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DYK for William Richards (Hawaii)

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Timothy Haalilio

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Richard Charlton (Hawaii)

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Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Little Lee

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Maui photos

I'll be in Maui on this Sun, Mon, Tue (21-23 March), staying at the Frank & Theresa Gomes House (NRHP) in Makawao (now a B&B). I've got your earlier requests of Baldwin-related photos, and plan to cover the sites in Lahaina Hist Dist, Makawao, Wailuku, and other West & Central Maui sites, but not go as far as Hana or Kaupo. Any new requests? Joel (talk) 23:34, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ladd & Co.

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Yazan (talk) 18:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Ricord

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Crichton Wyllie

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Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Mauna Kea Beach Hotel

I have reverted your move of this article. The hotel is a business and structure that is notable unto itself and distinct from the geographical feature of the bay its located on. Feel free to create a new article about that geographical feature.--Oakshade (talk) 21:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Well I guess it is the most historic hotel within a ten mile radius, but it is mostly notable in its own advertising. Certainly I thought a combined article on the bay mentioning the hotel made more sense than two stubs (as a reader I get frustrated by zilions of stubs that will never be exanded because there will never be more notable things to say). But stand over-ruled. Sigh. More work for me. W Nowicki (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

RE: Family trees etc.

No I stole your's. Sorry. You won't mind that I took the liberty to do that, right? I thought it would be a good navigation tool between the different members of the Parker family. I'm starting one John Young's family. I'm not retired fully. I'll come back every now and then to check on my watchlist and my talk page. You can still talk to me about anything you like. I just retired from major editing. PS. Did you check out the new article Keliimaikai?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Conflict of interest personal attack

As far as your claim that I have a conflict of interest with the Mauna Kea Beach Hotel, that is an absolutely baseless charge. If you truly feel that I or any editor has a conflict of interest with the articles they are editing, then immediately contact the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard and provide your supporting evidence. Otherwise, this is a personal attack. Please stop this attack immediately.--Oakshade (talk) 21:48, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Chiefess Kapiolani's burial plot

In your article you wrote that she was buried in a "burial plot", what did you mean by that? I think I found where she was buried. According to this youtube video she is buried in the buried ground where Pohukaina once stood, at Iolani Palace. I could only recognize three other names: Timothy Haalilio, Keaweikekahialiʻiokamoku, and Lydia Namahana Piia.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

I was just paraphrasing the source, which is not specific. I think that is what Pohukaina was, right? It was the original burial vault at the original ʻIolani palace, as I understand. When the Royal Mausoleum of Hawaii was built the bodies were moved there. Perhaps what we need is to add that history to the Royal Mausoleum article, since that is what it was called at the time. Perhaps for now have a redirect from Pohukaina to that section. Not clear it needs its own article for now. W Nowicki (talk) 04:58, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes that's it. It was a coral mausoleum build for the bodies of Kamehameha II and Queen Kamamalu and influenced by the British mausoleums that the Hawaiians saw in London. I don't think it needs an article either unless the burial mound, itself, is a seperate historic site that should be seperated from Iolani Palace.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Fantastic job on Pohukaina! I always thought it weird that Kekauonohi died at Pohukaina. Now I know it's the name of the land also. I was also wondering if you know anything about the actual date of final unification of Hawaii in 1810. It's nearing the hundred year aniversary of the Kingdom of Hawaii. I knew King Kamehameha conquered his last island, Oahu, by Spring (some say May) of 1795.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 13:09, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Tepmplate: Colored Text

I changed the template because it was a blank page, making it take more steps to get to the code. It was my first major improvement to a template so I wasn't entirely sure how to do a template. I wasn't sure how to describe my edit other than "update page" or "fixed template" Sign My Guestbook! User:Sumsum2010 22:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Now I understand more. When I first saw the template I thought it was strange the way it was, so I tried to fix it, but I guess it wasn't broken. Sign My Guestbook! User:Sumsum2010 23:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Don Francisco de Paula Marín

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Materialscientist (talk) 08:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Smart (actor)

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Materialscientist (talk) 03:03, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Kauikeaouli

Aloha W Nowicki. You created Keauhou Bay, right? I was just wondering if you know if this picture here is actually the stone that Kamehameha III was born on or is this a picture of the plaque only.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I going to used it for the new Kaikioewa article I writing. He was quite a unique person and was a part of Humehume rebellion fighting along side Kalanimoku and Hoapili. I still haven't got into details about him yet but he must have accomplished something to be chosen Governor of Kauai. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Chinatown, Honolulu

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Hawaii Air Bases

This was an area which I have wanted to write some articles about for some time, as they seem to be a forgotten part of World War II. Finally found a reason to write about them, as I've been expanding Seventh Air Force bomber and fighter squadron articles, which, of course, used other airfields than Hickam and Wheeler. I'm happy someone actually looks at the articles :) Personally I'm learning as I'm writing, so feel free to expand on them. Bwmoll3 (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Governor of Oahu

I noticed you add Kuihelani to this list. I agree with you that he was a governor but not on the order or the end of his term. What are your source on his term as governor ending in 1815? I think it should be:

• Kamehameha I direct rule from Waikiki 1795 - 1796
• Kuihelani 1796 – ?
• Isaac Davis ? - 1810
• Oliver Holmes ?

--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Hilo Art Museum

So we're just supposed to let anons blank pages without edit summaries? I asked for evidence. Woogee (talk) 23:00, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I totally disagree with you. If a person is making an edit which changes an article in a significant way, it's their responsibility to source it, it is not the responsibility of the person who's questioning the edit to have to find evidence to the contrary. Woogee (talk) 23:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not planning on an edit war. If you're willing to take responsibility for the edits, then I'm fine with that. Woogee (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Daifukuji Soto Zen Mission

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Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

re: Annie

Thank you for alerting me on the information about her family. Please add any information to her article that you think is needed, I am currently exhausted after doing a MAJOR expansion of the article on Professor Grinnell. Have you read On Her Own Terms by Barbara Stein? It was a good source for many references that I used in the Joseph Grinnell piece. Cheers Marcia Wright (talk) 04:18, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

William DeWitt Alexander

It's a good looking article. Let me know if I can help. Shadowjams (talk) 00:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Review

Would you have time to look over the Joseph Grinnell article? If not, just say so. I can't nom an article that I've worked on extensively, and I shouldn't even be considering GA nom, as they are backlogged quite a bit, but I am anyway. It has been peer reviewed already and that review is archived. Just a long shot here, ignore this if you are too busy. Cheerrs Marcia Wright (talk) 04:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Ainahau

Aloha! I was wondering if you know of any picture of Ainahau because the current one is of the Sheraton Princess Kaiulani Hotel and not the original Ainahau.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Thomas Alexander

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Patterson Alexander

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Kalanimanokahoowaha

Do you know anything about this person? According to History of the Sandwich Islands and An account of the Polynesian race, he was the man who killed Captain Cook. It seems like he deserve an article, maybe at least a stub article. Can create one in your free time? Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

More things come up if you searched under his nickname Kanaina.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Simon Metcalfe

Thanks. I don't know much about Hawaiian history. In fact, I only began to make a page for Metcalfe because I had redlinked him on the Maritime Fur Trade page as perhaps the first American captain to visit the Northwest Coast. I thought I would make a quick very short stub of a page for him--thinking that he wasn't known for much apart from being perhaps the first on the coast and almost being captured during the Nootka Crisis. So I was quite surprised when I did some searches on his name. I just wanted to find birth and death dates and instead found lots and lots and information about Hawaii. Apparently he's most known for the Olowalu Massacre, which I had never heard of! I had never heard of John Young or Isaac Davis either. The story about his son's death in Hawaii and events leading up to it is weird and interesting. And just to cap it off, Metcalfe died at the hands of the Haida, his ship becoming the first captured by the Haida. So my planned stub of a page has grown a bit. I don't intend to work on it too long though, so any further work/integration/etc you want to do would be great. I'll probably move my sandbox draft to a real article later today. Cheers. Pfly (talk) 21:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I pushed it over into a real article, Simon Metcalfe. It's rough, needs sections, copyediting, proofreading, etc. I might have made some mistake about locations in Hawaii, a topic I'm not very knowledgeable about. I think I got it more or less right and tried to use locations and place names I found in various sources. But some sources seemed to differ over specific place names, and I had trouble with some place names. Like, one source described a village or town called Kohala, but it appears that Kohala is the name of the northermost district of the island of Hawaii: Kohala, Hawaii. That source, and others, described Kameʻeiamoku as a chief "at Kohala", or words to that effect. But other sources (including the Wikipedia page about the guy) seem to describe him a Kona, or North Kona chief, referring I assume to Kona District, Hawaii. Anyway, I suspect there are other geographic type issues in the text. Hawaiian geography is challenging, I'm discovering. If nothing else I have trouble keeping the place names straight--most of them look like long strings of the letters k h m l w a e i o and u! And after a while I can't remember whether Keawehala Point or Kaukalaelae Point is near Kawaihae Bay or Keaweula Bay, or if Keawekaheka Point is south of Keaweula Bay or north of Kealakekua Bay (okay, I'm being silly, but you get the picture). Anyway, if you feel so inclined, the article could use, well, lots of help! I'll try to do some copyediting, but am a bit out of my element on some Hawaiian-related issues. Pfly (talk) 08:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Metcalfe and his son Thomas unwittingly provided Western military weapons and advisors for King Kamehameha I

...which helped him fight successful battles against island chiefs and unify the archipelago into one kingdom? I think the sentence should explain (in some way) what happened when Kamehameha received the weapons and advisers. Now that I think about it, it was the cannon from the Fair America that helped Kamehameha the most, and Young and Davis were able to operate it. Viriditas (talk) 19:00, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Amos Starr Cooke

The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Northrup Castle

The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Four Seasons Resort Hualalai

Resolved

I'm not understanding why this move was made. Could you explain? Your reasoning says, "moved Four Seasons Resort Hualalai to Kaupulehu, Hawaii: The resort is only one notable thing at this location, so use location as title, not Hotel name." That isn't correct, as far as I understand it. What you want to do is, create a new article called User:W Nowicki/Kaupulehu, Hawaii, matching what you already have. Move the original article back to Four Seasons Resort Hualalai then create the new article in either user space or at the old redirect. The entry for the FS in Kaupulehu, Hawaii then becomes a summary of the FS section, but preserves itself as a separate article, as it should. As it stands, we now have the page history of the FS article merged into an article about the history and geography of Kaupulehu, Hawaii, when by all accounts, the FS article should standalone, separate from the geography and history article. Viriditas (talk) 20:37, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Please read more carefully: "The resort is only one notable thing at this location." You moved the page history about the hotel to a new article about the location and history of the area. That's not how we create new articles. Viriditas (talk) 20:44, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

On the talk page. Jezhotwells wrote: "I would suggest an article on the area with passing mentions of the hotels and golf course as you suggest." This means creating a new article and redirecting the old page (including its history) to the new article. This redirect preserves the page history and makes it easy for anyone to write a sourced article about the hotel and allows proper categorization of the redirect in the appropriate categories. Is this making sense? Viriditas (talk) 20:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to attempt to fix the problem, but I don't think it's going to work now that the page histories are mixed up. The outcome will be exactly what you have now, but with the proper redirects and categories. Please do not do anything just yet. Viriditas (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Outcome: Kaupulehu, Hawaii is now tagged as {{db-move}} to make way for Kaʻūpūlehu, Hawaii (temporary holding title) to be moved to Kaupulehu, Hawaii. I will file a non-controversial move request to speed things up. The page history of Four Seasons Resort Hualalai is now intact. Viriditas (talk) 21:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Apology

I'm sorry that my comments and edits during the page move/merge debacle frustrated you. Thanks for the good work. Sounds like you're going to get a double/triple DYK on this one. Nice job. Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Good to see you in better spirits today. At some point, we should talk about the stub problem and how to handle it in the future. There's also the problem of project scope which needs to be defined. There are many articles tagged that might not require our assistance. Viriditas (talk) 23:25, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Griffin Hitchcock

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Harvey Rexford Hitchcock

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Johnson Gulick

Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 12:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Computer Usage Company

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Fred Swanton

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DYK nomination of John Mott-Smith

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DYK for John Mott-Smith

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Fred Swanton

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

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Hey

A while ago you left a message on Talk:Hualālai, nothing major but the image you were refering to is cited by the USGS as being an image of the volcano whilst standing atop Mauna Kea. Btw, are you busy? ResMar 21:09, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I really needed the um, native opinion. Kind of hard to define the scope of these volcano articles because the search results are plauged by resort packages and the like. Um, you think it needs anything else in particular? (btw lets keep the discussion here. split stuff hurts my head :) ). ResMar 22:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Ha, I only lived there two years; natives did for a thousand. :-) But I do get the meaning.

For your cup of Kona, Hualālai#History. ResMar 22:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, yes, it does link, but that is a bit misleading. The coffee is grown at about 2000 ft elevation, not in the city. The city is in its rain shadow, which probably led it to be the tourist center, but I do not have a source for that. I can make a few changes. E.g. appostrophes should be 'okina. And why talk about one eruption in one place and the other in the other section? Looks like someone caught a few typos already. W Nowicki (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

What about the 2006 Hawaii earthquake? A lot of sources are mentioning Kohala but by the looks of the charts it's centered on Hualālai. At this point I think that Eruptive activity and Geology are pretty much finished, looking into sources for ecology and human history, got anything to recommend? (thanks a bunch for the help, I really need it :) ). ResMar 02:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, ok, thank you. I'm somewhat surprised that Hual has fewer sources then Kohala. I'm going on vacation today/tommorow so my access will probably be somewhat limited. :) ResMar 00:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Paul Neumann (Attorney General)

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DYK for Paul Neumann (Attorney General)

— Rlevse • Talk • 18:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Charles T. Gulick

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DYK for Charles T. Gulick

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

File:Three Hawaiian Princes in California.jpg

Aloha W! I was wondering if you could crop this picture into three different pictures, but also keeping the original pictures. It would be nice if the Edward Keliiahonui's infoboxes had only his own head in it. Mahalo!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:50, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Aloha W! Thanks for uploading the images, but why does Prince Kealiiahonui's picture have a hat and the other doesn't and you even said it was a crop from the original. Do you think you can upload anymore images from the site where I found Kanaina's picture? Also one other thing I want to ask you about, the Royal Governors of Hawaii...what happen to Mokuhia is he not considered a royal governor?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see. No I don;t understand the whole procedure of uploading images, I still very young and not really good at computers. But the link you gave me, you should upload the pic of Queen Kapiolani and Kawananakoa. I mean the more the merryer. Photograph of Hawaiian royals are really of interest to me. You don't really need to worry much about the quality of the picture; I mean File:Princedavidkawananakoa.jpg looks fine to me. I'm going some other pictures and see if you can upload them for me. I'm going to be on Wikipedia off and on this few weeks because I had back surgery and will be recovering at home so I will have a little more time to edit and making create another article. MAHALO NUI!--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh what was answer to Mokuhia?

Samuel Parker (Hawaii)

Hello! Your submission of Samuel Parker (Hawaii) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:05, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Parker (Hawaii)

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Grove Farm (Lihue, Hawaii)

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hermann A. Widemann

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for George Norton Wilcox

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Adams Cummins

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Henry A. P. Carter

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred Wellington Carter

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred S. Hartwell

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Feast of the Holy Sovereigns

Hello. In February you added a citation to a book from the "Webster's Quotations" series published by Icon Group International to this article. Unfortunately, Icon Group International is not a reliable source - their books are computer-generated, with most of the text copied from Wikipedia (most entries have [WP] by them to indicate this). I'm removing a lot of similar references; many other editors have also been deceived by these sources. Another publisher that reuses Wikipedia articles is Alphascript Publishing. Fences&Windows 22:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Ditto Intelligent Machines Research Corporation in June. Fences&Windows 22:39, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Georges Phillipe Trousseau

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hawaii volcano noms

The Hawaii list is back on FLC again, and I got to nominating Hualalai for GAN. Just a friendly heads up, sorry for the late notice. And yes I am canvassing all relavent people like this, you happen to be canvassed. ;) ResMar 03:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

An oversight of yours, perhaps? Anyway that article is really, really good. And interesting too, actually. Have you considered nominating for FAC? It's way past B class at the very least. ResMar 03:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh and, THATS A LOT OF DYKS :O ResMar 03:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Question: this. So far, the idea I've gotten from the whole {{okina}} thing is you either use them or you don't; has the status quo changed? ResMar 13:50, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok then, you handle it and I'll stare at the results. This okina stuff is a bit confusing...ResMar 15:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Us New Yorkers are proud of our apple :) So, should I change it? ResMar 15:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Henry Nicholas Greenwell

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Politician infoboxes

Check out my edits to Samuel Parker (Hawaii). You should use this for some of your future articles. Do you know how to show that he was a member of the House of Nobles on there or is that not important?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:50, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

On John Mott-Smith you called him Kingdom of Hawaii Minister to U.S., is this the same as Minister Plenipotentiary to the United States?

I agree about the issue about space but if it fits then it should be okay. It just adds some more facts for the reader to read about. The infobox includes everything that Infobox person has except for the parents.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Garner Wilder

— Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Mokuhia

Yeah it's in "HAWAIIAN Almanac and Annual FOR 1911" look at John Young's article, don't know why someone said it was only oral tradition that calls him royal governor. I think it was possible for him to be Mokuhia to rule on Kamehameha I's behalf when he was alway on his earlier Mauian campaigns.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of William Lowthian Green

Hello! Your submission of William Lowthian Green at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Radagast3 (talk) 14:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Tetrahedral hypothesis

Hello, I was added an article on William Lowthian Green because of his political history, and stumbled across his theory. I tried to expand a bit and use inline citations. If you have a chance to take a look and see if I did any damage it would be appreciated. Thanks. W Nowicki (talk) 20:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for doing this, I am really pleased to see it expanded like this. I regret your removal of 'no less a geologist...' - it may be you are unaware of his high standing. I also regret your changes to the plate tectonics bit - the anomalies *are* there, and they *are* unexplained. Plate Tectonics is in its infancy, and much remains to be explained. But I leave it to your judgment & shall not edit further.John Wheater (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

I felt that 1) Holmes's standing gave a sense, without POV, of the standing of the T.H. theory. 2)The anomalies referred to are the earth/water ratios in the hemispheres - obviously not explained, but maybe not needing to be, though they had been addressed by the (wrong) T.H. Good Luck! John Wheater (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Admin coaching?

I note that you signed up for coaching back in April -- are you still interested? I've seen you around DYK and would be willing to try to mentor you. I've never coached before and I'm by no means the world's most active admin, so feel free to decline, but I might perhaps be able to give you a few hints as to how a content writer can broaden their involvement in the project. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 17:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Glad you're still interested! It's sad that the admin coaching programme has so few active coaches at the moment, as I'm sure potential admins are being put off at a time when the admin pool is shrinking. The time difference isn't a problem for me as I usually edit mainly at nighttime, so we may well turn out to be active at similar times. (Note, however, I'm rarely online much at weekends.)

The two articles you linked seem to be progressing very nicely; I find the early geology research completely fascinating. Have you thought about working them up to Good Article standard?

I'd suggest that you create a subpage in your user space for coaching (eg User:W Nowicki/coaching), so that we can chat without worrying about other people reading over our shoulders. A good first step would be for you to think about which areas of admin work you might be interested in, so that we can focus on working towards that. It would also be useful if you would opt in to the edit count summary (you do this by creating the page User:W Nowicki/EditCounterOptIn.js with any content), which will make it easier for me to review your edits and for us both to assess over time how your editing patterns are progressing.

Drop any questions you have onto the coaching subpage, and I'll do my best to answer them! Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 21:52, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

William Lowthian Green

You addressed my two minor quibbles with this article a while ago. It's a GREAT article now! -- Radagast3 (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

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DYK for Henry Nicholas Greenwell

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Mauna Kea

I'm starting work on Mauna Kea. Just keeping you posted, I'm sure you'll be hard at work correcting all my stupid uninitiated mistakes :) ResMar 02:15, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I've only gotten to Geology and Recreation sections so far. I should mention in the infobox that the trail is an annex of the Saddle Road. I want to try for FA with this one. So far I've gone through 6 FACs, with only 1 article passed, not very encouraging. ResMar 16:34, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

In other news, now I have a big stack of DYKs as well ;0 ResMar 16:36, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Geology is finished, I'm making progress on ecology (man, this stuff is facinating!)``` ResMar 00:40, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I can't believe this was never written. ResMar 03:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes thanks, hope I have time to work on these a bit soon. I wonder if the case ties in my recent article on Samuel Mills Damon since his estate sold a huge swath of the big island (entire southeastern slope of Mauna Loa) to expand Hawaii Volcanoes National Park. That is, the case might have implications beyond the one mountain, and maybe Haleakala too. And species preservation was used to buy the Ainahou Ranch in the park. There are all sorts of topics that have no coverage at all on WIkiedpia. An earlier case that needs work is the one establishing public access to all beaches. I think it was around 1973 regarding Kaunaoa Bay Mauna Kea Beach Hotel but have not researched yet. W Nowicki (talk) 17:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Maybe you can give me a list of people that might be petinent to the volcanics articles, and I can add them in as neccessary? You never responded to my note on Hawaiian geologists on my talk page ;) ResMar 03:39, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Lowthian Green

Courcelles 18:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Kaahumanu's resting place

Do you know where Queen Kaahumanu is actually buried? If you look at find a grave she listed as buried on Maui, but there also the story of Gerrit P. Judd writing on Kaahumanu's coffin to the Queen of England during Paulet Affair (1843). Could the coffin actually have been Kinau's (Kaahumanu II) instead?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:59, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

GA review of Hualālai

Hi Nowicki,

I was going through the list at GAN looking for articles to review, and picked out Hualālai before noticing that you'd already begun a review of it (the "under review" tag for the article at GAN had gotten lost somewhere). Anyways, since I'd already started by the time I noticed, I've thrown in an additional review at the end of Talk:Hualālai/GA1 that I hope you may find helpful in your own review.
PS. if you don't have the time for a review of the article right now, I can take over (i'm inclined to pass it based on my own review). Just let me know what you prefer. --Xover (talk) 01:09, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Mauna Kea (2)

Ok, Mauna Kea. Right now I'm in the rough editing stage. I've finished the Geology, Ecology (mostly), and Recreation sections. Are there any outstanding issues with these sections in terms of covering the topic thoroughly? Any refs of interest, or books or etc.? ResMar 03:04, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi guys - pardon me for butting in on your conversation. I can offer a helping hand too if you're interested, mainly of the copyediting kind, but info too. Aloha! Awien (talk) 17:43, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes, please do. So far it has been ResMar but I should be able to help on the non-geology parts once I get two more DYKs in the queue. W Nowicki (talk) 17:46, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I made myself a nice checklist on the article's talk page. Right now I'm most of the way through the rough write. Next step is bother WP:HAWAII people, so yeah, this :D ResMar 19:52, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Seperate issue: do you think File:MaunaKeaStatePark.JPG is the entrance to the Onizuka Center for International Astronomy? It seems awfuly close to this image. The road differences can be explained with the renovation of the Saddle Road between the 1996 and 2007 photos; otherwise they seem very similar, and I can't find much on Wikipedia on a Mauna Kea State Park.

Further details: the centre is located at 2804 meters (approximatly), and the timberline can be seen in this picture. The timberline is around ~3500 meters or so, so that matches up as well...ResMar 20:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

You have been active on the main article so I tried to avoid edit conflict. Alas I never got there myself. But I think the answer is no, it might be the state park on the saddle. I did work on Mauna Kea Trail a bit, and I see Onizuka Center for International Astronomy has been worked on a bit. The real issue about driving to the summit turns out not be "SUV" vs. sedan, although most people say Four-wheel drive, but brakes. That is, many people can drive up the mountain, and although the 4WD helps go when stuck in snow, a more common problem is overheating brakes on the way down. I remember reading this in an article but need to put my finger on it of course to cite. W Nowicki (talk) 00:45, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

The picture seems to be near Bradshaw Field, 19°44′57″N 155°31′35″W about 6500 feet elevation. W Nowicki (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Are you sure? There aren't any other good illustrative pictures on it :/ ResMar 03:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I've finished the native part of Human history :) ResMar 03:58, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure File:MaunaKeaStatePark.JPG isn't HP: I was fooled for a moment into thinking it was, and just an unfamiliar angle, but I showed it to an astronomer who has spent hundreds of nights at HP and was told flatly it isn't. I also think WN is right - everything is consistent for that identification. Awien (talk) 11:07, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

You asked an astronomer? Wicked. ResMar 14:06, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Whoo, finally done writing. This could write the article all in itself. What a paper! Anyway, now is the stage where I bother the project as to completeness :) ResMar 19:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Anyway, does it look complete enough? ResMar 01:28, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks VERY complete at first glance ^_- Will try to make a pass at it in detail as time permits. As for astronomy, it was you who found the mother lode with the CMP document - bravo! Hasta luego, Awien (talk) 13:28, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Sure, much more complete. Still many nits, e.g. mention Douglas' demise. As to the CMP, credit needs to go to Richard Ha (I had the pleasure of meeting once). It might be worth mentioning more on the controversy, or maybe in the observatory article. See for example this article W Nowicki (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Let's move the discussion to the article talk page. One a related note, however, doing my bio articles I ran across History of Palmyra Atoll and noticed the Line Islands article is very thin. Whenever you want to do another island chain, for example. W Nowicki (talk) 22:33, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Samuel Mills Damon

Courcelles 12:02, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Owen Smith

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Ansel Kinney

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Questions

The long trail of questions, have you fixed them or are they a pending issue...? ResMar 02:26, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Not me, I went back to my regularly scheduled work because you and Awien seemed to be making some changes. Hope to have some time today to take a look again. I did redo Mauna Kea Adz Quarry to be an article about the Mauna Kea Ice Age Reserve as a whole, and so far have not been reverted. Now to do the last step and see how it goes. W Nowicki (talk) 17:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Onizuka Center for International Astronomy

Wow, so pretty now ^_^ And I bet you know how to make a redirect from Hale Pōhaku in one hundredth of the time it would take me . . . Mahalo ! Awien (talk) 22:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but not sure we need a redirect. I could not find any links to it. And a couple mentions refer to other instances. If you web search to get a condo with that name, for example. More important is linking it up. And of course wish we had a picture of the real deal, not the guy. And the Adz Quarry too. So have you also noticed Mauna Kea Ice Age Reserve and Mauna Kea State Recreation Area....W Nowicki (talk) 23:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

And that reminds me, it needs a Kahako I think.... W Nowicki (talk) 23:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Right on both counts - better? And I'd seen the park one but not the Ice Age Reserve. Good work. Awien (talk) 00:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Questions

I've handled everything except for the ahupuaʻa issue, and of course the Recreation balance issue. Can you give me a link to that? As for recreation, the balance is somewhast better now, although its very poorly organized and in dire need of a rewrite. I'll sandbox it tommorow. I love Awien's reaction though. Who knows, someone might have had a terrible time climbing a mountain because of me :) ResMar 03:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Annnnd done. ResMar 02:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Now that is personally offensive. Yeah, I'm ignoring concensus. More like I'm ignoring bad writing. I'm not sure whether to be bewildered that you tried to sneak around me like that, or angry in your lack of faith with me. Either way, I've rewritten the whole thing. My advice: if you have something to say, say it, and don't slink off like that. ResMar 02:35, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Please assume good faith and try to calmly look at what actually happened. At least three editors agreed that recreation should focus on activities that are common (lower down on the mountain) and not start by making sound like the summit is a popular place. Several also thought the article had too many details that should be in other articles, or was just too wordy. When some of us tried to help, you backed out our changes and instead of trying to convince us of your reasoning in a civil discussion, posted angry comments. Nobody tried to "sneak" anything; I was just asking advice as was offered. Instead of ignoring "bad" writing, cooperating with other editors to understand why they did what they did might be a better approach. Peace. W Nowicki (talk) 20:18, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

I took everything everyone said in account and completely rewrote the section. In trying to address the concerns, the article became more of a miscinclery then a viable section. I hope the new, condensed version is better. There are still no refs for what is the most active use of the mountain, which is a major handicap, but something the article can live with. I have to ask though, what do you mean by the lead needing to be more of a summary? ResMar 00:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not know what "miscinclery" is so do not follow that comment.

The lead section should give a general context for the article, explain why the subject is notable, and summarize the rest. Its best to avoid repeating details that are mentioned in the body. For example, I would not even give its exact elevation (or elevation but not total "size" from base, see my comment about "tall"), but state that it is a volcanic mountain, and the highest point for tousands of miles (kilometers? even though the USA uses English units, or say "in the Pacific" or "great distances"). Even worse, right now the name derrivation is the first thing mentioned, which is not in the body at all. I would reverse that: put the name discussion in the body, and avoid it totally in the lead, since it is not the most notable thing about the mountain. Other part of the lead could be compressed, as could other parts of the article. For example, I removed the detail that Parker arrived in 1809 (partly because most sources say 1808), since he was not associated with the mountain until decades later. He ran a farm in Kohala and then a store, as per his article. Also generally the rules for citations are more lenient when summarizing in the lead or other articles that are linked. Mostly only controversial facts need to be re-cited if they are already cited in the body of the article or linked one, although general citations supporting the summarized content might help charges of synthesis. However, if one can look at any non-specialized map and see the parks at the base of the mountain, it would seem to easily meet Wikipedia:Verifiability requirements without citation. But if you need them, getting the sources from those articles would also work, instead of removing the content. W Nowicki (talk) 18:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

The linguistics are there because they give context to the article. I'll move it into Human history, as it fits there as well. As to elevation, isn't it elevation that is one of the most notable things about Mauna Kea? Elevation is a fairly important charecteristic an grande, but particularly so with Mauna Kea, which is the highest point in Hawaii, holds several other hieght-related statuses, and is the highest peak in the world by dry prominence.

Yes, but at least to me the relative hieight is important point. If, say, Mauna Kea was 4,204 m it might not be less notable, nor would it be much more notable if it were 4,206 m. But the compromise I suggested was to leave that in but remove the numbers from the Everest comparison. Anyway my guess is that during a review someone is going to copyedit this significantly, so will let them do it and move onto other projects.

Units: the article is written from a scientific perspective, which uses the metric system. There's no "rule" saying US articles have to be written in one format or another, and I perfer metrics, which are much easier to understand. Parker: Even so, his date of arrival clarifies his non-native status, and is an important point even if he wasn't directly involved with the project for some time. That's like saying, "After his work in World War 2, Wernher von Braun was transported to the United States, and would become a central figure in the American space program." The immediate question asked is, when? From where?

Very different, since von Braun was very involved in rocketry in his native country, so the detail might be relevant in an article on rocketry. Mentioning, say, the breed of his dog might not be. Parker was not involved in the mountain until decades later, and in fact A. W. Carter was the one who bought up most of Mauna Kea almost a hundred years later. And in fact many people who did affect Mauna Kea on Parker ranch were of mixed race, since J. P. married Hawaiian. But people who care can always click through to the Parker Ranch article etc. Put it this way: would Mauna Kea be much different if Parker only stayed, say, 30 years instead of 36 in Kohala before moving to Mauna Kea? vs. would the US space program have been different if the Germans had not done what they did? Include only relevant details.

References: Not really. Hamakua Coast for example has only a single reference, and that's only applicable to one sentance in the article, and is a shakey source in terms of reliability as well. For all anyone knows, it could be comepletely synthesized original work. ResMar 02:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

See my comment on the talk page. If the other articles need work, you can do the research and improve them. W Nowicki (talk) 17:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Cushman Jones

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hamakua Coast picture?

Aloha, W Nowicki. Finally, the Mauna Kea Recreational significance section seems to be on track, which is good, even though it still needs some work. In the meantime, you have added such good pictures to so many Hawaii articles, I wonder whether you would like to decorate this section with one? Mahalo! Awien (talk) 12:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Sure, feel free to add another picture. Although that one looks like "geography" more than "recreation". Perhaps the one on Kolekole Beach Park or Akaka Falls might be more recreational? In the meanwhile I am working on Hamakua a bit too. W Nowicki (talk) 00:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Primo Brewing & Malting Company

Aloha fellow "all things Hawaii" editor :) I recently built the Primo Brewing & Malting Company article and thought perhaps you could add a little dash to it... Also, my ref/cite additions are pretty lazy on wp. Do you know of an automator/bot that can clean them up? I tried reflinks but it didn't identify any needed changes. Mahalo! --Travis Thurston+ 04:24, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Wigglesworth Dole

Hello! Your submission of Wigglesworth Dole at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Daniel Dole

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Edmund Pearson Dole

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wigglesworth Dole

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help with Mahiole, I didn't understand the Hawaiian character set and it is being created on-line for DYK and the BBC have a programme about it in about 3 weeks. Victuallers (talk) 16:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Glad to see a new article, thanks. Yes, the language has the usual problems with a spoken toungue that is atempted to be encoded by European alphabet; the limited number of consonants makes many words sound the same to us, but I do my best. I took the liberty of clarifying the history there and hope did not get into an edit conflict. I would also suggest linking to feather cloak at some point since the two went together. Also a bit misleading to talk abotu the Bishop Museum's one being "200 years old" since any authentic ones are about the same age. The art was essentially lost when the missionaries came in the 1820s.

W Nowicki (talk) 17:10, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Wananalua Congregational Church

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William Harrison Rice

— Rlevse • Talk • 12:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Paul Isenberg

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Spencer Wilcox

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Albert Spencer Wilcox Building

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Abner Wilcox

— Rlevse • Talk • 06:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Project cleanup

ResMar is helping with project cleanup, and I was wondering if you would join him and I in a discussion about how to improve the project when you are settled in after your trip. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 22:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Onizuka Center pic

Did I do something wrong? I tweaked the description of the dormitory picture, and (as a result?) it's now not displaying . . . Awien (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello again

Can you look into Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mauna Kea/archive1? Cheers, ResMar 20:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Importance field

Before you waste any more time filling out the importance field, the reason it is blank in many cases is because it is mostly deprecated in use, both in the project and in general assessment practices altogether. In other words, it should be removed from the template. Viriditas (talk) 01:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Huh? It certainly is more subjective than ideal, but was filled in on thousands of articles. Anyway the excercise was not totally in vain, because I found several interesting articles lost in the shuffle. Of course everyone thinks their article is "top". My rough guide is to guess how likely the article will be upgraded to something like "good" status, such as how many different reliable sources it is likely to have. I would suggest to please get a third opinion before throwing it away. Other projects seem to use it. IMO there are other more useful things to do with your time. For example, the documentation of the template had some glaring errors (red links) and I only fixed some obvious ones. W Nowicki (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, if I wasn't clear. The importance field isn't used by many active projects as it has been mostly deprecated. I'm not sure why we still have it as it doesnt seem to help us. Not sure what you are talking about in regards to glaring errors and red links, as that doesn't parse. Viriditas (talk) 19:48, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I cannot tell what does not "parse" for you. Other projects I work with such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography and Wikipedia:WikiProject California do use the importance field (or priority field, sigh). All I was saying was that I find that importance information useful, and suggested that a third opinion be requested (beter yet, a project wide discussion to reach consensus) before you remove it. Also I tried to offer what I thought was a constructive suggestion: if you have time to work on project pages, fixing glaring errors in the project pages might be a better use of that time than throwing away information some of us consider useful. For example, these edits removed a few red links from the template documentation, but there are more. At least in my opinion, red links on project pages (except of course for requested articles) would be more pressing concerns. Even the main project page refers to {{WPHawaii}} while the current convention seems to be to spell it out as {{WikiProject Hawaii}}. It still mentions the newsletter, etc. W Nowicki (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm active on biography and California articles and have been for some time. Do you have any evidence that those projects use the priority and importance fields to manage their workload? If you don't, feel free to pull out a top, high, or mid level importance set and break it down by table for us, as the assessment pages do it. However, I do not believe this is helpful, and our time would be better spent focusing on topics and article assessment. For example, we have a lot of B-Class articles that can be turned into GA's, and C's that can be turned into B's, etc. I did not say I was going to remove the tag, so I have no idea why you just said that above. I said, it should be removed. Big difference. As for the red link, that's not an error, that's a deleted category.[1] And I'm not sure why you are making these comments about project pages on your talk page when we are discussing this very issue on the project page. There always seems to be a bit of a disconnect when we discuss, so in the future, I'll try to be very precise with my comments to avoid any misunderstanding. Ask me questions if you are interested in anything, and I will be happy to answer. Viriditas (talk) 04:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

As for {{WPHawaii}}, somebody has recently enforced template standardization, which is fine. I've made a bot request for a project-wide change to {{WikiProject Hawaii}} along with a watchlist update. Since you noticed this change in the template standard, I'm curious why you didn't change it yourself. Viriditas (talk) 04:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Kaupulehu, Hawaii

You recently made this edit, restoring the hidden article field. I don't know if that's what you intended, but I'm assuming it was, and therefore, I've restored Four Seasons Resort Hualalai. Viriditas (talk) 02:54, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I thought that was fait acompli months ago: you over-ruled my way of doing things. If you took the time to develop a reasonably well-sourced article, might as well not hide it. Was just trying to finish some loose ends before moving on to other projects. Sorry if it made more work for you. W Nowicki (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by your "way of doing things" or what that refers to. All the diff shows is that you "unhid" the main article link, making it redirect to the same article. To avoid this, I restored the content of the main link from my user space. Normally, links don't link to the page from where they are linked. Viriditas (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Move vs. "merge". You should be able to look in the logs for the May 21 issues and see what I was talking about. Or not, because as indicated above constructive edits might also be a good use of time. Aloha. W Nowicki (talk) 17:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Again, no idea what you mean. I've been discussing project tasks on the project page.[2] Feel free to help. Viriditas (talk) 04:27, 16 October 2010 (UTC)