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This is an archive of past discussions on my talk page. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

AWB cleanup ....

You know that edits such as this or this or this are frowned on for use with AWB - see Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser#Rules of use #4. It's creating a lot of pretty useless edits on my watchlist and making it difficult to see what exactly is being done with other articles. Can you kindly stop performing such edits? Ealdgyth - Talk 15:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

January 1 CfDs

Can you look at this? I think the open nomination can be closed as a keep. It was my nomination to do something. The introduction has been rewritten. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Archive size

maxarchivesize = 32K? How about something in the range of 300-500K? Your setting is just too small. BTW, I do mine by year. Seems to work well. Vegaswikian (talk) 01:01, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

CfD Discussion

A CfD which you have been previously involved in has been proposed again at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_12#Category:National_Public_Radio. You are invited to participate in the current discussion.  Frank  |  talk  01:27, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

simple-X categories

Hi Tim. It would perhaps be best to salt the simple-X categories. A few hours after you removed Ebe123 from the simple-3 category [1], he added himself to the simple-4 category [2]. Of course Babel AutoCreate then created Category:User simple-4. Gotta love the stubborn persistence of bots. :-) Pichpich (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Commons category and AWB

Hi Tim; edits like this technically fall foul of WP:AWB#Rules of use no. 4, because {{commonscat}} is merely a redirect to {{commons category}}, and nothing else is being altered (see also WP:NOTBROKEN). --Redrose64 (talk) 13:02, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:People educated at Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern

Category:People educated at Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. AussieLegend (talk) 15:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Old Hulmeians

Hi

I think you are a little off on that edit summary. Old Hulmeians is a name used by alumni of Oldham Hulme (yes, we used to call it that as well). I realise that you may be surprised to find it true, yet it is so :¬) Technically we are supposed to call ourselves Oldham Hulmeians, but that is often not the case. Chaosdruid (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Gettysburg Battlefield articles

Thank you for your good work on Hancock Station‎ and Round Top Station‎. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_27#Mercyhurst_College

I missed nominating Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Mercyhurst College in the CFD for a change to Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Mercyhurst University. Can you please get Cydebot to make those changes, too?--GrapedApe (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I've stuck them up for a speedy rename, they should be done in a couple of days. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.--GrapedApe (talk) 15:22, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for reverting that. I've self-reverted. One of the problems with the banners that appear at the top of a watchlist is that they might cause the page to suddenly skip down or up by a line or two, so that something else is in the place of the "diff" link that I wanted to hit. In this case it was a "rollback"... --Redrose64 (talk) 18:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:Catholic sexual abuse scandal in Ireland

You closed this CfD recently. On mature reflection, I think that it should have been re-named to "Category:Roman Catholic Church sexual abuse scandal in Ireland". (i.e. sexual, not sex). Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

AWB usage

AWB (and other automated tools) should not be used for making such "important" changes as this one. There is a specific rule about this. Debresser (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Indexes of articles

About a month ago you deleted Category:Indexes of articles. I recreated it as a soft redirect because I found a broken link at Category:Contents, which I fixed by linking the new Index of topics cat. By recreating the cat, I was able to check the What links here list for other possible broken links. I fixed links in the the following cats:

• Category:Wikipedia article lists
• Category:Indexes of sports topics
• Category:Indexes of video game topics
• Category:Indexes of gaming topics
• Category:Indexes of business topics
• Category:Indexes of toy topics

You might want to check the What links here list one more time before you re-delete. I think I got the important ones. – PIE ( CLIMAX )  10:22, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Church buildings in the United States by state

I'm disappointed (but hardly surprised) to see that "no consensus" means that the ill-considered speedy rename gets kept... --Orlady (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:CFD/W

Hi, Tim! I want to bring a minor issue to your attention. Category:Australian Open (tennis) champions was on my watchlist and, after it was renamed, I noticed that Cydebot deleted it with an incorrect deletion summary. I checked the page history of the CFD working page and found that it was a consequence of this edit.

When an empty category that has been merged or renamed is listed in the 'Empty then delete' section, Cydebot often deletes it without specifying the new name (e.g. here) or, as in this case, with a link to a non-existent discussion, making it more difficult to track the history of a category. In general, merged and renamed categories are best left in the 'Speedy moves' or 'Move/merge then delete' section until they are deleted by Cydebot or manually using a more complete deletion summary.

There used to be a 'Ready for deletion' section, too, but it was removed in 2009 (mainly because CFD/W had become an admin-only page, but I think partly also due to this issue). Best, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 18:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Cfd on cache

Thanks for closing the Cfd on Category:Cache (computing). No consensus for the gerund, and consensus for the disambiguator, but it should be plural. I posted a speedy request per C2A but thought I'd let you know in case you object. – Pnm (talk) 01:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Place names in the U.S. of Spanish origin

This category has now been listified. What needs to be done to delete the category?John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Where abouts is the list? I'll stick the category up for deletion in due course. Timrollpickering (talk) 08:42, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Churches

• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_22#Ambiguous_categories_to_match_the_top_levels_of_the_tree

I'm considering a DRV (or perhaps merely a renom) of these. To clarify, would you please explain how you came to your conclusion about consensus on these? - jc37 22:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I think a consistency nom of the whole tree may be best - this has spiralled into a classic mess of different discussions returning different outcomes on the same core issue.

Broadly the weight of feeling in that discussion is that there's a mix of articles about church buildings and articles about church organisations and articles covering both in the tree, and the current names and set-up create confusion which would be reduced if the tree was specifically & clearly for church buildings (with the relevant articles removed). This would also allow for an organisation category tree. Such a split destination also had support from some of those who opposed the particular journey of renaming the existing categories.

The issue has come up before and on balance the precedents and weight were towards renaming. However given the subsequent discussion I think it best to go for a new broader nomination rather than keeping the discussions separate. Timrollpickering (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I agree, but wanted to at least go through the step of asking a closer to clarify their close : )

I think once all the recent group noms are done, We can see about a more complete group nom. - jc37 02:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hi, there! I just wanted to give you a heads-up on an odd/annoying feature of userboxes: some of them include category links within the actual text of the userbox (I have no idea why, and I've asked at Wikipedia talk:Userboxes) and when a category is renamed the link should, ideally, be updated too (or removed). See here for an example. Best, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 19:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I must have missed that because I zoomed in on the usercategory field. I'm finding templates that populate categories more and more frustrating and wonder if there should be a crackdown. The worst are the ones that don't even name the category directly but instead construct it from entries in a template and thus both elude the search engine and make it very hard to alter them. And then the ones where the category text sits in the /doc rather than the template itself and thus eludes the bot. /rant

More generally there is a problem with links to categories not getting updated when the category gets moved & deleted - could perhaps one of the redirect bots go on the case? Timrollpickering (talk) 00:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Kbdank used to use such language regarding dealing with userbox-populated categories lol.

He used to drop the more problematic ones on my doorstep. Feel free to do the same, I'm happy to help : ) - jc37 02:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I believe my language included a lot more cursing when dealing with that sort of shenanigans. The absolute worst was renaming a category that was built from the parent category name, but other categories that used that construct weren't renamed, so changing the template either broke one set of categories or the other, and nobody was happy, and damned if I could figure out how the hell they came up with it. I get headaches just thinking about them. --Kbdank71 01:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Mmm... good times. :) -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 02:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

You have the same offer from me. The location and nationality userboxes are especially guilty of the problem you describe. And then there are the cases where you can't seem to empty the category no matter how many userboxes you update.

The problem of broken incoming links to categories will be difficult to monitor or fix. I try to remember to check Special:WhatLinksHere and update incoming links for categories that I nominate, but it's time-consuming and only a fraction of the total. About a year ago, I asked for a database report for this issue (here), but it didn't go far. -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 02:15, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Fayenatic london

Just FYI, I'm nominating User:Fayenatic london for adminship. Your opinion on the subject would be welcome. If you wish to co-nominate, you can do so as well. Or just comment as desired.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:08, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Supporting comment added. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Tim, thanks for jumping in quickly with kind words to support my RfA, which was successful and nearly unanimous. Be among the first to see my L-plate! – Fayenatic L (talk) 13:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear Timrollpickering,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and

Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's

Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we

teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community,

and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what

you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community

[[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)/Archive_82#Learn_to_be_a_Wikipedia_Administrator_-

_New_class_at_MSU|HERE]], where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my

students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training,

motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one

of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of

communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)

• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will

never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.

• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an

interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.

• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics

review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have

been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak

with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I

will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your

name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be

more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Young June Sah --Yjune.sah (talk) 21:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

open source health resources

Hi, you recently did a speedy category move - I've placed a discussion about it in Category_talk:Free_healthcare_software. Could you respond to my question? thanks. --Karl.brown (talk) 22:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I presume I processed it but it was another User who nominated it. I've posted details there. Timrollpickering (talk) 23:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Natascha Engel

Tim, could I possibly ask for some assistance with this lady? I supplied a Electoral Reform Society reference to the swing in her constituency but some code on the .pdf page seems to screw up the template.
I know I'm being cheeky but is there any chance you could look at it? JRPG (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

If I've got the right reference it seems to just be the lack of an http:// in the URL. How does it look now? Timrollpickering (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

As per required. Thanks for that Tim. JRPG (talk) 10:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Old Royals

Category:Old Royals, which you created, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

New cfds regarding "Old Fooians"

Two new cfds propose the renaming of some twenty categories. Most of those who took part in last year's cfd "Former pupils by school in the United Kingdom" seem unaware of them, so I am notifying all those who took part in that discussion, to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus. Please consider contributing here and here. Moonraker (talk) 12:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

List of U.S. place names of Spanish origin

I have identified List of place names in the United States of Spanish orgin as connecting to an actual list. There was no reason to undo my blanking, the list actually exists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:50, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for adding the new article I created, Sian Breckin, to Category:People educated at Roundhay School. Much appreciated! Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 04:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of University of Kent Students' Union for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article University of Kent Students' Union is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Kent Students' Union until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Drmies (talk) 22:04, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Former pupils by school in Guernsey

Category:Former pupils by school in Guernsey, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 11:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Former pupils by school in Jersey

Category:Former pupils by school in Jersey, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 11:05, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Former pupils by school in Jamaica

Category:Former pupils by school in Jamaica, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mike Selinker (talk) 11:07, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary

Hi, when making edits like this and the previous one to the same page, please link to the actual CFD discussion where it was agreed, rather than to the generic WP:CFD page which has nothing at all concerning either Category:LGBT journalists or Category:LGBT broadcasters. Without such a link these could both be reverted per WP:DIFFUSE. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Cigar makers

I've moved all the companies, brands, and businesspeople who were not also themselves "at the bench" from the category. Thanks for your help. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Large CfD listings

You may want to consider using Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Large when there are large listings, either based on the article count or a large number or related categories. Doing this does not backup the activity on the small bot tasks. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I gave it a thought but at a glance the raw numbers didn't meet the 10,000 threshold and the last time I put stuff there that was below threshold it was promptly moved back to the main page by another admin. The problem, from what I can see, is that most of the anime articles are quite long and so each takes longer than than the average category rename edit. Timrollpickering (talk) 01:12, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

If my calculations are correct, it looks like those anime categories took about 22 hours to process. Also, I think the suggested max is 5,000 and maybe as a result of this test, it should be more like 1,000. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

The page itself says 10,000 but I think the message on the main page is 5,000 which isn't terribly helpful. 1,000 would probably be more realistic but there should also be allowance for discretion if an admin feels a particular category will be slow to process. Timrollpickering (talk) 18:49, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Looking at Cydebot at the moment it's just done 28 changes in a single minute on the science organizations category so I think the real problem is the size & complexity of the individual anime & mange articles rather than their total number. This problem is going to be harder to spot beforehand and I'm not sure how easy it would be to install an abort & reset button on the bot that would allow an admin to intervene afterwards. Timrollpickering (talk) 20:20, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay there's a handful of anime categories still to be renamed that weren't included in the first lot. I've currently got these parked at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Large but Cydebot doesn't seem to be registering them at all despite going for periods without anything to process on the main page. At the moment the best I can do is to put them on the main page one by one but the remaining ones will take a long time and at some point someone else is going to stick the lot up in one go. Is the Large page actually functioning properly? If not this is an even bigger problem. Timrollpickering (talk) 00:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

76,000+ entries in a single category is simply too many to include in the main list. Clearly this belongs in the large queue for the bot to process. That is well over the 5,000 suggested limit to add at one time. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

This was deliberate to allow the bot to do a bit of useful stuff by scanning some images for manual entry & creating the first destination category whilst I was adjusting the many templates for all the image categories and give the cache time to move them over. The cache is taking longer than previous giant image categories; however the bot is resettable. I've now moved the larger ones over to Large and reset the bot. Timrollpickering (talk) 02:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Anime/Manga of YEAR cat renamings

Just to make sure those interested in particular discussions are made aware of them, please try to notify at least the project about particular discussions. The only way I found out about them was when my watchlist was suddenly flooded by Cydebot renaming categories I was watching (since I created them in the first place). This will help to avoid any possible concerns from the project. Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 08:45, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Category:Archaeology artifacts of China

I have nominated Category:Archaeology artifacts of China for a full discussion here. Since you opposed the original nomination for speedy renaming, I thought you might be interested. Cheers! -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 23:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

"Timrollpicerking": I don't know all of the rules, and don't know why that guy closed the discussion. Please re-open it.--RichardMcCoy (talk) 17:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Firstly please stop putting usernames in quote marks. Timrollpickering is my actual name, it's just that like you I omit the spaces (and hyphen) for my usernames and also I stick to lower case (a habit from the earlier days of the net).

I'm not going to re-open discussions on individual user requests - it will make no difference now. I suggest you go to WP:DRV, which has instructions on what to do (and how to ask for help if you need it) - this is much more likely to produce a settled outcome. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. What a mess, waist of time and what a joke this whole process has been. --RichardMcCoy (talk) 17:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Postal workers

• Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_9#Small_and_trivial_suicides_by_occupation_categories

Not sure how you chose which ones had no consensus (though I honestly don't strongly care whether they stay or go) but as two of us noted clowns, I wanted to note that 2 of us noted postal workers as well. - jc37 06:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Postal workers were specifically mentioned by three users, but one was giving them as a example for keeping all and another was refuting that argument, and it's not clear how the specific case is more significant than other killing-suicides at (former) places of work. Clowns were raised by two, with the point made that there is more of a noted link between the job and one committing suicide (implicitly because of someone doing a job of comedy & joy then succumbing to sadness). Timrollpickering (talk) 12:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Please see: Going postal. - jc37 21:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

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