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Sanctions on Ukraine

Hi! Oikotimes stated today that sanctions on Ukraine could be indeed brought to life. So, we have two sources which are contradicting each other.--Tohaomg (talk) 19:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@Tohaomg: do not use Oikotimes. They are not a reliable source. WikiProject Eurovision stays clear of that website for the reason they are untrustworthy. Wes Wolf ^Talk 01:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata item about Russia–Ukraine relations in the Eurovision Song Contest

I translated the article to ukrainian and therefore created a wikidata item d:Q29108767. Maybe you would be interested in filling up this item. --Tohaomg (talk) 21:10, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Looks good. Not sure how Ukrainian Wikipedia works, but you have given attribution towards myself I am assuming? I know on English Wikipedia, if we translate articles from Wiki to Wiki, we are required to provide a mandatory attribution of the article's original creator - part of the copying within Wikimedia. Wes Wolf ^Talk 09:45, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Kara

I was just going to ask you for advice. I have reverted the edits of editor Kakan88 at Jasmine Kara. She claimed to be Jasmine Kara, I then contacted Jasmine Kara on her social media and she confirmed that it is the singer that contacted me here. I am just trying to decide what to do, she wants to make some quite extensive edits to her own article, but I am not sure if is in the best interest to have singers editing their own articles. She does not seem to grasp how to edit either.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: this is a clear decision case, which you should be aware of by now. Kara cannot edit her own article due to WP:COI. Seeing as I'm turning into some COI expeert, I'll deal with the article and tag it up accordingly. Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, I have never been in this situation before. Thereby my question. Yeah you are the expert apparently, I was told by another editor :) You are rigth about COI.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Lol BabbaQ. Ironically, this is the sixth COI case in 3 weeks. Maybe I should be joining the COI team haha. Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Lol, yeez ýou should definitely join the COI team and get some proper credit :)BabbaQ (talk) 21:59, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Wes, of course you were formally correct in posting to Kakan88, but I don't think she needs a whole template with lots of cautions and links, few of which are relevant to her. That can be off-putting and confusing to new users. She had already acknowledged she's Jasmine and BabbaQ had confirmed it via Facebook. Please see my more personal post above yours on her page, where I explained to her that she's not supposed to edit the article directly. That's really all she needs, in my opinion. But I see BabbaQ wrote to you — I'm not sure why, as I had already answered him and written to the user. Bishonen | talk 11:34, 5 April 2017 (UTC).

@Bishonen: I can understand where you are coming from in your comment, but I implemented common-logic on this case. Firstly, I've got sick to the back teeth of being accused by other users of not following rules or doing my job properly. Being told over and over that I "regularly fuck up what I am doing on here", is starting to take its toll. So I am now following the rule book, so that people will finally get off my case. It is best to be seen as doing a job to a high standard, than not to be seen doing anything at all. Secondly, I very much doubt Kakan88 will be constructively editing any other articles - and that is evident from the fact she has only edited her own article. So to say the template would be "off-putting to new users" as if to imply it will scare her off editing anything else is an understatement. I can't see her editing anything other than material connected to herself. Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:08, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh, sure. But put yourself in her place. Only being interested in one's own bio is not a crime, and we need to be nice to article subjects. Bishonen | talk 14:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC).

John

On a sadder note, the host of Melodifestivalen 1989 John Chrispinsson died yesterday. He was great that year along with Yvonne Ryding.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Name change

Hi there. For some reason, I just figured out that you're not Wesley Mouse anymore. Can you tell me why you re-branded yourself as Wesley Wolf? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.16.135.184 (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

When I saw this IP address post on Wesley's talk page, I instantly figured it would be who I thought it was. Remember that you have "rebranded" yourself on numerous occasions. According to the sockpuppet archives, asides from RebeccaTheAwesomeXD (talk · contribs), you've gone by the usernames:

• RebeccaTheMegaAwesome (talk · contribs)
• Perhaps Red Plastic 12000 (talk · contribs)
• June The Mega Wonderful (talk · contribs)
• Various IP addresses

Maybe you would do Wes the courtesy of explaining why you sockpuppet with different names before he's obliged to state his reasons for changing his username once through an approved procedure? —Tuxipεdia^(talk) 01:01, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Need not worry, Tuxipedia. I knew it was her from her first few words. She is predictable. No matter what "rebrand" she takes, she will still be evading an indefinite block, not to mention committing sockpupperty. I've informed admin to reblock her instead of rebranding. Wes Wolf ^Talk 11:29, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

True, but when my case was archived, hers was along with it. So I doubt it will be resolved in this case. Still, by the looks of her contributions she hasn't really been active for ages until now. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

@Tuxipedia: The most recent block expired 7 April - and she resumed editing a day after the block expired - which she is renowned for doing lately. It is as if she makes a note of the expiry date and then purposely returns, knowing she will be reblocked. Wes Wolf ^Talk 12:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

From now on, if ever she reappears, we need to implement a couple of things. 1) Deny recognition. She is clearly getting some kick out of being noticed. She is a pest, not a celebrity - so avoid giving her Wiki-celebrity status. 2) Act on revert, block, ignore guidelines. And if the matter does get any worse, then we could look into reporting her as long-term abuser, so the wider community can act upon her and allow you and I to continue collaborating accordingly. Wes Wolf ^Talk 12:28, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

User Page

Hi Wes. I've admired your user page for a long time, and I've liked certain things about it. Perhaps one thing I would like to borrow would be your wikibreak transclusion at the top of your talk page. I'm not sure if other editors use that idea, but given I'm going on a brief holiday for the first time as an active user, I feel it could be necessary to have one of my own. Besides this, your user page has been a source of inspiration for my user page lately, and I feel that credit is due. Is it okay for me to use a wikibreak transclusion like you do then credit you at the bottom of my user page? — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 23:53, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

@Tuxipedia: sure by all means copy the transclusion. A few editors have similar. Wes Wolf ^Talk 07:34, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Anna Trincher

Sorry for flooding your talk page lately. I was scouting around a bit and I came across Trincher Anna Leonidivna. I added a couple of categories and added WikiProject Eurovision to the talk page banners, before finding out that the redirect "Anna Trincher" used to be an article and has already been merged into "Ukraine in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2015" because it failed point 9 of WP:MUSICBIO. I've proposed the article for deletion, but I was wondering if there was anything worth salvaging from it before its content is lost. Your advice would be appreciated. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 04:41, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

One of two things could be done with this case. Speedy deletion, or redirect. I've opted for the latter. Wes Wolf ^Talk 04:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Russia in the Eurovision Song Contest

I marked Russia's withdrawal as Romania's disqualification was marked last year and Armenian withdrawal was marked in 2012. I've never seen the new color code you added in use for the withdrawal. Even if we mark it with a color, I think that non participation should be marked with a color that wouldn't stand out that much. Also the color key change was really unnecessary in my opinion, the one which I put there is the one used on every other country's Eurovision page. Mihitza78 (talk) 20:02, 13 April 2017 (CET)

@Mihitza78: The withdrawal colour scheme was used on Romania and Armenia - so why it has been removed is rather strange, and the method should be reinstated. It follows the same style used on Junior pages, and has been used on Cyprus in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest. That is why I reverted your version, as it did not follow the uniformity across all articles. Wes Wolf ^Talk 18:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: The green color which is being used is too outstanding, the grey one used on Romania and Armenia works much better in my opinion. I've seen that the Junior Eurovision pages use that color key, but the "Adult" Eurovision uses the different one. I think it is pointless to have different ones, but in that case we would have to change it on all pages. Junior Eurovision is another thing after all. Mihitza78 (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2017 (CET)

@Mihitza78: to state that Junior Eurovision is another thing after all, is not right. Their contest's (along with others like Turkvision) still come under the scope of WikiProject Eurovision. Also you may wish to note that the decision on colour was reached by consensus. Seeing as you are a member of the project, then at least be seen as complying with styles used by the project. The green is only applied when a country has already selected a song/artists. If they withdrew without selecting, then green is not used. Wes Wolf ^Talk 18:17, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@Mihitza78:To replace the green with gray would give the false impression that withdrawing were comparable to not participating in the first place. A country's withdrawal is quite a rare event, and has heavy implications. In this case, using the colour gray would be insufficient in describing the magnitude of the decision to withdraw. Green has always been used because it draws the reader's attention to a year that is different. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 19:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Gagauzia song on Turkvision 2013

Hello, Wesley Wolf. About the Gagauz song on Turkvision 2013: the contest is kind of a mess in terms of information (the 2013 edition specially). The song was posted as Ден севдам in Lüdmila Tukan's ok.ru page (https://ok.ru/profile/584557245969/statuses/all), in February 2016. I don't think you are able to reproduce the audio in that page anymore (the post is still there, but the audio seems to be broken), but you can find the song in those mp3 download sites, if you would like to listen to it and compare to what was performed in Turkvision. Alternatively, there is nothing connecting Lüdmila Tukan to any song called "Вернись любовь" with the exception of every single news source which just shared the incorrect information from the official source. Please take into account as well that this is not something new, as there is the precedent from the Tuvan song, which I also notified as incorrect in January 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.205.3.24 (talk) 17:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

To be honest, if the official Turkvision source states the song title as being "Вернись любовь", then the official source would be seen as more reliable, than any other published source. Wes Wolf ^Talk 08:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I won't bother anymore, but let me make my final argument so you can make your final judgement, because the song is clearly wrong: it is sung in a Turkic language, not a Slavic one, so it wouldn't be "Vernis' lyubov'" either way. And if you listen to the song, it clearly says "Den sevdam" in the beginning of the chorus. The official source is not reliable at any means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.205.3.24 (talk) 16:17, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

You clearly need to grasp the meaning of reliable sources. The Turkvision official website is the primary source. If there are discrepancies with various sources, then we go off what the official source uses. The fact you are stating the official source is wrong, is pure ludicrous. So I do not need your final argument in order to make any final judgement, as my final judgement still stands. The official source is the correct source. What you are stating is incorrect, and being based off an unofficial and unreliable source. This source that you state is correct, is in actual fact a fake profile account belonging to a fan. So I stand my case that you are basing your facts upon an unreliable source. Wes Wolf ^Talk 16:52, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

No problem, it is unfortunate, but if that's how things work here, then my job is done. I do think there should be at least something on the page stating the information might be incorrect, as anyone listening to a Turkic-language song will clearly know it shouldn't have a Slavic title. By the way, you should also then revert the Tuva song to the incorrect information from the official source, because the change I made on January 5th 2014 was also result of actually listening to the song and knowing the artist repertoire, instead of trusting the Türkvizyon site. Back then, someone else accepted that argument. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.205.3.24 (talk) 16:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

No signs to state information is incorrect are required. In doing that we are basically saying that Wikipedia is incorrect and doesn't trust official sources. Not a logical thing you want to be doing. As for reverting Tuva, seeing as you did the edit, then the burden is on you to self-revert. Have a nice day! Wes Wolf ^Talk 16:12, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm a fan of the Eurovision Song Contest

Hi Wesley, I'm also a fan of Eurovision Song Contest too! What is your favourite? Mine is the song "Euphoria" from 2012! The Junior Eurovision Song's favourite is probably "Not My Soul" in 2015. Hope to see a reply soon :-) — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([nʲɪ‿bʲɪ.spɐˈko.ɪtʲ]) 07:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

P.S. What is your reaction to Yulia Samoylova withdrawing in 2017? I find it quite upsetting not everyone can participate as expected now... — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([nʲɪ‿bʲɪ.spɐˈko.ɪtʲ]) 07:01, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't really have a favourite, as all of the songs are good. But if I was to pick one, then it would be "Love Shine a Light". That song still sounds fresh today as it did 20 years ago. Wes Wolf ^Talk 10:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Another sockpuppet

I was laughing pretty hard when I came accross this diff. I wonder who it could be... If there's the slightest trace of uncertainty check the brief contribution history, including an edit of Anahit Adamyan. I don't know about you, but I hear quacking. I don't have time to deal with it though because I'm just leaving on holiday again. Just thought you'd like to know. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 04:49, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

 Done I've reported her. And also seeking long term abuser status to be pinned on her. Wes Wolf ^Talk 10:00, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

May

Protected

@MelanieN: Here we go. I knew I would be attacked by this arsehole. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:20, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Protected. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:22, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks NeilN. I would like to say I'm psychic to know they would attack here next. But I think anyone would have seen that coming lol. Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:24, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

...which I (edit conflict)ed on. I defer to NeilN's longer one:) DMacks (talk) 02:25, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. This LTA is rather tenacious. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:27, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

With how fast this dude is switching IP accounts, no wonder he calls himself "Nate Speed". Although he might have met his match with me, seeing as I'm the "Wolf" that bites - . Wes Wolf ^Talk 02:29, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Flame Is Burning

Hi Wesley Wolf. Just letting you know, I've moved Flame Is Burning back after you moved it last month, as there is nothing I can see written at WP:TITLEFORMAT about not capitalising the first letter of words like "Is". I don't see why there would be anything about that written there anyway, as that section does not concern what letters to capitalise and what to not, and that would contradict MOS:CT, which concerns what letters are capitalised in English language titles on Wikipedia. MOS:CT says: "The following words should be capitalized in English-language titles: [...] Every verb, including forms of to be (Be, Am, Is, Are, Was, Were, Been)". (Also, just letting you know, no need to ping me, I watchlist talk pages I post on.) Ss112 10:50, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for informing me of this and providing the helpful hints too. Wes Wolf ^Talk 12:02, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Please check my source before calling me lier

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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you locked my topic on the junior eurovision 2017 talk page without even checking my source. please check my source.84.212.111.156 (talk) 16:49, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I've checked the source you provided here, and I'm not certain what point you are trying to make. There is no mention of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest anywhere. Perhaps you would like to clearly and explicitly state what exactly this has to do with Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2017. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 20:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

It would probably help if the IP could spell. Lier? Do you not mean "liar"? And I merely pointed a truthful fact. I joined Wikipedia in 2011, and every year without fail you have posted the same old story that Norway is going to pull out of Eurovision, or they will pull out of Junior Eurovision. Firstly, they are not taking part in Junior Eurovision, so cannot exactly "pull-out" of a contest which they do not participate in. Secondly, it is a proven fact that Norway do not intend to return to JESC, as they are concentrating more on the Nordic version. That is what this source is referencing. P.S. I have not locked anything. The discussion thread is merely archived. Any subsequent comments can still be made underneath the {{Archive bottom}} section once you have clicked "edit". Wes Wolf ^Talk 05:37, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Vandalism: Spokesperson of Ukraine in Eurovision 2017

It was officially announced that Zlata Ognevich will be the spokesperson of Ukraine in Eurovision 2017: https://vk.com/wall-139245847_1581. Pavlo Shylko is the official speaker of the contest, not the spokesperson of results nor the commentator. Please, check information in the official sources. Don't spread vandalism in Wikipedia. Thank you. ^{talk to me} 13:46, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello @EricLewan: There is a reason your edit was reverted. Having looked at the original source, it appears whoever inserted misunderstood the meaning and didn't realize that Pavlo Shylko was the spokesperson for a team of organisers, not the Ukrainian delegation. Your source translates poorly over Google translate so I can't be one-hundred percent certain that Zlata Ognevich will be the spokesperson. The reason, ultimately, that your edit was reverted was because you didn't use an edit summary and because you removed a citation without immediately providing another. Wesley Wolf cares greatly about the reliability of articles within the WikiProject Eurovision scope, and rightly so due to the high levels of original research they receive, so he was right to place a user warning on your talk page. Accusing him of spreading vandalism, as well as Chris troutman as shown here, is provocative, and I would suggest that if you want other editors to listen to what you have to say, don't go around assuming bad faith and calling people vandals. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 22:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Well to start off with, VK is a social media site, so not exactly 100% reliable. Secondly, EricLewan needs to tone down on his comments and stop accusing me of vandalism. You hardly know me, and if you did, you would know that I hold a strong dislike to vandals. It would be hypocritical of me to hate vandals and then start vandalising myself. The reason I reverted your edit is because you changed details on a living person without A) explaining why in the edit summary, and B) without providing a new and more reliable source. Wikipedia has strict rules when adding content on living people, and you did not follow those rules. As this is not the first time you have made such edits regarding people, then your actions constituted vandalism. Wes Wolf ^Talk 07:11, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Revert on List of Eurovision Song Contest winning songwriters

I apologise, but I didn't quite understand why you reverted my last edit to the article List of Eurovision Song Contest winning songwriters. The automated message you left on my talk page didn't clarify in what way my edit comprised "experimenting with Wikipedia" (which is odd either way, since I've been around for some time; I would hardly call any good faith mistakes "experimenting"). Thanks! -- RickMorais (talk) 04:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@RickMorais: "Since you have been around a long time"? Your 19 December 2011 versus my 13 August 2011. I think I've been around a little bit longer. The revert was because you changed an image for no specific reason. It did not improve anything, and the singer was not even present in your revision. So yes, it did appear to be "experimenting". And if you have been here a long time, as you have expressed, then you would also know the message I left is a standard worded message produced via twinkle. I cannot change the wording on a template that was posted on your talk page. Wes Wolf ^Talk 04:20, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Your point being that you've been around 4 months longer than me? I wasn't trying to "pull rank" or anything, I was just saying it seems off to say someone who's been editing for 6 years is "experimenting" (or in other words, that perhaps you ought not to just have left an automatic message?)

Either way, that's not at all important and I don't want to come off as argumentative. If you'll check my edit again, you'll see that I didn't "change an image for no specific reason" -- I added a picture of this year's winner to the gallery. -- RickMorais (talk) 04:34, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@RickMorais: If you wasn't trying to pull rank, then why make the remark in the first place? You clearly were trying to pull rank, as you assumed I was a newbie or had been a user for a lesser period than yourself, and are now back-tracking your remark. And to be honest, I was editing as an IP for approximately 2 or 3 months prior to my account creation date, after being invited by a fellow member of WP:ESC to do so. But who joined Wikipedia first is neither here nor there, as it is just a petty battleground cry, and experience is not something to use as a weapon against others. Your revision did not improve much, and the singer was not even present in that image, only his sister. The photo gallery of winners on that article is suppose to use an image that shows the singer only, not their songwriter or other persons accompanying them. So yes, it did appear to be "experimenting" albeit in a minor sense of the word. Wes Wolf ^Talk 04:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Need I point out the article is called List of Eurovision Song Contest winning songwriters? -- RickMorais (talk) 04:51, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Don't start getting facetious with me, please. Yes I just noticed seconds before you posted that last comment, that it is the songwriters article. I've been too busy chasing around and cleaning up a trail of vandalism from User:Neverrainy, that I've not even been to sleep yet. I wish that user would just cut some slack and stop vandalising, so that I can get to bed. . Wes Wolf ^Talk 04:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Cheers! -- RickMorais (talk) 04:56, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@RickMorais: Cheers for what? We do need to be careful of WP:NOTGALLERY though, as those sections should not become a catalogue of images. Only more notable and well-known songwriters should only be in there. Wes Wolf ^Talk 04:58, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

• If you wouldn't mind doing a favour so that I can sleep without thinking too much about the destruction User:Neverrainy is causing. Is there any chance you could assist on the watch on the user. I can feel my eyes getting so heavy that I could sleep standing up. Wes Wolf ^Talk 05:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I'll try and help out with the user where I can. Good night Wes. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 05:29, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Eurovision 2017 tables

Regarding your deletion of the full results in Eurovision 2017. (Reverted to revision 780264159 by ChallengeLover: Please see the edit summary. We do not add both jury and televote columns in this table section. Never have in the past. Stick to presentation style. (TW)) (undo Could you at least add the jury/televote in a "split" fashion, as is in other Eurovision articles, at least? As both the jury and televotes are given in the full, I think it's perfectly valid and interesting to see both numbers in the table, but I see you think otherwise. The "split" votes are usually hidden away in the other articles, so it shouldn't be too disturbing to your field of view. - Jetro (talk) 07:34, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Jetro: Because Wes currently is asleep, I presume, I'll provide you with an answer. I'm glad that you show an interest in the contest, but consensus from WikiProject Eurovision is that we do not insert too much information into the tables, as this is mentioned elsewhere, as you will find in the Eurovision Song Contest 2016 article and others like it. We place this information under the scoreboard header in collapsible tables. Nevertheless, if you are interested in Eurovision, perhaps you would like to add your name to the members list. That way, you could acquaint yourself with typical Eurovision editing styles. Consider this an informal invitation. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 08:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance @Tuxipedia:, indeed I was asleep. @Jetro:, if you wish for the style layout to change, then you shouldn't be coming to a user's talk page seeking that to happen - I do not WP:OWN the articles. Eurovision articles come under the scope of WP:ESC, so any changes to format and layout need to be discussed with the project, as the impact would be wider than just one article. Which if you actually had checked the archives, it was noted that having split results in the participation table would be too complicated to the average reader. After all. the final result is the combined total, not the split results. That is why they are shown differently for those who may wish to know that information. We should not be force-feeding data down people's throats. Just like an old proverb - less is more!. Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:44, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Nul points

Hi Wesley, great work on ESC articles. Dont know if you're following the issue of nul points in the infobox but nul points from jury or televote seems notable and worth recording even though as you know nul points overall is extremely unlikely under current system. Infobox entry on this is being blanked regularly, it only affects 2016 and 2017. Any views? Zymurgy (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor Zymurgy: I've sub-sectioned this comment, hope you don't mind. In response to the question however, I was under the impression that we were now noting nul points for both jury and televoting since the voting system changed last year. I seem to recall that outcome being reached anyway. Who is it that has forgotten about the new method, do we know? Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:31, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Great thanks Wesley - I'm seeing this here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/009988aaabbbccc, I changed back a number of times with reference in edit summary to the article on the voting system but this was reverted again a few times. You are probably keeping an eye on the 2016 and 2017 articles more often than I am so was interested in your views.Zymurgy (talk) 20:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not 100% certain, but I belive nul points is for countries which received no points from both the jury vote and televote. I hope that clears things up. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 20:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor Zymurgy:, when you say "reverted again a few times", do you mean from the same user? If so, they need to be reporting for edit warring and potentially WP:3RR.

To editor Tuxipedia:, the nul points thing is a weird one. Before the new voting system, yes it would have meant both jury and public vote. But now that both sets are accountable, then both sets of "nul points" need to be noted. Wes Wolf ^Talk 20:50, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Folks - thank you both, as I understand matters because nul points is now virtually impossible (2016 onwards), the nul points section in info box must be for either jury or televote not just both. Otherwise whats the point in having it in the info box. No points from either 41 juries or 41 public votes is notable! Reversions seem to be the same user, 2016 the info is still up, 2017 its currently been changed to none. Zymurgy (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@AxG: Do you think it would be feasible to update the infobox so that it can split nul points for jury, public, and combined votes? To editor Zymurgy: seeing as we are now into the second year of the new system, it might now be worthwhile for the wikiproject to review format and layout styles, to iron out all of these new issues. Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Great ideas. Thanks WesleyZymurgy (talk) 21:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

@Zymurgy: I have reported the user for 3RR (see here). As you have been involved in the incident, it might be worthwhile popping over to the discussion and presenting any evidence you may feel fit, as the admins are likely to check anyone and everyone involved. It just covers your back that's all. Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Wesley Wolf Trolling. NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:08, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Do you like these any of these (Eurovision) songs that I like?

If so, please tell me!

• Hold Me Now
• Nocturne
• Popular
• Euphoria
• Only Teardrops
• I Feel Alive
• This Is Love
• Occidentali's Karma

— AWESOME meeos ！ * ([ˈjæb.ə ət məɪ])) 01:46, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wesley Wolf: Hello? — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([ˈjæb.ə ət məɪ])) 13:06, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

@Awesomemeeos: I've been rather busy and inundated with a plethora of matters both off and on Wiki. I had a weekend away in Whitby, UK, and not long since got back; and also actively studying for CompTIA and Cisco Certified Entry Networking Technician IT coursework - which has taken up a lot of my spare Wikipedia time. And if that wasn't crazy enough, I've been dealing with a long-term harassment and bully matter that I've been a victim of over the last 6 years. So I do apologise for the delay in replying to this. I like all Eurovision songs, as they all have a unique quality about them, so I could not really pick a favourite. But songs like Refrain, Puppet on a String, Making Your Mind Up, Diva, Love Shine a Light, to name but a few that I like the most. Wes Wolf ^Talk 13:14, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Username

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Why did you change your username? ZoriAlexandra08 (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor ZoriAlexandra08: I do not believe we have met on here before. How did you know that I changed my name? Wes Wolf ^Talk 04:18, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I've been wondering the exact same thing myself. I checked here and you currently have no pages in common, asides from this talk page. Perhaps, ZoriAlexandra08 would like to explain themself. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 04:29, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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Need of help

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Hi Wes, can you move Hotel Gothia Towers to Gothia Towers? Thanks, Fort esc (talk) 20:39, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor Fort esc: if you can't move it, then I won't be able to either. It will require an admin to do that. I only have file mover rights which allows me to rename files uploaded directly on Wikipedia (not ones at commons). Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:11, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

• I've managed to find a way around it. Looking at the history, the entire content was based on your edits. So a copy/paste between each other was simple way around. It should be OK now. Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:32, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, i couldn't do the move because the page was already created (a redirect) Fort esc (talk) 21:35, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

To editor Fort esc: it didn't quite work as I hoped it would. So I'm going to ping some help on this. @Kudpung: please would it be possible to perform an admin page move on these article. Thank you! Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:38, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

• I've just discovered there is such a thing as Wikipedia:Page mover rights. Weird that I have file mover and not page mover. Ah well. Wes Wolf ^Talk 21:43, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:38, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Wesley Wolf. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, and move subpages when moving the parent page(s).

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Articles to be moved, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:42, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations. Not surprised at all. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 00:46, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh heck, more icons along the top of my page LOL. Thank you Kudpung. I never knew about page mover rights until today. I always thought it was admins only that could do technical moves. I'm assuming this is a relatively new user right, in-line with file mover? Wes Wolf ^Talk 01:16, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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June 2017

Help with User Page

Hiya Wes, congrats on your page mover rights well deserved! I understand you are very busy but when you are free I was wandering if you could help me out with my user page? I'm wanting to redo the whole thing but to be honest I created the monstrosity I have now years ago and I don't know coding very well. Any help appreciated and this may sound silly what is this message at the top of your talk page? I haven't seen a message like that before very cool. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:23, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

To editor Alucard 16: thank you for the congratulations. As for page ideas, I used Wikipedia:User page design center for ideas and inspirations towards my current creation. Or if you have some rough ideas on what you want, style, colour, content etc, then I don't mind knocking up a few designs. Wes Wolf ^Talk 09:27, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah I didn't know that existed thanks let me have a look around the design center for some ideas. I defiantly will need help with coding though. And I just woke up here in the States and saw the news my thoughts and prayers go out to you, your family & friends and your country. If you need anything from me just let me know. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:41, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

At present I seem to be coming under attack myself from yet another IP. I'm starting to hold a strong dislike to IP's after these long-term drive-by attacks. Wes Wolf ^Talk 09:43, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I saw one of their messages and was going to revert it but you beat me to the punch. I don't blame ya for having a strong dislike towards them at the moment. I added your talk page to my watchlist for the time being. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 09:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I wouldn't mind, but I'm not even religious, so I found their remark calling me "one-sided deceiving Christian" a bit surprising. Half of my family are catholic, half or protestant, and I even have Greek Orthodox and Muslim in my family too. So I cannot exactly be "one-sided Christian". Lol. Wes Wolf ^Talk 09:51, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Heya Wes hope that everything is going well with your studies. I have some ideas for my user page when your free to help I was thinking maybe an aqua/green color combination. I really like the rounded edges and the scrollboxes as well. Just not not sure how to implement it all with the coding lol. ♪♫Alucard 16♫♪ 06:20, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

On coincidences and your omnipresence

Hi there, as a relatively new user, of all users I see your name crop up a lot, upon investigation, I see that you too have Asperger's! I thought something about your writing style gave it away, we also share similarities in that we are both gay, atheist and seemingly share interests, so I thought I'd just drop this in and say hi(Don't see this as flirting, don't see this as flirting) also, I plan on using your user page code so I can write pages detailing my glorious ego, as it appears your userpage code is far superior. I look forward to seeing you again in talk pages, its always nice to see a fellow Aspie. Do you take interest in the subject of Philosophy or History? Factsoverfeelings (talk) 16:44, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your message Factsoverfeelings. I appreciate and find it flattering that you wish to adopt the userpage code, however try to avoid making it an identical copy (including font type, colour, etc) as that may portray the impression on impersonation. As for my interests, unfortunately they are not in philosophy nor history. I see from your main user page that you state you are a member of the guild of copy editors yet you have only just joined Wikipedia. I find that somewhat strange. You need to be careful that you do not make claims to be of specific groups, as checks can be made, and it could cause problems. Wes Wolf ^Talk 17:09, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Ah thanks for the tip, I'll make sure its all clear and signed on the guilds side Factsoverfeelings (talk) 17:13, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

To editor Factsoverfeelings: I noticed that you copied the code anyway without waiting for permission. Not really a logic action to have taken, and as a result you actually caused a few problems to your own talk page, which a bot had to repair. For example, you copied links to templates that do not exist and a protection template when your page is not protected. I would suggest looking at WP:UPDC, look at ideas there, and come up with your own personalised theme. Wes Wolf ^Talk 17:18, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I was not being malicious in intent, good bye. Factsoverfeelings (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

To editor Factsoverfeelings: I know you wasn't acting with malicious intent, and never stated such things. You asked me for permission to copy the user page style, but did not wait for my reply and went and used it anyway. And in doing so you added some coding that is not relevant to you as a user, and was more relevant to myself. My user pages are move protected due to vandalism months ago, and you added coding relating to that on your own page. Had you been a little more patient and waited for my answer, then I would have said "yes" but "change not identical" and to "avoid copying user-specific coding". Wes Wolf ^Talk 17:27, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

• For example, in your copy you included {{pp-move}}, a coding used on my talk page. That code is not relevant to your talk page, whereas it is a specific code highly relevant to my talk page. Had you waited for a reply, I would have informed you about reuse but to omit that template. Other codes which are user-specific where the personalised "Talkheader", "navbar", and "Wikibreak". They created redlinks to non-existent pages. Again, had you waited for my response to your initial request, I would have pointed those out too, so that you knew to avoid making the errors. As I said from the start, yes please adopt my user page style, but avoid making it an identical copy so that it would give off the impression of impersonating. Wes Wolf ^Talk 17:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Article inspection

Hi Wes. I hope all is going well with your studies. Wikipedia's a little quiet when you aren't around. I'd like to remind you that I have a few articles that have been rewritten and need inspection before you cross them off your list. Of course, if you'd rather wait until your studies are done, that's fine. Cheers. — Tuxipεdia^(talk) 06:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)