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Hello, I'm Thomas.W. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Shelby Mustang, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Thomas.W talk to me 07:55, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
15psi doubles displacement, atmosphere is 14.7psi
if you add 15psi to 14.7psi you have twice as much air being displaced in the same amount of space
Piston displacement has nothing to with actual effective displacement
Why do you think europe rate displacement for superchargers as more displacement. because they displace more, a supercharger displaces air and increase the engines displacement
1 + 1 = 2 does NOT need a citiation
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at User talk:Thomas.W. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Thomas.W talk to me 09:45, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
important information only helps the integrity of a page, posting Ford makes the GT500 engine would be untrue and constitute vandalism. my data came from reliable sources i will repeat my information.
Your Edits to the Mustang GT500 section
editI am in agreement with Thomas.W on this matter, especially concerning your edits to the Mustang Shelby GT500 section. Your edits appear to be unnessary and more importantly, incorrect. Your links you added do not properly and logically support what you contributed. Your use of those linked sources are very loose inferrences without any direct and substantial support.
And now you are challenging another article about the GT500 beating another vehicle without proper support that indicates otherwise.
Aside from from this, please try to keep a level and logical head. Your response to Thomas.W indicates that you took some offense to what he said.
Do not take it that way. We are only trying to be constructive here and discuss the contributions in a logical manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.147.252 (talk) 04:49, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Name 1 Scientific Process that allows a supercharger to increas HP WITHOUT increasing DISPLACEMENT
evidence to the contrary of your Vandlalism
You didn't assume good faith, you immediately deleted my data, never provided a reason other than your feelings or blindly ignoring my articles I asked for community input before i used the correct math numbers
You are ONE Person while i have numerous articles to back me up, You Have ZERO!
you are unwilling to accept reality.
Supercharged engines and naturally aspirated engines use the same convention for displacement. That is only the displacement of the engine block.
This is an industry standard accepted world wide. Additional displacement from the supercharger is not added.
This statement has NO Source, It will ALWAYS ONLY APPLY to N/A engines N/A engines use atmosphereXXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:08, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Incorrect, superchargers turn faster than the engines itself many times, that's why GT500 makes 15psi boost from a 2.3L supercharger, an engine with a supercharger has 2 different compression strokes, one by the supercharger, one by the piston, BOTH MUST BE COUNTED, it's called a 2 stage engine, Europe regularly does this, many american journalist only list the pistons mechanical displacement, but a GT500 engines is more than just the block. It has a SUPERCHARGER that DISPLACES AIR
You tried to DELETE MY LINK that directly quote the exact 15PSI Boost GT500 uses, doubles it's displacement, cause it proves my point SPECIFICALLY your feelings on this DO NOT MATTER!
would you like me to add MATH this to the article 5.8L @15psig boost = 5.8L @30psi(absolute) 5.8L @30psia = 11.6L of atmosphere(14.7psia) Atmosphere is 14.7psia@sea level
there is a proper way to edit, first you ask for the correct link if you think the one listed is incorrect There is a talk page if you don't understand how engines work. NA engines have a different way of measuring displacement than supercharged engines
My posts are correct and I have even more links, i have even more coming if you need them. you are free to use google for more information you might need to learn the basics of a supercharged "forced induction" "positive( means increased) displacement" engines
Knowing an engine's correct displacement instead of a lie is more important than spreading false information for a brand
IF you think i am incorrect then use math, not your opinion, i am looking for DATA, not feelings. feelings don't back up statements
Your Sources Do Not Properly Support Your Edits to the Mustang GT500 section
editGive a source that that specifically and directly supports you must add displacement from supercharging. Not a bevy of sources that describe supercharging but DO NOT specifically state you MUST add additional displacement to the engine block displacement.
Increasing boost to approximately 15 psi, the equivalent of two atmospheres(15psia), is sufficient to effectively double an engine's displacement along with a corresponding horsepower increase
Read more: http://www.hotbikeweb.com/tech/0903_hbkp_turbos_nitrous_superchargers/viewall.html#ixzz2eHW2x0l5
Proven with MATH. 5.8L @30psia = 11.6L of atmosphere(14.7psia)
Just Because you Do NOT understand does NOT give you the right to delete my workXXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Pressure does not specify the engine size. Only the cylinder sizes and how far up and down the pistons move.
Superchargers DISPLACE AIR and EFFECT DISPLACEMENT, as my link proved Just Because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND do not DELETE my work< a discussion was OPEN and you chose NOT to PARTICIPATE< you only STUBBORNLY DELETE MY WORK in a specofoc way so it can't be recovered.XXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:01, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Your links do not say the engine size gets bigger if you have more pressure. Your turbocharger link is talking about volume in open air. But when you put that air inside the engine, the engine size is always the same no matter how much pressure is inside the engine.
That makes no sense, engine is the same, amount displaced changes, amount of what, AIR/fuel No but it moves(displaces more air) DO NOT REMOVE INFORMATION BECAUSE YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND IT
Look at it this way: a naturally aspirated engine has a compression ratio of 10 to 1. At BDC, the pressure in the cylinder is 14.7psi. But at TDC, the pressure increases 10 times to 147.0psi. When the engine is at TDC, does that mean the engine grew ten times its size?
That makes no sense^^ let me tell you WHY
1L @ 14.7psi = .1L @147psi = 10L @1.47psi Those are all the exact same displacement
DO NOT REMOVE my articles because you don't understand you have no concept of what you are talking about, and you think it's ok to remove my hard work with this ridiculousness
This is why your effective displacement is improper for this section.
One Scientific Process That Allows A Supercharger To Increase Hp. Without Increasing Displacement
editThat process is very simply called compression. It is in one of your source links, the one about turbochargers. They talk about how you squeeze air and make it fit into a small space like a car cylinder.
a Piston "squeeze air" as you call it, A SUPERCHARGER "squeeze air", BOTH MUST BE COUNTED. A PIston & Supercharger are BOTH a compressorXXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
It is impossible for 5.8L of air being displaced at 6,000rpm or 50 times a second to make over 600hp. gasoline burning doesn't create enough energy, but 11.6L does
The reason why this make more Hp is because you have more oxygen you can mix with gasoline to make a bigger bang, which means more power. You have described more displacement
MORE AIR MEANS MORE DISPLACEMENT, AS PER HOW SUPERCHARGERS WORK Just Because YOU Do not understand DO NOT DELETE my workXXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Superchargers do not make an engine block bigger. They only squeeze more air into it.
Superchargers ARE PART of the engine, they make it bigger because they TAKE UP SPACE Just because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND DO NOT DELETE MY WORKXXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
I know what you are going to say next and you are wrong. You are going to say using more air means you displace more air. That is correct that you displace more air by pushing it into the engine, but the engine block size is not changed even more air is used.
Engine displacement is never the amount of air moved.
Yes it is, AIR MOVED IS DISPLACED or it isn't moved and power isn't made... did you know sperchargers displace air and are RATED for it. Just Because yo DO NOT understand DO NOT delete my WORKXXXVaporXXX (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Your recent edits
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No, thank you. I'm a noob but i'll catch on fast XXXVaporXXX (talk) 10:23, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
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Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
editHello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. The thread is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:XXXVaporXXX reported by User:Thomas.W (Result: ). Thank you. Thomas.W talk to me 06:58, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello XXXVaporXXX
editA simple word of friendly advice. When you use all CAPS it usually means you are shouting at another editor. Now....that may be the case, but it doesn't help the collaborative process. Buster Seven Talk 12:49, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
- true but when i skim over it's easier for me to tell what parts i wrote and if anything has been added plus it's annoying making the same point over and over, i tried to summarize everything in my first post about what i was adding
XXXVaporXXX (talk) 09:44, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
- Another (and the most common) way would be to indent from the previous comment (like I added to your 09:44 edit) and look for your signature. ```Buster Seven Talk 23:59, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Caps
edit- Hi again. I'm not usually what they call a "talk page stalker," but I haven't removed your page from my watchlist yet. I'm actually a writer, (among other things), so perhaps I can offer some assistance in understanding why people seem to get upset at the "all-caps" thing. Please understand that I'm not trying to yell at you or lecture you; just trying to explain why, without over-explaining.
- When you write it's like speaking. Unfortunately, I can't see or hear you speak, so all I have is your tone and punctuation to determine whether you're happy, angry or sad. Mostly, your tone lets me know, but punctuation like exclamation points or all-caps also plays a huge part.
- When you speak, the words you choose indicate your emotion, just like the tone of your voice does. You do this without even thinking about it, and this lets me know what words you want to emphasize. So, what I'm saying is that it is really unnecessary to use all-caps to emphasize words, because your tone already does that.
- However, sometimes when speaking people do say certian words or phrases slightly louder, just to give a boost of extra emphasis. If you want to do this in writing try using itallics. To anybody who is reading what you write on Wikipedia (and many people will) itallics will sound like you've only slightly raised your voice in a friendly way. If you really --and I mean really-- want to give a lot of emphasis, then simply surround the words with dashes, like I just did in this sentence. I don't want to bombard you with policy or guideline links, but if you feel like reading some more about punctuation like all-caps, dashes or parentheses, go to a friends page @User:Zaereth/Writing tips for the non-writer which gives some brief explanations.
- I hope that helps explain some more about using Caps. ```Buster Seven Talk 19:53, 13 September 2013 (UTC)