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Todo list & requests * To recheck diagram maps update to new standard: Belgrave railway line, Lilydale railway line - Ready to do now Union open add Jolimont workshops to track maps: Pakenham, Cranbourne, Frankston, Sandringham, Glen Waverley, Alamein, Belgrave, Lilydale add 1 former siding to track infobox: Frankston, Sandringham, Glen Waverley, Alamein, Belgrave, Lilydale Completed Finished good articles Pakenham line Cranbourne line Frankston railway line Lilydale railway line Belgrave railway line Mernda line Stony Point railway line Alamein line Upfield railway line (+ the Somerton link) Awaiting good article assessment N Sandringham railway line N Glen Waverley railway line N Hurstbridge railway line Craigieburn line Sunbury railway line Werribee line Williamstown railway line N Flemington Racecourse railway line Warrnambool V/Line rail service Awaiting rest of page cleanup My bits (service & track maps, service & track infoboxes, stopping patterns, and station history) all done Red Hill railway line Spring Vale Cemetery railway line St Kilda – Windsor railway line Rosstown Railway Outer Circle railway line Kew railway line Whittlesea railway line Inner Circle railway line Healesville railway line Yarra Valley Railway Warburton railway line Port Fairy railway line (via Werribee) Woodside railway line Wonthaggi railway line Outtrim railway line Welshpool Jetty railway line Other completed tasks These articles may not need a page cleanup but placing diagrams adding some content has still been completed Y PTV Ferries - 3 route maps Y Updated Template:BS-AUSgauge to remove need to show all three (broad, standard, & narrow gauges) when only 1 or 2 of them are needed. Then update it's usage on other pages Y Updated and added source for distances on List of railway stations in Melbourne Y Updated Protected areas of Victoria using available CAPAD2022 data - some references were up to 15 years old Y Updates to Wikipedia:WikiProject Victoria - in particular to Assessments by creating pages to monitor and discuss article improvements by sub categories (eg modes of transport, geography, etc) Y old North East railway line Split into North East railway line (Albury) & North East standard gauge railway line Current If any editor needs me to update any route maps (service / track), infobox (service / track) stopping patterns, station history date table, etc., or anything else please request them here  High Priority North East railway line (Albury line via Essendon) - Y track map, Y infobox, Y station history  High Priority North East standard gauge railway line (post 1962) -  Doing... track map,  Doing... infobox, Y station history Albion–Jacana railway line - Y track map,  Doing... track infobox,  Doing... station history South Kensington–West Footscray railway line -  Doing... track map,  Doing... track infobox,  Doing... station history  High Priority Albury V/Line rail service -  Doing... service map,  Doing... service infobox (need journey time),  Later stopping patterns, Y station history  Doing Geelong V/Line rail service - Y service map, Y track map,  Doing... service infobox,  Doing... stopping patterns, Y station history  Doing Deer Park–West Werribee railway line - Y track map,  Later infobox, Y station history  Next Update to new proposed standard: Belgrave & Lilydale route diagrams - Ready to do now Union open  Later Ballarat V/Line rail service - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns, station history  Later Ararat V/Line rail service - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns, station history  Later Serviceton railway line - track map, infobox, station history  Later Maryborough V/Line rail service - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns, station history  Later Yelta railway line - track map, infobox, station history Not sure. Former Mildura service (Vinelander) - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns?, station history  Later Bendigo V/Line rail service - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns, station history  Later Echuca V/Line rail service - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns, station history  Later Deniliquin railway line - track map, infobox, station history  Later Swan Hill V/Line rail service - service map, track map, service infobox, stopping patterns, station history  Later Piangil railway line - track map, infobox, station history  Later Melbourne Airport rail link - Y track map, infobox  On hold Update the Australian and New Zealand naming convention - Wait for Draft:Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian Transport  On hold Add sidings Flemington Racecourse route diagrams and station histories section - Needs a bit of investigating  Started BSicon map of the Murray River - Continue when no other projects at to be done (Long term project)  On hold List of locomotive classes by state -  Later Aus National (no particular state),  Later NSW,  Later Qld,  Later SA,  Later Tas, YVic,  Later WA - Continue when no other projects at to be done (Long term project)  On hold Tidy LGA bits (sorting into LGA) -  Later Mountains, Y Parks,  Later Waterways,  Later Towns,  Later Transport,  Later VHR - Continue when no other projects at to be done (Long term project)  On hold Alstom Australia - I DON'T HAVE **** TIME! On hold Stations / Sidings Currently these are sidings that don't have enough information to be classified as railway line articles, but as sidings off the other train lines... APM Siding -  Later siding track diagram,  Later infobox Broadstore Siding -  Later siding track diagram,  Later infobox  On hold Mont Park railway line - possibly change to match the other 2 -  On hold siding track diagram,  On hold infobox Others to do  On hold St Kilda railway line - Possible split from tram line. If split from tram line, then possible merger with St Kilda – Windsor line  On hold Port Melbourne railway line - Possible split from tram line  On hold Mornington railway line - Is a separate page needed or is it covered by Mornington Railway?  On hold Mornington Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history  On hold Gembrook railway line (non-tourist line) - Is a separate page needed or is it covered by Puffing Billy Railway?  On hold Puffing Billy Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history  On hold Powelltown Tramway - track map, infobox, station history  Waiting on page creation Britannia Creek Tramway - track map, infobox, station history  Waiting on page creation Warburton Tramway - track map, infobox, station history  On hold Wait until doing standard gauge (due to overlap) Newport–Sunshine railway line - track map, track infobox, station history  On hold Webb Dock railway line - and the other docks? (Swanson, Appleton, Victoria)  Waiting on page creation Maribyrnong railway line - Waiting on page creation  On hold City Loop (need to include above ground section) - page restructure in talks - track map, track infobox, Ystopping patterns (summary table), station history  On hold Bellarine Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history  On hold Daylesford Spa Country Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history  On hold Victorian Goldfields Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history  On hold Walhalla Goldfields Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history  Waiting on page creation Red Cliffs Historic Steam Railway - track map, service infobox, track infobox, station history Western Standard Gauge sections South Kensington–West Footscray railway line Sunbury railway line Newport–Sunshine railway line Werribee railway line Port Fairy railway line Geelong–Ballarat railway line Gheringhap–Maroona? Serviceton railway line  In progress Y N Y Y N N N North Eastern Standard Gauge sections South Kensington–West Footscray railway line Sunbury railway line Albion–Jacana railway line Craigieburn railway line North East railway line (Albury line)  In progress Y  In progress Y  In progress Notes Alamein & Outer Circle: see Talk:Alamein railway line#Alamein or Outer Circle??. Due to station being reconstructed, both the service and line route maps only show an approximate location for these station (This will be updated upon completion of the stations when an official distance is listed). Also the journey times on the service map after the reconstructed stations are only approximates (There may be changes to this after they are reconstructed). Frankston (Glenhuntly) Lilydale (Croydon) Pakenham (Pakenham & East Pakenham) Comments For older comments see Archive 2 (section). @HoHo3143, What order are you are planning to do the V/Line services in? I'll work out the various necessary lines that are involved and the order to best order to do them (eg: Serviceton Line will be better to save until doing Ararat Service) and what line each service is actually on (eg: Bendigo Service is Deniliquin Line). --ThylacineHunter (talk) 11:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC) I'm planning on doing the order listed in this table here. It's basically a reverse of the order which I did the metro services. Also question- did I get it right about the lines that the service uses? HoHo3143 (talk) 11:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC) I wanted to just double check the order. As for the lines used, I'm 99% sure what I originally listed is correct, but I'll double check as I get to each one (who knows, there may be a surprise I didn't know about) I'll get to this asap, as I'm currently involved with redoing Protected areas of Victoria (may do both simultaneously). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter thank you. Are you able to do the stopping patterns so I know wether or not Warrnambool services stop at certain stations? This would allow me to finish the stations bit and move on to other areas like accessibility and rolling stock whilst I wait for you to finish your other project. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC) The Geelong and Warrnambool use the Serviceton (Deer Park to at least Sunshine) and possibly Deniliquin (Sunshine to Southern Cross). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:49, 12 May 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143, Warrnambool stopping pattern & service infobox are done. Take special note with VLine services of the "Predecessor" list, most services had 'special names' (particularly in the 1980's). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 00:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC) Thanks for doing this. I'll continue working now. HoHo3143 (talk) 03:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter does V/Line operate any maintenance trains like Metro does? I can't seem to find any information about if they do. HoHo3143 (talk) 06:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC) Joint V/Line and Southern Shorthaul Railroad (SSR). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 11:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC) The route maps for Geelong service physical track and Deer Park–West Werribee line are done and uploaded. I'm waiting on some icons for the Port Fairy line (dual and standard gauge bits). Port Fairy line & Warrnambool service physical track are done up to Waurn Ponds - rest still needs checking for former stations. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 10:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC) Thank you! I'm continuing to work through Warrnambool. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143, I fixed a mistake with Warrnambool stopping patterns. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter I have almost finished the Warrnambool article- I just need to add some images. Can you please have a look over the article to check for spelling, grammar, and accuracy of information? As most of this information will be copied to other pages (eg the accessibility or rolling stock) I want to make sure that it correct and error free. Also sorry this has taken a while- I've been busy with school recently. Let me know once you've reviewed it and ill add images and submit. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:30, 22 May 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter also should I discuss the LXRs at deer park? I'm guessing I should. HoHo3143 (talk) 10:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143 yes. I'll have a look at the page tomorrow. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 11:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter apologies for the lack of action over the past few weeks. For the next week I have my school exams so I won't be working on the current projects. I'll let you know once they've finished so I can continue on. HoHo3143 (talk) 04:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter I've finsihed fixing the Warrnambool service page- is everything fixed? If so I'll move onto the Albury service. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:15, 10 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter ok so I've set up the Albury service page to be rebuilt. Once you say that the Warrnambool service is finished, I'll nominate it and start working on the next one. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC) Could do with a mention in the history section about the named services The Flyer (extended to Warrnambool between 1927–c.1967) & The Westcoaster (1987–c.2004). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:30, 10 July 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143, Other than that all looks good. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:32, 10 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter ive added both mentions- im guessing this is finished now? HoHo3143 (talk) 12:38, 10 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter I've gone and nominated it and will move on shortly. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143 I've tweaked it a little, and I'm happy for it to be nominated. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter thanks for making the North East standard gauge railway line article. I am going to make a quick layout guide for track pages so they are uniform with one another. I'll let you know soon once I've finished it. HoHo3143 (talk) 08:00, 11 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter just to give u the heads up I won't be able to work on wikipedia for the next few days as I will be travelling back to Australia from Europe (so a lot of travelling with no internet connection). I'll make sure to work on them once ive returned home. HoHo3143 (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143, I've reworked Template:Table Age Calculator ("TAC2" for short) to handle "incumbent" as a 4th (end date) variable to allow its use for the operators table. This will auto calculate the value for the Age/Length of operations column and also has the ability of making the table sortable. I originally had just thought it would be helpful on the station history tables, but with the update for "incumbent", it's now more versatile and can be included on the operators table. I'll go back at some point and incorporate this into the already finished pages. I also included full dates on the operators table as North East railway line#Operators was a little confusing with just years. --ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:58, 16 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter thanks for doing this and apologies for the late reply. Question- what type of signalling is used on the Albury Line? Also, you'll need to start your elements of the article when you can as I'm making decent progress. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:25, 22 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter and are there any future construction projecrts for the line? I don't think so but just wanted to check. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:28, 22 July 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143, I have a few missing bit of info, I'm waiting on a copy of "Six And A Half Inches From Destiny" (I thought it would arrive by last week but it didn't, hopefully early next week), to check these. Signaling: I believe it falls under ARTC network which use "Centralised Traffic Control (CTC)" Future: None that I'm aware of. ThylacineHunter (talk) 13:21, 22 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter hopefully that book has arrived so you can finish your aspects of the Albury line. I'd like you to get this done sometime soon so once I've finished acting on GA feedback for the 4 articles that are open I can go back to working on the article. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:20, 11 August 2023 (UTC) I'm hoping to find the time over the coming week to continue with this. Unfortunately when the book arrived, I wasn't able to focus too much time on here due to one of my parents going into hospital for a mild heart issue and then further complications while in hospital (out now, but still some slight issues that I need to spend time with them). -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 03:00, 12 August 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter completely understandable. Take as much time as you see fit- what's happened is much more important. Best wishes to your mum/dad. HoHo3143 (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2023 (UTC) The majority of the 3 articles are done. North East railway line is ready for the rebuild (Albury's track). Albury V/Line rail service is just waiting on stopping patterns, service map, and journey time (all require me to sit down with the timetable). North East standard gauge railway line is waiting on the track map (just need to finish the city side of the Maribyrnong River and check distances) and a few little bit on it's infobox. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 03:26, 12 August 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter thank you for this. This page here is my list of what I want to tackle overtime. Track rebuilds will take place after everything here is complete. HoHo3143 (talk) 03:34, 12 August 2023 (UTC) If you need a working version of the NESG line map: User:ThylacineHunter/Lines/NESG railway line. Distances are the main issue as I've had to calculate new ones using distances between locations. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 08:07, 12 August 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter thanks for this! HoHo3143 (talk) 08:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143, we appear to keep running into issues regarding a WP:RS in relation to signalling in Victoria. I recommend reaching out to WP:AUTS, to see if they know of any. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 01:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter I'll have to get to that later. I have more urgent things to do right now. HoHo3143 (talk) 01:57, 18 August 2023 (UTC) Hi @ThylacineHunter. As the month of august has now finished, the number of GA reviews that I will be acting on will dry up. Currently I have one left to finish acting upon. So looking forward from here. Could you please finish all of your elements for the Albury V/Line rail service article as soon as possible. Once ive finished acting on the GA feedback, I'd like to finish working on this article and nominate it. Once this has been completed, I will be going back and fixing a few issues with a few GA nominations that have been failed and ones that I have purposefully taken down. Once I have finished fixing these articles, I will continue the project of rebuilding the V/Line service articles. If you are still unable to complete this, let me know and I'll adjust what I will do. If you can't that's ok, but I'd like to finish up the Albury line, then fix the other articles, before moving back through the other V/Line articles that need rebuilding. Let me know what you think. HoHo3143 (talk) 07:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC) Hey @HoHo3143, Unfortunately my health and then my parents health got in the way with me having the time to edit Wikipedia. Things have settled down enough that I'm hoping to be able put aside regular time for Wikipedia. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 04:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC) Hi @ThylacineHunter. I'm glad you are able to come back now. I hope that everything with both your health and your parents has been ok. Currently, I am completing Year 12 so have had very little time for anything, especially Wikipedia. I have continued to make minor edits to the LXRP page, including marking completed removals and other updates to the project. This has however been the extent of my edits. For the remainder of the year, I will only be making very small contributions to wikipedia due to time constraints, so anything that we used to work on I won't be able to be apart of. I am still available to answer messages and contribute my opinion if needed so feel free to reach out. HoHo3143 (talk) 08:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC) @HoHo3143 I'm happy to put this stuff on hold until we both have more time to focus on it. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC) Fair enough... it will be 5-6 months though before I have any time (at a minimum). Whilst you wait I look forward to seeing what you'll work on (and go ahead with this rail stuff... you don't have to wait) HoHo3143 (talk) 12:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC) Moving articles If you want to rename an article, you need to follow the moving a page process. You can’t just copy and paste text from other to the other as you did at with the Gippsland railway line. I am guessing you may have tried and moved it this way but been blocked by a system control. This may have been because the article was moved in 2019 after a reuested move discussion and may have been locked from further non-administrator moves as part of this. Should you wish to have the article renamed, you will need to gain a consensus to override the 2019 discussion via a new reuested move. Bagufleat (talk) 03:35, 11 July 2023 (UTC) @Bagufleat, I tried but there was already a Orbost railway line, I put in a deletion request for that page which was reverted. This was the only way to swap the pages over. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 03:38, 11 July 2023 (UTC) Again please read the moving a page process. You cannot just cut and paste. Bagufleat (talk) 03:44, 11 July 2023 (UTC) @ThylacineHunter: In case you're unaware of how it works, you can ask for a technical move at WP:RMT. Someone with the page mover permission will move it on your behalf if they determine that it isn't controversial. Otherwise, go through the usual page move request process, a page mover will still complete the move 7 days after the request was opened if consensus is to move. Fork99 (talk) 05:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Also, the reason why you can't just delete a page like that is because it fragments the edit history of the article. All edits/text on Wikipedia need to be copyright attributable to particular editors. Fork99 (talk) 05:42, 12 August 2023 (UTC) Tagging Honestly you are most welcome to ignore me, but the leaving transport-importance=low, as whatever it is leaving it off is something that doesnt fit, no big deal... Hey - keep up the good work anyways JarrahTree 12:56, 17 July 2023 (UTC) I don't feel qualified enough to decide on article importance, other than the retagging of the Aus Transport top-importance. I feel these are justified being top-importance: Department of Transport for each state Articles titled "[transport type] in Australia" Articles titled "Transport for [state/capital]" The overall transport company per state (Public Transport Victoria, Adelaide Metro, Transperth, Transport for NSW) The 2 biggest airports (Sydney, Melbourne) The 3 biggest stations (Central, Flinders Street, Southern Cross) due to amount of services Sydney Harbour Bridge (as a vital article and it's iconic status) - Should we include also include the other vital articles? Indian Pacific, Qantas, Sydney Metro, Trans-Australian Railway ThylacineHunter (talk) 13:36, 17 July 2023 (UTC) my apologies for my poorly expressed message and your thorough reply - I tend to do everything default to low importance - and I havent really considered the field of vital articles and their context as transport items... The way you have listed the items - it looks like a reasonable argument for the situating of the items... JarrahTree 14:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC) Naming of the ...line articles @ThylacineHunter currently 3 of my rebuilt articles (Belgrave, Lilydale, and Frankston) are being reviewed for GA status. They all go by ...railway line whereas other articles have been changed to ...line. As these should be consistent, what should we do? This would be the right time now as they are being reviewed currently so its definitely becoming urgent. HoHo3143 (talk) 04:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC) @HoHo3143 See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian Transport#Common names. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 04:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC) out of time I have seen your slaughter of loco lists - I was very disappointed to see that, but now have neither the time or capacity to have an in public discussion about it... anyway keep up the good work!! My response time now might be weeks or days - please do not ping me or whatever... JarrahTree 04:31, 14 August 2023 (UTC) I was just (as other editors in WP:AUTS have done) removed bits I personally know are not able to be backed up using WP:RS. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 04:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC) ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message Hello! Voting in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 11 December 2023. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. 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Gonnym (talk) 10:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC) Re: Serviceton Hi, thanks for your concern...the difference between renaming Serviceton -> Ararat, vs all the other non-existent lines in Victoria, is that the Ararat line is still in use, it's the same as the Port Fairy line article getting renamed to Warrnambool since that's where it now ends. Граймс (talk) 11:07, 1 July 2024 (UTC) I have sent you a note about a page you started Hi ThylacineHunter. Thank you for your work on Melbourne and Hobson's Bay United Railway Company 4-4-0WT (1871). Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment: Thank you for creating the article! I have marked the article as reviewed. Have a blessed day! To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.) ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 08:54, 2 September 2024 (UTC) Serviceton/Ararat RM Hey there, hope you're doing well! I noticed that you tend to make very long and detailed arguments at these sorts of RMs - please keep in mind that the page mover who has to read everything is likely not a rail enthusiast. I'm a rail enthusiast and I don't want to sit there and read a wall of text. Please try and keep your comments as succinct/concise as possible, it makes understanding what the consensus is easier for the mover and for everyone else involved in the RM. Cheers, Fork99 (talk) 21:34, 30 September 2024 (UTC) V/Line page moves If you don't mind, I'd like to withdraw the V/Line moves you proposed a make a single one so they can be discussed as a group. I think the targets need to be different as well; all of your proposed titles (such as Albury line) are ambiguous. Albury line (service) would be a better choice. Mackensen (talk) 11:49, 3 October 2024 (UTC) @Mackensen I'm happy for them to be combined (I wasn't sure how to do that). "Albury line" is the common name and I know that "Albury line (service)" will not be accepted as a name change. I've been informed that it doesn't matter if they end up causing confusion (as in Warrnambool railway line and Warrnambool line or with Gippsland railway line and Gippsland V/Line rail service). "xx line" is how the services are named in Victoria (state) (see Sunbury line and all the other Metro Trains Melbourne services) and WP:COMMONNAME HAS to be use no matter what. ThylacineHunter (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)