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Copy of U16 European Championship Men 2004 Division C

Can you give me a copy of this deleted article, please. --Wicked Cuyos

 Done –xeno (talk) 12:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

.... Yet again. StaticGull  Talk  14:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, no problem, you'd do the same for me =) –xeno (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Standard notices

Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Non-administrators adding blocking templates

Please review the above thread. Non-administrators should not be adding block templates, administrators will do so when appropriate. Also, this represents a personal attack. I see you have a history of being disruptive in this arena. There's no need to be taunting the users after you've had them blocked. –xeno (talk) 12:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Please review the above thread. Non-administrators should not be adding block templates

That thread doesn't even rise to the level of guideline, let alone rule, so waving it about is just silly. It's a plain ordinary tagging task, and no reason not to be done -- ESPECIALLY when it also removes spam. Should I be pointing you to the actual RULES regarding spamming, then?

As for your farcical claim of "taunting", the less said about your projection regarding the standard addition of a standard notification template, the better.

If you have an actual complaint about actual violations of actual rules (or guidelines), please let me know then. Otherwise, don't make up rules to enforce. --Calton | Talk 12:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

If you had bothered to read the talk page of that user who's talk page you are tagging, you would see that I was in discussion with him both over the worthiness of the article and his username. Thus, your actions are unhelpful. Please stop. –xeno (talk) 12:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

• I've also noticed you have a tendency to summarily blank or otherwise edit other user's pages. This should stop as well. People are free to use their userpages as a sandbox, and you should not be interfering with this. As for your edit summary suggesting I read WP:NPA, saying "don't be daft" in an edit summary is indeed a personal attack. –xeno (talk) 12:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

If you had bothered to read the talk page of that user who's talk page you are tagging, you would see that I was in discussion with him both over the worthiness of the article and his username.

Huh, you seem quick to resorts to insults (like your obnoxious edit summary on my talk page and your wholly false "If you had bothered to read..." crack) while making (false) claims about "taunting". Not very bragworthy, I think.

Of COURSE I read the talk page -- exactly how did you think it possible to avoid doing so when editing it? -- and it makes not the slightest bit of difference: HE'S INDEFBLOCKED. If you don't like that, you ought to take it up with the blocking admin or, if you're really sincere, unblock him yourself. But you can't, can you, what with it being a prohibited meta:Role account and all? Perhaps a refresher on the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam, the guidelines on user pages, and, especially, the FAQ for businesses is in order. Oh, and for your cracks, I'll throw in WP:NPA, to boot: you're not exempt.

Thus, your actions are unhelpful. Please stop.

As you are someone who is removing standard notification templates without real cause, citing non-existent rules/guidelines, encouraging the edits of a meta:Role account, and restoring its spam, I'd say it's not me who's being unhelpful here. --Calton | Talk 13:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I am prepared to unblock as soon as they choose another username. It's under control. Cheers, –xeno (talk) 13:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I've also noticed you have a tendency to summarily blank or otherwise edit other user's pages. This should stop as well. People are free to use their userpages as a sandbox, and you should not be interfering with this.

Nope. Once again, you need a refresher on the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam, the FAQ for businesses, and, especially, the guidelines on user pages. Hint 1: the prefix "User:" doesn't sprinkle magic pixie dust over spam and other unsuitable content. Hint 2: the {{uw-socialnetwork}} and {{uw-webhost}} templates exist for a reason. Hint 3: encouraging spam on Wikipedia is disruptive, and you should not be interfering with its removal.

As for your edit summary suggesting I read WP:NPA, saying "don't be daft" in an edit summary is indeed a personal attack Uh huh. And your TWO bits of snark are what, exactly? I'd say you do need a read of WP:NPA -- or have you granted yourself an exemption? --Calton | Talk 13:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The blanking I was talking about was some months ago, so perhaps you've stopped doing that (specifically, you were blanking users who had added example images to their user pages). I don't see anything in my comments that approaches the level of personal attack the way saying someone is being "daft" would. In any case, I am in discussion with the user - which may indeed end in the conclusion that the potential article is not worth of inclusion and should be deleted - in which I will do the needful. Until then, please let me work with the user in question. There's no need to be uninviting to people who don't understand our policies. –xeno (talk) 13:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything in my comments that approaches the level of personal attack the way saying someone is being "daft" would. You had not the slightest compunction in suggesting that I was ignorant despite the obvious implausibility of such a claim. Which points to an obvious problem of awareness and proportion, it seems to me. And, of course, I didn't call you "daft" -- I asked that you not to be so.

I'll also note you haven't bothered to refute a single actual citation of the actual rules I'm going by, in favor of some vague recollection of months-old clean-up work -- which doesn't even match your claims about it, to boot. If you're going to play authority figure, you need to be on at least semi-firm ground.

And as for your saying the editor will be unblocked when he chooses a new name, that's just great -- but wait, that old name? Oh yeah, IT'LL BE INDEF-BLOCKED, STILL. So, what, exactly is your rationale for not tagging it, again? --Calton | Talk 13:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:CHU. What I'm trying to explain here (and clearly doing a poor job at it) is that if someone is working with a user to explain to them relevant Wikipedia guidelines and practice and bring them in line with them, someone coming in and unnecessarily tagging their pages during the discussion is unhelpful (and frustrating to the user trying to do the explaining). I'd appreciate it if you kept that in mind for the future. I'm sorry that we got off on the wrong foot, and perhaps my approach could have been more tactful. –xeno (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

"Relevant Wikipedia guidelines and practice" includes not allowing spam -- and certainly not editwarring to restore spam -- nor does it mean ignoring actual cited relevant Wikipedia guidelines and practice, making up new ones, and insulting other editors's good-faith efforts to clean up Wikipedia. So yeah, I'd say tact is not involved here at all. --Calton | Talk 13:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's out-and-out spam and this user had the respect to ask us if the article was worthwhile of inclusion, the least we could do is have the respect to discuss with him whether it is, or why it is not, rather than just templating him. All I'm asking is that you use some common sense in deciding when a template is appropriate and when it might be better to personally discuss the issue with a user. Best regards, –xeno (talk) 13:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

All I'm asking is that you use some common sense in deciding when a template is appropriate and when it might be better to personally discuss the issue with a user.

I did. It was appropriate -- your projections regarding "taunting" notwithstanding. Shall I repost -- again -- the policy-page links, especially the FAQ for businesses, the COI guidelines, and policies regrading spam? All I'm asking is that YOU use some common sense...and if you find that suggestion insulting, perhaps you shouldn't have used that phrasing yourself in your "advice" to me. --Calton | Talk 23:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I was attempting an appeal to your rule #3 above. I'll make this perfectly clear: do not template a user in which I, or another admin, is conducting a discussion with. Full stop. –xeno (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• Continued at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive462#User:Calton.

Best laugh of the day

Seriously, how awesome is this? Enigma ^message 00:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Another goodie. See his note at the top of the page. Enigma ^message 00:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

that SSP is hilarious. –xeno (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

No oppose for leaving the acceptance line in? :o Enigma ^message 17:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• actually in looked back and I've never opposed for that, only neutral (see also User:Xenocidic/RFA#Standards) plus he fixed it before I got there, so... =) –xeno (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• That RfA linked to another RfA where the following Oppose was left:

• Oppose there's waaaaaaaaaay better canidates than this guy. --My Name Is Not Earl 04:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
• Enigma ^message 19:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

a shiny

		The Template Barnstar
		Awarded for creating the Admin dashboard. Enough said. J.delanoygabsadds 04:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

shiny, indeed! thank you kindly =) are you transcluding it yet? if you transclude it, it will run admin stats for you. –xeno (talk) 20:32, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. You deserve far more than that, but you're already an admin, so I can't nominate you... Anyways, I've transcluded it now, I meant to, but I forgot. Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers! J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:45, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Whoa! This is very cool; I like this a lot. Useful! (And here I am, doing my early morning talk-page stalking again. So it goes.)  :) Antandrus (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

hehe, glad you like it =) –xeno (talk) 14:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

When I Usurped i tried to unify my account to all wikipedia projects and I was able to except for

• es.wikipedia.org
• nl.wikipedia.org

---HereFord 16:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thankyou HereFord 16:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Please dont laugh at me :) but is there like a Nederlands And Spanish wikipedia embassy, or some thing like that? HereFord 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Re: moar template help

(Re [1])

Done. I added in a bunch of <!-- Comments --> to take them out. As far as Mediawiki is concerned, they're now all on one line. Because of that, you may need to add in some <br> tags to make it display properly when those statements are true, but hopefully not. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, didn't quite work... It calls another template User:Xenocidic/sandbox which is the code for the row... Might not be able to do what I'm trying to do. –xeno (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

I think I've gotten it fixed - I moved the |} to the next line, and it seems to have worked. See my test. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

still doesn't seem to work when you have more than 1 lang added ... frustrating me =) –xeno (talk) 21:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• don't beat yourself up over it =) good luck though! –xeno (talk) 03:28, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not, really - since I'm studying Computer Science, debugging like this is likely to be what I'm doing the rest of my life. It's good practice. Care for some hat, by the way? I didn't finish it, hats don't taste too good. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

• heh, no, you enjoy the hat =) and feel free to tool around in my sandboxes for as long as you please. i don't need them for a while. if you get it sorted, we'll move it into the templatespace so that your work will be properly attributed =) (oh and there may even be a barnstar involved! ;>) –xeno (talk) 03:35, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

• it's been buggin me for 2 weeks =) welcome to the suck ;> –xeno (talk) 04:01, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

• YAAAAYYYY!!!!! It's finally fixed. I had to next each of the #if:s inside each other to get it to work, so you now have a huge line of 48 curly brackets at the bottom of the code which MUST NOT BE TOUCHED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. If they are touched, you'll probably make it look like a really bad batch of bread pudding. But, I did test it, and it should work now. At last. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

haha yes! i actually tried that once before, but I guess I miscounted and futzed it up towards the end. sorry, I probably should've suggested that! but , wicked ! =) –xeno (talk) 04:17, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

(Re [2])

As always, glad to be of service. Just in the future... don't get too ambitious with the templates, eh? ;-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

=) Oh, I'm sure i'll have another stumper for you sooner or later ;> –xeno (talk) 04:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

thanks

thanks a lot for your help with my first effort!!!!! Travelingirl52 (talk) 18:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

• No problem. =) –xeno (talk) 18:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Signature

Is it just me, or is it very hard to read the 'cidic' on the default skin?  Asenine  22:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Seems it might not have been your sig, saw it on an RfA and presumed it was, but I just noticed you are signing as 'Xeno'. Sorry for the inconvienience.  Asenine  22:52, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The cidic is intentionally opaque because of an unfortunate interpretation of my name when translated literally. I now sign as "xeno" - but for clarity, I leave my whole name when asking RFA questions. cheers, –xeno (talk) 23:40, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Havesmite

Thanks for the edit summary. Still a bit confused. What is the reasoning for leaving the parent account unblocked? User:Havesmite? Dbiel ^(Talk)

As far as I can see, he's sanctioned to the 72 hour block and not to use any more socks. You'll have to follow the breadcrumbs I guess =) –xeno (talk) 02:51, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry I do not follow you. The 72 hour block expired in early June. The latest sock vandalism was today. So that means he is free to make more sock accounts by using the original parent account? Dbiel ^(Talk) 02:57, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

OH!.....lemme look into it a little further, it's been a long day. –xeno (talk) 02:59, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

• Blocked =) cheers, thanks for clarifying. –xeno (talk) 03:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the follow through. I guess I am slowly learning a few things. Dbiel ^(Talk) 03:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

If I were to hazard a guess, this person probably donated his account to Grawp, or is maybe just a poor imitator. –xeno (talk) 03:10, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:VPTIPlogo.jpg)

Thanks for uploading Image:VPTIPlogo.jpg. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, it is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. BJBot (talk) 05:30, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Ze image has been terminated. –xeno (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Help for information source

Hello! Can you help me on this issue? How can I make this page as a source? Best regards, Sdrtirs (talk) 23:26, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

My dashboard

Hi, SQLBot won't generate my admin stats on User:J.delanoy/dashboard. What am I doing wrong? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 03:02, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Not sure, it should happen automagically. Try asking SQL (talk · contribs) –xeno (talk) 03:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

heh

Priceless. "If you're going to troll at least have the decency to put it in the correct place" :-) J.delanoy^gabs_adds 06:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

heh... seriously... like, Above my headers? I may be an idiot, but there's no need for that tomfoolery =) –xeno (talk) 06:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean. The one I really like is when they replace your userpage with "get a life". Just once, I want to reply and say, "You of all people ought to be talking. How the hell can you live with yourself if you have so much time on your hands that you can just sit around and vandalize Wikipedia? And you're telling me to get a life????!!!" J.delanoy^gabs_adds 06:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

True, but WP:DENY, WP:RBI, m:DFTT all advise against it =) –xeno (talk) 06:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

That's why I haven't. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to.... BTW, can you look at User talk:Siwel Ziva? Do you think I did the right thing? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 07:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yea, looks good to me. Brand new user right out of the gate G1 tagging non-nonsense? Disruption at best. –xeno (talk) 07:14, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Changing username?

Hi, you welcomed me a couple of weeks back, and you said if I needed help I could ask you. Well, when I created my account I didn't realize you could put spaces in your name. I am wondering if it's possible to be renamed, and how to go about it. I created a new signature to match the username I'd like. Thanks for help. how do you turn this on 13:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I know that a WP:BUR can rename your account. Under what circumstances I'm not entirely sure at this stage but that may be an avenue you could search. Lympathy ^Talk 14:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

You can request a change of username at WP:CHU. –xeno (talk) 14:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks both, I made a request. how do you turn this on 14:38, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which did not succeed with 30 in support, 28 in opposition and 6 neutral votes. Thanks again for the support!

No problem... Just FYI you've linked your older RFA... –xeno (talk) 15:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah dear. That's gonna be annoying to change. Thanks for the heads up :) —CycloneNimrod^Talk? 15:31, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

My Editor Review

Hi Xeno, As you are a very experienced editor, could you please review me at my editor review? The link is at my userpage. Thanks, HeLLboy2HeLL (talk) 04:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty bad at those things, but I'll try to take a look in the next few days. –xeno (talk) 04:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

• Done. –xeno (talk) 18:42, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

why not detective conan?

Maybe you should go to the article case closed there's a big discussion about if the article should be called detective conan or case closed you don't have to do it just my opinion--Spittlespat (talk) 17:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Commented there. –xeno (talk) 18:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

WT:RFA

[3] If nobody picks up on the Resident Evil reference here, I'll go crazy. Tell me you got that one? :-) --KojiDude ^(C) 14:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Apologies mate, not a huge RE fan =) It's not that I don't like it - just never played it, really. –xeno (talk) 18:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

:-O ...It seems I'm alone in this, cold, wiki-world...--KojiDude ^(C) 22:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion request.

Hi, I was wondering if you could delete a redirection page -- Kevin perria, it was nominated last month and it is really a horrible redirection page. Thanks. --eric (mailbox) 21:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, I'm a little disinclined to do this. Redirects are cheap and if one user misspelled it thusly, then it stands to reason it could happen again. Basically, it does no harm. I mean, if it was something like I bet this guy bones Olivia → Kevin Pereira then I could understand... –xeno (talk) 21:30, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Also replied here.

Oh, ok. That's fine then. Thank you :-D --eric (mailbox) 23:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Status (ply)

(Re [4]) Hey zeno, on the top of my browser were my account and talk and preferences show i get the online,bust,around and offline indicators but on my page it says unknown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Plyhmrp (talk • contribs) 21:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I got it now. Thanks man, I owe you one. --Plyhmrp (talk) 22:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Plyhmrp

No problem. –xeno (talk) 22:43, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

(Re [5]) I can still do it manually through going to the status I want and writing online,offline, around or busy. --Plyhmrp (talk) 22:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Plyhmrp

My reply here.

I use IE 7. I'll be around for a few more minutes then i got to go. I will proably look at any other messages around 8:00 AM Eastern time. Plyhmrp (talk)Plyhmrp —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:11, August 3, 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Stoofy t

I've left my comments on her talk page. I don't recommend an unblock, but I won't stop you if you feel it's appropriate. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 22:55, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here & here.

As I said, go ahead if you're willing. I've just got a gut feeling that something's not adding up. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 22:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

While you're here, do me a favor and set me to "offline" please? User:Hersfold/Status. I forgot last night, and it's full protected because I'm paranoid. Thanks. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Difference of opinion?

I suspect we have different feelings about User talk:Snooky1's ability to contribute. I blocked indef as a vandal only account, while you were adding a warning template. I'm open to suggestions of an alternate approach. Kevin (talk) 02:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

lol, nah. i was just adding welcome-vandal because it was unclear whether they had vandalized since the final warning. VOA seems appropriate to me. just tomfoolery outta there. –xeno (talk) 02:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Tom's Hardware

(Re [6]) Hi Xeno - thanks for the clarification and the update in regards to the notice I received initially. Also, if you are interested, there's now a mediation page for Tom's, which I requested. You can see the discussion here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2008-08-02_Tom%27s_Hardware#Discussion (if you are interested).

/ Tuan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bom tuannguyen (talk • contribs) 08:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Stalker

Jeez you are watching arnt ye :P   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, not watching you, but I was watching that category =) (since I was the last person to tweakify it). Good addition, but just slightly on the bitey side. –xeno (talk) 16:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I must admit I was a bit pissed when I had to go through 45 pages on top off notifications and edits to fix that category up   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

No doubt. When I did it, it was more like 150... and brought it down to below 50 I think. (Check the cat talk page). –xeno (talk) 16:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I think adopt a user needs a face lift, alot of it is just text blocks, neverloan the somewhat unplesant color theme   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:BB. My last change to AAU was to encourage people to seek an adopter directly rather than use the dated adoptme - we simply don't have enough people going through C:ADOPT on a regular basis. –xeno (talk) 16:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

You've got to check this joker out, I'd user a more neutral term, but it cant be described any other way Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#Mr._IP   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I've weighed in there in a number of places =) –xeno (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

← User:Prom3th3an/Mediation << check it out, Im using a different mantif to my adoption center but its still just as good.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. I must admit, mediating content disputes can be a messy job. Kudos for trying to take that on. –xeno (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Stalking

dont make me trout slap you (jk) :P   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 14:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Just doin my thang =) –xeno (talk) 14:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

see my reply here :P   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 14:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

thankspam

Thanks to everyone who participated in my RfA, regardless of their !vote. I have withdrawn the nomination as a failure at 19 supports, 45 opposes, and 9 neutral statements.

As has been written and sung, you can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need — and what I need is to go back to working on our shared project. Not everyone has to be an admin; there is a role for each of us. After reflection, I feel I don't have the temperament to secure community consensus as an admin at any point, and I will not be applying again in the future — and hey, that's all right, 'cause I stay true to the philosophy that adminship is no big deal: I tried, I failed, and now I'll return to doing what I've always done. I have an extremely strong belief in the consensus process, and the consensus was clear. I will be devoting my energies to volunteering at MedCab and working up a complete series of articles on the short stories of Ernest Hemingway, among lord knows what else. Thanks again to everyone who spared the time to weigh in on this one. It was made in better faith than it probably seemed.
Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 14:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Appreciate your participation at my RfA. In the end, things didn't work out, but I probably should have expected that. There's so many other ways to serve the project, and that's what I'll be doing. Glad you liked my answer to Q4...always a puzzler, that one. Cheers! Mr. IP 《Defender of Open Editing》 14:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

eh, happy editing all the same. –xeno (talk) 22:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Potentially controversial query

I encountered this situation while scanning recent changes: Is 'god' capitalized in articles as a whole? The article in question was not pertaining to god. Not sure if that has any relevance. Are there any guidelines pertaining to this? Seems like a potential revert war situation. Washburnmav (talk) 15:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm unsure about guidelines regarding this but I would think that 'God' is capitalized due to it being a proper noun regarding a single name entity when used in that context. Lympathy ^Talk 16:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, Lympathy is probably right here... Any particular article in question or...? –xeno (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the article and edit in question. It was done by a ip user, and later reverted by a user. Although I am religious, I'm not one to care enough to engage someone about this. However, I can forsee this being a problem I would encounter in the future. How would you proceed?Washburnmav (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not religious but I think that in this instance respect for a deity should be considered and I undid the edit accordingly Lympathy ^Talk 17:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm in this particular case I think that "god simulator" is more appropriate. See, for example, the hat note at the top of God. The "god" (male deity) is lower-cased. The article isn't talking about a specific "God" but that the player is acting as a god. Make sense? I could be totally wrong, mind you =) –xeno (talk) 17:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Xeno makes a valid point and "god simulator" seems more accurate but when respect to a singular god, I still feel it should be articulated as "God". The discussion should probably be opened up to a wider audience. Lympathy ^Talk 17:11, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Barnawartha2.jpg

Hi! Would you mind taking a look to this image? It doesn't have a copyright tag but it says "Exact licensing still being cleared up; owner has nonetheless agreed to release the images sufficiently freely for Wikipedia's purposes". This image is still like this for almost 2 months. Thank you for your time! Best regards, Sdrtirs (talk) 17:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Leave a message for the uploader if you haven't already, if he doesn't respond in a reasonable time frame, tag with {{Di-no license}} and give him notification of that. –xeno (talk) 17:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

blocking promotional usernames

When you block someone with {{spamusername}}, are you supposed to enable autoblock and disable account creation? J.delanoy^gabs_adds 18:03, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It's up to your discretion, it depends on if they were being disruptive or not. If not, you can just softblock and encourage them to create a non-promotional account name. –xeno (talk) 18:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for rollback

Hi, Xeno.

I'm back after a month or so of editing. (It's only right to ask the admin who declined me before.)
I now have over 500 edits, though some of that is to the user space. I feel much more comfortable getting around and know WP policy a lot better. I have gained experience using Twinkle and the undo button. Though I don't fight vandalism full-time, I patrol for it almost every time I'm on Wikipedia. I've now dabbled in many areas of Wikipedia that I can help out in.
With your permission, I would now like to start using Huggle. I understand that rollback is only for blatantly nonproductive edits, like obscenities and gibberish, and should not be used if there is any doubt about whether I should use it. If I do receive rollback, I'll go through WP:New admin school/Rollback before using it for real.

(Full disclosure: I do know of one edit I made about a month and a half back that I realize I shouldn't have used Twinkle for, and I apologize for that. Don't worry--the bout of spiraling, guilt-ridden depression ;-) I suffered after realizing that I had stained my soul with a single improper Twinkling has more than taught me not to do that again. I have, per Wikipedia procedure, ironed my hands.)

Thank you for your time—I know you're busy. SunDragon34 (talk) 18:25, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done, my reply here.

captain elmo

This guy messaged me saying that he need help with his userpage and it's obvious he has been copying from my userpage so it's okay if I delete some of the things he copyied from me? Also thanks for helping me with my userpage, anyway how do i adopt captain elmo?--Spittlespat (talk) 20:17, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

It's probably best if you just ask him to change things that are too close to yours rather than taking things out without asking him. As far as adoption, I don't really think you meet the adopter criteria yet. Give it a few more months. –xeno (talk) 22:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

award

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		A big thanks for helping me with my userpage! You rock!

--Spittlespat (talk) 20:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! =) –xeno (talk) 22:33, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks!

Thank you... ...for participating in my RfA, which closed with 119 in support, 4 neutral and 5 opposes. I'm honestly overwhelmed at the level of support that I've received from the community, and will do my best to maintain the trust placed in me. I 'm also thankful to those who opposed or expressed a neutral position, for providing clear rationales and superb feedback for me to build on. I've set up a space for you to provide any further feedback or thoughts, should you feel inclined to. However you voted, thanks for taking the time out to contribute to the process, it's much appreciated. Kind regards, Gazimoff 21:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Confirmation

Is this (what he said re strikethrough) correct? Washburnmav (talk) 21:46, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I'm Back

He Xeno I just want ed to let you know I was gone for two weeks at Manasquan, NJ. Just wanted to let you know I m back. It's been pretty quiet without me huh.--Ezekiel 7:19 ^†alk 14:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I wouldn't say that... Seeing as how my July 2008 archive broke all my size records ... nevertheless - welcome back! =) –xeno (talk) 14:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh

Good detective work =) –xeno (talk) 22:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

That's the joy of Google - I thought it was a made up scenario until you commented it was real....30 seconds of searching and page history later I had the link - Peripitus (Talk) 02:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Ahem. Washburnmav (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, yea, you've been outed wash. the jig is up ;p –xeno (talk) 11:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Damn, my excellent reputation soiled. Might as well throw away that rfa essay I was writing.... Washburnmav (talk) 16:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Award

		The Barnstar of Good Humor
		That block you left on Shapiros's talkpage was fucking halarious(forgive my profanity). DOWN WITH VADAR. DAMN VADER!!! Gears of War 2 15:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, glad you liked it. –xeno (talk) 15:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Just keep me laughing. Gears of War 2 15:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Lol. Shapiros10 ^{contact me}_{My work} 15:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It was the funniest block message I have ever seen.:)--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 20:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Username

(Re [7]) You mentioned an issue with my username. That issue was settled some time ago. Please check the history. I have had it for years. Thanks, though. Adminster (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Continues here.

Requesting assistance

There is a BLP problem with Warren Kinsella and thought I’d ask a few opinions. Warren Kinsella himself appears to have objected to the article (see evidence here) and seems to have written an explanation of his objections on my talk page. There is also a small related discussion at Talk:Warren Kinsella. I’d like to simply remove all material that has been objected to, as I strongly suspect the article over-represents criticism of Kinsella, but I’m not the best person to ask so I think a few other non-involved opinions are needed. I've protected the page due to an edit war that was occurring over this issue. If you'd like to look into this, hopefully a formal approach won't be needed. Okiefromokla ^questions? 19:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I must apologize, BLP is far from my area of expertise. –xeno (talk) 21:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I am the same. I've never worked on biography articles of this nature. Perhaps I'll have to take it to the BLP noticeboard after all. Okiefromokla ^questions? 00:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Permissions

(Re [8]) Thanks, I noticed the comment on the watchlist. I'll use {{done}} next time; apologies, I'm used to using {{already done}} quite a lot so it's a habit I must break! :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 20:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Help

(Re [9]) I copy & pasted what you suggested into my monobook.js, but it did'nt work. See my tests on my IP's talk page. Any chance you could fix it in my monobook? All your help is much appreciated! Thanks John Sloan (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

It did'nt work. In fact, it unistalled twinkle! But I have an idea, if you deleted my monobook I could reinstall twinkle with your revision (which I have now copy & pasted into a wordpad). John Sloan (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Nope, still doesn't work :-( We tried though! Thanks for the help old friend, but I think i'll just let it leave shared IP notices in future! Any chance you could delete my IP talk page? - Again, thanks! John Sloan (talk) 20:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Yes I am, but I think the problem runs deeper now, as I have just restored the monobook to how it was and twinkle still hasn't re-installed. John Sloan (talk) 21:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Actually, it was just delayed. Twinkle has returned! I was scared for a while there John Sloan (talk) 21:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I still have it saved in a wordpad document. I'll give it one last try! John Sloan (talk) 21:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Although the twinkle did'nt uninstall, it still added the shared IP notice! But we tried and it could still have a delay. I'll see how it goes. Again thanks for the help and feel free to re-delete the IP talk page :-) John Sloan (talk) 21:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Join My Cabal!

Hello, I have just a started a cabal. I inviting you to join the cabal and please, visit the page, join if you like, and invite more people(also I have a bunch of bootleg German tickets that come with every thing I do! I love bootleg tickets!(dont tell 5-0). Gears of War 2 21:15, 5 August 2008 (UTC) Gears of War 2 21:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here (in the edit summary: don't really fancy joining but i'll copyedit this sentence for you).

Favor?

Could you take a look at this 3RR report I filed? I'm an involved editor at this point. Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 22:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering, that 4th diff seems to just take off a tag for a resolved issue. Would it still count as a "revert" ? –xeno (talk) 22:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not resolved. See discussion Toddst1 (talk) 23:08, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Actioned.

WikiProject message delivery

Xeno, I am trying to revitalize WikiProject New Jersey and was wondering if xenobot could do a user page message delivery for me? I have the message already set at WP:WikiProject New Jersey/Bulletin and there is a memebr list at WP:WikiProject New Jersey/Members. If this can be done, I'd appreciate not having to manually deliver 60 messages. I believe it should be substed because hopefully that page will get changed more often in the future. Thanks. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me | Review me} 22:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. Can you perhaps add some small text that gives them an opt-out option? (Like a section or subpage of the members list) –xeno (talk) 22:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure can. Great point. I may need to move the message since I just discovered that it transcludes into the bottom of the WP banner! Nice to get eyes on it, but not what I expected to see. I'll have to add a sign-up page the future if a regular newsletter starts happening. Is it better to maintain an opt-in or opt-out list? Easy enough to just create a seperate newsletter signup list for the future instead of having people opt-out for this one-time message. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me | Review me} 22:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's easier for the bot owner to have an opt-in list obviously. How about this, take the members list, make it into a newsletter delivery list, and then people can opt-out by removing their names? If you want to opt out of future bulletins and/or newsletter, remove your name from (this list) Something like that? You can take the opt-in list from User:Xenocidic/sandbox –xeno (talk) 23:01, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

(Re [10])

OK, ready to go. WP:WikiProject New Jersey/Newsletter and WP:WikiProject New Jersey/Newsletter/Signup. Whenever you can get to it will be fine. Thanks. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me | Review me} 23:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thanks for everything. If we get people to put together a newsletter, or if I do it myself, this will be the place to come for help. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me | Review me} 01:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Adoptees?

Hi there Xenocidic. I was wondering, do you know any users looking in for adoption? I'm currently looking for one adoptee, but the adoptees looking for adoption at the adoption page show quite a lot of inactive editors. Since you do adopt, I was wondering if you knew any users who would like to be adopted. Thanks, RyRy Public (talk) 23:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

None right now Ryry. If you come across someone in C:ADOPT who hasn't edited in say 2 months, you should remove the adoptme userbox and just leave them a note letting them know they'll need to put it up again if they become re-active. –xeno (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, okay, thanks anyway. I'll be sure to look over C:ADOPT sometimes looking for inactive users. Best, RyRy Public (talk) 00:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

xenobot question

Hi there. Quick question. Is xenobot only approved for news delivery? I usually use Shep but he's offline due to health issues. I'm asking for a stub-sorting purpose. If not, can you recommend someone? Just not TinuCherian since his bot just did something for me and I don't want to seem greedy. Thanks! TravellingCari 01:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Xenobot's not approved for stub sorting, sorry... –xeno (talk) 02:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

That's OK, just figured I'd ask since I read above you had a bot. PS: Send some cool air down please? It was ~body temperature today, I think we hit 97.9 TravellingCari 02:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, all we have here is rain and humidity. can't help ya =) unless you wanna get wet. –xeno (talk) 11:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't mind wet, it cools it down. :) TravellingCari 12:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Dashboard and RfA note

(Re [11]) Thanks Xeno. Must say I do like the dashboard. Saw it another editor's userpage and was most impressed. That PAGESINCAT function is very useful. Happy Editing - Peripitus (Talk) 04:23, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Target - bot error

Hello Xeno. No one appears to have yet pointed out to you this edit by your bot. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 12:29, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Very strange. Thank you, I'll take a look into that. Coulda sworn I filtered the list to User talk space. Maybe it followed a redirect. –xeno (talk) 12:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

<confused face> can't figure it out. I'll keep an eye on it for the next time. cheers, –xeno (talk) 12:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Bored query

Would it be possible to get my userbox re vandalism on my talk page to be on the right under the archives box? Just for aesthetics. Washburnmav (talk) 13:39, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Yep. Just put it into a table is the easiest way.  Done. –xeno (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Cheers for catching that earlier. Regards, WilliamH (talk) 13:44, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. –xeno (talk) 13:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Radio Wikipedia Contributer?

Hi, I was just wondering whether you are still going to work on Radio Wikipedia? StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 11:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure, my last segment still hasn't even aired in an episode yet, so... It's still relevant, the RFC is still ongoing. –xeno (talk) 11:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Great! Do you want to do an ep tomorrow? StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 12:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just don't have the time to do full episodes. Will be happy to continue contributing segments. –xeno (talk) 12:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, just send them to me. I'm actually glad Red Thunder and Shap whatever are gone! We had better episodes without them changing everything. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 10:08, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

GA and FA Taskforce

Okay, we got a bit of feedback at WT:VG and a couple of thumbs down, she we be bold and go ahead and make the taskforce. Gears of War 2 13:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but this isn't something that I really have time to get involved in. But I would suggest you revive Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Workshop rather than re-inventing the wheel. –xeno (talk) 13:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The World Cafe

Do you think that qualifies for CSD per {{db-ad}}? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prom3th3an (talk • contribs) 11:04, August 6, 2008 (UTC)

It's been around for a long while, so it would probably be declined. I wouldn't say it's blatant. –xeno (talk) 15:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you think it would be a candidate for deletion?   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 15:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

A complete lack of secondary source material might make it a good candidate, yes. –xeno (talk) 15:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

CSCWEM

(Re [12]) Start here and work you way forward. It's how I'm doing it (I didn't know he was de-sysopped). This is troubling, since I would estimate he has over 100 semiprotections just sitting around (lots for libel), no expiry date set or anything. I'm just doing it manually, but you could audit his protection log (which is very long). -Royalguard11(T) 19:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I ended up on AN/I the last time I did a mass unprotection. If you want to go to AN and ask about it I think that would be fine, but I prefer to stay away from AN. This does explain why there are so many indefinitely semiprotected articles though. -Royalguard11(T) 20:00, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thank You

(Re [13]) WorshipGuy22 (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

VG newsletter delivery

Terribly sorry, but could I trouble you for another delivery? The newest edition is located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Newsletter/20080806 if you are able to deliver it. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC))

No trouble at all. With the bot, it's easy as pie. –xeno (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Much appreciated. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC))

Viva Pinata

Hihi. Sorry, I wasn't aware they were endorsed by Rare - however, at the bottom of the home page, it says "PinataIsland.info is in no way affiliated with Rare® Ltd., Microsoft Game Studios, or 4Kids Entertainment.". I'm just wondering what the story is? Thanks! Fin©™ 22:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

No worries - they're "all-but endorsed" which basically means - Rare gives them exclusive breaking news from time to time and their developers (BIGsheep, etc.) post there on a regular basis. –xeno (talk) 22:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh ok, cool stuff! Sorry again =) Fin©™ 22:26, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, on a quick glance it sure looks like your regular run of the mill spammy fansite link. =) –xeno (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (August 2008)

• Newsletter delivery by xenobot 22:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you get you status pasted up on User/talk page?

The header says it all dude. Gears of War 2 17:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Create special:Mypage/Status with your status (online, busy, around, sleeping or offline) and then use {{Statustop}}. You can add scripts such as the below one to your monobook.js update the status page easily:

importScript('User:Xenocidic/statusChanger2.js');

hope that helps. –xeno (talk) 17:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a million. Gears of War 2 17:19, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

no prob. –xeno (talk) 17:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Adoptee tasks

I want to thank you for adding this as a task for adoptees like myself. I often find myself wondering what I can do to help without knowing where to start and this is a great step for me to help and achieve at the same time. I realise this has taken a large amount of time and effort and I want to acknowledge that I appreciate what you have done. I aim to complete these exercises/edits over time and gain the experience and understanding needed to one day become an admin and also to become a better and more effective wiki user. Lympathy ^Talk 17:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I can't take all the credit for it, I just tweaked the lessons that were already floating around out there. Hersfold is the one who originally made them. cheers though, I hope you find them helpful. =) –xeno (talk) 17:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Response

(Re [14]) Hi and thanx. I don't often use those citation formats because it can be performed simpler and without finding the template as I tried to do -- but for some reason, it didn't work. Do you know why? It fit the same format as the other citations, XYZ.com, but wouldn't format properly. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

user recovery

 Done. Without Xenovention. Useight (talk) 04:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

hi i was wondering if u could send a copy of my recently deleted article (user:Essrko, otherwise termed Erik Steven Smith) to my email address please, im not completely sure y they deleted it, i guess i made it too professional looking and they thought that it was meant to be an actual article instead of my wiki-profile...oh well, i would just really appreciate a copy, thank you very much and have a wonderful day -Erik —Preceding unsigned comment added by Essrko (talk • contribs) 04:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Useight has done this for you (thanks =), and placed the article at User:Essrko/Bio. As for why it was deleted, it was because it /was/ in the encyclopedia space. It can happily stay at its current location or User:Essrko Let me know if you have any further questions. I've deleted your email address from my talk page so it doesn't get picked up by spammers. –xeno (talk) 12:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Hellboy2hell.jpg

Since you're online, could you delete this picture? Thanks, HeLLboy2HeLL (talk) 13:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xeno (talk) 13:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, here: HeLLboy2HeLL 13:31, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Cbsite

Yep. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

eh? –xeno (talk) 14:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I'm only saying, I support the indef. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Thx, I wasn't quite sure, but it's clear he was only here for disruption. –xeno (talk) 14:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Moreover, he was given many chances to settle down into helpful editing. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

A Favor To Ask

Dear Xenocidic,

I have been here since 2004, and I would like to be an admin someday. I was wondering if you can briefly screen my account, and see if at this point, I make a good candidate for admin. If not, can you give me some pointers as to how I can become one? Thanks! Arbiteroftruth (talk) 19:46, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, right off the bat, you should tag Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Arbiteroftruth with {{db-author}}. Since it never went live. –xeno (talk) 19:52, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

• To be honest, I'm really not that great at vetting RFA candidates. What I do see is that your edit summary usage has greatly improved in the last two-three months. But you are pretty much in the very-low activity range, rarely breaking 100-200 edits per month. This isn't really a reason to oppose, but most people like to see people are more active. What's good is that you are constistently editing, with no activity-free months since 2005. Looking at [15] I also see you've got around 100 AIV reports, some RFPP reports and some SSP/RFCU activity. Fairly good balance of namespaces, with contributions to portals, which is rare. I also see you're a fairly regular participant at AfD. A cursory glance of your deleted contribs doesn't show much or any CSD work. In conclusion though, I'd say go for it. Have you gotten your tit in a wringer at all over the last few years? Like any major drama (AN/AN/I/WQA/etc)? If not, you'd probably have a fairly decent chance as long as you haven't pissed too many people off. That's just my off-the-cuff remarks. If you want, I could write the above up into a nomination statement for you if you'd rather not self-nom, but I must warn you, my one and only nom didn't go so well! (That was a while back, before I was an admin, though). Also review User:Balloonman/How to pass an RfA for more solid advice. –xeno (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

And stop badgering other admins. ;-) Tan ǀ 39 20:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

...especially lazy sacks with tan-colored signatures. ;p –xeno (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Who has a good chance with admin noms here? You, or Tan? Arbiteroftruth (talk) 00:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if Tan's ever nominated anyone... –xeno (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

If either you or tan can nominate me, that would be great. And just to show that I will invest more time to Wikipedia, I have installed the Twinkies and Friendly application. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 03:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

First, tag that RFA that never went anywhere with {{db-author}}. –xeno (talk) 03:05, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Tagged. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 03:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

• k, I'll write up a nom statement tomorrow, since it's pretty late. In the meantime, you should read over that link to Balloonman's how-to guide. –xeno (talk) 04:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

I know I said I'd do this a few days ago, but I just didn't get around to it yet (sorry). I will make a solid effort to write it up this weekend. Have you thought about seeking a co-nom as well? –xeno (talk) 14:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: Hmm

(Re [16]) Yes, it would be a good idea to do so. I'd say wait for a couple of weeks (fair enough?). I will find a co-sponsor, it's just I was so busy IRL lately that I couldn't spare the time. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 16:55, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, I'll try and write the nom in the mean-time. –xeno (talk) 16:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you make icons?

how should I make icons and how long have I been to wikipedia?--Spittlespat (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean about the icons. You've been on Wikipedia since April 26, 2008. You could display this by adding this userbox to your userpage: {{User Wikipedian For|year=2008|month=04|day=26}}. –xeno (talk) 20:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

guest book

what's a guest book could I make or have one?--Spittlespat (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

A guest book is just something any user could put into their userspace to have other editors sign. If you want one, just create a page on your userspace (such as User:Spittlespat/My Guestbook or something similar, and state what it is. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 20:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

^ what he said. –xeno (talk) 20:55, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

So it's like making an article I type in user:spittlespat|spittlespat in the search box and then create it?--Spittlespat (talk) 02:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

or you could just click the redlink above. –xeno (talk) 02:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

just go to your user page, then add "/guestbook" to the actual address after it's loaded (address would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Spittlespat/guestbook) and edit it, then add a line of text saying "this is my guestbook", and yer done... it's the same thing I do whenever I want to make any kind of a subpage... just make sure to add a link on your userpage if you ever want anyone to find it... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I made a User:Spittlespat/my guestbook page now what? How do I put it in my userpage how do I create a new tab that says my guestbook? Make sure to sign my guestbook--Spittlespat (talk) 23:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

You could make a link on your userpage that goes to your guestbook. Or you could put a link to it in your signature. Or you could make some kind of navigational bar on your userpage that links to it (see my userpage for an example). Useight (talk) 00:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

How do you make a link? LOL I'm so stupid!!--Spittlespat (talk) 00:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I see you already have the words "my guestbook" on your userpage. You could make that into a link to your guestbook using this type of code: [[User:Spittlespat/My Guestbook|my guestbook]]. If you put that in place of the words "my guestbook" on your userpage, that'll do the trick. And you're not stupid, you're new. Useight (talk) 00:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks Useight =) –xeno (talk) 00:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, you know I got your back. Useight (talk) 01:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Editing Header Levels

Hey now! You fixed the same thing I was trying (unsuccessfully) to fix! Guess I'm not the only one who is OCD ;-). Wikiwikikid (talk) 17:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, yes ... you simply went in the wrong direction =) –xeno (talk) 17:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I had a 50/50 chance! :-D Wikiwikikid (talk) 17:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

What to do now?

With AN/K now gone, I guess AN/X is about to get a little more popular? - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Yea, he's lost a close wikifriend, he'll probably be away for a bit. –xeno (talk) 00:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I just finished reading most of (I think most of) the situation... I did not know the guy myself, but have seen his edits here and there... it always sucks to lose a good editor, especially if they are a friend... - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know him that much either but I know he'd been having a tough time. –xeno (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

AN/U is also always available if I can be of assistance. Useight (talk) 01:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Is there a summary of what happened and who died? Also, shame that Keeper protected his page--I'm sure there are more than me who'd prefer to leave well wishes to him. Jclemens (talk) 01:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Jeffpw... - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Jclemens (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Question from a novice

Xeno, humor me here. Am I off my rocker for believing that even registered accounts should be given and then vandalize after a final warning before being blocked? Is there some kind of an unspoken precedence at AIV for not necessarily letting that happen? I've seen it happen far too often in the past 2 weeks to consider anything but two possibilities: 1. Admins often take action without really looking into things (shocking, right?), or 2. I'm completely out of the loop, having been an admin for only a couple of weeks. Your thoughts? Okiefromokla ^questions? 16:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I have thoughts on this, but I'm waiting for Xeno to answer first ;-) Tan ǀ 39 17:17, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a judgment call based on the situation and severity of the vandalism. Some accounts can be blocked on sight, others should be given warnings. –xeno (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. There's a difference between assuming good faith (i.e., giving yet another warning and hoping the vandalism stops), and simply being foolish about it. "Poooop!" "Stop." "Pooooooop!" "Please stop." "PPPOOOOOOOOP!!!!!11!" "Pretty please stop". You might as well just nip it. Tan ǀ 39 17:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Of course. In fact, I've blocked a few accounts that hadn't been sufficiently warned due to the circumstances and severity of vandalism. A situation with the block of Jlangton80 (talk · contribs) elicited this question. He had some edits in 2007 that appeared to have been made in good faith, but returned this month to vandalize 4 times — pretty run-of-the-mill stuff. The problem was, he was given his first two warnings earlier today, and didn't edit after either of these warnings before being reported and blocked. Under these circumstances, I was just a little bit frustrated, and it wouldn't be the first time. Okiefromokla ^questions? 18:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Look at those last three edits. Immature homophobic attacks against WP:BLPs? This is clear-cut to me. Tan ǀ 39 18:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I suppose you're right. Still, in an ideal world, I wish he had been given the chance to vandalize (or not) after being warned of an impending block. It's the thought of being pelted with messages of "you can be blocked in you continue", and then being blocked anyway, that bothers me. But, you're right, his vandalism is a bit more serious than I had initially thought. Okiefromokla ^questions? 18:28, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Yea, BLP violations are typically dealt with using a heavier hand than other forms of vandalism. He is of course, free to throw up an unblock request, but it doesn't appear he's here to build an encyclopedia. –xeno (talk) 18:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

ABN AMRO

Hello again. It looks as if the ABN AMRO is unlocked now. At the writing, the only new edits are positive ones in which the last remaining mentions of "ABN Amro" were corrected to ABN AMRO. So we should watch the article closely to avoid more edit and renaming wars. Steelbeard1 (talk) 17:43, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks, –xeno (talk) 17:44, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

how do you search a pages history for a particular day. in my case WP:RfP on Dec. 3 2006. HereFord 19:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

There's an element at the top of the page to offset the history. Just type in 2006 and change it to December. Then click "older" until you get to the date you want. (Alternatively, you could set it to 2006 November and start clicking "newer" that might be faster, or tweak the offset manually). –xeno (talk) 19:10, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

thankyouHereFord 19:14, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

HELP!

I was editing your adoption page and I was going to make my edit count to 99 and then something wrong happened and it looks like vandalism will I get banned quickly turn it bakc normal, p.s. I don't really get your adoption class thing do I get to adopt someone?--Spittlespat (talk) 22:18, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

no, you won't get banned, it was an honest mistake. (fixed) don't worry about updating the edit counts, I update those periodically. be right back to answer the second part of your question. –xeno (talk) 22:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

as for adopting, you don't yet have the required experience to be adopting people. the classes are designed to be a tutorial on getting better acquainted with various wikipedia tasks. –xeno (talk) 22:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

why am I at your adoption class?

I'm already adopted so why am I at your adoption page?--Spittlespat (talk) 22:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the question... My adoption page lists my adoptees and the adoption class is an optional tutorial section for them. if you mean because you're already adopted by jacob; it's because he didn't quite meet the adopter criteria so I offered to be a co-adopter. –xeno (talk) 22:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

ok got it--Spittlespat (talk) 22:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Sign my guest book, no one signed it so far except for usesight--Spittlespat (talk) 00:22, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

poke

Question for you at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/George The Dragon —Giggy 04:19, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

That was sneaky! Enigma ^message 04:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Ninja Gaiden

Great to know that your only defense is "edit the target article so no one can oppose your consensus-less move". Your argument would be great in a discussion, not in IGNORING a discussion. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:50, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The RM stood for nearly a month. I thoroughly reviewed the WPVG discussion and felt that consensus was for a move. You are free to open another discussion. The hidden comment was to encourage this, and prevent an edit war. You'll note that I was not a participant in that discussion; in fact, personally, I couldn't care less where the article goes. If you feel that I have erred in determining consensus, please open a line of discussion on that, rather than wheeling over my action. –xeno (talk) 15:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

There was no consensus, and to ignore that series typically use (series) is faulty. Few series do this, and only when they're so much more well-known than any one game. This is absolutely not the case here, and with the disambiguation still existing, it should remain at the main page. - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on whether or not there was a consensus. Clearly, I thought there was, else I would not have performed the move - but you're welcome to re-open the discussion. As for the dab page still existing, that's just because no one has seen fit to nominate it for deletion. I completed the move, that is all. –xeno (talk) 17:16, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

In response, I disagree with the move, but was irritable because I thought you were the one who proposed it, and were moving it yourself. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. No, I wouldn't have done that. cheers, –xeno (talk) 16:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

classroom adoption

So these are basically tasks that I can do that cover the areas of being an editor? If so, I would like to do them! JTBX (talk) 13:12, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Good thing is, we can do them at our leisure (as adoptees) and then report to our mentor as we've done them for review. Of course Xeno can always give us a hand if we need it, happy editing :) Lympathy ^Talk 13:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

• Yep, they're various tutorials (some with short assignments) on different aspects of editing Wikipedia. Found at User:Xenocidic/wikiadopt. –xeno (talk) 16:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both. JTBX (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Tagged.com

Hi Xenocidic - Would you mind looking at the edit history of tagged.com? I fear an edit war is beginning and I'd appreciate your thoughts. Thanks Ucanlookitup (talk) 13:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it but I'll only really be floating around today. –xeno (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Hellboy2hell/Crusaders

I was just wondering, could you delete this page? Its because I have no use for it now. Thanks in advance!! From, H2H (talk) 13:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done In future you can just add {{db-userreq}} to your user subpages you don't want and they'll get deleted fairly quickly. –xeno (talk) 16:43, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

User box

(Re [17]) Can you please redelete the page? It was created by me, is not used by anyone, and I want rid of it. CSD G7 applies; it doesn't have to be in my user space. It's deletion will not affect the MfD discussion. PC78 (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, my mistake, it's only transcluded in lists of userboxen. G7'd. –xeno (talk) 17:05, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. PC78 (talk) 17:07, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

vandal 86.158.236.136

Hi thanks for blocking this vandal, but I need some assistance with him, as he has been ip hopping for a while after his account got a temporary block. Could you perhaps examine his sock puppetry case please? [[User:Giani g|Giani g]] (talk) 17:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it appears to be something that only a rangeblock can handle, unfortunately, it may be too much collateral damage based on his Internet service provider being quite popular in the UK, I believe. Please link the SSP report in future AIV reports. –xeno (talk) 17:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

O btw he just changed ip again, he just reverted everything, k thanks for that advice. [[User:Giani g|Giani g]] (talk) 18:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

You may consider making an WP:AN/I report, seeking a rangeblock. –xeno (talk) 18:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

this Giani G is clearly a pro indian editor he makes changes to pakistani articles and doesnt even allow changes to indian articles i will edit indian mountains and he will go on to revert please look deeper beyong religion and stop taking sides you may like india but as a editor you must be neutral. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.70.179 (talk) 18:06, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have a content dispute, you should log back into your account and seek mediation. –xeno (talk) 18:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

its not about content dispute this editor giani g is a nationalist indian who only targets pakistani articles with un sourced data and when i do the same to indian mountains he has a sissy fit i did have a acount but i forgot to sign in one day and edited without it and then giani g pounced my ip is dynamic if you know what that means and blocking me wont acheive nothing look at his biased editing first on pakistani mountains which are un referenced or i shall continue reverting no justice no peace cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.70.179 (talk) 18:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

If you have a dispute with an editor, the first step would be to seek mediation. See WP:Dispute resolution. Edit warring is unproductive. –xeno (talk) 18:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

your not really paying attention look at his edits hes the biased editor dont revert my edits as he provides NO SOURCES please dont take sides. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.162.70.179 (talk) 18:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not taking sides, I'm advising you both to seek mediation. –xeno (talk) 18:21, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Such a lovely diatribe, I was expecting nothing less, is everyone who disagrees with you Indian? You've used that "I forgot to sign in" excuse a lot, I already asked you to start the topic at the India and Pakistani project pages before diving into edit wars, and I will continue to revert till a new consensus is reached. [[User:Giani g|Giani g]] (talk) 18:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

a consensus has been reached when you edited K2 ring any bells nationalist giani people actively reverted your claims on k2 and now your shift your un sourced claims to gasherbrum and other pakistani articles maybe you should get a taste of your own medicine and i should urge pakistani editors to target indian mountian how about that ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.158.235.17 (talk) 18:46, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Go for it, I'm pretty sure the Pakistani editors feel the same way you do, as for this discussion, log into your account and continue it on MY talk page. [[User:Giani g|Giani g]] (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Could you delete this image for me? It is here: Image:2004 stellar quake full.jpg. It was an honest mistake, and it has been uploaded to Commons. Thanks, --Meldshal 21:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xeno (talk) 21:44, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Quick question. Which image should be deleted in this case: Image:Mass eject in ultraviolet light.jpg, because it is later, or Image:SOHO Coronal Mass Ejection.jpg? Thanks again. --Meldshal 14:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

My belated reply here.

Adoption

Hi Xeno, i'm really interested in being adopted by you. You seem to have a lot of adoptees, so if you're full, can you recommend anyone else? -- The reason I want adoption is because I still feel Inexperienced here! After half a year and two accounts, i'm still not really above basic edits and vandalism clean up. Don't get me wrong, I like cleaning vandalism (amongst other things) to All Grown Up! related articles. But, I just feel like I could and should be doing more! Thanks for your time :-) John Sloan (talk) 14:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm my adoptees don't keep me that busy so I can take you on. You can jump right into the lessons if you like. –xeno (talk) 14:14, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Great! What do I have to do? John Sloan (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Just hanging out on AN/X will give you enough experience for RfA! - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well if you're planning on completing the assignments you should probably create an adoption subpage to centralize discussions, at User talk:John Sloan/adoption. And then just visit User:Xenocidic/wikiadopt and do the lessons in whatever order you like. –xeno (talk) 14:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

(EC)I enjoy helping at RPP, but I will never attempt a RfA. Thanks anyway Adolphus :-) John Sloan (talk) 14:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

So when I've completed a task, I should just mention it on the subpage? John Sloan (talk) 14:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and let me know by signing in the very first section of this talk page. (I'll add an e-z link to do that on your adoption subpage when you create it) –xeno (talk) 14:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I've created the subpage now. John Sloan (talk) 14:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Cookie!

John Sloan (talk) has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Just thought I'd let you know that my Twinkle is now working exactly as I wanted. Thanks for the help with it and enjoy the cookie :-) John Sloan (talk) 11:27, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah - that's good to know. =) Strange that it wouldn't work right away as we configured it. –xeno (talk) 16:47, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

I had the same problem with TW. I configured it into my monobook, and nothing happened. Then randomly it started working about a week later. Bizarre. Washburnmav (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Premature Block?

Wasn't this done a little hastily? He only had 2 recent edits, and only one of those was truly vandalism. Washburnmav (talk) 16:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Blatant unreedeming racism like that is usually dealt with using a heavy hand. –xeno (talk) 17:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Makes sense. Glad to hear it. Washburnmav (talk) 17:05, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

SMACK Tan ǀ 39 17:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

lawl. Washburnmav (talk) 18:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

CSD G6

Hi Xeno! I was wondering if you could do me a small favor and check out The Rising Tide (album). Thanks NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 17:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It's already been deleted =) –xeno (talk) 17:24, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, that was fast. What about The Rising Tide. Same reasoning ;) NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 17:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Deleted. Though, since The Rising Tide only had 1 entry in the history after you moved it to (album), you could've just moved right on top of it. –xeno (talk) 17:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Xeno. You should add a section to the admin dashboard that lists pages tagged as CSD G6, like you have with pages tagged with db-author, db-userreq, and db-empty. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 17:28, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm totally confused about what J.delanoy wants ;) but I'm confused. I got an error message when I tried exactly what you said, so I figured I'd delete the redirect first. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 17:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Nuke: {{admin dashboard}}. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 17:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Nuclear, I'm a little confused why you feel that this newer novel deserves to be at the base name "The Rising Tide" over the older album. 34,200 hits for the book and 660,000 for the album.

Jay, that would require a category be seperate created for G6'd pages. Feel free to work on that ;p –xeno (talk) 17:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh gosh, this thread is going to be complicated. Anyway, that edit summary probably wasn't entirely accurate. The song gets 676k hits on google whereas the book only gets 328k; that's true. But this more aligns the titles of The Rising Tide and The Steel Wave, two books in the same trilogy. NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 17:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I doubt it's that high, many of those results aren't related to this particular book. Book+author is more accurate. I don't really care enough to press the issue but just keep this in mind for the future. –xeno (talk) 17:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Question about list

I am considering cleaning up Guitar tunings#Open tunings, and I encountered the list of musicians you see there. It seems unnecessary and I was going to get rid of it and instead add a sentence saying, "Open tunings are used by many famous musicians including blah, blah and blah." Just talk about 2 or 3. I wanted to get a second opinion before I delete such a hefty amount of information. I would also copy it to the talk page to have for reference. Your thoughts? Washburnmav (talk) 18:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it doesn't seem like a very worthwhile list. Trim it to the most notable examples, imo. –xeno (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Tom Strickland

I found this article at WP:RPP. I've mentioned it at the BLP noticeboard, but i'd like you to have a look at it as well. It clearly has multiple issues and i've placed a few tags on it. But this article could have more serious problems and could also be a candidate for deletion. Thanks John Sloan (talk) 19:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

It's tough to judge because all the references are offline. But if they're incidental coverage, they don't serve to establish notability. –xeno (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm tempted to put it through AfD. If I decide to, I'll wait a few days for its request here to be handled and for some imput at BLP/N. Thanks John Sloan (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

What do you think of my changes? I think I have addressed most of the concerns presented by the maintenance templates, and believe that the article now exerts adequate notability. I didn't see any BLP violations though. Artichoker[talk] 23:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Just realized part of the article was a copyvio of this site. I have removed the offending content. Artichoker[talk] 23:32, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here - John Sloan (talk) 00:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

• I'll probably have a chance to look at this more closely in the morning. Happy editing in the meantime =) –xeno (talk) 01:06, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thankyou

Just a little note to say thankyou for participating in my successful RFA candidacy, which passed with 96 supports, 0 opposes, and 1 neutral. I am pleasantly taken aback by the amount of support for me to contribute in an administrative role and look forward to demonstrating that such faith is well placed. Regards, WilliamH (talk) 09:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

REQ (2) Speedy Deleted Articles

Hello. Found your name amongst the administrators who might provide copies of deleted articles. Might I trouble you for Offset Paperback Mfrs., Inc. and Pocono Academy Systems? Many thanks. Fazul (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xeno (talk) 15:23, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Idea

"Adopt an Article"

• Adopt an Article
• Work on that article to get it to FA status
• Keep an eye on your article

What do yout think?   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 02:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't really seem like it would need a project for that, it's kind of a just do it situation... –xeno (talk) 02:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think its a cute idea   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 02:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Did you see someone offered to nominate me for RFA? I declined the offer of course but found it amusing none the less.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 03:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

hehe. i turned down a nom once as well. –xeno (talk) 03:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you certainly did! :D - I'm glad you ended up with the mop, wikipedia needs more sysops like you :-) John Sloan (talk) 21:59, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah, that explains it! heh. i thought you had gone crawling thru my 'chives or something! welcome back =) –xeno (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry thought you already worked it out, lol! I've just mentioned my former self at WP:AN, hope I don't get blocked :D John Sloan (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, thats the link! Should read before I edit... John Sloan (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm - nope. I seemed to have totally glossed over that part where you said you had two accounts. Did I miss any other hints? –xeno (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I called you "old friend" when you were helping me with Twinkle. I was never going to hide my past though, honesty is always the best policy :-) John Sloan (talk) 21:49, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, I guess I just thought you were being collegial =) –xeno (talk) 21:51, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi Xeno, I wanted to thank you for adding the adoption lessons for us. I've been really busy the last few days and have yet to pick one to start on. I'm not sure which would benefit me the most. I want to eventually finish all of them though. Thanks again, they will be very helpful looks like. Cheers, Landon1980 (talk) 02:58, 12 August 2008 (UTC).

Just do whatever interests you the most first =) –xeno (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Interesting...

My personal information troll is back, could you shoot me an email whenever you get a chance? - Adolphus79 (talk) 06:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xeno (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting...kinda?

I'm working to put a dent in the copyedit backlog by attacking the long list of cleanup tags that have been incorrectly put on talk pages and transferring them to the article or removing them entirely. Is this a worthwhile effort? Washburnmav (talk) 19:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Are there many of these? If a tag was put on a long time ago, and the person never gave an indication of why they were tagging it, and you don't agree with the tag, by all means, remove it. –xeno (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

There are quite a few, 50+. A lot of them never get taken off despite the article being fixed because they aren't on the article itself so editors don't see them. It also makes it difficult for copyeditors to find the page that needs cleanup because the article is listed under T for talk, even though its called "specimens in a toilet" (just an example of course :P). Washburnmav (talk) 19:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Either moving them or just removing them if you think the cleanup has already been done sounds fine. –xeno (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, ya did ask...

It ain't so. This is in response to this. A very funny edit summary, thanks for making me smile. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, glad you liked it ;> my son loves those wiggly blokes, i'd hate to see them make such an about-face genre change =) –xeno (talk) 20:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup, we watch the guys everyday in my household, too. Which is why I'm the Wiggles-expert! Although the guys are such good musicians, I'm sure they could play death metal. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

deletion

(Re [18]) What?! I thought only admins could, after they decided if it needed to be deleted or not Ctjf83Talk 22:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

gotcha! Ctjf83Talk 22:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Move talk page

Could you move Talk:Artemis Fowl and the Lost Colony, to Talk:Artemis Fowl: The Lost Colony. The article is located at Artemis Fowl: The Lost Colony, and the talk page is at a redirect. I would not let me move over a redirect. Thanks LegoK^ontribsT^alkM 04:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xeno (talk) 12:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Help needed again!

Hi dear Xeno
I'm former Vespa64 and newly Amirreza (You helped me changing my username!)
After changing my UN I made some Contributions, but today when I wanted to sign in with my new UN this eror occured:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from within function "User::saveSettings". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'Vespa64' for key 2 (10.0.0.235)". Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin"
Can you help me?
Thanks Vespa64 (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

That's quite strange. I would suggest if you can't resolve this, post a request to the WP:HELPDESK or WP:VPT. –xeno (talk) 15:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

WP:TOV

We've discussed this at the VP, Please don't remove the guideline tag unless you've actually looked at the entire discussion about this page. Thank you Neuro√Logic 16:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did, and I didn't see anything close to consensus for flagging it as a guideline less than 24 hours after the posting. And the current climate is leaning towards "leave it as an essay". –xeno (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawing my comment, saw the discussion was moved, sorry Xeno =) And, yes...It seems lots of people want to wash their hands of being responsible adults today, when just a couple days ago I had a rather dramatic force of support discussion on IRC and a couple other areas...Sigh...Seems to me being shot down due to "inflexibility" which makes no sense to me, could you perhaps explain what they mean? Neuro√Logic 16:57, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, a great reason to avoid IRC. I think the main reason is that guidelines should not/cannot bind what people do off-wiki. The only guideline that can be written is that TOVs should be reported to the appropriate on-wiki venue, i.e. AN/I. Jmho. –xeno (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I suppose I see where that is coming from, perhaps there could be a compromise, limiting it to on-wiki action, or some such. Neuro√Logic 17:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey

Hey. I know we haven't talked in a while, but I found this really cool video today of an F-35 Lightning II and I had to show it to someone.... (and yes, it is free)
Image:F-35 verticle landing.ogg
Now that's cool! btw, great job with all the admin stuff you've been doing. I really can't believe how good a job you do. I would say you're easily in the top 3 best admins on Wikipedia and maybe even the best one out there. Keep up the good work man. Thingg^⊕⊗ 17:49, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

oOo... VTOL... that's hot. oh, and i really appreciate that! doubtful, but appreciated nonetheless =) –xeno (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Objective Completed: Check Email

Xeno check your email. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:58, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Don't you check your email?. I sent it to you few days back. I will reply it soon. --SkyWalker (talk) 18:17, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Not regularly. Emailing my alt account is faster. –xeno (talk) 18:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• By the way, cheers for the revert the other day. –xeno (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Did not know you have two accounts. I will use that one then. That is the one you send me an email right?. Iam glad to revert that vandalism. Almost your whole talk, user and others page are on my watchlist. Iam watching you :D. --SkyWalker (talk) 06:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yea, that's my "public computer and huggle" account and it's linked to the email that I check more often. Good to know, about the vandal-watching =) –xeno (talk) 12:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

RFAQ

Just thought I'd show you this. Steve Crossin ^Contact/₂₄ 03:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Aye, I saw that. =) –xeno (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I'm moving the answer below:

My views on this

Decided that I'd answer this, as I don't intend to RFA. Anyways, given the fact that they had quite a history of vandalism, I'd be inclined to not unblock. The fact that they did have a constructive edit is a mitigating factor, however it doesn't really outweigh the previous vandalism that this user has done. However, if this was a user account, I'd offer them a {{2nd chance}}. I'm not sure if they can be offered to IP addresses. If they can, I'd be open to offering that, as well. The fact that they are somewhat apologetic is something I'd take into consideration, and the fact they did have a constructive edit adds to that. I'm all for assuming good faith and leniancy, but with a history of vandalism like they had, I'd be rather cautious to outright unblock them. Steve Crossin ^Contact/₂₄ 03:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

There's no rule against offering 2nd chance to IPs =) –xeno (talk) 03:58, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, then I'd offer them a 2nd chance. I think that every opportunity should be given if a user is apologetic, but given their history of vandalism, I'd like to see an intent to help the 'pedia, and the 2nd chance option would give that user the chance to prove that. If all went well, I'd be happy to unblock. Steve Crossin ^Contact/₂₄ 04:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much the answer I'm looking for. Vandals are a dime a dozen and re-blocks are cheap...constructive contributors are golden. I've moved this section to my talk page, I don't want the "right answer" to be very easily found by candidates =) –xeno (talk) 13:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The "right answer"?. Hehe. :) Steve Crossin ^Contact/₂₄ 17:22, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

imo, anyway. some people think the right answer is to decline the unblock yourself and protect the talk page! heh. –xeno (talk) 17:30, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh, yea..you shouldn't do that. I've seen that sorta thing happen before. If we don't assume good faith and have an aggressive attitude to vandals, or apologetic people, then new users won't hang around long. Re-blocking is easy, but getting a user to return after forcing them away is hard. Steve Crossin ^Contact/₂₄ 19:36, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I'd be very reluctant to unblock. If they are reformed, then in a week there should be no problems. I know my answer's probably "wrong", but since I generally don't engage in anti-vandal work it's not too big a deal. Wizardman 22:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

what level am I in wikipedia?

Is it stub b class, a class, etc. (Also what rate is my userpage)--Spittlespat (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Those ratings only apply to articles... –xeno (talk) 21:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd call you first level. :-) Jclemens (talk) 21:32, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:MMORPG ? –xeno (talk) 21:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

/me points to {{User WPUH/WikiEdit-1}}. :-) -- RyRy Public (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I suppose that works too =) –xeno (talk) 22:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey! Look what I did today, here, in one diff!. Ok, so I used my sandbox. Sue me. What level am I at now? Keeper made a table!!!! Actually, I came here so you could link me somewhere that shows me how to brighten up the colors a bit... Keeper ǀ 76 22:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Heh, if you need to know how to color color's dem rows just find a hex code at HTML colors and then put it a preceding pipe

| bgcolor="#ffbbbb" | (row contents)

like so ^ –xeno (talk) 22:10, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow... I never knew one question could turn into a discussion with alot of people Lol! =P --Spittlespat (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Talk page stalkers, my friend, talk page stalkers. –xeno (talk) 18:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Haha you have good humor!--Spittlespat (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

• Haha .. you're not a good enough TalkStalker if you didn't know that he has good "humour" instead of "humor"  ;-) He is Canadian, after all BMW(drive) 13:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  eh? ;> –xeno (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

actually I'm not a page stalker--Spittlespat (talk) 20:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

CAPITAN ELMO Isn't editing

Captian Elmo is starting to think Wikipedia is a fansite making cool userpages etc. Maybe you can teach him a few tricks, how about you read his talk page first!--Spittlespat (talk) 18:10, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure that encouraging him to edit articles would be in our best interests at this time. –xeno (talk) 18:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm just saying that maybe you could ask him if he wants to be adopted and that you could teahc him a few of your tricks that's all but he's really treating Wikipedia like a big game--Spittlespat (talk) 19:23, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I understand Spittle, but please read this essay: WP:Competence is required. From what I've seen of his edits, he wouldn't be much of a contributor at the present time. Maybe in a few years. –xeno (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I've just had a look at elmo's contribs, none are edits to wikipedia articles. IMHO, he needs to warned about WP:MYSPACE. (OMG, I'm now a talk page stalker! :D John Sloan (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Sometimes it's better to let them lose interest in the userspace, rather than pushing them out the door into the mainspace where they can cause harm. Harsh? Maybe, but realistic. See Wikipedia:Social networking for more on this. –xeno (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I met Captian Elmo in real life he's my friend it's just that when I call him he's says that he doesn't like editing and all he wants to do is find secret pages on Wikipedia so all I want you to do is help him just a little like try helping him into getting more edits and not just have fun if he wants to play he should go to Runescape but if he wants to edit he should go here, maybe get some more people to help discuss this!--Spittlespat (talk) 19:33, 13 August 2008 (UTC) I'm just asking, so are you going to help?--Spittlespat (talk) 20:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

I can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. Point him at User:Xenocidic/wikiadopt, those are some tutorials on how he can improve Wikipedia. If all he wants to do is secret pages, let him find a few and lose interest. I have to focus my efforts where I can, I can't hold someone's hand and make them edit if they have no desire to. I already have enough adoptees who actually care about improving the encyclopedia already than to try and make someone into something they're not. –xeno (talk) 20:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i dragged you into this, you're right about not forcing them to edit He justs needs a little more time though I told you about this was only because I thought If you had an account you have to at least make some edits well guess I'm wrong!--Spittlespat (talk) 21:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It's no problem at all Spittle - you meant well. And technically, yes, he should be encouraged to edit the mainspace or blocked for myspacing but I'm going to invoke the wise words of a great man: "Can't someone else do it?" –xeno (talk) 12:27, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Captian Elmo is finally editing maybe the message I sent him worked!, Also did you write the "Can't someone else do it?--Spittlespat (talk) 20:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, seems I botched the sig. sorry. and good work. –xeno (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

c.e. (captian elmo) called me saying he wants to be in your adoption class and I done some more edits so I probably have more edits then what you have put on your adoption page, how many eidts does c.e. have?--Spittlespat (talk) 20:38, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Click here for an edit counter. –xeno (talk) 20:42, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

!vote

(Re [19]) Ah I see. Sorry I had no knowledge of that, I'm still fairly new to 'Pedia. I thought it was a typo or something like that =| A Prodigy^Talk 20:34, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Re;NYSSA Name

• The correct place to request a new username is WP:CHU (but it would be much simpler to just create a new account rather than getting this one changed). Also, that new name you proposed still probably wouldn't fly. What about simply "Security Analyst" or something? –xeno (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  so this is my question. How can the NYSE have a page and other organizations that spell out the name, how do I get around that. We are a specific organization, going by something as generic as securities analyst would draw people specifically to an article about NYSSA. NYSSA - New York Society of Security Analyst (talk) 14:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  NYSE is an article, not a username. Usernames should not promote some specific entity, nor should you be attempting to add an article about the organization you work for; this represents a conflict of interests. –xeno (talk) 14:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  okay now you are making much more sense to me... i completely understand now, thank you for that clarification. You've been more than helpful. THANKS!NYSSA - New York Society of Security Analyst (talk) 14:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  No problem. By the way, I had to delete your userpage because it was a violation of copyright, and also a violation of our userpage guidelines per WP:UP#NOT. –xeno (talk) 14:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  that's great actually, Thank you.NYSSA - New York Society of Security Analyst (talk) 15:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

  FYI the best way to have an article about your organization pop up in Wikipedia without violating our COI policy is to gather some reliable sources (I do see some Google news links but some of them are primary sources, i.e. press releases) and make a request at WP:AFC. –xeno (talk) 15:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

uploading

Anish mishra here can teach me how to upload images —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anish mishra (talk • contribs) 16:25, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Adopt

Hi Xenocidic ! You may adopt me. But I am irregular (due to school/homework). Query: Is Xenocidic a base or an acid......--Renault (talk) 16:40, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I would be happy to. Just drop by whenever you have a question. There are also some optional lessons at User:Xenocidic/wikiadopt. –xeno (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank's. Started WP:Tutorial first....Now I may ask you in need !Renaulte (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights) 16:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, if that's your signature, you should change it; it expands to be far too long, and also, since you're not presently an admin, most of the links are unnecessary. As for your userpage, a more appropriate template would be {{user6|Renaulte}} which will result in: Renaulte (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log). cheers, –xeno (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Watchlist glitch

Is your watchlist working properly? Mine has reverted to how it was earlier today and all my recent contribs have disappeared! But the pages still show my contribs in their history. I'm very confused! John Sloan (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yea, mine is doing that too, I just rebooted my browser cause I thought it was just me. It's stuck at 14:54 UTC. –xeno (talk) 18:34, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I have the "You have new messages bar" stuck on my screen. Thing is I was the last one to edit it. Could you just make an edit, any edit to my talk page and see if that does anything for me? Thanks in advance. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 18:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

• Due to high database server lag, changes newer than 13164 seconds might not be shown in this list. "High" is a bit of an understatement =) –xeno (talk) 18:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Still shows up, but at least I'm not reading messages from myself anymore. Thanks. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 18:54, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I've got the server lag message as well now. Hope this corrects itself soon! John Sloan (talk) 18:56, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Same, I thought the absurd amounts of seconds was a glitch, but I guess not. Come on servers! You can make it! Washburnmav (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup backlog

Just finished clearing the cleanup backlog of improperly labeled talk pages. I'm pretty sure there were about 150 of them. Sigh. Yay for putting a microscopic dent in that backlog... Washburnmav (talk) 19:32, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

cleaning out stuff like that is thankless work, but it has to be done =] –xeno (talk) 22:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I would like your help again

(Re [20])

xeno, it looks like I need more help. I am trying to remove ALL the drafts that I created (with the exception of my Sandbox); however they do not seem to be disappearing. So far the only one which disappeared is the one labeled "Aftermath_draft" (or the one in which you inquired about several minutes ago). Will you continue to help me, please? I no longer see a real reason to keep the remaining nine (or so) drafts. I have tried removing them but they still seem to be around. I inserted {{db-userreq}} in everything. (Incidentally, as I recall, there is a way to remove the entire group as one. Would you point me again in the right direction with a link for those instructions ? A procedure such as "group" will undoubtedly be much better than the slow process I used.) Thanks. Hag2 (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Continues here.

• Everything is gone now as of 20:11 UTC. Thank you. I certainly appreciate your assistance. Hag2 (talk) 20:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Virgin Fleet

User:Narutolovehinata5/Page_nursery/No.2 article I am making may need more references, and may need expansion. But I am too busy to do it all. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

IRC

Come on IRC   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 14:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't do IRC. –xeno (talk) 14:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

But User:Prom3th3an says me a sockpuppeter :(. So he let me down in Bionic where I could test the admin tools :(.....See http://bionictest.no-ip.org/testwiki/index.php/User_talk:DNA#Yes.3F Renaulte (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights) 15:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't do IRC, and I couldn't care less what happens at Bionic test. Please fix your sig, it's way too long. Take out the {{admin}} part. –xeno (talk) 15:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Sig

made it simple Renaulte 15:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

better, but now it has no links to your user or talk page. you should just go back to the default sig - just delete everything from the sig box. –xeno (talk) 15:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Raw isgnature was enabled :(Renaulte (talk) 15:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Much better. You can customize your sig, just do not use any {{ }} code in it. –xeno (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

BlueDevil

Do you know this fellow BlueDevil :( musslim :(......Who i am accusesd as sock by prom3Renaulte (talk) 15:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Never heard of him... –xeno (talk) 16:53, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 DoneNow I am testing my skills on bionictest...as a sysop :) Even I do not do IRC nor I know beyond google talk :) Renaulte (talk) 17:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Umm...good? –xeno (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

exscuse me

I have heard of things called Bots. How can I get one of these. My job on Wikipedia is to find vandalism and sockpuppets. A bot will help.--Master of Pies (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Curious, how did you find your way to my talk page? Anti-vandalism bots are very complicated and require programming knowledge to operate. –xeno (talk) 17:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

You just joined today and only have a total of 5 edits. You claim your job is to find vandalism and socks, yet you have done nothing in the way of either. Maybe you should work on these jobs manually first before applying for a bot, there are a lot more people fighting vandalism manually on their own than there are botmasters. - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:48, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I've just dropped him a note on his talk page recommending Twinkle. The best anti-vandal tool around, IMHO :-) John Sloan (talk) 18:26, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Bah... watchlist and RC is the best tool... for us IE users, at least... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

lol, get Mozilla Firefox! You'll love it :D -- Sorry for the constant yellow banner xeno! John Sloan (talk) 18:35, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Hehe... welcome to AN/X! - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

• heh, no problem, I like orange bars. I feel sorry for anyone who is "stuck" with IE due to restrictions on their PC. anyone who is voluntarily still using IE, I just shake my head in confusion. IE is fine for regular 'ole browsing and such, but for Wikipedia, give me firefox, or give me death! –xeno (talk) 18:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I have a suspicion that this is a sock puppet. Reminds me of GENIUS(4th power). First edits being to your userpage and talk page, asking for rollback immediately, and immediately finding xenocidic are hardly typical traits of a newbie. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 19:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, which is why I asked above how he found his way here... Not sure if there's enough to go on for an RFCU though. –xeno (talk) 19:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

It does all look strange. But his edits so far have been constructive and if it was'nt for him, I would'nt have found and reported this user at WP:UFAA. John Sloan (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I too had this same thought, due to jumping right in with "my job here is vandalism and sock puppetry", not too many new users even know what a sock is, let alone are going to immediately start combating it. The to immediately follow that with a request for someone to give him a bot, and RfR (I know, it's RfP now)... I was biting my tounge though, and trying not to bite the noob... If someone wants to run a checkuser on him, I (and probably a few others) would stand as a character witness for the prosecution... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

i'm just gunna keep an eye for now, everything is pretty circumstantial presently. –xeno (talk) 20:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Well

I am just here to say a few things.

• 1 is that I found you because the user who put the welcome message on my talk page was given that message by you on his talk page.
• 2 I am not a Genius sock. I would hate to be compared to him.
• 3 I knew about Wikipedia beforehand because I have relatives who are big users and can't go a day without Wikipedia. I also read a lot on Wikipedia too.
• 4 I believe sockpuppets are also used to add vandalism. Not a single edit so far I've made has been vandalism. In fact, I even hhelped cath user $ik Gangsta for his WikiCrimes.
• 5Well, that's it, and check out my new page,Wikipedia:The Master's Report

--Master of Pies (talk) 21:15, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Alrighty, let me know if you have any questions about Wikipedia stuff. I wouldn't worry about having a bot for now, they require a lot of experience. –xeno (talk) 02:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: My signature

(Re [21]) Thanks for the heads-up on my signature - I didn't realise there was a limit - well, I must have done (subconciously) to subst it - but on reading WP:SIG I realise the reasons! I've shortened the markup and now it doesn't take up a load of space in the edit window. Cheers! Booglamay (talk) - 20:46, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply/continues here.

Madhukar article

Hi xeno, i reworked the madhukar article and added references and sources. It´s really perfect now. how to put it back into mainspace? Thanks a lot Syb (talk) 14:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.

thank you!

Thank you for reverting the vandal on my talk page! --ɔɹǝɐɯʎ!^Talk 12:26, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem! –xeno (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

School

Read my updated (and better looking) userpage to find out my active schedule on Wikipedia it has something to do with school--Spittlespat (talk) 19:09, 16 August 2008 (UTC) Could you help me make a my link thing on my userpage and talk page I just can't seem how to make them if you don;t get what I'm talking I'll explain, it's basically like the thing on top that says my contributions my wacthlist, etc. But I want to put up two new things my vandalize ME! page and my guestbook (p.s. I don't care about what style you do just make it so it macthes my userpage--Spittlespat (talk) 00:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xeno (talk) 17:31, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Xeno, thank you for your contribution to the discussion at my recent RfA and in particular for making mention of my attempts to rescue articles. Thanks again for the NSFW question too! If ever you have any concerns about my actions, adminly or otherwise, don't hesitate to let me know. Best wishes, Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Xeno, thank you for the {{admin dashboard}}. I'll try to put it to good use! :) Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Recognition

For recognisinig contibutors worthy of gold, silver and bronze wiki's. What u think?   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 11:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you explain further? Though from what I gather, it's sounds a bit like the recently deleted award center to me. –xeno (talk) 17:30, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

A Project where contrubutors who can raise to our attention those fantasic contributors who have done so much work and have nothing to show for it, we can then award them a gold, silver or bronze wiki as appropriate and thank them of course. 203.122.240.118 (talk) 12:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds too much like the award center, to be honest. –xeno (talk) 12:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Your RfA question

Hi xeno, are you going to ask your RfA question at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/It Is Me Here? If not, would you be okay with me asking it? Thanks John Sloan (talk) 16:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

That RFA looks like a foregone conclusion to me. That being said, feel free to pose my RFA question any time you wish. –xeno (talk) 16:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

The user wants their RfA to continue (despite the opposes) for a few more days. It seems fair to assume they will want the same level of questions as the other RfA's. Thanks for the permission :-) John Sloan (talk) 16:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

On the other hand, we don't have to spend time on nonstarter candidates. The editor could look through other RfAs to find out about questions that are typically asked on RfAs, something I don't think he did. Darkspots (talk) 16:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Surprisingly enough, most candidates don't seem to do this either. Or, if they do, they still answered in such a way to cause me not to support. –xeno (talk) 16:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

(EC) I've asked the question. It wont hurt and the user might learn something from reading xeno's RfA question's scenario. TBH, I'm really interested to see the candidates answer (should he choose to answer it, of course). John Sloan (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

That's a great reason to ask the question. Darkspots (talk) 16:49, 18 August 2008

• I've tweaked the page so that it can be easily subst'ed by others, using the following syntax

{{subst:User:Xenocidic/RFAQ|#|~~~ or other name link|Optional prefix text}}

happy questioning! ;> –xeno (talk) 17:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Just thought i'd let you know he gave a rather interesting answer to the question. John Sloan (talk) 21:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

FYI, Xeno, I stole your question too. :) Sorry! Haha. I put it on the newest RfA. Feel free to take a look. GlassCobra 11:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all - saves me the trouble. –xeno (talk) 11:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Rating an article

Hi. How do you rate an article that is not rated by its Wikiproject? (In other words, how do you rate an article that is just out there on its own?)
I can't find any instructions other than the ones to rate the article on its Wikiproject template. Thanks. SunDragon34 (talk) 23:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, articles without wikiprojects typically aren't assessed. see Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. the only suggestion would be to tag it with an appropriate wikiproject. what's the article? –xeno (talk) 23:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Scuba diving. It has a Wikiproject, but the Wikiproject template doesn't have an assessment feature. Does the template need to be fixed? SunDragon34 (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's something you might want to raise on the project talk page. Though it doesn't seem very active. –xeno (talk) 23:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

AfD creation automation

Hey Xeno. Sorry to seem "lazy" (it's actually usually a stupidity thing), but I used to have tabs up top that let me create an AfD with ease. After this recent spate of monobook changes, they seem to be gone. I went through the history, and I'm not sure what change fucked it up... any ideas? Tan ǀ 39 00:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

at the time I didn't use that tab, just import this with the other twinkle items:

importScript('User:AzaToth/twinklexfd.js');

cheers =) –xeno (talk) 00:20, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You rock. Tan ǀ 39 00:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

This

Is just hilarious! Shot info (talk) 00:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, glad you like it=) –xeno (talk) 03:01, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Question regarding warning

Is this warning for this edit out of place. I'm told it is, so if it in fact is unwarranted I tend to remove it. Landon1980 (talk) 02:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I think the edit did go a little far someone questioning the reliability of sources is not lying and to say so seems to ABF a little. Your warning perhaps shouldn't have mentioned anything about blocking but simply that he should try to remain calm, assume good faith and be civil. (Disclaimer: I've only done a very brief cursory overview of the situation) –xeno (talk) 02:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I suppose I shouldn't have mentioned blocking, the point I wanted to make was if he continued to be uncivil even after further warnings he could be blocked for it. The editor had also been edit warring recently, telling another editor he thought he owned the article every time he disagreed with him and so on. I was asking about the warning because he said it was misplaced and even warned me of NPA. So should I strike the mention of blocking or just move on? Landon1980 (talk) 02:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Just move on, imo. I guess what I was getting at was it's usually better to try a softer approach with a first warning, the same way the templated warnings increase with intensity. –xeno (talk) 02:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, makes sense. Thanks for your time. Landon1980 (talk) 03:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

:-)

Seen the light, eh? :P —Giggy 07:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's fun to take people away from adminy chores/writing an encyclopedia, so I'm afraid I'm going to trouble you to expand on why you've reversed your position ;) NuclearWarfare ^{contact me}_{My work} 07:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

@giggy - heh - yes. @nuclear I think I said it best here: [22] –xeno (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Blpocked

HANG and SHOOT Burnstar !
You have been Lifetime blocked from murdering in accordance with blocking policy for attempting to murder other users :-( by ****ing ,Eating their bones and drinking their blood [SECTION 144 OF PENAL CODE OF LAW; CANIBALISM]. Once the block has expired after your death, you are welcome from heaven or hell to make destructive contributions. If you believe this block is justified, you may eat,drink and then inject the block by adding the text {{block me as I am young to die|your sex & age here}} below.

Template jokeblock

OH SICK!!!!!!! WHO DID THIS? WELL NOT THAT SICK BUT GROSS< I DON"T GET THIS IS FUNNY--Spittlespat (talk) 18:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

ooops I dont think this is as funny. It has moderate humour Renaulte (talk) 04:41, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Re Is my signature up to standards ? E Renault Talk + 05:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Poor Humor, borderline on insulting   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 11:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Probably humour better placed on some forums, not wiki. Lympathy ^Talk 14:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Hey xeno do you think it's funny?(Maybe I guess I can go on Wikipedia sometimes--Spittlespat (talk) 00:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's probably inappropriate for Wikipedia. –xeno (talk) 00:30, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment

Ah, thanks for the tip about WP:BLANKING. My understanding was that messages could be removed, but formal admin templates (such as block messages) had to stay. I'd seen unblock templates restored in the past, and thought it applied to block messages as well. Thanks for clarifying! --Elonka 15:55, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I used to work from that incorrect assumption as well. Strange, but true. –xeno (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Did that answer your question?

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#To big to delete – iridescent 17:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

You mean the question from some weeks ago where you wouldn't spill the beans? =) Yes, I suppose. –xeno (talk) 17:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Soul patch

Please take a look at this. I believe the article is better in this state than what Pensil keeps doing. The image on the right isn't even a soul patch; it's a strip. Also, I discovered this. Let me know what you think. Enigma ^message 17:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I found an RS and left it on the talk page. –xeno (talk) 17:30, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Header

 Stolen
User:Washburnmav/header. Washburnmav (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

.oOo. technically there's not supposed to be a trailing pipe but to each his own i suppose!! =) p.s. I am slowing working on grading the permissions ass'n. –xeno (talk) 18:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

 fixed Washburnmav (talk) 18:13, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

by the way,  Fixed has its very own template, you don't need to use {{done|fixed}} =) –xeno (talk) 18:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Ever consider that I prefer a green check? hmm? How bout thinking about others for a change xeno?....sheesh. Washburnmav (talk) 18:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

=) –xeno (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Typical Xenocidic, always providing information for other people. Unbelievable. </joke> Useight (talk) 18:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

...because it would've read a lot differently without "</joke>" at the end. ;) Enigma ^message 18:59, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Account creator rights

I don't think I have recently given these rights to anyone, is there something you are talking about in particular? Prodego ^talk 21:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well the rights don't do anything unless you hit the CATPCHA, so I don't see any harm in giving them to anyone whom asks. Indeed, if anyone were to ask me for them, I would probably give them 'account creator' without a second thought. I have always assumed it should be given to anyone who asks. There is no policy on giving it out, to my knowledge, though WP:PERM gives a suggestion. Since it can do no harm, I see no reason not to give it to anyone who asks. Prodego ^talk 21:23, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Can you delete this

Hi Xeno! Can you delete this subpage of mine? I'm getting quite tired of it, and I don't really need it either. Chamal ^Talk 01:13, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done. In the future, feel free to just toss a {{db-userreq}} on there. –xeno (talk) 01:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I didn't tag it because I wasn't sure if userpages are supposed to be tagged for CSD. :) Chamal ^Talk 01:31, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem. WP:CSD#U1 is designed specifically for that =) –xeno (talk) 01:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

bocjag neerg

Has mr.green quit Wikipedia?--Spittlespat (talk) 01:29, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I dunno. I don't think so. He's been inactive for a long time though! I'm wondering if his school shut down access to Wikipedia. –xeno (talk) 01:43, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

He goes to school? Anyway Om my gosh! There are tons of mistake on Marie Curie I'm writing down a biography about Marie Curie and whoever made the article Marie Curie needs way more improvement!--Spittlespat (talk) 01:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC) p.s. You need to switch your status to online! =)--Spittlespat (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

helpme

Hi, just looked at the message you left at this user's talk page, thought this template might be of use to you in the future: {{subst:helpme-nq}}~~~~ —— RyanLupin • (talk) 13:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

cool, thanks. –xeno (talk) 13:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem —— RyanLupin • (talk) 13:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

one good tip deserves another, tls is great for displaying things like that... i.e. {{tls|helpme-nq}} = {{subst:helpme-nq}} –xeno (talk) 13:58, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I am in awe :D You have no idea how long it took me to draft out that simple message to you with all those <nowikis>. Thanks a lot —— RyanLupin • (talk) 14:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

heh =) no problem. also tlx is tl with paramaters and tlsx is tls with paramaters. ah, templates to display code for other templates, what will they think of next? =) –xeno (talk) 14:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

upgrades

see this you like?   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 13:49, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

heh - yea that's pretty cool. i also like how you had it preload stuff for your adoptees to update you on their asp's, i was planning on stealing that sooner or later. –xeno (talk) 13:50, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah go ahead, its a "wiki world" after all ;-). I already have my april fools day preloads planned out, see User_talk:Prom3th3an/preload2   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 13:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Update to User actor template

Thanks. I added a description of the new functionality. --Danorton (talk) 14:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...

If I knew how I'd give you a barnstar for improving my day with your comments here. Although, I don't really have a clue what the discussion itself is about the use of "gorram" IRL made me smile like a Cheshire cat. Thank you. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Can't stop the signal! =) –xeno (talk) 14:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Avril blocks

(Re [23]) Sorry, I've had it with these people. Using Twinkle to create hundreds of edit summaries that (1) viciously attack another editor and (2) contain a link to a browser-crashing obscene website is about as bad as it gets. Also, if you look at the contribution history of these IPs, they're all schools in England with nothing but vandalism and multiple prior blocks in their histories. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:36, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Need help with Fuel.

Can you do histmerge from this article to this article?. --SkyWalker (talk) 16:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done Merged into Fuel (2009 video game) per the naming conventions. –xeno (talk) 16:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Also replied here.

Thanks a lot Xena. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi I'm Washburn, and I used to be a vandal

Hmm it seems despite my best efforts to trump my addiction, I subconsciously did it anyway. Is there a vandals anonymous meeting I can attend? *Sigh* The first step is to admit you have a problem.... Washburnmav (talk) 16:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

heh... I wouldn't worry about it mang - You've made exceptional progress. Did I tell you the last guy I gave a 2nd chance to eventually came back to vandalize my userpage? –xeno (talk) 17:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, like we discussed before, was it really that hard to undo what he did after giving a second chance? The off chance that a constructive contributor could have come out of it was definitely worth the couple clicks it took to rv his next 2 edits and block him. His vandalism wasn't even nearly as bad as mine. Irony at its best. Washburnmav (talk) 17:08, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

No doubt. Just giving you a comparison =) –xeno (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

IOC

(Re [24]) Hello. Sure, go ahead. It seems to be non-controversial, just a technical issue. - Darwinek (talk) 18:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Oh gosh! Sorry for that, it was my mistake. I was just reviewing the category and it seems I accidentally pushed the "enter" button. I must stop using the IE. :) Sorry again. - Darwinek (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thanks for your interest

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Hi Xeno, just wanted to drop a quick thank you for your discussion to defend my proposal at the village pump. I appreciate it, especially the idea which you had to calm down the opposing admin. SoWhy 18:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

hey, no problem. it's a slam dunk idea, and i guess just needs some tweaks to please everyone =) –xeno (talk) 19:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, I need people to help me, we all do. You deserve the thanks because you provide that help without being asked :-) SoWhy 19:07, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

for accepting my request at AWB, but it looks like I won't be needing it after all. Thanks anyway for being helpful once again. --LordSunday 23:14, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Undelete image

Hi Xeno, Can you undelete Image:Arctic incident.jpg, I have found an article it can go in. Thanks, LegoK^ontribsT^alkM 23:19, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

 Done... it appears it was accidentally removed in this edit. –xeno (talk) 23:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Paramore

Hi Xeno, I need your help again if you don't mind. An editor is telling me that music reviews cannot be used because they are opinion pieces. Is this correct? The reviews in question are published by the Rolling stone, New York Times, etc. It is over the genre emo and consensus on the article is the genre is to be included. So if you can't use reviews from reliable, published, third-party sources such as these what can you? According to User:Something X using reviews are prohibited by WP:RS. Cheers, Landon1980 (talk) 03:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, the other sources I referred to are in a recent version of the article but not current, we removed some of them so not to clutter the infobox by citing emo with 3 or 4 sources. He is reverting my changes and I don't want to edit war over it. Landon1980 (talk) 03:24, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

This is the version of the article before the other two sources were removed so not to look cluttered. Landon1980 (talk) 03:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a reason why music reviews could not serve as a reliable source for a genre, ask him to point you to a guideline or maybe ask at WP:MUSICIANS. –xeno (talk) 03:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

He said that reviews violate the opinion piece of wp rs, and undue weight. I always thought reviews were actually preferred over databases, etc. Reviews from well known, third-party, published sources know for fact checking and accuracy are actually preferred aren't they? Landon1980 (talk) 03:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like he's grabbing at straws. Might want to ask someone who knows more about musician articles or raise it at WT:MUSICIANS, but it sounds quite dubious. –xeno (talk) 03:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll do that if he continues. As I said, consensus is that emo belogs in the article as it is properly sourced. I'm not sure what he wants me to use if not a review. Doesn't pretty much everything related to sourcing genres boil down to an opinion in the end? There are many databases that do label paramore as emo though, from what I've seen though reviews are always preferred. Is there some scientific procedure which determines musical genre that I am unaware of? Landon1980 (talk) 04:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm just guessing here, but I would bet that reviews make up a significant portion of the sourcing for music-related articles. –xeno (talk) 11:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that would depend on the information being sourced in question, however that is most definitely a legitimate source. The talk page for Paramore is a little confusing but if I'm reading it right the question is if the band can be qualified as 'emo'. If a legitimate music reviewer from BBC or New York Times defines them as so, this is definitely a reliable source and something to be included. Washburnmav (talk) 15:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Music reviews from established media--those with established editorial control, no WP:COI, and not an WP:SPS are good and should be used in the context of music articles. WP is supposed to filter out inexpert opinions, not opinions altogether! Jclemens (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh I agree completely, but try explaining that to User:Something X. Landon1980 (talk) 17:05, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair-USe images..

Thanks. Don't forget to check for TWINKLE captioning in articles :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:19, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Feedback

What do you think of this section? Seems like a somewhat long list, and it is kind of an eyesore. Is there a better way to format this/ should some be removed? Wanted a second opinion. Stalker opinions are of course also welcome (I know you're there...) Washburnmav (talk) 16:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps tablefy it? the minor /occasional band members don't seem particular notable for the main article though. Perhaps "List of Eric Clapton's band members" or something. –xeno (talk) 16:34, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Problematic user

[25] Warnings have been tried. He undoes them. Edit-warring across multiple pages. Enigma ^message 02:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for participation in User:Abd/RfC

Because my participation as a Wikipedia editor has been questioned, and if I continue as I have in the past, I can expect future challenges as well, I have begun a standing RfC in my user space, at User:Abd/RfC. There is also a specific incident RfC at User:Abd/RfC/8.11.08 block. I understand that you may not have time to participate directly; however, if you wish to be notified of any outcome from the general or specific RfC, or if you wish to identify a participant or potential participant as one generally trusted by you, or otherwise to indicate interest in the topic(s), please consider listing yourself at User:Abd/RfC/Proxy Table, and, should you so decide, naming a proxy as indicated there. Your designation of a proxy will not bind you, and your proxy will not comment or vote for you, but only for himself or herself; however, I may consider proxy designations in weighing comment in this RfC, as to how they might represent the general community. You may revoke this designation at any time. This RfC is for my own guidance as to future behavior and actions, it is advisory only, upon me and on participants. This notice is going to all those who commented on my Talk page in the period between my warning for personal attack, assumptions of bad faith, and general disruption, on August 11, 2008, until August 20, 2008. This is not a standard RfC; because it is for my advice, I assert authority over the process. However, initially, all editors are welcome, even if otherwise banned from my Talk space or from the project. Canvassing is permitted, as far as I'm concerned; I will regulate participation if needed, but do not spam. Notice of this RfC may be placed on noticeboards or wikiprojects, should any of you think this appropriate; however, the reason for doing this in my user space is to minimize disruption, and I am not responsible for any disruption arising from discussion of this outside my user space. Thanks for considering this. --Abd (talk) 02:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Xenocidic, Keeper76 not only declined your proxy, but he removed your entire line from the Proxy Table. Except for housekeeping, no editor should change a proxy assignment of another, without specific permission. You can, if you wish, delete the whole line, delete just the expression of general trust (the "proxy"), or assign another "nominee." No action is required; since Keeper76 has declined to participate, the proxy won't have any effect at all (it's only there to advise me). (Note also that you could name a different proxy and move your listing to the Do Not Contact section, as well.) But if you want to make a change, here is the page for your convenience: User:Abd/RfC/Proxy Table. And thanks. Every little bit helps. --Abd (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Better still, Xenocidic, you could ask Abd to respect the wishes of other editors who don't wish to participate in his experiments and democracy. Urge Abd to do the courteous and polite thing, and re-remove Keeper76 from his table; it does no good to anyone for Keeper's name to be there, and there's no reason for him to make both Keeper and you jump through hoops to satisfy his own made-up rules. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't know why TenOfAllTrades has to make it so complicated. Xenocidic made an edit to a page in my user space. Keeper76 removed it. That is generally not proper, period. "Jump through hoops?" Xenocidic could remove the line in a flash, and I made that easy, it's easier than asking me to do it. If it is left there, it does no harm. Explicitly, on that page, these "proxies" convey no right to act. (Otherwise, Keeper76 could have removed it as a proxy.... except that he declined the proxy, so it still would have been improper. The way I left it, a note shows that the proxy was declined.) Xenocidic chose to participate and nominated Keeper76 as his proxy, i.e., indicated general trust in Keeper76, for the purpose of advising me, if he doesn't do it himself, directly. Consider it a recommendation. The recommendation stands no matter what Keeper76 says or does. All Xenocidic would have to do, if he wants, for example, the removal by Keeper76 to stand, is say so, here or in any place where I see it. But the simplest thing to do would be to edit it to his own taste. And from what Keeper76 did, even if authorized, I have no idea what he'd intend. Remove just the proxy? I.e., leave the expression of general interest in being part of a virtual advisory panel (that Proxy Table is intended for a standing interest in advising a user who, it is claimed, is disruptive, and who is seeking such advice), which could mean I might occasionally ask his opinion? Name a different proxy? move his name to the Do Not Contact list, with or without naming a proxy? Or remove it entirely?

This is, indeed, an experimental process, though it is fully within what guidelines allow, I believe. If anyone disagrees, WP:DR awaits us. It starts with discussion, right? Or does it start with a small group of administrators deciding that what they think is Wikipedia policy? I really don't know the answer to that question, and I'd like to find out. Tell me, which would be more disruptive, what I'm doing or a formal RfC on, say, Jehochman?--Abd (talk) 16:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I made it very clear that I don't want my name associated with your bizarre use of userspace. On my talkpage, on your subpage, and directly to Xeno. I believe that he has know removed my name if you in fact put it back there. (I haven't looked). As to your last question "which would be more disruptive, what I"m doing or a formal RfC", I ask you a return set of questions. Why are there only two choices? Why are there different degrees of disruption in your mind? Why not just let it go? I happen to watchlist a variety of pages that you've spammed with your grandstandish verbosity. I have not come across even one that didn't reply to you with a "move on, Abd" in some way or another. Perhaps that is your answer that you are seeking? Let me know if you want your usersubpages speedy deleted per user request, I'll be happy to oblige to assist you in moving on. Keeper ǀ 76 16:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. Xeno, your pleasure? At your service. --Abd (talk) 16:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I've left his name in a hidden comment, to keep a record of the proxy that was declined. That should be a fair compromise. –xeno (talk) 17:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

This was intended to be a very simple list, without comments (except a brief "note" at the end). While this particular list will probably be short, if it got long, I'd want it in simple form for a database. I don't want two classes of proxies, that is, open and hidden. So, yes, I know that you trust Keeper76, and I moved your comment (and his) to Talk for the Proxy Table, leaving only your user name in the Proxy Table, bare, with the timestamp. And I sincerely thank you for indicating interest in what I'm doing, even if it is apparently quite skeptical or pessimistic. The listing creates no obligation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abd (talk • contribs) 22:23, August 22, 2008 (UTC)

Best of luck with this Abd. I do see how it works in theory, but in practice it is way too process-heavy for a project like Wikipedia, especially with so many ever-changing and diversant outlooks on a particular situation. I'd be happy to discuss this with you some day outside the confines of the U/RFC. Until that time, feel free to ask for clarification on any of my statements I made during the event, but I will not be actively participating. –xeno (talk) 14:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Category based Bot Tagging

Hi there, I hope you remember expressing serious concerns regarding category based WikiProject tagging by bots here. I made this FAQ list which tries to answer some of your concerns. Let me know if you have any questions . Thanks -- Tinu Cherian - 11:37, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I just made the suggestion that the discussion be subpaged to prevent load on BON. But I'll take a look at the FAQ anyways. cheers, –xeno (talk) 12:27, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the edits, it works perfectly. It could not believe how easy you made it looked, yet I could not work it out. Thanks again :-D -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 17:53, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

You're not the first one to be amazed by xeno's ingeniousnessnessnessness :P —— RyanLupin • (talk) 18:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Will You

Will you adopt me?--Master of Pies (talk) 23:21, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

can i take the exam on vandalism?--Master of Pies (talk) 00:42, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I am done. Go to the user subpage.--Master of Pies (talk) 01:06, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I probably won't get a chance to look until the morning. Feel free to look over or do any of the others in the mean time. –xeno (talk) 01:10, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

• To talk page stalkers: you were right about this one. –xeno (talk) 15:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, User:Tombomp was 100% right about this guy right from the start! Next time i'll listen to him first and assume good faith second! Nice one Tom :-) John Sloan (talk) 15:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Once Tombomp suggested it, I was 99% sure and when Master of Pies responded, I was 100% sure. (He talked about Genius like he knew exactly who he was, rather than saying something like "huh? who is genius?"). –xeno (talk) 15:27, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Now i'm glad he's indefblocked and gone forever [26], what a fool! He probably would have been unblocked with a promise to behave! What a crap day this has been :-( -- Sorry for using this page to vent! John Sloan (talk) 23:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Looks like that diff's been oversighted. –xeno (talk) 23:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

If by oversighted you mean deleted, you're right! Hersfold (quite rightly), deleted the talkpage and redirected it to the main were there is a sock notice. John Sloan (talk) 23:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

ah, yes, you're right, i see the deleted contribs. –xeno (talk) 23:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Adoption Center

I noticed my edit count is grossly underestimated in the adoption center :P Washburnmav (talk) 19:45, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Aye, that's updated not very regularly. Feel free to update it as you hit milestones. –xeno (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Can has nowlej?

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner; I was at the New York state fair yesterday... As to your question, I dunno man. I'm not sure if it's possible to fix it without modifying the MediaWiki software. The problem is the server is parsing the "=" symbol to its ASCII hexadecimal value of "3d" when it processes the internal link (MediaWiki apparently urlencodes all internal links before rendering the html) and at the same time, the server won't recognize a link to a page such as http://pinataisland.info/viva/Arocknid#tab%3dTV_show where the "=" is replaced with "%3d" because the "=" in this case is part of a server-side command ($_GET) that is processed before the "%3d" is parsed to display the "=". The only way I can think of to get around it is to use the full url of the tab. (GAAAA!!!!!!) sorry man, but I can't figure out any other way to get it to work. If it would help you, here's a link to the MediaWiki source code that parses internal links. Thingg^⊕⊗ 20:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Source

Resolved

 – Without xenvention. –xeno (talk)

Is this a reliable source?? Washburnmav (talk) 22:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

As its a blog, I would certainly say that its not a reliable source! Happy editing :-) John Sloan (talk) 22:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Washburn, WP:RS specifically mentions blogs as an example of what would not count as reliable sources. GlassCobra 22:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, look at GlassCobra there, showing off with your clever wikilink! Why did'nt I think of that!? To all, Have a nice day! :D John Sloan (talk) 22:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ya, I kinda knew. I just really wanted it to be one. Damn. Finding sources for good content is my least favorite thing. Ugh. Washburnmav (talk) 22:21, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Amen to that Washburn! John Sloan (talk) 22:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Status

A few questions (well, mostly the same question!) -- How do I get one of those status things at the top of the talk page? And, how does it work? Do you have to update it manually? Does a bot update it? Thanks John Sloan (talk) 22:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

{{Statustop}} (see documentation) and the following monobook:

importScript('User:Xenocidic/statusChanger2.js'); 

the buttons will be at the top "online" "around" "busy" "offline", you can customize these somehow. let me know if you need any help. Create Special:Mypage/status with the word "online". –xeno (talk) 00:13, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

• This is great xeno! Thanks alot :-) -- I do have one more question however, how do I make the fifth status option "sleeping"? John Sloan (talk) 00:53, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, found it! Again, thanks for the wonderful tool. You are a wikigenius! John Sloan (talk) 00:59, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

John, there is some way to pass parameters directly to the .js that will provide an option for "sleep" (and actually any other statuses you want). I'm just not sure how to sort that out. Maybe a kind user can help us. –xeno (talk) 14:29, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusList) == 'undefined') {
      statusChangerConfig.statusList = [ 'online', 'busy', 'around', 'offline' ];

^ this piece of code is what provides a user-definited statuslist. but I'm not sure what the end-user writes in their monobook to define it. –xeno (talk) 14:30, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry for late reply xeno, but I only just noticed this. I've added User:TheDJ/Qui to my monobook. It replaced the around option with sleep. Again, thanks for all your wonderful help :-) John Sloan (talk) 23:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Funny!

Hey xeno, this tickled my funny bone! You may wish to add it to your list of funnies :D -- Good day :-) John Sloan (talk) 21:35, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, that one is pretty funny but it took me a minute to figure out what was going on. –xeno (talk) 14:16, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

CMR

You know someones been adding CMR to alot of pages latly such as WP:BITE and WP:CVU. They have gotton it from my userspace because they have copied and pasted my dodgy syntax where variable 2 of the cquote template is Xenocidic. Just though you'd be chuffed ;)   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 12:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

heh, cool. glad it's being propagated! –xeno (talk) 13:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

secret page!

It's on my userpage so start looking!--Spittlespat (talk) 01:39, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

• Special:PrefixIndex/User:Spittlespat → User:Spittlespat/anthill. –xeno (talk) 02:23, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You kinda of spiled my secret page...--Spittlespat (talk) 22:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

next time

How about trying to find my page without cheating?--Spittlespat (talk) 22:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Secret pages add no value to the encyclopedia. –xeno (talk) 22:19, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a thought, Spittlespat. You don't use a lot of edit summaries. So the automatic edit summary from creating your secret page was a little obvious: [27]. Try setting your preferences to always use an edit summary. Darkspots (talk) 22:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Contribs

Is there a faster way to view someones contribs? Obviously some have subpages with it and whatnot but right now the only real way I have to view a user's or ip's contribs is to type the Special:Contributions/their name in my browser which is pretty slow. Sometimes names pop up with 'name(talk-contribs') but not often. Is there a faster way to do this, or a shortcut of some type? Washburnmav (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

<--- On the left there are two boxes under the search bar. The first one is interaction and the other is toolbox'. In the toolbox there is a button called User contributions, press that. (Note: This only works while you're on a users userpage or user talkpage) - Happy editing :-) John Sloan (talk) 17:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

You could enable navigation popups in my preferences => Gadgets. With those you can hover over a link to an user's userpage and select user => contributions (as well as edit count and suchlike). SoWhy 17:05, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool, both helpful tips. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 17:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Re the last couple questions I have asked xeno, I believe the score is:

Team	Score
Talk Page Stalkers	2
Xeno	0

hehe. By the way, did I mention I learned how to make tables? Washburnmav (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Nice job =). As for the TPS'ers beating me to questions... I've been helping out at another wiki a bit, that's probably why... ;p –xeno (talk) 14:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

We just love Xeno so much that we want to keep people from bothering him unnecessarily *blatant-sucking-up* ;-) SoWhy 14:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Paramore

Hey Xeno, I need your help on this article. The same user is still deleting emo from the genres. He/she has atempted to remove emo for several months now. This is the same user that said reviews may not be used. Consensus on the article is that emo belongs. Consensus is also that reviews may be used on the thread the user started on the reliable source noticeboard. Several editors have warned this user about this. User:Neon white left him a warning as well and here is his response to the warning. This user has received warnings for personal attacks and for blanking in the past. Will you take a look and take whatever action you see appropriate? Landon1980 (talk) 17:25, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, maybe he will listen to an admin. Landon1980 (talk) 17:57, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Picture help

Hey there Xeno. I was just wondering, exactly how do you upload pictures onto your userpage (or articles even)? I took some pictures of various F1 cars and I just wanted to display them on my userpage. Plus, is there anyway I can stop others from 'stealing' the pictures and claiming that they took them instead? Thanks if you have the time to respond :-) A Prodigy^Talk 17:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The toolbox on the left under the search bar should have an 'upload file' tab, click it and then follow the instructions. Landon1980 (talk) 17:38, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Landon. Prodigy, any pictures you upload will need to be licensed, you could use cc-by-sa which I believe means that anyone who uses the images has to properly attribute them. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for more. –xeno (talk) 17:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks alot both of you. A Prodigy^Talk 10:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: subst thingy

I'm pretty sure it is impossible. I tried the following in my sandbox: {{#ifeq: {{{t|no}}} | yes |{{User:Xenocidic/UBX/{{{1}}}|{{{2}}} }}| {{subst:User:Xenocidic/UBX/{{{1}}}{{!}}{{{2}}}}} }} and it works, sort of. {{subst:User:Thingg/sandbox|Xbox Live|thingg}} produces:

LIVE	This user plays on Xbox Live, with the gamertag thingg.

Unfortunately, the above code does this by producing the following wikitext: {{#ifeq: yes | yes |{{User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live|thingg }}| {{subst:User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live{{!}}thingg}} }}, which shows the correct userbox, but doesn't give you the correct wikitext. Also, {{User:Thingg/sandbox|Xbox Live|thingg}} simply produces the text "{{subst:User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live|thingg}}" without actually including the code from {{User:Xenocidic/UBX/Xbox Live}}. It appears you can't "double substitute". :/ Anyway, thanks for the challenge. I always enjoy wrapping my brain around stuff, even when I fail. Thingg^⊕⊗ 19:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that would work. Just out of curiosity, what are you doing with it? Thingg^⊕⊗ 19:55, 25 August 2008

*Is very curious as to what Xeno's gamertag is* —— RyanLupin • (talk) 23:48, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

shouldn't be too hard to figure out... ;> –xeno (talk) 14:11, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

hi

i was wondering could u help me out with my article --Daisy404 (talk) 20:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)daisy404--Daisy404 (talk) 20:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Daisy. I'd be happy to help you with your article as soon as you can point me to a reliable source that indicates why this individual is notable. Please note that self published sources such as personal web sites, blogs, and press releases do not count towards establishing the notability of a subject. –xeno (talk) 14:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

perception of unequal treatment

This decision of yours bothers me, and is the main reason I have stopped contributing to en.wp. The reason it bothers me is that two sides in a dispute were not treated equally, and I would like to give you a chance to explain. This is what I saw:

• User:Thunderbird2 makes 3 reverts in a 24 hr period [28] [29] [30] and is blocked without warning
• User:Fnagaton makes 5 reverts in two 24 hr periods [31] [32] [33] [34] [35] and is neither blocked nor warned.

I repeat what I said then that the intention of my reverts was to take the dispute to the talk page, where it could be discussed and resolved without disruption to the article. If you see that as edit-warring that is fair enough. What I cannot understand is the unequal treatment. How do you justify it? Thunderbird2 (talk) 12:23, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Put simply, your edits repeatedly added unwanted tags against the consensus of three other editors, the editors being myself, Greg and SWTPC. Looking at the edit comments of the other two editors (for example "There is no problem with the citation, please stop being disruptive") it is clear you were adding those tags against consensus. Since you were reverted by three editors and continued to edit war assumption of good faith doesn't apply here. Read Wikipedia:3rr#Unwanted_edits to find out about why. You can also read Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types_of_vandalism and go to the part starting with "Abuse of tags". As you probably know reverting vandalism (which your edits are) do not count towards 3RR. Therefore my reverts of your edits do not count towards 3RR. Fnagaton

• Hrm, I'm sorry that you feel that way Thunderbird, but I was only reviewing the unblock request. I reviewed your actions and your actions alone, and did not look at other side; this would have been the responsibility of the blocking admin. However, if you do feel that I, or another admin, has made an error in judgment or the fulfillment of my duties, please raise a discussion at the administrators' noticeboard for further outside opinions. I do not wish to see you stop contributing to Wikipedia, and encourage you to continue to do so, but all of us must realize that at some point, we may be at odds with consensus and just have to accept that fact. I've been there; it's frustrating, but in the end just look at the big picture and find something else to do. Feel free to ask for further clarification on any of the above. Best regards, –xeno (talk) 14:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your explanation. You seem to be saying that you treated us unequally because the rules require you to do so, which doesn't make me feel any more inclined than I was before to continue editing. The blocking admin appears to have been responding to an accusation that I had made 5 reverts in 24 hrs. That is pure fiction, but if taken at face value, I can see why he acted in the way he did. But if the reviewing admin is not permitted to take the more complete picture I provided into account, the unfairness of the situation is institutionalised. Or are you saying that the blocking admin should have investigated the situation more thoroughly before acting?
  • A final question, raised by Fnagaton's intervention above: How should I respond to his accusation of vandalism?
  • Thunderbird2 (talk) 18:42, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, that's not quite what I said... what I said was that in reviewing an unblock request only the actions of the blockee are taken into account. I don't have time at present to review the situation thoroughly and determine if any other parties should have been blocked as well or if your edits can be reasonably construed as vandalism. I will try to take a look tonight, but this complaint is really best raised with the blocking admin or WP:AN (I can initiate these discussions if you like), as I was simply reviewing the block which in and of itself appeared sound to me at the time of my review. I do recall taking about 10-15 minutes reviewing it before declining and determining that it did indeed meet the definition of edit warring. Again, I would be saddened for this to be the straw that made you leave Wikipedia, and I know nothing at all of binary number theory so I can't really help with mediating that content dispute, but just remember that when your opinion is of the minority, sometimes you just have to move on to more fruitful endeavours. –xeno (talk) 18:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

You’re right, of course. That isn’t exactly what you said, but isn’t it an inevitable consequence of looking at only half of the picture?

Don’t let Fnagaton mislead you into believing I was editing against consensus. There were two other editors (Tom94022 and Shreevatsa) who agreed with my interpretation and two others (Greg_L and Swtpc6800) who agreed with Fnagaton. Greg_L’s bullying tactics put off Tom94022 and Shreevatsa, leaving a false impression of consensus on the page. You probably suspect that there is more to this dispute than meets the eye, and there is. It is just the tip of an iceberg, so I will try to give you a feel for the sense in which this was the last straw for me.

Greg_L has used this approach previously, and Greg_L & Fnagaton work closely together to achieve their objectives (so closely that they vote on each other’s behalf when one is offline, providing virtual 24-hr coverage between them), accusing of disruption those who dare to challenge them. Greg_L is the rudest editor I have ever encountered on wp, and his incivility continues with impunity. My main motivation for editing on wp, I believe in common with most other editors, is that it is enjoyable and relaxing. But, believe me, it is no fun dealing with these two, so where is the motivation for me to continue?

Omegatron once tried to reign in Greg_L’s behaviour at WP:MOSNUM by means of this RfC, but it has made no difference. My request for mediation at mosnum was turned down, as far as I can tell because Greg_L & Fnagaton, unsurprisingly, do not wish to see any mediation. Omegatron was driven away from mosnum by Greg_L and Fnagaton, and has been inactive for some time. He has now left the project altogether. He was disillusioned for much the same reasons as I am.

If you really wish to encourage me to stay, one way to do so would be to find someone prepared to mediate here. I do not plan to take this up at WP:AN myself (Omegatron tried that route also and it came to nothing, and anyway, I would not know what to write), but I have no objection to you doing so, if you think you can achieve something. Actually I would appreciate it. It is high time the antics of Greg_L & Fnagaton were investigated. Thunderbird2 (talk) 22:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Xenocidic, everything Thunderbird2 has written above is misrepresentation wrapped up in something that on the surface might seem reasonable. However after reading the RfC and mediation request and all of the referenced attached evidence, as User:Headbomb points out and other editors all agree, there is nothing to mediate because Thunderbird2 is just trying to forum shop to try to get his own refuted weak minority point of view inserted into a guideline. The reason why I don't agree with the mediation is that I do not agree with Thunderbird2's attempts to abuse the process and because the fault entirely rests with Thunderbird2 being completely unreasonable and failing to accept consensus. I firmly believe the efforts of those dealing with the mediation process is important to Wikipedia and that their valuable time and effort is better spent on real problems rather than the obviously fallacious request made by Thunderbird2. I think Thunderbird2 should be punished for trying to waste everyone's time and because Thunderbird2's editing pattern has become disruptive to Wikipedia and Wikipedia process. Of course I don't mind Thunderbird2 having his opinion, what I do mind is that Thunderbird2 is misrepresenting the situation in many different forums to try to get his own way. (Again WP:POINT#Refusal to 'get the point' covers this behaviour.) Thunderbird2 has consistently failed to support his point of view with substantive arguments in all of the related talk archives. The situation with Omegatron is that he tried and failed to abuse the RfC process to remove editors who disagreed with him. Read Tony's latest comments to Greg's RfC because it explains a lot of the situation. Omegatron failed to get his own way and now Omegatron has quit, it is churlish of Omegatron and Thunderbird2 to try to blame other editors for Omegatron quitting when actually the fault entirely rests with Omegatron's bad behaviour and abuse of process. As you might have figured out Thunderbird2 is basically "pro-IEC binary prefixes". Headbomb is an editor who personally likes and uses IEC binary prefixes, however it is also a fact that Headbomb has repeatedly demonstrated exactly how fallacious Thunderbird2's position is and also Headbomb has stated that the arguments deprecating IEC on Wikipedia make sense. My point being that when someone who personally likes IEC disagrees with Thunderbird2 then it demonstrates just how weak and fallacious Thunderbird2's arguments are. In conclusion there is no good reason to accept weak fallacious points of view in Wikipedia guidelines or policies. Fnagaton 03:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• Xenocidic, please note the number of “Binary” archives in the upper right-hand corner here on WT:MOSNUM. There are fourteen archives devoted to this one single issue of binary prefixes since Wikipedia’s failed experiment with the IEC prefixes was first implemented three years ago. Allowing the use of the IEC prefixes was the least successful, most bitterly fought issue in the history of MOSNUM. This whole issue was borne of nothing more than a battle between those who thought that Wikipedia should lead the by example in its adoption of the IEC’s prefix proposal even though no computer manufacturer on the planet uses them when communicating to a general-interest audience. On the other side of the fence was the editors who realized Wikipedia communicates best when it uses the same language, terminology, and unit symbols that are employed by all the general-interest computer magazines (and the computer manufacturers and manufacturers and sellers of aftermarket RAM). The arguments of the pro-IEC prefix crowd were considered and soundly rejected by the majority. MOSNUM is a much quieter place now and Wikipedia is much better off as a result of the new guideline. Were we to go back to what Thunderbird2 wants, there will be a 28th “Binary” archive three years from now. This issue is settled. He just isn’t accepting that reality. Greg L (talk) 03:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the layman's translation of this dispute Greg, that's helpful. Thunderbird, I will initiate an AN thread to determine if there was any abuse of process in the blocking and subsequent unblock reviews: AN probably isn't the best place to continue the actual dispute about binary numbers, but perhaps it might rouse up an impartial 3RO for you. –xeno (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

• Thread here: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive248#Requesting a review of my decline of an unblock request. –xeno (talk) 13:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The issue is not settled as GregL would have u believe. An alternate view is that GregL and Fnagaton act in concert, avoiding the 3RR rule, but suppressing discussion of IEC Binary Prefixes in any and all relevant articles. A number of editors feel it is inappropriate to deprecate these prefixes but are unable to even put a dissent tag on an article. If you carefully examine this incident you will see a number of reverts by this cabal all acting to suppress discussion while breaking the intent but not the literal rule of WP:3RR. This is certainly not making Wikipedia much better off. BTW, you can expect a response from one or both of them, typically twice as long, repeating a series of falsehoods, misrepresentations, and/or non sequiturs. I won't waste the time or space responding, but I would appreciate any advice as to how to we get to civil discussion of this issue. Tom94022 (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

If mediation was refused, I think WP:RFC is the next appropriate step. –xeno (talk) 23:14, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I see that the editors at AN are all saying you followed the rules, but I don't see anyone addressing the question of fairness (in the sense of equal treatment of equal sins), which for me was the important point. Thanks for trying, anyway. By the way, as I was feeling harrassed by Fnagaton, I thought I might learn something useful by trawling through his recent edit history. I discovered, amongst other things, that he has twice accused me of sockpuppetry,09:01, 19 July 2008 & 01:12, 27 August 2008 - thus strengthening my feeling of harrassment - without having informed me on either occasion. More to the point here though, the search confirmed my suspicions that he reported 5 reverts, one of which is pure fabrication. (Of the other 4, 3 are clear reverts and the 4th is debatable - but we've been through that). What I also discovered is that he used this diff as evidence that I knew about the 3RR rule. The edit is a warning by Fnagaton to an IP editor, on my talk page, but it gives the false impression that I had being warned previously for infringing 3RR. It's hard to imagine that he did not do so deliberately. Anyway, the admin swallowed the bait and the rest is history. Is there anything more that can be done now? Thunderbird2 (talk) 00:27, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Your block is fair because your edits are an abuse of tags as per the vandalism guideline link I gave earlier. As per the regulations for reporting sock puppets I don't have to notify you of the sock puppetry case until I have finished gathering evidence and I have filed it. The case against you that I am editing is still at stage 3 "Make your case" read here for the procedure and you will see stage 4 is "List your case for review" and stage 5 is "Notify the suspected users". The question about 3RR is not that you have been warned of 3RR but rather than you are aware of 3RR and obviously before the 3RR violation was filed against you you are aware of 3RR. Unless you wish to now claim that you knew nothing about 3RR before I filed the report? Fnagaton 03:26, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Xenocidic (reacting now to the notion of yet another WP:RFC), the only reason Fnagaton and I are lightning rods for T-bird’s wrath is we are active in keeping a watch on his edits to keep articles being turned into soapboxes for his advocacy of the IEC prefixes. We have no magic abilities to limit what is discussed on WT:MOSNUM and both Tom94022 and Thunderbird2 can make a pitch to change our guidelines anytime they like. Fnagaton, Headbomb, and I all worked like slaves for 81 days to arrive at a consensus opinion on WT:MOSNUM. In particular, Headbomb’s work should serve as the very paradigm of how discussion, debate, finding common ground, consensus building, polling, and voting should be conducted on Wikipedia. Now…

  Given all that effort—and in addressing where T-bird should next go—it should come as no surprise that none of the three of us relish the notion of going into mediation. Why? Because compromise solutions are often the result in mediation. “Split-the-baby-down-the-middle” compromises were tried with the binary prefixes for much of the last three years and the result was that some articles used the unfamiliar and baffling “mebibyte” (MiB) whereas still other articles used the conventional terms like “megabyte” (MB). That was no way for an encyclopedia to operate—the term “megabyte” had a different meaning in different articles and even the proponents of the IEC prefixes agreed that they were entirely unfamiliar to the typical reader.

  Now, several times in a variety of venues (T-bird forum-shops all over the place on this issue), I’ve challenged him not to mediation but to various forms of binding arbitration. My first challenge was here, where I suggested that we simply conduct a new huge, Wikipedia-wide vote on the issue and would have the debate and voting monitored by a three-member panel of arbitrators, who would merely ride herd to ensure the entire process was fairly conducted. In later challenges to T-bird and/or Tom94022, I proposed that the binding arbiters merely review the entire process that Headbomb did a Herculean effort overseeing (B11, B12, and B13), and simply rule whether or not it was properly and fairly conducted.

  Headbomb, Fnagaton, and I, between us, have probably 60 man-hours invested in responding to T-bird in the various forums ever since the new MOSNUM guideline was adopted. No rule in a decent and civilized society requires this much leaning backwards for one editor who simply won’t let go. How many additional hoops should the Wikipedia community have to jump through? May I draw your attention to something? Over the course of a single, fourteen-hour period, T-bird made 74 edits to his sandbox, where he maintains a list of articles “damaged” because they no longer use the IEC prefixes. It even has a list of 56 incidences of “harassment.” And now he is saying he will no longer participate in en.wp because—really—he’s simply not getting his way. This is beginning to look like an unhealthy obsession.

  I would propose that rather than inviting T-bird yet another forum to exploit (WP:RFC), that you simply invite him to go to WT:MOSNUM and propose that we convert all of Wikipedia to the IEC prefixes. This is in keeping with Dweller’s philosophy of “What consenting mathematicians get up to behind closed doors is their business, but please don't do it in public.” The proposal would be simple: all articles would only use “kibibyte” (KiB) and “mebibyte” (MiB) for denoting binary memory. It wouldn’t matter if no other general-interest magazine uses such terminology, Wikipedia will Lead the way to a brighter and better future via example.®™© And we’d be more consistent than we’ve ever been before. When we are in edit mode on an article, up at top, it would say “This page is 76 kibibytes long.” Editors can teach their spell checkers to ignore these terms, since all spell checkers flag the IEC prefixes as unrecognizable and the latest Microsoft dictionary of computer terms (print edition) doesn’t have them either. Headbomb, Fnagaton, and I would be free to speak up too on WT:MOSNUM, but largely, we’ll try to let others respond to his proposal. I’m hoping you will see just how well received Thunderbird’s proposal will be. If he won’t “let it go” after that, I would submit that it is time to start dealing with T-bird in a way that decisively goes to the heart of the problem. There… another post because of T-bird. Make that 60.75 man-hours. Greg L (talk) 00:43, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• Xeno, please review these two edits by Headbomb [36] [37] because normally Headbomb has the patience of a saint and personally likes IEC, however Headbomb's edits go to show just how long Thunderbird2 has been carrying on this tactic of refusing to answer questions and provide substantive arguments. Could you please have a word with Thunderbird2 to get him to stop using his talk page sand box to misrepresent the situation and using it to harass myself and other editors? His recent actions of traweling my edits and taking lots of quotes out of context and misrepresenting them is uncomfortable unwanted attention from this user who refuses to accept consensus. Fnagaton 03:13, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• I also note this latest misrepresentation by Thunderbird2 and demand he retract such an untrue accusation. The fact is that Thunderbird2 maintaining his version of events (most of it misrepresentation) on his talk page sand box and also maintaining a list of my edits and edits of other editors demonstrates that in fact Thunderbird2 is guilty of violating that link he posted. Also as Tom has just written with his edit he intends to "from now on I will carefully watch for unwarranted reverts by those two and support an editor trying to have a dialog.", which is actually in violation of that harassment and stalking link Thunderbird2 just posted. Just so you are clear Tom/Thunderbird2 it is harassment to declare that you will follow editors around Wikipedia with the objective of opposing them. This is yet more evidence of your bad behaviour Tom/Thunderbird2. Fnagaton 09:45, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject newsletter delivery

Hi Xeno. Can you do a newsletter delivery for WikiProject New Jersey for me? If so, the current issue is at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Newsletter/20080826 and the delivery list is at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Newsletter/Signup. Thanks. Jim Miller ^{See me | Touch me} 15:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

sure thing! right after lunch. –xeno (talk) 16:25, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Your expertise is required requested

Hey, check out the current discussion on the request an account talk page, we've having trouble trying to amend the acc template, regards —— RyanLupin • (talk) 08:35, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Commented there. Thanks for the heads up. –xeno (talk) 16:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I have that page watchlisted so I've already read your response. Your preference of removing the flag 'quietly' sounds very logical and so now, I don't think amending the template is a very good idea :P —— RyanLupin • (talk) 16:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

No doubt. As far as I know, the people I removed it from haven't noticed, and if they have, they haven't said anything. =) –xeno (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Request for Rollback

Hi Xeno

Would you mind giving me rollback right? I've mostly been fighting vandals recently and that would really be a big help for it. Since my english is not too good to really contribute with much article content (lacking all those fancy special expressions one needs to use to write high-level encyclopaedic articles...), that's one thing I can help out with quite well. I've had over 300 edits here, I also have more than 4000 Edits on dewiki and I do have "editor" rights there (which includes rollback). --PaterMcFly (talk) 15:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure. =) Just remember that it's used for blatant vandalism only. –xeno (talk) 16:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I do know that it must only be used for vandalism. I don't have twinkle (since I'm still using IE and they say it's not working that way), so it will be very helpful. --PaterMcFly (talk) 21:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Request

Xeno, would you mind deleting this page? It is a unnecessary page that is now a redirect to Vijendra Kumar. The IP creator has requested its deletion here. Thanks. Washburnmav (talk) 19:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a perfectly reasonable redirect... if it was misspelled or something, deletion would be understandable... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:19, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

I suppose, don't they (meaning pages with diff capitalization i.e. Eric clapton-> Eric Clapton) already redirect automatically? I don't really know this stuff I was just forwarding an IP's request. Washburnmav (talk) 19:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Mediawiki does automatically pick up on incorrect case, but since the redirect is already in place, there's no harm in leaving it lying around (and leaving it there actually takes up less space because we don't create an entry in the deletion log). –xeno (talk) 19:34, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks to both of you. Washburnmav (talk) 19:45, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

History merge

Hi Xenocidic. I posted a request on Philip's talk page and then saw your post on that same page about Proposal to discourage pagemove archiving. I didn't realize that this was controversial and do not know the ins and outs of the issue. I requested that the history of the archive pages for "Talk:List of events named massacres" be merged back into the main talk page (back into "Talk:List of events named massacres"). The history merge request is posted here. Since you seem to know the ins and outs of the issue, I think it would help to have your comments at the request. If you have a chance, please consider commenting here. Thanks. Suntag (talk) 19:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Replied there. –xeno (talk) 19:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

For a fair and equal Wikipedia

Hello! In case you care of Wikipedia being fair and equal for anyone, you can pronounce at Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Image:Velasquez, Vosloo.jpg about an image that I uploaded, and later deleted, and for using this image I was blocked in Wikipedia. Seeing the blocker contributions, I found a similar image with similar propose and it wasn't delete neither the uploader blocked. I'm feeling discriminated in Wikipedia. Hoping you can help me, regards, Sdrtirs (talk) 13:24, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Please review the guidelines at WP:CANVASS before posting many more of these messages. –xeno (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

xeno, sorry to jump in here...

Sdrtirs, Just curious , you were blocked for uploading an image ? -- Tinu Cherian - 13:39, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

i would like a copy of my page

I made the page Zachary David Pressley, I know it was complete nonsense but i needed to save a copy of my story somewhere where i could retrieve it later. I did not know about Sandbox at the time so if you could please send my a copy of that page i would greatly appreciate it. Absentzach (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Pasting it to your talk page. –xeno (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

page moves

Thank you for handling recovery from the page vandalistic moves by Cyberdemon4. There appears to be one move left to undo, namely Good bacteria (& its talk page). I tried doing it myself, but lack the experience and/or proper tools. It awaits your attention. Hertz1888 (talk) 19:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

no problem. and thanks ... Gut flora is already back in its original location, I've redirected "good bacteria" there, in theory it's a useful redirect. –xeno (talk) 19:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

List of Stratocaster players

Could you offer your opinion on the grammar in the above article? It has been nommed for FL status but is encountering resistance as the list entries are not technically complete sentences. I believe personally that it reads well, and it follows the same format as the FL List of Telecaster players. Apparently there are also similar published lists that follow this format. The discussion can be found here and a little here. Stalker opinions are also welcome. Washburnmav (talk) 18:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Featured content isn't really my area of expertise, but can't the sentences be unfragmented? Even though it would become a very repetitive ("...use(s)(d) a stratocaster."). –xeno (talk) 13:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Xeno, can you re-instate my ACCT rights back on my account? I will be using it more often now. Thanks. --eric (mailbox) 04:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

eric, the ACC flag is not required to create accounts and is typically only granted to users who are participating in the ACC process and have hit the account creation throttle at least once. feel free to ask me or at WP:RFPERM once you are coming up against the throttle. –xeno (talk) 13:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Jewish Newsletter

Hi Xeno-
Well, it's been a month and it's time again for the Jewish Newsletter to be delivered. Shep hasn't edited in a few days so I'm not sure he will be able to have Shepbot deliver it. Can Xenobot do it again this time? Tonight would be great but I understand if that's not enough notice. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 18:19, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure can. Is it ready to go out? –xeno (talk) 18:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Not as of right this minute but I'm working on it. I seriously procrastinated this month. However, it will be done by tonight. Thanks- L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 18:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay! Done. The newsletter is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Judaism/Newsletter (substed please) and the delivery list is here: User:L'Aquatique/wpjewlist (note the multiple sections). Anytime today or tonight would be perfect! Rav todot, L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 20:24, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Wait, wait! There's a typo in the version in your sandbox that I had updated apparently after you copied over! It's issue III not II. L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 20:42, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, k, that's easy enough to fix. –xeno (talk) 20:44, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your help! L'Aquatique[approves|this|message] 22:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

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