0.005). Plotting the two sets of data on the two axes yields a linear correlation of R² = 0.978 and a slope of 1.39; this suggests that the disparity should be treated as a ratio, not a difference (e.g. daytime hooks do 36% better on average, not 104.1vph better). Extremely well-performing hooks (above 1000vph) exhibit more unpredictable behavior. Hope that helps!

As far as staggering the queues? Hmm... DYKUpdateBot is mostly reliable, but it's not 100%. 24 queue swaps a day means 24x more room for failure, but it does mean we can run 1.5 or 3 sets a day without a hitch, which is nice. I wonder if there are other solutions out there... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the data. Hadn't thought about the increased risk of error with staggered queues. Let me know if you think of other possible solutions. I'll do the same. Cbl62 (talk) 04:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Fascinating analysis. I've often wondered this too. No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:16, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Question at Template:Did you know nominations/Congress Radio

Would you mind giving some input over at Template:Did you know nominations/Congress Radio? It's about an image question that I have no experience with so I do not know the answer. Or should I just mark it with Template:DYK?again and have someone else review it entirely? - Aoidh (talk) 16:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2022 September newsletter

The fourth round of the WikiCup has now finished. 383 points were required to reach the final, and the new round has got off to a flying start with all finalists already scoring. In round 4, Bloom6132 with 939 points was the highest points-scorer, with a combination of DYKs and In the news items, followed by BennyOnTheLoose, Sammi Brie and Lee Vilenski. The points of all contestants are swept away as we start afresh for the final round.

At this stage, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For the remaining competitors, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them, and importantly, before the deadline on October 31st!

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"Can I Get It" DYK

Hey TLC, is there no way the "Can I Get It" DYK hook can appear with the picture? None of my hooks have ever been pictured. I'd like some tips on how to get this on my future nominations if you have some time...--NØ 06:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey, MaranoFan! I definitely know how you feel – I only ever got one of my noms into the image slot. It's rough. But as a rule of thumb, I try not to put nominations in the image slot if the image diverts attention away from the bolded article. Picturing Adele, for example, directs a lot of attention to Adele (and only a little more to the article you put work into) – that's generally not my goal in selecting the lead hook. I'd rather pick a lead image that captivates the viewer's attention towards the bolded article – nominate something like that, and I'd be happy to put it at the top :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your friendly response. The last time I brought this up, I did not get constructive responses, lol. I do take it that I'm not particularly good at this so I'll probably minimize how many DYK submissions I make.--NØ 06:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: I can see that that discussion may not have been helpful on your end. As for stepping back, I'm definitely sorry you feel that way. I think it just takes practice and feedback (I definitely made lots of mistakes and crappy hooks when I started out). You seem to already have a good eye for hook facts and quality articles, so I do hope to continue to see you around DYK :) but it's okay if that doesn't make you comfortable. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 06:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Archbishop William Henry Elder

Hi - as I mentioned in the nomination, I was really hoping to get an image slot for this article as the subject is a work of visual art. I've waited a month for it to be promoted, and during that time I was hoping that the delay was due to it being saved for an image slot. But I just checked the queue and not only is it in a non-image slot deep on the list, the hook has been truncated in a way that makes it unclear - the wording you wrote makes it sound like it was a portrait of Eakins himself. Sorry to bother you, I'm just a little frustrated with the entire process by now. Best, Lithoderm 02:16, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey there, Lithoderm! I'm sorry, I totally get that nominations take too long to get promoted – particularly during our backlogged periods. I've reverted some of my wording changes, I hope that clears that part up :)

as for the image slot – the reason I felt better putting it in the "quirky" slot, rather than the lead, was that the image wasn't really crucial to understanding the hook. This is a hook that would also if the relevant work of art were a film, or a book, or a TV show episode, because it does what I think more hooks should do – give a catchy, compelling fact that has to do with the real-world, rather than its content. (If you're wondering, I'm pretty sure that the last slot is second only to the lead in terms of average pageviews, although I could check).

I'll consider moving it out to a new image slot in the next few days – we're currently running low on hooks anyway. I can't make any promises, but it doesn't seem infeasible. Thanks for nominating a great hook for DYK! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:09, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Leeky - thank you for clarifying the wording, explaining your reasoning, and for considering saving it for an image slot. Personally I would much rather wait a few more days if it meant that it could get the image slot. I appreciate the work you do for DYK. Best, Lithoderm 17:32, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Prep 6?

It looks like Template:Did you know nominations/Geothermal energy in Turkey hasn't been approved yet, but you promoted it to prep 6 already. Am I missing something? -- RoySmith (talk) 18:13, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Chidgk1 has a whole spate of articles on energy and Turkey – in this case, I promoted the article on Wind power in Turkey (nom) :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:41, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Ah, now I see. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:23, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Surprise (song)

I was looking over it and you removed some important context from the hook. You even took out that the song was picked to be released, which makes no sense to me. Is there a reason why you did this? —VersaceSpace 🌃 19:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

My apologies, VersaceSpace! I wasn't involved in the verification of the hook – another promoter attempted to promote your nomination, but my promotion script wasn't working for them. I fixed that up, and implemented the changes they remarked they were planning to make once they'd promoted your nom. I'll also note that you were pinged regarding the changes in my edit summary – I would've been happy to make further changes if you'd shot me a message. All that being said, I am definitely sorry for not giving the modifications a closer look – absolutely my fault. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

It's fine. If you were really just the messenger I don't want to attack you, and everyone makes mistakes anyway. —VersaceSpace 🌃 14:46, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Congress Radio

Howdy!

Thanks for promoting the hook for Congress Radio to a prep queue here and thanks for tagging me as well.

Regarding the modifications, I definitely see the intent, but, I would prefer that we reintroduce at least the name of the radio station i.e. Congress Radio rather than mask it under underground. Also, I was hoping to use the name of the river i.e. Godavari. I am alright to drop the other bits. I understand and see where you are coming from. i.e. creating intrigue among the reader to click on the link, but, I would prefer to optimize on end user engagement rather than page clicks. Also, I would very much prefer that we go with the image even if it means wait for a few days / weeks. Thanks again for all that you do, TLC. Tagging the reviewer @Aoidh: as well. Ktin (talk) 04:41, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Howdy to you, Ktin! That's no trouble at all :) I've implemented the requested changes. Hope that clears things up! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 22:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @Theleekycauldron:. Did not realize that this one went to the mainpage already. We lost an opportunity to send a woman of color's picture to the homepage, though the request was very clear. Our collective loss. Sad state. Ktin (talk) 01:40, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't know if it's because of the way the ping was edited but I didn't get any kind of notification, which is weird; I only noticed this discussion because Theleekycauldron's talk page is on my watchlist and I noticed the section header in the most recent diff was about something I reviewed. It's on the main page now and in the specific non-image spot with the requested changes already carried out so anything I say would be moot, I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't ignoring the ping, I just didn't get it and literally only just now saw this discussion. - Aoidh (talk) 02:54, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Water under the bridge. C'est la vie. Just sad. Ktin (talk) 04:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey there, Ktin :) truly, a loss; I'm sorry about that. The reason I chose not to add it is because I generally like to see the image demonstrate direct relation to the bolded article. That's definitely difficult to do for a radio station, and I'm sorry it wound up that way. I know we can do better at DYK in terms of representation, and I certainly try. While that goal is important, I also have several other factors to consider – the same that would apply to any request for the image slot. Possibly, a switch to more biographically-focused articles may fare you better – for biographical images, that's generally what I'm looking for. I do hope you keep making nominations for such important figures, as I do try my best to honour them. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:58, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

No worries. Onwards and upwards. Ktin (talk) 02:45, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

NJGov

Congrats. That's a superb article. Had some good laughs. Schwede66 02:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @Schwede66! Quite fun to write :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

One year!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

A whole year :) thank you, Gerda. DYK means a great deal to me. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:39, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The year went fast! - I though of you yesterday when I heard a concert at a great synagogue, pictured on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Sesame allergy DYK

Please consider changing the date mention to January 2023 rather than just 2023. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: I mean, I would think that New Year's 2023 is the implicit assumption of "2023"? Even if not, I don't see why we need to be that specific... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 10:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

I am puzzled. As it appears in Prep 2, the wording is "...that because of the increasing prevalence of sesame allergy, the U.S. will join the EU and Canada in 2023 in instituting mandatory food labeling?" I do not see where "New Year's 2023" figures into that. The fact that the US regulation takes effect January 1, 2023 is very different from stating that it will take place some unspecificed date in 2023. David notMD (talk) 14:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: I guess it's not so clear-cut, but I do think that people who are that curious about the date will be able to click through to the article and read. I'm not sure it's important that the hook mention the exact date to draw in readers. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

DYK for NJGov

On 13 September 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article NJGov, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when asked who let New Jersey have a Twitter account, its manager simply replied, "your mom"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Megan Coyne. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, NJGov), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Schwede66 12:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

September songs

Thank you for this, and for DYK groundwork! The rose pic was taken on 11 Sep 2021, and this year was full of music that day, Tag des offenen Denkmals, not only singing in church and rehearsals for Verdi's Requiem, but two concerts at special places pictured, one a synagogue (pictured on its wall). Today three DYK: a piece we'll perform on Sunday, a violinist we heard in June playing the Berg Concerto (my brother played in the orchestra), and a Youth Orchestra shaped by a conductor who recently died. Almost too much of a good thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thank you for the lovely photos! I haven't picked up my violin in a few months – I really should, but I've been on a piano kick as of late. Glad to hear the concerts were good :) I'm moving soon, hopefully going to find a synagogue of my own theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:09, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 9,813 views (817.8 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of September 2022 – nice work!

theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:03, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Spannungen: you are probably right that the title of the festival is German enough, and a nice play with words, meaning tensions in several respects. But: Heimbach is a nice pun for those who know, "home creek", and it was the pianist's home at the time, so a nice nod. I'm going to write the article of Kraftwerk Heimbach, perhaps soon enough to include it in the hook. Kraftwerk another pun word, "power work", which you hope your piece of music to be. I wanted to write that article yesterday but didn't get to it, today but found James O'Donnell (organist) (like this) and his Psalm 139, - probably not possible to make his article long enough for DYK, but it should look more decent when people look him up. I assume he'll conduct for the actual funeral also. - talking hook stats, take Linus Roth: his name was too short to attract, but the violin got all the hits it deserves (couldn't make Lightburst's work long enough for a double nom), and the composer received a fair share of the attention, - pleasing for me overall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:39, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

ps: I didn't realize that you thought that was just quirky, while the image would say without words what a special historic Jugendstil power plant that is. No link then in that hook, - hopefully we'll get it pictured for the Kraftwerk article. The death of Lars Vogt was the toughest to take of the many I dealt with this year (not speaking real life, just WP), although I never heard him in concert. DYK that I visited the Kraftwerk - just as a tourist destination - with my father? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

today, we sang old music (including Psalm 100) for two choirs at church, pictured, scroll to the image of the organ of the month of the Diocese of Limburg (my perspective), and if you have time, watch the video about it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:31, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: thank you :) saw the video, quite lovely theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 09:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

thank you for listening! - today I'm busy with music for the State Funeral, - just found out that there will be a new piece written by a woman for the occasion and all the article said was "set to music" (until I changed it), - grrr. Like as the hart by Judith Weir. - I'm so proud of the idea to rotate pics in the FA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: I've been thinking about using randomness on the main page for quite a bit – this is a good place to start :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

... and - today - found: Like as the hart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

travel and strings sound --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Eddie Keenan

Hello, I saw your promotion of Template:Did you know nominations/Eddie Keenan to Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2, but was a bit disappointed to see that the image was not added (I feel like the hook is greatly helped by the image). Do you think you could add it to the image slot in a DYK prep area at a later date? Thanks. BTW, that was a lovely hook for NJGov. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey, BeanieFan11! I'm sorry your nom was promoted without an image – I know it's super frustrating. Unfortunately, I'm having a bit of a hard time with sets at the moment – sets generally need a certain amount of different types of hooks (based on whether or not it's a biography and what country it's in), and sometimes hooks just have to go wherever they're needed because we have too many image requests. I'll definitely keep an eye out for you, but I don't think I'd be able to at the moment. Again, I really do apologize! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

and thank you, NJGov was a fun one :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 01:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)