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Unsigned abuse, volume 47238

So ban me you boring fucker. Can i help it if i'm bored?

Get a grip. WATP, ffs! Says a lot about you you sad cunt

Besides which, you say vandalize. I say speaking the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.241.180 (talk • contribs)

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Rangers.png

Hello, you had asked me why the image removed was deleted when a fair use rationale was provided. The fair use rationale has to be not only provided, but also valid. Here are the factors that determine fair use (from the relevant wiki page:)

1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2. the nature of the copyrighted work; 3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Use of the entire logo definitely fails the third prong of the test. Fair use is usually reserved for use of a small portion of a copyrighted work. It evolved in order to allow book reviewers to quote small passages of books. It would almost never be fair use to reproduce, without the copyright holder's consent, the entire copyrighted work. Thanks. Larry Dunn 20:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

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Bizarre

You've just been party to the strangest occurrence I've had on Wikipedia. I was doing exactly the same edit to the Rangers F.C. internationalists page (converting the nations into sections).

That aside, I think we should introduce one of these in place of the current table of contents. - Dudesleeper · Talk 18:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Great minds and that. Which one would be most suitable for the article do you think? WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 18:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite partial to the US states one, obviously changing to nations instead. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, looks good. At risk of making a mess of it, I'll leave you to do the honours of inserting it. ;) WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 19:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Touché. I'm actually off out, but if you haven't built up the courage upon my return, I'll gladly balls it up instead. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:31, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, not going yet, but I can't be arsed doing that yet. A couple of other things on my to-do list need attention first. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Made a start on my sandbox, still needing refined though. WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 19:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Done, and added. I have no idea if it should be made into a template or anything, but it's there and it works/seems to work. WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 19:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

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Why did you RMV the protection template

Hi, i would like to know why did you removed the Template in the Dominican Republic of Demi-protection....Please add it again to avoid consistent IP editing!69.120.72.147 17:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

User:AlexNewArtBot/ScotlandSearchResult

Thanks for all the updates to the New Articles page you've been doing. I was mid-update myself to the last set of results, when you beat me to updating the page. It was good to see that your prunings matched mine. It's often difficult to prune out the "was born or made in Scotland, or had a dog who lived there" entries from the real ones :-) Anyway, keep up the good work. Cheers. --Cactus.man ✍ 18:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it's a problem with the regexp parameters. I'm no expert myself which is why I asked for some regexp gurus in my original postings. There's also

/\[\[\s*Category:[^\]\|]*Scot/ , /Nova\sScotia/
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-3 /\WUSA\W/
-3 /America/
-3 /Australia/

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The Bhoys from Seville - Lisbons Lions

Stop being such a bitter bluenose - there are suchs for it at the end of paragraph.--Vintagekits 16:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/3RR#User:SqueakBox_reported_by_User:Vintagekits_.28Result:Warned_both.29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vintagekits#Wikipedia:Administrators.27_noticeboard.2F3RR

Gentlemen, you are both above this sort of pettiness. WATP, if you are seriously suggesting Vintagekits is engaging in meatpuppetry or sockpuppetry, you should just say so and/or request a checkuser. Vintagekits, calling someone a "bitter bluenose" isn't really constructive. Everyone has had their say on the AfD, let just wait and see what the closing admin thinks, eh? Rockpocket 17:49, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool - I am not just going to sit back and let this - slag me off.--Vintagekits 17:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll be doing just as you suggested Rockpocket. Thanks. WATP  ^(talk) • _(contribs) 17:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Look forward to rubbin it yer face.--Vintagekits 18:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

That'll be after yer block, I take it. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bhoys from Seville

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Major Rivalries

Why you dont let me change the information about the biggest rivalry in Portugal? FC Porto x Benfica ISN'T the biggest match, Porto dont have fans to compete with Benfica and Sporting!!!

I am a benfica fan and the biggeste match in Portugal is sure between Benfica and Sporting, the two major clubes in Portugal and ex-colonies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.138.110.156 (talk • contribs)

The Bhoys from Seville

FYI: Several suspected meatpuppets of one editor are involved in the deletion debate.216.194.0.36 19:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Hearts

Revert in Hearts? [1] ? What's? It's Vladimir (in Poland and Russia Władimir), not Roman Romanov. 83.242.76.83 10:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for your contribution on the above AfD. Your time and effort is much appriciated. regards--Vintagekits 01:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Bobby Finan

I just created the above article and was wondering if Scotland recognise caps received during wartime periods. - Dudesleeper · Talk 16:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Thierry Henry

Sorry, I thought it was all final. Given you're supposed to Assume good faith, and all that, seems a bit harsh to give a second-level warning, if any warning at all. LiamUK 11:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

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Glasgow attack

I can take a picture of the cover, with my camera, if it helps? Cs-wolves 20:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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Cheers man, I'll do it after the football :) Mon the Scotland! Cs-wolves 21:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Rangers Internationalists

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George Anderson

When you get a chance, would you mind checking the above's article against this profile at the Scottish FA? My Blackpool book doesn't mention his being a Scot, but the Spartacus Educational link in his article does (and that he was an international). Thing is, I can't seem to get his Kilmarnock career (of multiple seasons, mentioned in the Scottish FA profile) to jog with his career at other clubs. I shortened his career at New Brighton Tower in order to get at least one season with Kilmarnock in, but now I'm not even sure it's the same player. Happen to have any more material or guidance? - Dudesleeper · Talk 11:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the input. I made two (1, 2) separate articles. Since there's no mention of either Blackpool or Blackburn in the former's SFA profile, we must assume they are different players, both of Scottish birth. My next job is to find out who else George Anderson played for. - Dudesleeper · Talk 14:43, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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Not sure if you've seen it before, but the following is on one of my Scottish-phrase coasters. Feel free to add it to your user page or whatever.

fitba' (fit-baw) Dialect, chiefly Scot. -n. (m) the beautiful game. 2. (f) stupid game involving twenty-two grown men (and three officials of dubious parentage and eyesight) kicking a lump of leather around a field, often sparking irrational behaviour, bad language, and blind devotion to a team or player, to the detriment of normal marital relations. (see fitba' widow).

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Nice, I'll find a use for it somewhere. Cheers. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 15:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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Why thankyou. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 00:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

How strange. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 02:41, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Your revert of an edit to Paul Gascoigne

As one experienced Wikipedian to another, I was disappointed to note your use of the pop-ups facility to revert this edit. The pop-up facility is for vandalism. The editor concerned is not a vandal, but a new editor who evidently does not know the rules. Per WP:BITE I suggest a friendly user warning should have been given. Viewfinder 19:31, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I don't see the problem with my edit. I don't see anything here saying it is only for vandalism, and neither does the automatic edit summary provided by popups mention vandalism (which it would be fair to argue the original edit - "...Gazza is a bastard..." - was). I was using simply as a speedy method of reverting an edit which clearly did not belong on Wikipedia. With regards to the editor not being a vandal - I'd say his edits up to the point of my revert meet my definition of vandalism. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 19:41, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed that the comment did not belong on Wikipedia. But note carefully the context of "bastard"; it was the editor's summary of how he sees the public's attitude. He was trying to defend Gazza, and if he has posted to a blog I would have found his contribution commendable. I studied that user's edits too and while they are clearly POV pushing, I think this is still a case of WP:AGF. Viewfinder 20:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't particularly think that any part of that edit was encyclopedic to an extent that it should have been included. If you disagree, feel free to revert me. WATP ^(talk) • _(contribs) 20:20, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Viewfinder 23:43, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

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Hello WATP,

Sorry for the intrusion, I just wondered if you regularly contribute to articles beyond Scottish football? You're obviously an advanced editor, but what caught my eye was your cultural stance on Scotland and its relationship within the United Kingdom. No problem if its not your thing, but there is alot of activity and debate at the moment regarding the best approach to a whole multitude of issues surrounding this topic. Let me know how you feel either way when convenient, Jza84 23:40, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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STALKER WARNING

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to my talk page , you will be blocked from editing.

You really should get out more and continuing to fill up my talk page with stuff from months ago will be seen as harrasment.

Believe it or not, the user really does have the right to remove warnings from their talk page. I can't find exactly where it says it, but trust me, it does. They should probably archive it, but what they're doing is perfectly fine, so please stop reverting. Ok? Gscshoyru 19:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Gscshoyru . Unfortunately, i believe this stalker has added me to a watch list of his so i'll need to abandon my identity to create another. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longkeys (talk • contribs) 19:22, August 28, 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music August 2007 Newsletter

The Alternative music WikiProject Newsletter Issue 5 - August 2007

"The amount of time it took to get Morrissey onstage was getting longer and longer. There was this great game he'd play of wanting to be asked 15 times if it had been 14 the night before. Johnny was like, 'Let's rock!' and Mozzer would be 'Well, somebody's gotta ask me another seven times.'" - Andy Rourke Project news Blood Sugar Sex Magik and Sky Blue Sky reached featured article status in the past month! Well done to the various WP:RHCP editors and Teemu08. We collaborated on Let It Be (Replacements album), Queens of the Stone Age, Dinosaur Jr, and Loveless (album) during the past month. During the month of August, Summerteeth, Anodyne (album), and The Make-Up were promoted to good article status.

New members Freaky4jesus32, Razorblade666, and Grim-Gym joined the alternative music fold during August. Editors User:WesleyDodds

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Mc/Mac

It was established that for auditing/counting articles purposes names starting with "Mc" must be "Mac" on defaultsort/categories; also "O'H" (for example) should be "Oh". See Martin McGuinness article for note to this effect. I though it had already been established as protocol. Please do not rv anymore as I know I am right. Ontheveldt 19:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding. How can we get the word out to the wider Wikipedia community re the above?

Ontheveldt 01:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

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