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Re: email

Hi there. I'm sorry if this sounds too blunt, but don't ask to ask - just ask. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 11:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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Re: Croatian Wikipedia

Hello,

I happen to be aware of your recent problems with the hr wiki article on Jasenovac concentration camp, and by chance I just saw your message to Peacemaker.

Not too long ago, I wrote to Jimbo Wales on the topic of Croatian Wikipedia - the message is here.

There is zero chance of fixing these problems from within the hr wiki itself: not only it's impossible to change the offending encyclopedic content - it is also impossible to merely criticize it, because if you do, you'll sooner or later get blocked for whatever "reason".

The WMF, then? Highly debatable, unfortunately.

Feel free to contact me by email, if you prefer. GregorB (talk) 11:12, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I've taken a look at your Google document. I'd like to thank you for writing it. If anything, the current clique has been successful because, unlike the dissenters, they were coordinated, and in time they managed to break the opposition, one editor at a time. That's why it's important to document things and to coordinate efforts.

Things are serious. Here are some edits that will tell you all you need to know:

• Zeljko: [1][2]
• Mateo K 01: [3][4]

This tells you there are no coincidences and, furthermore, that no arguments will help. E.g. you might try to interest other editors in Kafić, but there are three types of editors:

1. The ones who will agree with Zeljko
2. The ones who disagree with Zeljko, but are unwilling to try their luck
3. The ones who left Croatian Wikipedia (either because they were blocked or because they gave up)

You might consider moving the text from Google Docs to your subpage, e.g. here: User:Thhhommmasss/Complaint regarding Croatian Wikipedia. The advantage is that you can also supply diffs (in footnotes, perhaps), and that other people may comment in the talk page.

Months ago, I was asked to write an article for The Signpost on the topic. I want to raise a stink and force the WMF to act. That's what I'm going to do, but I don't have a plan B at the moment. From what I've learned, I don't think appeals directly to the WMF will help - this is as much as I'm willing to say about it publicly. GregorB (talk) 17:08, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hello again!

It appears broken refs were introduced by this edit. They might be found in whatever article the content was copied from. GregorB (talk) 19:16, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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Number of Croat victims and prisoners of Italian WWII occupation.

Hello, I was reading about the Foibe Massacre and came across this section . I see that Slavs and Slovenes are mentioned but what are then stats on Croat civilians. I know a number of them were imprisoned in Italian camps as well. It seems only Slovenes are discussed? Also for Dalmatia in the 1800s, 85% to 90% of the population was Slavic but I couldn’t find the book you cited. Also what Slavs were these? Later it mentions Croatian Language? Thanks, I am not to familiar with this area of history. OyMosby (talk) 01:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

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Please sign your messages consistently by using the four tilde characters (like this: ~~~~) otherwise the talk page becomes so much harder to read with if we don't see who wrote what and when. TIA. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:28, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

March 2022

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. You can have a look at the tutorial on citing sources.

In [5] you mention that "you know these people". Please acquaint yourself with WP:COI. In addition, please observe proper sourcing practices as I mentioned before. If you know that a source mentions the factoid you are quoting, cite that source, not a newspaper article that does not. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:15, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

In [6] you say "in response to repreat claims by Joy that he is not" [the son of ...]. This is simply not true. Please refrain from WP:casting aspersions. Wikipedia is edited through a collaborative process. If you don't understand the WP:BRD cycle, read up on it, instead of continuing to make further mistakes. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

If you think something was not cited correctly there are a number of ways to address this, including posting a comment on the Talk page, posting a need better source template, etc. Schreiner's book which goes into greater detail, including family relations, is specifically mentioned in the cited article. The articl also specifically states Ivan and Lily Ivanek were hung, which is what I cited, and news articles from mainstream media are deemed a RS, per WP rules. You yourself cited a couple of media articles Thhhommmasss (talk) 22:02, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

No, that's not really how things work. Again, please read Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. If you make an incorrect change, it's normal for it to be reverted, and then the onus is on you to start the discussion and explain what you want to do, not the person who reverted the first bold edit. You should not just revert again and rant in an edit summary and then have to be reverted again, and then rant some more. That's the fundamental thing that you really need to understand about the process of editing Wikipedia, otherwise it's going to be really difficult. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 16:20, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Dalmatia 19th and 20th century

Does it seem like the history section of this aryicle became more and more of an hisptrical Italian viewpoint of the populayions and culture of Dalmatia as if invented in the 1800s but Italian before? I am suprised a year went by and [non RS sourced addition was put in]. OyMosby (talk) 23:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Missing citations

Hi Thhhommmasss. You've been adding short form references (e.g. {{sfn}} or {{harvnb}}) to articles without providing the necessary cites. This means you additions are effectively unreferenced. For instance at Alojzije Mišić you added "Tomasevich 1975" and "Tomasevich" without a full cite to define what this works are. Also at Dalmatia you added "Tomasevich 2002", "Tomasevich 2001" and "Tomasevich". You will need to go back through you edits and properly supply cites to any additions you have made. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:02, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

It appears similar sources are missing at Foibe massacres. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 10:07, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

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Foibe Massacres

Hello Thhhommmasss. It appears you have been attacked and called “genocide denier” here and I was attacked and accused of “making things up” here as well as in the edit diffs of the article. All by a user claiming this even was without a doubt ethnic cleansing and claims that the sources all say it and don’t say it was reprisal or not ethnic cleansing. Thoughts? Is this not violating Wikipedia rules on manners, discourse and consensus? I’m not looking to intentionally ignore sources. The person seems quite unduly aggressive. OyMosby (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thhhommmasss. I see your point, but please refrain from such edit summaries as they are not in line with WP:ESDOS and WP:DIS. We aim to promote a positive editing environment and ensure productive collaboration among Wikipedia editors. Thank you. --TadejM ^{my talk} 12:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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an error

I just noticed an odd statement in the lead of The Holocaust in the Independent State of Croatia, and fixed it (the qualifier wasn't in Europe, just in Yugoslavia); history check indicates this was introduced in this edit of yours. I appreciate that you fixed a citation-needed tagging there by replacing it with two references, but at the same time, it could have been done much simpler as an article lead section isn't typically supposed to carry citations for such a factual statement on such a well-researched topic; per MOS:LEADCITE something should only be cited if the statement is likely to be challenged, yet the challenge here was made in this 2019 edit that had no edit summary and was tagged minor by an editor who was subsequently banned from the topic of Yugoslavia in 2020. In turn, your edit introduced a random small factual error, the edit summary makes no mention of that, and I also notice it had a comma at the end of the sentence. It doesn't matter much now, but for the future, please apply a tad more care to avoid this sort of a churn. Thanks. --Joy (talk) 12:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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