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August 2020 at Women in Red
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This week's article for improvement (week 31, 2020)
Hello, Valereee.
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Administrators' newsletter – August 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2020).
Administrator changes
Oversight changes
Guideline and policy news
- There is an open request for comment to decide whether to increase the minimum duration a sanction discussion has to remain open (currently 24 hours).
- Speedy deletion criterion T2 (template that misrepresents established policy) has been repealed following a request for comment.
- Speedy deletion criterion X2 (pages created by the content translation tool) has been repealed following a discussion.
- There is a proposal to restrict proposed deletion to confirmed users.
ITN recognition for Rene Carpenter
On 25 July 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Rene Carpenter, which you created. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. El_C 08:08, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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... with thanks for what you do on ITN, DYK, and at all! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt, thanks, Gerda! You're always so kind. :) —valereee (talk) 18:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- The repeated acts of kindness by both of you across the project makes me smile.
El_C 20:34, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- We've just got a mutual admiration society going here. :D —valereee (talk) 16:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ahem.
Atsme Talk 📧 17:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- You're welcome to join too :D —valereee (talk) 17:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Val - do you have GAN plans for that article? Atsme Talk 📧 22:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, for Rene Carpenter? I didn't, but I'd totally work with anyone who wanted to make it happen! —valereee (talk) 00:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well, by golly - go to WP:GAN and get 'er done! If you want me to review it, just ping me from this discussion when it's ready. Atsme Talk 📧 18:09, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Atsme, for Rene Carpenter? I didn't, but I'd totally work with anyone who wanted to make it happen! —valereee (talk) 00:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Val - do you have GAN plans for that article? Atsme Talk 📧 22:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- You're welcome to join too :D —valereee (talk) 17:04, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ahem.
- We've just got a mutual admiration society going here. :D —valereee (talk) 16:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- The repeated acts of kindness by both of you across the project makes me smile.
Thoughts from your newest member
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the day was August 1st; for admiration, there was plenty that was yet to be dispersed. There were thoughtful acts of kindness, shown by Gerda and Valereee, some of which were noticed by the administrator named El C; A (talk page watcher), uninvited was inspired to write some prose so here it is spotlighted, for what reason, no one knows. |
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 The potato (Solanum tuberosum) is an example of a New World crop, a crop native to the New World (mostly the Americas) before 1492 CE and not found anywhere else at that time.
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Hi, I'm being accused of being a sockpuppet
Hello, Valeree, I am being accused of being a sockpuppet of the blocked and bad user Xayahrainie43. This is the URL for the sockpuppet investigation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Xayahrainie43
I am not a sockpuppet, and I have never operated sockpuppets. I should not be accused of sockpuppetry. Please help me. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 19:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, yes, I saw this. I don't have an opinion until the checkuser comes back. If you are socking, I would very strongly suggest you admit it and promise not to do it again. —valereee (talk) 20:57, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for replying. I never do sockpuppetry. If I did, I would admit it and promise not to do it again, since I am an honest person. Admitting things earlier is always better than later, but I have not been socking. Friend505 (talk) 21:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, you must understand that there's no way for us to know whether you would or wouldn't do something wrong. None of us know you personally. There are a number of editors with checkuser permission. You can find more information at WP:CHECKUSER.
- Thanks for the information, Valereee, but I've already checked that page before you posted it. I would like to know why the checkuser isn't back yet. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, oh, sorry, I'd already answered your question before you deleted. Re: why hasn't a checkuser responded: it can take a while. We are all volunteers here. —valereee (talk) 21:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well, thanks again, Valereee. You're the only one who's being sympathetic to me, since everyone else is reverting my posts to them. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Finally, another question. Sorry for bothering you. User:1997KB reviewed me today, according to notifications for me. What does a user reviewing another user mean? Thanks! Friend505 (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Friend505, I'm not sure what you mean. I do see one action by user:1997KB that involved you; it was when they moved your user talk page here from your previous user name. [1] But I don't see anything on August 1, or anything about "reviewing" you. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Finally, another question. Sorry for bothering you. User:1997KB reviewed me today, according to notifications for me. What does a user reviewing another user mean? Thanks! Friend505 (talk) 21:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Well, thanks again, Valereee. You're the only one who's being sympathetic to me, since everyone else is reverting my posts to them. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 21:47, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, oh, sorry, I'd already answered your question before you deleted. Re: why hasn't a checkuser responded: it can take a while. We are all volunteers here. —valereee (talk) 21:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the information, Valereee, but I've already checked that page before you posted it. I would like to know why the checkuser isn't back yet. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, you must understand that there's no way for us to know whether you would or wouldn't do something wrong. None of us know you personally. There are a number of editors with checkuser permission. You can find more information at WP:CHECKUSER.
- Thanks for replying. I never do sockpuppetry. If I did, I would admit it and promise not to do it again, since I am an honest person. Admitting things earlier is always better than later, but I have not been socking. Friend505 (talk) 21:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Same here, F505, no idea. —valereee (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Friend505: It just meant that as a new page, it needed reviewing to ensure it complied with policy (no copyright violations, spam, etc). And since 1997kB did mark it as reviewed, there wasn't anything wrong with it. See the image just here for the detail. ——Serial 16:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- lol thank you! —valereee (talk) 16:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks also, SN. I had checked the page history and logs, and 1997kb's contributions and logs; I didn't realize that a review notice went somewhere else! Always learning at this place. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Actually, SN, that's not what I see when I look at "page information" for F505's page. Or my own, or anybody's. When I click on "page information" for a user page, I get something very different; I get this: [2] Is it because we use different versions of WP, or different skins, or what? -- MelanieN (talk) 16:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Valereee, MelanieN, and Serial. Friend505 (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- See if the following helps: Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help#What is Mark as Reviewed and how does it work? Atsme Talk 📧 19:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I see now; it's something that works if you have enabled the curation toolbar. Thanks, Atsme, that clears up the mystery. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- You can see even if you don't have page curation enabled, here is the entry in patrol log. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 00:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Interesting. Thanks, 1997kB. So I guess the reason I didn't find it was it was listed as patrolled under the prior user name. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Probably.. More interestingly when I marked that page patrolled, I was their userpage with new name, but log fetched old and I also received pop-up mentioning old username. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 02:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Interesting. Thanks, 1997kB. So I guess the reason I didn't find it was it was listed as patrolled under the prior user name. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- You can see even if you don't have page curation enabled, here is the entry in patrol log. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 00:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I see now; it's something that works if you have enabled the curation toolbar. Thanks, Atsme, that clears up the mystery. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- See if the following helps: Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Help#What is Mark as Reviewed and how does it work? Atsme Talk 📧 19:49, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Valereee, MelanieN, and Serial. Friend505 (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Fixed it
Hi, I fixed it about ten minutes after Dumelow made the comment! Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 09:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- lol —valereee (talk) 10:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, Dumelow is correct with their comment about the 1993 Football League First Division play-off Final, it should say "that the 1993 Football League First Division play-off Final was estimated to be worth £20 million to the winners Swindon Town?", sorry I should be more careful. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Admin action needs to be performed
Hi, Valereee,
I found out that a user called Justright89199 had been blocked. This user promised not to repeat his/her mistakes after he/she was blocked. The blocker admin notified me (I was involved in a discussion between Justright89199, MelanieN, and Glen) to consult with a non-involved admin to unblock the user. Since you're an admin who did not participate in the discussion, could you please unblock Justright89199? Thank you. P.S. Please take a look at Justright89199's talk page. Friend505 (talk) 22:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- I think that the user is a good-faith Wikipedian. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, I strongly suggest you butt out of such discussions. You have nowhere near enough experience to even begin to understand any of this. Seriously, go edit something noncontentious that you're interested in. Seriously. —valereee (talk) 22:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry for bothering you. Good idea. But I've got another question; who's KoH. You mentioned the following: "Parental racial socialization works for me, but I get KoH's objection." Who is KoH? I cannot find any username called "KoH". Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 23:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would just like to second what Valereee said. There is no way you can know enough about blocking and unblocking to know what is appropriate. I have advised you, and I advise you again, to spend less time on people's talk pages and do some content work instead; that's what valereee suggests too. By the way, KOH was valereee's way of mentioning the user King of Hearts. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, thanks, MelanieN, but Valereee also answered me on Talk:The talk (racism in the United States). Sorry; I seem to be a bit more annoying these days than right after the time when I changed my username from "Beckyaloot", which was the username I had registered as on 24 July 2020, to "Friend505", my current username. If you see an edit made by "Beckyaloot", that's just me. Thanks, MelanieN. Friend505 (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- I would just like to second what Valereee said. There is no way you can know enough about blocking and unblocking to know what is appropriate. I have advised you, and I advise you again, to spend less time on people's talk pages and do some content work instead; that's what valereee suggests too. By the way, KOH was valereee's way of mentioning the user King of Hearts. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry for bothering you. Good idea. But I've got another question; who's KoH. You mentioned the following: "Parental racial socialization works for me, but I get KoH's objection." Who is KoH? I cannot find any username called "KoH". Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 23:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Friend505, I strongly suggest you butt out of such discussions. You have nowhere near enough experience to even begin to understand any of this. Seriously, go edit something noncontentious that you're interested in. Seriously. —valereee (talk) 22:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Floyd thing
Cheers lass (lad? Name gives a different impression heh.)
I noticed you left a message on my talk page regarding the Floyd edit I made, and while I understand now the whole major/minor edit, I do not understand why it was reverted, and on top of that, sanctioned. I understand it's a political topic but I don't believe the edit I made falls under such a category. I also mentioned in my comment edit that it reflects current developments - those being the release of the full body-cam video.
In any case do let me know, I would appreciate it and all. Have a good day mate, cheers. 180app (talk) 01:12, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, 180app, yes, you changed killing to died with an edit summary referring to 'current developments'. I didn't understand what current developments you were talking about, and you didn't provide sources, so I changed it back. Open to reasonable arguments, cheers. —valereee (talk) 02:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Aye, no biggie. I just wanted to clear things up in any case since I got a strike and that did not seem appropriate to me. In any case, it's there to be un-un-done if you wish to lol (I would assume there's a lot of coverage and reliable sources at least since it's a huge development in this whole ordeal). I don't want for another user to place a strike or something of the sort so I'll leave it be, even though I would still naturally recommend changing it. When it comes to the actual event's article, I have noticed there is discussion of moving the page and changing things, but I haven't the time nor patience at the moment, so it's up to other users to determine that at least.
- Thanks for responding, and have a good one. Cheers. 180app (talk) 02:33, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- 180app, the discretionary sanctions notice isn't a sanction of you. It's just a notice that there are sanctions on the article -- that is, that there are policies in place that mean problematic editing at that article can be dealt with quickly by administrators. It doesn't mean you've necessarily done anything wrong. We post the notice to an editor's talk page because they've shown an interest in editing such an article and we want to make sure they have been notified of the discretionary sanctions in place for it. —valereee (talk) 18:24, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for responding, and have a good one. Cheers. 180app (talk) 02:33, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Alright mate, I see. Thanks for clearing it up. Cheers. 180app (talk) 18:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
ITN recognition for Brent Scowcroft
On 9 August 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Brent Scowcroft, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 01:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK for 2002 Football League First Division play-off Final
 | On 9 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2002 Football League First Division play-off Final, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the 2002 Football League First Division play-off Final was played under a closed roof at the Millennium Stadium because it was too sunny? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2002 Football League First Division play-off Final. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
This week's article for improvement (week 33, 2020)
 Abraham Ortelius's world map, from the Typus Orbis Terrarum ("Theatre of the Orb of the World") atlas, first published in 1564
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DYK for 1993 Football League First Division play-off Final
| | On 13 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1993 Football League First Division play-off Final, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the 1993 Football League First Division play-off Final was estimated to be worth £20 million to the winners Swindon Town? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1993 Football League First Division play-off Final. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
DYK for 2020 EFL League One play-off Final
| | On 14 August 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2020 EFL League One play-off Final, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the 2020 EFL League One play-off Final was played at Wembley Stadium in front of zero paying spectators? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2020 EFL League One play-off Final. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
Karen
So someone, some person here on Wikipedia, called me a Karen today, and I think that's the second time in as many days. I've also been told I'm clutching my pearls, and I shouldn't get my panties in a twist. I guess it's better to be a Karen than a Kyle, though, because Kyles are particularly dumb--or so my kids tell me. Liam: "they are stereotypical Whites who are racist and sexist. That's a Kyle for you". I asked him; he's sitting next to me playing Splatoon--I don't think you can cite him, though. Also, he's seven. Drmies (talk) 01:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Interestingly, Kyle (slang) doesn't mention racism. —valereee (talk) 12:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
KH
I don't know if you've been following my edits but the tone of the article is seriously off in many places. I'll be surprised if there's not some pushback over this so please keep an eye out to prevent bloodshed. EEng 01:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've seen you making tons of edits and figured as much. :D —valereee (talk) 15:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
New message from Friend505
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This week's article for improvement (week 34, 2020)
 An act is a division or unit of a theatre work, including a play, film, opera, and musical theatre. Pictured is a visual representation of the three-act structure.
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still online
Hi. You still around? —usernamekiran (talk) 19:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Usernamekiran, I am! What's up? —valereee (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Could you please take a look at User talk:Diannaa#page protection? I apologise for the impatience. But I thought I should get it done while I am on a roll. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Usernamekiran, lol you're asking me to learn something new. :) And it doesn't look like Twinkle will give me an assist...lemme go just manually remove the template. —valereee (talk) 19:48, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Usernamekiran, okay, I've removed it. Ping again when I can put it back. Didn't look like the Help page needed it? —valereee (talk) 19:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- erm... I think you merely removed the template/notice, but not the actual move protection
—usernamekiran (talk) 19:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Usernamekiran, dammit. See, that's the trouble here...I have no idea how to un move-protect a page. Let me see if I can figure out where to figure that out lol... —valereee (talk) 19:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, maybe I did it right that time? Go check. —valereee (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Usernamekiran ping —valereee (talk) 19:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- hehe. You got it right this time :D —usernamekiran (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Always something new to learn lol —valereee (talk) 20:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- hehe. You got it right this time :D —usernamekiran (talk) 20:01, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- erm... I think you merely removed the template/notice, but not the actual move protection
- Could you please take a look at User talk:Diannaa#page protection? I apologise for the impatience. But I thought I should get it done while I am on a roll. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:44, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) If you want to use Twinkle to (un)protect pages you have to use the "pp" thingy next to "delete", "history", etc. Best. Salvio 20:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. I did all the edits. It may be protected again. When you responded at 19:59 UTC, I was also editing your talkpage; and got edit conflict. I was going to give you a link to Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Protecting#Unprotecting a page. So today we learned how to un-protect a page roughly around the same time, more like, together lol. Courtesy (no) ping to tps Salvio giuliano. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! I think I'm starting to figure it out...maybe... :D —valereee (talk) 20:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- And it only took me like five edits to correctly restore previous protections —valereee (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- I hear you. I'd be lost without the various scripts that do the things for me... And tomorrow, if you want, we can explore the wondrous world of speedy deletion. Salvio 20:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- Be still my heart —valereee (talk) 20:50, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
- I hear you. I'd be lost without the various scripts that do the things for me... And tomorrow, if you want, we can explore the wondrous world of speedy deletion.
- And it only took me like five edits to correctly restore previous protections —valereee (talk) 20:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Removing cow-dog picture (discussion in Speciesism article)
Your opinion is sought here: Talk:Speciesism § Removing cow-dog picture. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Ridiculous. There's no such thing as a cow-dog. EEng 01:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Then explain cowboy. —valereee (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- That's hysterical. EEng 01:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Then explain cowboy. —valereee (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
Miles Taylor (Homeland Security official)
Hello, and thanks for the splendid job you're doing on expansion and referencing. If I get in your way with edit conflicts, please just tell me to clear off and I will. Captain Calm (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Captain Calm, no worries at all! I enjoy working collaboratively, and a few edit conflicts are no biggie! —valereee (talk) 15:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
ANI
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Personal attacks by User:EEng at Talk:Kamala Harris. Thank you. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 23:39, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
DYK help if you have time
Valereee, please look at Template:Did you know nominations/History of Islam in the Arctic and Subarctic regions if you have time. I feel the nomination has great potential to use the photos in the article for a hook, but nobody has suggested anything. Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 17:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
PDC
Hey, Usedtobecool, I really do want to stay out of it except when I get dragged in by being mentioned or referred to, but honestly if PDC calls the edits by Caradhras 'bad faith reverts' one more time, like they did this morning AGAIN after being told multiple times by multiple editors over the past however many days this has been going on that the edits weren't bad faith, I'm leaving a warning on their talk and pinging some active uninvolved admin. I think a major part of it is the mobile device, which I can't even imagine learning to edit on, but it's also complete refusal to listen and apparent unwillingnes to learn. Thank you for trying to help them. I'm still trying to assume good faith, but honestly if they won't accept the advice of probably a dozen editors to stop editing in contentious areas, it's hard to conclude that they are in fact well-intentioned. Sorry to ping you here, I didn't think it was a good idea to post to your talk. —valereee (talk) 14:30, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, thank you for your considered approach. I have tried to make it absolutely clear to them that it's unacceptable and am waiting for a reply. I would like to hear from them, and if they agree, would recommend letting go past instances of aspersions and PAs from them. Of course, neither Caradhras nor you or anyone else should have to continue to be a victim of someone else's learning curve, so it's only a gentle suggestion on my part. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:04, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Usedtobecool, I've been ignoring the ones directed at me as much as I can (except as I say when I'm basically forced to respond) and will continue to as much as possible, but I can't ignore the ones that are directed at others if they continue. If they stop, I'm happy to let the past be the past, and honestly mostly I'm finding the digs at me pretty funny. I can't speak for Caradhras who I think is justifiably pissed off. :) I'm going to archive this now so this doesn't end badly <g>. —valereee (talk) 13:14, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement (week 35, 2020)
.jpg) Delivery is the process of transporting goods from a source location to a predefined destination. Pictured is a man delivering charcoal by bicycle in Uganda.
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Trigonometry remnants
Apparently 8'46"[3] refers to angles, if the MOS is to be trusted ;-) —Bagumba (talk) 10:35, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Bagumba, well that explains it. I wasn't listening in trig. Made calc a real challenge. —valereee (talk) 12:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
- Apparently you listended enough.—Bagumba (talk) 12:17, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Friend505
I have to admit I'm a little baffled. Between you, MelanieN, Salvio giuliano and myself we've done nothing but offer support and advise all of which just seemingly goes ignored. I'm trying to AGF but what are your thoughts? Youth or a case of CIR? Glen (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, sigh. I don't know. I have to say that nothing we've done so far seems to have actually gotten appropriate attention. At some point it's hard to continue AGF. It's definitely starting to feel like a waste of time and patience on the part of too many editors. —valereee (talk) 19:07, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. He gives me the impression of being young and well-intentioned, but, in the end, disruption is disruption. I fear that if he doesn't start listening to what people are telling him, a block will be inevitable and, for my money, we are fast approaching that point. Salvio 19:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, the "I'm not trying to game the system" for extended confirmed permissions just struck me as odd for a new user and the constant posts to User talk:Justright89199 after the block were bizarre but maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age... *shrug* Glen (talk) 19:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Glen: I too found it odd, but I chalked it up to immaturity rather than fishiness. Then again, someone else found him suspicious, as he was reported to SPI, although the CU who ran a check on him found nothing. Salvio 19:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, I did see that. Guess we can only hope he takes the advice on board. Valereee your last post was quite direct so if that doesn't land nothing will. Thanks both. Glen (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Glen: I too found it odd, but I chalked it up to immaturity rather than fishiness. Then again, someone else found him suspicious, as he was reported to SPI, although the CU who ran a check on him found nothing. Salvio 19:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, the "I'm not trying to game the system" for extended confirmed permissions just struck me as odd for a new user and the constant posts to User talk:Justright89199 after the block were bizarre but maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age... *shrug* Glen (talk) 19:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, agree. See how it plays out I guess. No one can say we didn't try... Cheers.Glen (talk) 19:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- I agree. He gives me the impression of being young and well-intentioned, but, in the end, disruption is disruption. I fear that if he doesn't start listening to what people are telling him, a block will be inevitable and, for my money, we are fast approaching that point. Salvio 19:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
OMFG. —valereee (talk) 18:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, yikes... Glen (talk) 18:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'd say it's time for a block. Of his 669 edits, only 62 are to mainspace (and they're not even all constructive), 106 to his user page, another 20 to the subpage devoted to his signature and 190 to other people's talk pages per [4]. It's a bit of NOTHERE and a bit of CIR, in my opinion... What do you all think? Salvio 19:08, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- Given this edit summary, yeah. I've become the bad cop, so probably more productive if someone else does the block. —valereee (talk) 19:25, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'd say it's time for a block. Of his 669 edits, only 62 are to mainspace (and they're not even all constructive), 106 to his user page, another 20 to the subpage devoted to his signature and 190 to other people's talk pages per [4]. It's a bit of NOTHERE and a bit of CIR, in my opinion... What do you all think? Salvio 19:08, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Okay, no longer worried about not AGFing enough. I've looked back over my interactions, and I am not comfortable with calling myself uninvolved. —valereee (talk) 22:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
- FWIW, I don't think you're involved, but, anyway, I certainly am not. That said, I'd like to hear from @Glen: and MelanieN, if they want to put in their tuppence worth, before doing anything. Salvio 06:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, well there's a reason I actually started this thread, and I have to admit I'm none the wiser now than I was when I said I was baffled a few days ago. I think we're all in agreement that this is disruptive, the issue for me is that it's not what we'd typically see as "bad faith" disruption - but it's disruption all the same. I would support a CIR/NOTHERE block, Friend can always request an unblock and convince the reviewing administrator that they have competence. Perhaps this is the only way to hammer the message home (assuming that is possible which I'm not entirely convinced is the case). Glen (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- I have reviewed his edits and decided to block him. I'd say he's been enough of a time sink already. Salvio 09:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, support for sure. When reading your block explanation the rationale is 100% clear. Thanks Salvio. Glen (talk) 09:03, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- I have reviewed his edits and decided to block him. I'd say he's been enough of a time sink already. Salvio 09:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, well there's a reason I actually started this thread, and I have to admit I'm none the wiser now than I was when I said I was baffled a few days ago. I think we're all in agreement that this is disruptive, the issue for me is that it's not what we'd typically see as "bad faith" disruption - but it's disruption all the same. I would support a CIR/NOTHERE block, Friend can always request an unblock and convince the reviewing administrator that they have competence. Perhaps this is the only way to hammer the message home (assuming that is possible which I'm not entirely convinced is the case). Glen (talk) 07:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, I have to say your patience, effort and support with this editor has been truly remarkable. I'm not a barnstar giving kinda guy but if there is an angelic barnstar I'd be giving it to you right now. Patience of a Saint. Bless you (and I'm an atheist haha). Well done. Glen (talk) 15:15, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, thanks for the kind words! We'll see if it turns out to be worth the time. :) —valereee (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, I stand by my sainthood! You're a far more patient person than I. :) Glen (talk) 12:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, the need to conduct test messages is killing me. :D —valereee (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, haha you and me both! Mind boggles... Glen (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, patience of a Saint! *facepalm* Glen (talk) 14:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, and look what it got me. I suspect this will end badly. I think it's possible this is a kid who just needs to grow up a bit. —valereee (talk) 15:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- And there we go. See, I'm not TECHnically violating the rules... —valereee (talk) 18:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, think this move was the right one. I respect all the effort you've put in. I'd have NOTHERE indeffed by now. I'm sure UTRS are about to bear the next wave. Your support in developing him has been somewhat inspiring even if it ultimately ends in vain. Glen (talk) 18:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Somewhat inspiring of an increased level of cynicism lol —valereee (talk) 18:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, and look what it got me. I suspect this will end badly. I think it's possible this is a kid who just needs to grow up a bit. —valereee (talk) 15:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, the need to conduct test messages is killing me. :D —valereee (talk) 12:56, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Valereee, I stand by my sainthood! You're a far more patient person than I. :) Glen (talk) 12:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, thanks for the kind words! We'll see if it turns out to be worth the time. :) —valereee (talk) 15:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
I've been having an eye on this since I got mentioned during a weird discussion about user impersonation on my talk. Considering recent developments, I was wondering if SPI/CU action might be appropriate? I have a feeling that this isn't their first Rodeo. Best, — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 11:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)- Nevermind, I just realised there has already been an SPI. Sorry! — Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 12:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
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 Skurfing as a sport has two common forms: "water skurfing" and "street skurfing". Pictured is an example of water skurfing, water skiing on a surfboard.
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Is a self-published source not considered reliable? I've seen personal/biographical facts about other living persons cited through twitter and other self-published sources elsewhere on the wiki. This is in reference to the Camilla Marcus article. --68.33.94.15 (talk) 06:26, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, we can use self-source for noncontroversial facts about a person, like who their parents are, place of birth, where they went to school, etc. I don't think that piece is calling him a "real estate tycoon"? Wikipedia would not use such WP:PEACOCK words except in a direct quote with attribution from an extremely reliable source. We can call him her father from twitter. We can call him Alexandria's CEO from the linked piece, but we'd add it as an additional source as Marcus' tweet doesn't say that. —valereee (talk) 10:35, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, Valereee.
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