User talk:Tom Morris/Archive 16
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Thanks for your messages.
The specific pages that have been copied are [1] and [2] - with the generic home page address, I was trying to indicate (though not very well!) that the copyright violation spanned more than one page. Having looked at the home page again, I can appreciate that this may well have caused some confusion. SuperMarioMan 09:39, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- No problem. Glad we resolved it. —Tom Morris (talk) 10:02, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Move close on Mrs Brown
I think I'm going to take your close at Talk:Sarah_Jane_Brown#Requested_move_5_.28March_2013.29 to Deletion revew. As said in the debate, the problem with this is that she is never referred to by this name, so it is no help to readers. Your close ignored that the Women's History project, but no others, had been canvassed, and a number of the editors participating came from there. The arguments in your close do not address the issues raised by either side in the debate, and previous ones, & don't really stand up. Let's look at them: "There seems broad consensus that the current naming is problematic - yes, and all other names suggested, including the one you have closed in favour of. Avoiding a carnival of contentious and time-consuming arguments about the most appropriate parenthetical description for disambiguated person articles is a desirable end goal here - really, why? It is some years too late for that anyway. The carnival has been held several times, & no doubt will be again, and moving the article to 'Sarah Jane Brown' means we can quickly cut short a debate about whether "wife of X"/"husband of X" type phrasing poses issues - even if at the cost of leaving editors who know who they are looking for with no recognizable option in a search box. The debate had happened, & it the job of a closer to assess it rather than just by-pass it." I'm raising it with you first, as per procedure. Johnbod (talk) 11:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm happy to vacate my closing and have another admin close it. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- I've unclosed the RM discussion. Another admin can take a shot at closing it and if appropriate move it back. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks Tom - see you at the GLAM-WIKI. Johnbod (talk) 12:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- I've unclosed the RM discussion. Another admin can take a shot at closing it and if appropriate move it back. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Seeking more info/advice on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shift4
Hi Tom,
I'm not very familiar with the Wiki platform, so I'm hoping you can help me. I see that you are the moderator who ultimately deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shift4 [1]
I am considering a deletion review with purpose 4, "to have the history of a deleted page restored behind a new, improved version of the page (called a history-only undeletion)", but am unsure how to proceed with the rewrite as the Shift4 page is now clearly marked with bright red "please do not modify" tags. I have identified a number of independent national publications which can be used as proof of WP:CorpDepth, as well as a number of wiki articles that will prove Shift4 is not an orphan.
The DeletionReview page asks me to "discuss the matter with the closing administrator and try to resolve it with him or her first. If you and the admin cannot work out a satisfactory solution, only then should you bring the matter before Deletion review", so that's what I'm doing. Can I have you review a potential rewrite and then undelete the page (or do a history-only undeletion), or would the I have to request a deletion review and then submit the rewrite to another moderator?
Your expert advice is appreciated.
Cheers, Casper n (talk) 20:47, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Deletion review is only used when you feel the admin erred in their closure of the deletion discussion. Broadly this is for objections on procedural grounds: if you think, for instance, that I gave the wrong weighting to opinions offered in a deletion discussion. I don't think I have erred in this case, but obviously you are welcome to disagree. I think if it were to go to deletion review, the deletion review would probably close in my favour as there has been no procedural failing in my closing of the discussion.
- That said, if you have sources to write an article that doesn't fail WP:CORPDEPTH, then the matter of deletion review is irrelevant. As I said, deletion review is for challenging a deletion where the admin hasn't followed procedure. That's not necessary here.
- If you can provide a simple listing here of the sources and show that WP:CORPDEPTH is met, I'd be happy to undelete the article, and either "userfy" it so you can work on it until it is satisfactory to move into article mainspace, or we could move it straight into mainspace if it is ready.
- I'm a bit busy over the next few days, but if the sources are there, I'm happy to reverse the decision or delegate the task of doing so to another admin. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #53
- Development
- Got some external professional review of our code and architecture and started working on their feedback
- Worked on reducing the dispatch lag (the time it takes for changes on Wikidata to be sent to the Wikipedias for display in watchlist, recent changes and to purge affected pages)
- Worked on using Redis for job queue to improve the lag situation even further
- Created new Wikibase Query extension for phase 3 functionality
- Autocomments & Autosummaries for SetClaim module
- Worked on the GeoCoordinate parser
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- right now: GLAM-WIKI 2013
- Discussions
- The RFC about bureaucrats was closed
- RfC about policy for translation admins
- We need feedback from contributors working on references addition or having tried to add references to statements. Please comment about your problems or your trials at d:Help:Sources
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- Deployment of phase 2 on the remaining Wikipedias was delayed because of a high lag of changes being propagated to the Wikipedias. The lag has been reduced considerably now and is going down even more. The new date for deployment will not be next week because there are other large changes on Wikimedia infrastructure scheduled that we do not want to interfere with. It will hopefully happen very soon after that though.
- Next code update on wikidata.org is planned for Wednesday. This should include qualifiers and bugfixes.
- There will probably be a short outage/read-only for wikidata.org on Tuesday (database is being switched to MariaDB)
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- There is a new user right: property creators
- There is now a page to request deletion of a property
- We now have Bureaucrats
- Reasonator was improved and extended (1 2)
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Hello Tom Morris,
Kevjonesin here.
Thanks for seeding the Society of Decorative Painters page. My Mom's quite active with a local chapter so I was inspired to check for a Wikipedia entry. Was nice to find that someone had already done the groundwork.
In looking at your User Page I noticed that you expressed an interest in LGBT Outreach. I've got something that might be of interest to you. To either work on yourself or to refer to someone who'd enjoy the task. Hoshen (Israeli LGBT Organization) is in need of some TLC. At present it's a stub/skeleton mostly salvaged from a deleted predecessor which a few months ago had usurped the pre-existing heavily linked 'name redirect' page Hoshen which connected to Priestly breastplate (a page which had actually originated at Hoshen before a move). A bit of 'googling' left me feeling that the Israeli LGBT organization is noteworthy enough to deserve a page and there are still a few links to Hoshen on LGBT oriented pages which could use a place to land.
I've only recently branched out from basic proofreading edits and have already stretched my learning curve a good bit in my recent work on Hoshen, Priestly breastplate, and Hoshen (Israeli LGBT Organization). And, frankly, would like to move on to other projects but it would please me to know that someone skilled was aware of (and hopefully taking an interest in) the Hoshen (Israeli LGBT Organization) page.
Thanks again for your work on the SDP page,
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Do anon usernames that start with 2600, 2601 or 2602 mean anything in particular?
Hi Tom. Do anon usernames that start with 2600, 2601 or 2602 and look something like this: Special:Contributions/2601:0:8E00:35:D49A:571F:A979:CC62 mean anything special in Wikipedia-land? I've seen a lot more of these sorts of addresses, that are clearly not ordinary anon/IP addresses recently, some from vandals. Do you know what they are about? Or where I can read more about it? Cheers. 03:02, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Those are IP addresses—IPv6 addresses! They can be blocked like IPv4 addresses: see Wikipedia:Blocking IP addresses. If IPv6 addresses are vandalising articles, please report them as usual to WP:AIV (etc.) —Tom Morris (talk) 07:34, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
- Oh, thanks very much. I was vaguely aware of the existence of IPv6, but had never seen nor really groked that IPv6 addresses would necessarily look different; which makes a lot of sense. I am now so educated. Thanks! N2e (talk) 11:08, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #54
- Development
- Dispatch lag is now down to 0 so changes should show up very quickly on the Wikipedias in watchlists and recent changes
- wikidata.org now always redirects to www.wikidata.org. This should among other things solve the issue where people were not able to edit when on wikidata.org (bugzilla:45005)
- Fixed weird blocked-user/protected-page handling in UI (bugzilla:45140)
- Final meetings for the external professional review of our code and architecture. They were quite happy with the quality of the codebase and gave useful tips for improvements
- Worked on automatic summaries for editing claims
- Investigation of different JavaScript frameworks dealing with date and time
- Worked on using Redis and the job queue for change notifications to clients
- Work on the storage code for answering queries
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- GLAM-WIKI 2013
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- Deployment of phase 2 (infoboxes) on English Wikipedia is planned for April 22. All remaining Wikipedias are planned for April 24.
- Qualifiers are available now. In the same update several bugs have been fixed mainly related to Internet Explorer 8. At the same time search has been made case-insensitive. More details here.
- d:Wikidata:Notability has been completely rewritten
- Cool task force page: d:Wikidata:Video games task force
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College football AfDs
Hello, Tom Morris. I have a few questions regarding the following AfDs:
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 Buffalo State Bengals football team
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2011 St. Norbert Green Knights football team
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 Buffalo State Bengals football team
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2010 St. Norbert Green Knights football team
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 Buffalo State Bengals football team
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2009 St. Norbert Green Knights football team
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2008 St. Norbert Green Knights football team
This set of AfDs is unusual because each article was submitted individually, but is part of a larger en masse deletion discussion. What are your thoughts on the proceedings? I see that you have decided to relist each AfD listing. Are you waiting for consensus to be reached on all articles, even though they were submitted individually?
I support the decision to relist the debates to allow for additional discussion, but unfortunately I will be on vacation starting on Friday, April 26. Do you think this will be an issue, especially if there have been concerns that I didn't handle the AfDs properly? Edge3 (talk) 12:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- They should ideally have been done as a group. I've relisted them because there's not enough consensus on the notability for me to make a decision whether to delete them. I may pop in and add a note on each one saying "if you have an opinion on the deletion of this article, perhaps you should also go have a look at these AfDs". Do feel free to do that if you wish.
—Tom Morris (talk) 12:55, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick response. Have you seen the initial nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Buffalo State Bengals football team? That was closed as "no consensus", and the closing admin recommended that I resubmit articles individually. I'll add a note to each AfD, as you suggested. Best, Edge3 (talk) 13:01, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, I've recently made some major style and formatting changes to this page, and since it doesn't have an active talk page or enough watchers to register, I'm poking the last few editors to get feedback (Yes, the page has been essentially idle for about two years). Unfortunately, copywriting and editing isn't my thing, I don't have access to the sources, and the article as it stands is largely uncited. Yes, I realize that most of the 'career' text is obviously sourced, but it is unclear which source was used for it. From the edit history, it appears the only change you made was to add the citation, without changing the article text. Since the list of references was incorrectly formatted when I came along, it was unclear if your intent was to add.... "Aaron, Richard Ithamar". Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/65645 ....as an actual cite for statements made in the article, or as a source of additional information. (Yes, this is not the exact cite you added, I converted it to use Template:Cite ODNB)
I know this was a long time ago, but if you could please clarify it would be nice. Revent (talk) 15:05, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #55
- Development
- Started working on support for the Time data type in the frontend (editing/displaying of time values)
- Fixed copyright tooltip’s issues where it was not possible to dismiss it
- Started work for making it possible to track where on the client a property is used
- Work on dispatching changes to Wikipedias via the redis job queue
- Introducing core hooks to allow us to avoid page re-rendering when language links are changed
- Implemented automatic comments for setClaim (adding/setting claim, adding/removing/changing qualifiers)
- Investigated issue where edit conflicts are detected in error
- Fixed wrong revision shown in history-view
- Events/Press
- A lot of articles about the deployment of phase 2 on all Wikipedias among them: Wikipedia-Datenfundus Wikidata geht in den Regelbetrieb, Wikidata goes live worldwide, Wikidata-revolutionen är här: Möjliggör strukturerade data på Wikipedia
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- Introduction to Wikidata - talk at the British Library
- OpensourceTreffen in Munich
- Upcoming: Hypertext 2013
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- Phase 2 has been deployed on English Wikipedia and all remaining ones
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UK Road signs in deleted edits
File:Lorry_UK_Sign.png File:FLOWER GARDEN UK Brown sign.png File:BEACH UK Brown sign.png File:HEAVY_HORSE_UK_Sign.png File:STEAM_RAILWAY_UK_Sign.png File:Tourist Watermill Brown.png File:Tourist House Brown.png File:Roundabout_Ahead.png File:Stately_Home_Brown_Sign.png
These could be re-instated with a change back to the original user license for the specfic image, and Open Government License for the artwork from which they are derived. Thanks :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 08:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Done Please ping me when they've been moved over to Commons and I'll delete them locally again. —Tom Morris (talk) 12:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
Moltmann
Thanks for your kind comments on the Moltmann entry. I remember that, at the time, there was plenty of biographical material but nothing to indicate why he is such an important modern theologian. It was true of Pannenberg too, and it's a bit of a problem with theologians generally. Wish I had more time to devote to it, really. Sjwells53 (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
- Twentieth century theology has always been something I've found interesting, from the Death of God folks to post-Holocaust theology. I'm not a believer, but I'm interested in just working out how that realm of thought operates. So, yes, thanks for the work you've done on it already. —Tom Morris (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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the removed comment from my edit history
FYI - thanks for keeping an eye out, I did want to let you know that was me as an IP editing my talk page to show off the new Echo system to someone. After I had a few beers. ;) SarahStierch (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm glad you are drunk-editing as an IP rather than with your admin account. (I once got drunk and went for a merry little fly in my spaceship in EVE Online. Which always ends badly.) —Tom Morris (talk) 19:59, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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Wikidata weekly summary #57
- Development
- Implemented basic editing of Time values
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- Newest properties: ISO 4217, CBDB ID, ORCID, country of origin, ICD-10, ICD-9, OMIM ID, orbit diagram, provisional designation (astronomy), currency symbol description, chairperson, Unicode character, MeSH ID, archives at, IMA Number
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Wikidata weekly summary #58
- Discussions
- What should be done with the property stable Version?
- Sex Ratios in Wikidata, Wikipedias, and VIAF
- The Ropebridges: Authority Control in Wikidata
- Events/Press
- A lot of Wikidata-related submissions have been accepted for Wikimania
- Treffen der Redaktion Chemie
- upcoming: MediaWiki hackathon in Amsterdam
- upcoming: Linked Data in Business
- Other Noteworthy Stuff
- d:Help:Lua is now the place for all things Lua on Wikidata
- Item d:Q13000000 is Devarakonda, a village in India.
- The geographic relation "exclave of" is the property with the ID 500.
- English Wikipedia discussion closes allowing for use of Wikidata
- Template to display a tree based in Wikidata data
- Deployed new bugfixes on wikidata.org including a fix for pages not being added to the watchlist automatically plus the first version of the RDF exort
- The ability to include data using the property label is planned to be deployed on English Wikipedia on Monday and all others on Wednesday (You can then for example use {{#property:logo image}} in addition to {{#property:P154}}.)
- Did you know?
- Newest properties: exclave of, enclave within, HURDAT identifier, ISO standard, home port, general manager, ISO 15924, Swedish county code, BNFC Thesaurus, cause of death, brother-in-law (sister's husband), honorific prefix, academic degree, birth name, interleaves with, state, phase, powerplant, interaction, part concerned, armament, scheduled service destination, type of orbit, temporal range start, temporal range end, Swedish municipality code, located on island, consists of
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- Development
- Simplified the inclusion syntax (this is one way how you access data from Wikidata in a Wikipedia article - the other one is via Lua)
- Result of the external codebase review has been published
- Worked on implementation of editable time values in frontend
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- Added new array comparison code and started work on merging diffs together in Diff
- Progress on the SQLStore
- Improved many unit tests by removing unneeded dependencies they had
- Bug fixing
- Made property parser function code more robust
- Worked on EntityPerPage rebuild script, to enable it to run for Wikidata to fill in missing entities in the wb_entity_per_page table
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