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Page Curation newsletter

Hey Yunshui. This will be, if not our final newsletter, one of the final ones :). After months of churning away at this project, our final version (apart from a few tweaks and bugfixes) is now live. Changes between this and the last release include deletion tag logging, a centralised log, and fixes to things like edit summaries.

Hopefully you like what we've done with the place; suggestions for future work on it, complaints and bugs to the usual address :). We'll be holding a couple of office hours sessions, which I hope you'll all attend. Many thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

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The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #2)

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This edition The Olive Branch is focusing on a 2nd dispute resolution RfC. Two significant proposals have been made. Below we describe the background and recent progress and detail those proposals. Please review them and follow the link at the bottom to comment at the RfC. We need your input!

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Background Until late 2003, Jimmy Wales was the arbiter in all major disputes. After the Mediation Committee and the Arbitration Committee were founded, Wales delegated his roles of dispute resolution to these bodies. In addition to these committees, the community has developed a number of informal processes of dispute resolution. At its peak, over 17 dispute resolution venues existed. Disputes were submitted in each venue in a different way. Due to the complexity of Wikipedia dispute resolution, members of the community were surveyed in April 2012 about their experiences with dispute resolution. In general, the community believes that dispute resolution is too hard to use and is divided among too many venues. Many respondents also reported their experience with dispute resolution had suffered due to a shortage of volunteers and backlogging, which may be due to the disparate nature of the process. An evaluation of dispute resolution forums was made in May this year, in which data on response and resolution time, as well as success rates, was collated. This data is here. Progress so far Stage one of the dispute resolution noticeboard request form. Here, participants fill out a request through a form, instead of through wikitext, making it easier for them to use, but also imposing word restrictions so volunteers can review the dispute in a timely manner. Leading off from the survey in April and the evaluation in May, several changes to dispute resolution noticeboard (DRN) were proposed. Rather than using a wikitext template to bring disputes to DRN, editors used a new javascript form. This form was simpler to use, but also standardised the format of submissions and applied a word limit so that DRN volunteers could more easily review disputes. A template to summarise, and a robot to maintain the noticeboard, were also created. As a result of these changes, volunteers responded to disputes in a third of the time, and resolved them 60% faster when compared to May. Successful resolution of disputes increased by 17%. Submissions were 25% shorter by word count.(see Dispute Resolution Noticeboard Statistics - August compared to May) Outside of DRN other simplification has taken place. The Mediation Cabal was closed in August, and Wikiquette assistance was closed in September. Nevertheless, around fifteen different forums still exist for the resolution of Wikipedia disputes. Proposed changes Given the success of the past efforts at DR reform, the current RFC proposes we implement: 1) A submission gadget for every DR venue tailored to the unique needs of that forum. Similar to the one that was deployed, with great success, to the DRN. Structured based on the specific issues most commonly dealt with at each forum. Designed to improve the quality of requests for DR and the efficiency of DR at that forum. Applicable at following noticeboards: Dispute resolution, Neutrality, Reliable Sources, Original Research, Biographies of Living Persons, Notability noticeboard, Fringe theories, Conflict of Interest, Ethnic and cultural conflicts, External links, Third opinion, Mediation Committee, Arbitration Committee. Forms will merely fill out any existing templates (such as Arbcom's) and create a markup-free form in line with specific noticeboard practices otherwise. Example form fields: What pages are involved? What users are involved? What is the issue? What resolution is desired? 2) A universal dispute resolution wizard, accessible from Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. This wizard would ask a series of structured questions about the nature of the dispute. It would then determine to which dispute resolution venue a dispute should be sent. If the user agrees with the wizard's selection, s/he would then be asked a series of questions about the details of the dispute (for example, the usernames of the involved editors). The wizard would then submit a request for dispute resolution to the selected venue, in that venue's required format (using the logic of each venue's specialized form, as in proposal #1). The wizard would not suggest a venue which the user has already identified in answer to a question like "What other steps of dispute resolution have you tried?". Similar to the way the DRN request form operates, this would be enabled for all users. A user could still file a request for dispute resolution manually if they so desired. Coding such a wizard would be complex, but the DRN gadget would be used as an outline. Once the universal request form is ready (coded by those who helped create the DRN request form) the community will be asked to try out and give feedback on the wizard. The wizard's logic in deciding the scope and requirements of each venue would be open to change by the community at any time. 3) Additionally, we're seeking any ideas on how we can attract and retain more dispute resolution volunteers.

Please share your thoughts at the RfC.

--The Olive Branch 18:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

RickWilliams75

Hi, Yunshui! Sure, I'd be willing to mentor Rick and make sure he stays out of trouble. One question though: what's the fastest place to make a report in the case he starts vandalizing again? AN/I, maybe? CtP (t • c) 19:44, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Cheers Chris, more on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Need help

Dear Yunshui,

I have rewritten the article for Mr.Sachin Adhikari currently in my sandbox(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sameer.littlemagix/sandbox).

Requesting you to kindly go through the same and help me creating the same.

Awaiting your response

Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 10:22, 24 September 2012 (UTC) Sameer

You've taken out some of the promotional language - that's good. There are still a number of sections which are wholly copied from his LinkedIn profile; that needs to be corrected. You have, however, not addressed the issue of notability - you have not provided any independent sources vouching for Mr Adhikari's notability.

My suggestion would be as follows:

1. Blank your sandbox altogether. Virtually nothing there is usable: the tone is wrong, there's still too many promotional phrases, the headers and layout are unencyclopedic, and bits of it are still copyright violations (unless you've gone through WP:DCM).
2. Use the now empty page to assemble a list of sources about Mr Adhikari. Don't use anything from his own companies' websites or publications; instead, look for mentions of him in newspapers, books and other mainstream media. Read Identifying reliable sources to help you understand what you're looking for. List all the sources you find in your sandbox, with links wherever possible. Remember that you need significant coverage; a few sentences as a bare minimum, a few paragraphs as a basic starting point. Passing mentions in lists or articles about other topics don't count.
3. Next to each source, write what it tells the reader about Mr Adhikari. For example, if you've found a newspaper article which has a few sentences about his tenure at BMW, write down that he spend some time at BMW. Do not write down anything that isn't in the source - if you know that he spent ten years at BMW but the source only confirms that he worked there for an undisclosed period of time, do not write, "he was with BMW for ten years."
4. When you have done this for all the sources, you can start putting the article together; arrange the information you have chronologically (or however else seems appropriate) and then format it as a Wikipedia page (you seem to have got the hang of formatting, but if you need help let me know).

You should end up with a short but appropriate Wikipedia article. It will contain less information than the current one, possibly a lot less, but as long as the sources are reliable and independent and you have used them appropriately, it will be kept in the encyclopedia. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:43, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Help Yunshui,

I have already asked the authorized person to send a mail to wikipedia regarding the authorisation for using the content in Wikipedia.

Also I am getting the references of all the published newspaper article that can vouch for Mr.Adhikaris achievements and help make the article a notable one. I will do as you have suggested as soon as possible and write back to you for more help.

Regards, Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 11:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The text from LinkedIn is pretty much unusable, since it's unambiguously promotional in tone. Note that you also cannot use it as a source. I wouldn't lose any sleep over getting it through DCM. Let me know if you want me to look over your sandbox again in the future. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:37, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Dear Yunshui,

I have completely rewritten the article for Mr.Adhikari and I have used only published references. Some of the references are in Regional Language in India but the authenticity of the source can be checked online. I have also provided the link for most of them.

Request you to kindly go through the SandBox and suggest if the article fits into all the norms and criterion of publishing.

Regards Sameer.littlemagix (talk) 01:18, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Thanks for your help. Keep up the good work — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sadiq Khan.M (talk • contribs) 16:46, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

CVUA

Hi Yunshui. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved with Counter-Vandalism, and may still be. The Academy project has been restructured, placing responsibility for it on the trainers themselves and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is still interested in remaining as active trainers.

In future, there will be no clerking or coordination, so If you are still active and can respond to requests from students within around 48 hours, you need do nothing until a new student contacts you on your talk page. Nevertheless, if your status changes, please update your entry on the table of active trainers at the new WP:CVUA page. If you no longer have sufficient time to commit to the CV training project, that's fine, but please remove your name from the active list. While on your travels however, should you come across users who are having a hard time with their reverts, don't hesitate to send them a link to the CVUA. Thanks, and happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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All answered , please have a look Shrikanthv (talk) 17:47, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Here we go again...

Hi Yunshi, Hindustan Group of Institutions is up and running again. Same article creator, same content, same problems.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up - page deleted, user given a final warning. I'm back online for a bit now; if you see it go up again, let me know and I'll slap a block on him. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:55, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, 雲水. most appreciated. To be honest, I was tempted to go to WP:AIV and report them as a promotion-only account, but I don't think it's block o'clock in whatever time-zone. It's a new account, and they wouldn't be aware of Wikipedia's policies. I write "they" not in singular they sense - their edits included a lot of the use of "we" and "us". Hmm...

Though it violated any number of policies, I personally think it's a damn shame the article had to be deleted: it would appear to me to be a very valid article subject. I dare to suggest that a recently-established First World tertiary institution would have organised the creation of an article that would have not raised these issues.

Thanks again! --Shirt58 (talk) 12:40, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

The editor in question turns out to have been a serial copyright violator - I ended up having to delete almost his entire contribution history. There's a definite SPA whiff about him/them as well...

I'd agree that the subject looks to pass WP:N fairly easily.I know a fellow editor who might be interested in creating a decent version of the article; I'll drop him a line with the sources and see if he fancies doing a proper job of it. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:46, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

In Reference to Adopt-Me

In reference to your message on my talk page User_talk:Utkarsh007. I am interested in Adopt-me campaign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.120.25 (talk) 13:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Grand. Given that you've got a user account, I'd strongly advise that you make sure you're logged in whilst editing - the Log In option is in the top right of your screen. I'll post a message on your talkpage in a moment or two. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:54, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

How much time I have to get back my posted article - Panna Lal Sharma

Hi,

I am new to this task of posting an article on wiki.

Certainly It was shocking and unpleasant experience that with in 3-4 hrs of last update on that article, you had deleted my page.

I can provide the link from reliable sources.

But after that, I'll be able to see that old article or I need to put my time again and post an article again.

being in India, this sounds really pretty disrespectful attitude of Wikipedia. They have not kept my post for a single day and there is no substitute like emailing the user about deletion. May be americans and english found it professional attitude but certainly I am not going to say good about WikiPedia after this experience. I am given time to write the article and you have just deleted this... such a bad act. I understand, I can't abuse on net... but yes If your visitor is valuable for your site then please mind it like an abuse to your professional attitude. I am not taking personally... nothing gonna change if you are not allowing me to post an article.. but deleting my article without notifying me and that too in just 3-4 hrs, really unpleasant experience.

I want to know what can I do now and please don't route me to your so called big rule book.

Please brief me in simple way.

What can I do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravidhruv04 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Simply put, the article you created was unsuitable for a number of reasons. First and foremost, it failed to provide any indication that the subject was sufficiently notable for inclusion (be aware that notability as a Wikipedia inclusion criterion is a highly specific concept). This is the reason it was speedily deleted. There were a number of other problems, however: it contained a large amount of unverifiable information, and thus violated our policy on biographies of living people; the language used was unencyclopedic and heavily promotional; the (minimal) references provided did not meet the standards for reliable sources; and as the article creator, you appear to have a conflict of interest (since, if the licensing information on File:PannaLalSharma.jpg is correct, you apparently know the subject). In short, the page was completely unsuitable for Wikipedia.

If you do not have a copy of the article text and would like to retain one for your own records, I would be happy to email it to you (you will need to enable email in your Preferences (top right of your screen) in order for me to do this).

CaroleHenson notified you of the speedy deletion with this edit, and was actually kind enough to add additional comments further explaining the situation, instead of simply leaving a templated message. You were also made aware of the notability requirements and the unsuitability of the topic back in May of this year, with this message from David1217.

Please do not attempt to recreate this page on Wikipedia. If you want to post a tribute to Mr Sharma online, there are alternative outlets you can use; try WikiBios or a web hosting service. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:11, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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inquries

Hi there

I'm trying to create a page taking about central china real estate, and i believe what i write ahout the company is all the truth

and i dont know for what reason it's deleted, could you let me know the reasons behind? and it's not fair that i saw other peers are pasting almost the same information at wikipedia and their articles were not deleted, while mine was.

Please dont just send me the link for study how to post the article, thats irresponsible!

Thanks

Beat banana (talk) 03:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

The page Central China Real Estate was deleted because it gave no indication that the company was notable enough for inclusion. It provided no sources beyond a spam link to the company's own webpage, and contained no information that suggested the company was anything other than a run-of-the-mill property developer. Mere existence is not sufficient to warrant an article on Wikipedia. This is explained in the notice on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Kulwinder Singh

Hi Yunshui

My name is Sonia and I had created the page 'Kulwinder Singh' which you deleted sometime back. I would like to know how do I create a page for him and what are the things I should keep in mind. Kulwinder Singh is the Director of Global Marketing and communication at Synechron and I work with him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soniyaanand (talk • contribs) 07:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sonia. The content you added was deleted for a) being entirely promotional in tone (most of it would not have looked out of place on the man's CV) and b) giving no indication of notability. If you work with Mr Singh, your conflict of interest means that you should probably not be the person to write an article on him in any case. If you believe he meets Wikipedia's basic inclusion requirements, then I would suggest you make a request at Requested articles, so that an univolved editor can create the page instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:04, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for fixing the 2013 NRL Grand Final fuddle.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:57, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Paul Onwuanibe

I have created the page (Paul Onwuanibe) twice and was deleted. what is the reason for the speedy deletion? please it is my CEO's profile and he wants it on wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonaths23 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Because a) it was promotional, b) he does not appear to be notable and c) you have a conflict of interest. Read this page, please. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Please how can I make it better and create the page?Jonaths23 (talk) 14:23, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, can I re create the article by rephrasing the contents to make sure that it is not promosional and their is no conflict of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonaths23 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Potentially you might be able to. Read the guidelines for editors with a conflict of interest and try submitting it via WP:Articles for creation; see how you get on. Remember, you need to maintain neutral language and demonstrate notability - failing to do either of these will simply mean that the page gets deleted again. As a pointer, your first effort was pretty much a textbook example of how not to write a Wikipedia article; avoid just about everything you did there and you'll stand a much better chance of getting it included. Yunshui 雲‍水 17:42, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Mr Sparks Page

Hello,

I was wondering why one of the artists i play on City FM (National) has been deleted, It was created by one of my team and took him ages to write it, Would we be able to recreate it if we call it (Mr Sparks, Rapper)?

Kind Regards, Jamie Hoult Founder of City FM National — Preceding unsigned comment added by CityFMNational (talk • contribs) 14:01, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Not without substantial changes to the article, no. It was deleted because Mr Sparks does not appear to meet the basic guidelines for inclusion; leastways, the article gave no indication of his notability. It also failed our policy on biographies of living people due to a lack of reliable sources. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information; subjects covered here must have received sufficient coverage elsewhere first.

In addition, if you are the same person who previously operated the account User:MrSparksMusic, please be aware that Wikipedia has a policy against the use of multiple accounts, especially if they are being used to evade a block. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm not the owner of the MrSparksMusic account, If i redo the whole page for Sparks can i open it then explaining literally everything about his life not just bits and bobs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CityFMNational (talk • contribs) 14:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

You would need to be able to verify every piece of information in the article, so unless a national newspaper or magazine has published an in-depth biography of Mr Sparks, that would be a very bad idea. It's eveident that you haven't understood how Wikipedia works: we do not publish articles on just anybody. Find three or four reliable, independent sources that meet the requirements set out here and discuss Mr Sparks in detail (i.e. not passing mentions or listings that happen to include his name), then it might be possible to create an article. For what it's worth, I've looked (and I'm well-practiced at creating articles on pretty damn obscure topics) and found nothing useable. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi I'm Mr Sparks, is there any chance i could get my article back? if so please message back

(talk page stalker) Probably not because of the lack of notability per WP:BAND, and especially as it appears to be fairly certain that you are using several accounts. The fake article on the user talk page has also now been deleted.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:26, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

PERM

Thanks! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at Printz Boardand User:Kwalter123, please?

Hey, Yunshui! Could you take a look at the article Printz Board and User:Kwalter123 for me? He's been posting the same spammy copyvio material (from here) over and over again (to Printz Board Credits, before that was deleted at AfD, now to this one). I've done everything I can to explain it to him, and he still isn't getting it...the article needs to be deleted (probably per G11 and G12), but I don't really want to be the one to tag it; could you take a look at it for me and tell me what you think? As an aside, he's also apparently has a COI; he said on my talk page that he's the subject's assistant. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

I've taken a look and pulled the copyvo from the article. It seems pretty likely that Printz Board meets the notability guidelines, and we probably should have an article on him - not, however, one written by his PA, and certainly one copied directly from another website. I've given Kwalter123 a final warning for copyvio (I'd have pointed him at DCM, but that material's unusable for a number of other reasons as well). If he steps out of line again, blocking looks like the only sensible option. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You're probably right about notability, though when I was looking for sources prior to the AfD I didn't find much usable: a lot of mentions in reliable sources, but nothing with really significant coverage. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:37, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Assuming the stuff about the Grammy Awards is true (I haven't checked) he passes WP:MUSICBIO (it's enough to decline an A7, anyway). The sources already in the article are, frankly, piss-poor - if you can find anything better, go for it. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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Jack Fenton

Thanks for your message. Sorry for confusing you - I want Jack Fenton moved/renamed to John Fenton (disambiguation). Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 07:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thought that might be the case. Okay; I'll do it now. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello!

To whom it may concern, I do not know why you had to delete my article about "Enis Tufina." The watch collection i have, the Masters Degree in History and Bachelors in Political Science from NEIU give me the possibility to write an article about a fascinating young watchmaker that has a fascinating story to tell. Recently, i purchased on of his brands on eBay, and i got very interested to find out more. I hope that you will reconsider your decisions. Sincerely, Thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tr1973 (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Your submission did not indicate why the subject was notable enough for inclusion. Wikipedia's primary inclusion guideline is notability, which, on this site, means coverage in reliable, independent sources (such as newspapers, magazine articles, television programmes, research papers, books or reliable websites). Before trying to resubmit the article, please read the relevant guidelines on Notability and Reliable sources. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:25, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Redirect

Hi,

You have redirected Dam Level to GoldenEye 007 (2010 video game). But there is no mention of the word 'Dam level' or 'Dam' in the target article. Hence the redirect is inappropriate. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:23, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

That's because I'm an eejit and redirected it to the wrong game - it should go to GoldenEye 007 (1997 video game). Mea cupla, fixed now. Thanks for the heads-up. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:10, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Denny Moss

Thanks. I was very tempted simply to speedy it myself, but I thought there should really be more than one pair of eyes. We edit-conflicted at JoieManda, where I had also gone to change the block notice to a sock one. Since the CU confirms, what was already pretty obvious, that this is not the real person, should we perhaps remove the "If you are the real person do this... " notice? I had thought about that and decided I would, but I leave it to you. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea; I should have done it myself. I'll sort that now. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 07:11, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Khenpo Gelek Gyamtso of Tibetan Buddhism

Hello I started to work on this page Lama Gelek Gyamtso, less then an hour after I started to work on the page I noticed someone had marked it for deletion. I find this rude. I would expect to have at least some time. The page is about a real person of significance in Tibetan Buddhism. He is the heart son or notable student of Tsopo Dorlo Rinpoche among the student is his name: Khenpo Gelek. Tsopo Dorlo Rinpoche is a reincarnation of one of Guru Rinpoches 25 close students and so Khenpo Gelek is of great interest as his heart student. He is also a close student of Akhyuk Rinpoche known for being the last in the old generation of Tibetan Lamas. Lama Gelek was a close student of his and acceived his Dr. Divinity status under him. He spent 10 years in solitary retreat. I intended to work on this page, actually we are several people who will do this. Had no time to start though. I know Gelek Rinpoche or Lama Gelek Gyamtso personally, he came out of Tibet as a refugee in 2000 and carry the whole of the Buddhas teachings in study as well as practical knowledge. I am new to this and it is not expected that I will make it perfect at once. Tulku Yeshe Trögyal (talk) 14:57, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

User requested undeletion at WP:REFUND#http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lama_Gelek_Gyamtso and I have userfied the page for him. JohnCD (talk) 17:39, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Cheers John. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Ovimbundu/Southern Mbundu people

Hi Yunshui, thanks for deleting the redirect at Ovimbundu and moving Southern Mbundu people there. The talk page still redirects to the old one, however. Would you mind doing the same to the talk pages? Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Whoops.  Done now. Thanks for letting me know. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:07, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Question regarding B. Todd Jones

Hello, I am looking at the history of B. Todd Jones and I am unsure what would be the correct avenue to take my concerns (if I was sure of the proper noticeboard, I would have take it there). At first glance, it might seem like a slowgoing edit war over content added by the IP but Hazydan has raised some valid concerns to the additions in accordance to various policies (such as WP:BLP and WP:NPOV). Honestly, I don't know what to do and thought that you would have some better insight as an admin and an experienced editor. Thanks, SassyLilNugget (talk) 15:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Cheers for the extra workload ! I have protected the page and asked the IP to discuss his proposal on the article's talkpage; hopeful he will do so and they can arrive at some sort of consensus. I'll keep half an eye on it in future, in case anything flares up again. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:05, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Article

Hi! I wrote a page on The Parallax, a death metal band. They are up-and-coming, so they don't have an official website yet. My major source was a personal interview with one of the members. My other sources were to back up the names of the recording studios representatives they played for. Do you feel this musical group is irrelevant? They are fairly well known among metal fans in the GTA, due to their large number of public performances, but they're making their way up. So, can I put the page back up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LiviiBee (talk • contribs) 21:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but up and coming bands very rarely attract sufficient media attention to meet the inclusion guidelines for notability. If you can find significant coverage in reliable independent sources then it might be worth recreating the page, but a personal interview with the band is totally insufficient. Yunshui 雲‍水 06:54, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Yunshi so proud to have wonderful people like yourself in this world Peace and positive Juju

Kind regards

Mel and Kama — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.126.152 (talk) 22:47, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

No idea what I did to deserve that, but thank you! Yunshui 雲‍水 06:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

User:JKHales

User:JKHales has redirected his user and talk page to your page.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 01:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Weird. Thanks for letting me know. Yunshui 雲‍水 06:50, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN

I see we have a difference of opinion at WP:AN. Of course, this is fine and we all have a right to our opinion. I do think that bans are something that should take place in a calm and cool environment, as the last resort. When the villagers are all carrying pitchforks and torches is not a good time to make such a drastic decision, even if it eventually becomes the right decision, as we shouldn't be reactive, but instead proactive. I think it is our responsibility to be those calm and collected voices of reason. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 15:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dennis. I appreciate you taking the time to drop by here. Any response I give is largely irrelevent, since it seems consensus is with your position rather than mine on this one - I still feel that a ban is the only appropriate action (I see NH's action as clear recidivism, which is grounds for a ban post-Betacommandgate), but it seems the community doesn't agree. For what it's worth, I didn't consider my !vote to be bandwagon-jumping (had there not been a series of edit conflicts, it would have been the second on the list) and I'd been following the case for some time without commenting, so I was well aware of the circumstances. In my personal opinion, the "right" decision is the right decision regardless of when it's made - to use your analogy; if the farm-implement-wielding villagers manage to stake the vampire, the result is still a net positive.

(that sounds really bad - I'm certainly not trying to compare NH to a vampire!)

But hey, one of the beauties of a peer-led community like this is that we're allowed - even encouraged - to disagree from time to time. Thanks for sharing your perspective, and thanks also for allowing that I might be a potential "calm and collected voice of reason". Always a pleasure to hear your views. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:12, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

User:Priya Kapoor

I'm not going to fault you for the block; it was within the same administrative discretion I was exercising. But, I usually prefer in that case to at least give the user a chance to prove that they really might be that person. You never know. Daniel Case (talk) 15:18, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniel. Thanks for the message. My personal take is that the block template is a simple and straightforward way of giving them that chance - it contains all the links and email addresses necessary to confirm their identity. If they really are Ms Kapoor, it's only the work of a quick email to prove it and get unblocked, and if not, the block is legit. In the interests of protecting Ms Kapoor, I think an unprejudiced username block has the most positive real-world consequences. But as I said to Dennis immediately above, disagreement is a natural and positive part of Wikipedia; if you hold a different opinion, that's fine. Should you wish to unblock and request they confirm their identity in another way, I won't contest it. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:19, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Roald Dahl protection

Many thanks for indefinitely protecting Roald Dahl. I speak on behalf of several editors who appreciate your intervention. - Fanthrillers (talk) 22:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome; that edit history was a right mess. I accept payment in beer, cake or Google series A preferred stock. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the FDR "monument" and the warm welcome.

Hi Yunshui,

Thanks for your help with changing the title of the photo I contributed. You made it very easy. It had stopped me from uploaded a few more photos- I saw I didn't yet know enough. And thank you for the warm welcome and links to all the "new person" articles. I'll read them. I have noticed a few articles in my area of expertise that I think I can improve. After reading the links you sent me, I'll give it a try if they have not been improved already by then.

Sorry if this is not the best way to leave to a personal thank you message. Next I'll read the intro articles.

Regards, Markdiaz (talk) 23:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome Mark, I'm glad I could help. If you're interested in contributing but feel a bit overawed by all the policies and processes (a common situation, I assure you!), you might want to consider putting yourself up for adoption, so that a more experienced user can show you the ropes. You're also more than welcome to ask me here if you come across anything you don't understand. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Wikipedia_talk:Teahouse/Host_lounge.
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SarahStierch (talk) 00:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Advice re:- JohnGledden Article

Morning Yunshui,

Firstly taking the time to answer my desperate plea for help on the Teahouse link - Your reply gave me encouragement that this could eventually be published !!

However, I don't think my brain is tuned in to Wikipedia and despite reading and re-reading your advice, I am still struggling to do what is required,

I am reading but not following or able to complte the instructions that must seem so simple to everybody else !!

Is there anybody who could help ne finish the last bits of this article. I am not adverse to paying someone even if it gets it completed..

Thank you again -0 I feel totally stumped and pretty useless !!

Janet x Tennisbuff12345 (Tennisbuff12345 (talk) 09:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC))

Ps - You see I can't even get the 4 x waves right to sign --- AGGGHHHH - Please help !!

I'll take a look and see if there's anything I can do. I'll drop you a note shortly. (Looks to me as though you got the ~~~~ tildes right, by the way, but you don't need to actually write your name and user ID first). Yunshui 雲‍水 09:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

run4charity page deletion

Hi,

You deleted my wiki page...even though I amended it to clearly state that I was the author of the original text on the run4charity.net site. I also posted a waiver for the text...on the wiki page. I put a talk page as well to state this.

The email address used on the website and wiki account are the same. Can you re-instate?

Regards,

Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdoher1 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Please see the comments placed on your talk page, both by me and by User:JamesBWatson. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:05, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse TB

Hi Yunshui-- just wanted to remind you to post a talkback template on a user's talk page when you answer their question at the Teahouse. I noticed Angelbird72 (talk · contribs) did not have one for your recent response, so I just put one there. I think you've used it before (don't worry, I forget sometimes as well), but if I'm wrong, here is the syntax for the template: {{WP:Teahouse/Teahouse_talkback|WP:Teahouse/Questions|question title goes here|ts=~~~~}}. Thanks! I, Jethrobot ^{drop me a line} (note: not a bot!) 16:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Usually I just do it with Twinkle, but I obviously forgot here. Thanks for jumping in and doing it for me. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

My userpage

Hi there,

thank you for reverting the vandalism on my user page. I think your suggestion is great, so could you please semi-protect my userpage? Thank you!

Best regards, O.Koslowski (talk) 06:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

It's done. Yunshui 雲‍水 06:48, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at Shrikanthv's talk page.
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Re answered my test please review. Thanking VS Shrikanthv (talk) 10:29, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing logos out of the picture

Hello Mr Yunshui, I had written couple of article related to electrical motor controllers before and for images I had asked copyrights from one company and they allowed the pictures for wiki , it seems that one of the editor got agrivated by seeing the logo and edited out the logo making it blank, and again the company which had lended the pictures were asking if they had given of the rights to edit also without permission (as no atribution was made that it had belonged to them ). so I am in kind of jam now , so what to do ?

the image

File:Braking_chopper_in_use.jpg

do let me now what is appropriate is such regards. Shrikanthv (talk) 13:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Shrikanthv. I'm a bit confused here - the image you've linked to is at Wikimedia Commons and was uploaded by User:Jojalazzo - is that your username on Commons, or is it a different person? Not to worry, I've found the deleted version you originally uploaded to en-wiki. I'm also not seeing any logo in the image, nor in its history.

The things you basically need to know are:

• We can't use the file without attributing the copyright holder - presumably the company, but possibly the photographer themselves.
• The copyright holder has to release it under a suitable licence. Assuming that the Commons description is correct, this image is available under CC-BY-SA, which is fine. They can't, however, allow its use just in Wikipedia; it has to be freely available to anyone, anywhere.

Please could you clarify for me:

• How did the company give permission for the picture to be used? Nevermind, I've found the OTRS ticket for it - it's cool.
• Which editor objected to the logo, and what action did they take (if you can provide diffs, that would be a great help)?
• What action do you want to see happen - does the file need to be deleted, do you want me to intervene with the other editor? What do you actually need from me here?

All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 13:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

PS. Don't know if you've noticed, but I re-marked the CSD test for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:21, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I think I've pieced together the history here. Are you concerned because the file has been deleted on Wikipedia? If that's the case, you needn't worry - it has been deleted, but it's also been moved to Wikimedia Commons because it's freely licenced under CC-BY-SA. Such free images tend to be moved to Commons rather than retained at en-wiki. Does that help answer your question at all? Yunshui 雲‍水 13:28, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Looked at it again - is it the case that the version you originally uploaded contained the company logo, and the version User:Jojalazzo has created at Commons has edited this out? If that's so, he is perfectly entitled to do so - when the company released the image under CC-BY-SA 3.0, they agreed to any changes or alterations that other people made to the picture, so long as the original source was identified. Removing their logo would be perfectly permissable under the licencing terms they agreed to. The image exists to illustrate a braking chopper, not the manufacturer's logo, so it's still perfectly servicable for article. The attribution is on the descriptor page, in the OTRS log, and also in the file history. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:41, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for going in much deep Mr. Yunshi, So I understand it was legal of what User:Jojalazzo did , is it also still allowed to have a product with logo ?. and Thanks for making me understand how the attribution works. Shrikanthv (talk) 06:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Logos tend to be securely copyrighted, which is why I was confused by the suggestion that the company in question had released theirs under a free licence. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, logos are usually used under Fair use, meaning that they are only placed in articles where the company's logo needs to be illustrated (because no free alternative could exist). If a company releases its logo as part of a free image, they give permission for that logo to be altered and reused by others - including commercially - which, as a brand, is an extremely silly thing to do. The horse has bolted by this point, but since Jojalazzo sensibly removed the logo, and since the version of the image that contained it has been deleted, their corporate image should be safe.

In answer to your questions, yes, Jojalazzo's actions were completely legal and in line with the image's licensing. Whilst it is permissable to have an image of the compay logo on Wikipedia, it should be uploaded under fair use so that they retain their copyright - here's a link to the relevent legal stuff. I'd strongly advise against getting them to release a product image featuring their logo under a free licence; they would effectively be waiving the major part of their copyright to the logo by doing so. Hope this helps to clarify things. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

You deleted my page

hello sir, you deleted the page i tried to create titled The Elliott Argument...I admit i didnt know how wikipedia worked before submitting it...I didnt realize how well it needed to be sourced, that i needed so many references, and that I couldnt delete peoples comments on the talk pages....I have vamped up the article, it is very well sourced now and i've put a lot more work into it...I was told I had to ask you if I could resubmit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrfivethirty (talk • contribs) 06:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Aaaand... declined. Wikipedia is not a soapbox; this is entirely the wrong forum for your argument. In addition, the sources added do nothing to suggest that the argument itself is notable, meaning that it fails the basic inclusion guidelines. My advice? Give it up - you've already been blocked once for doggedly trying to push this into the encyclopedia; if it happens again it will probably mean an indefinite leave of absence for you. If your only purpose here is to try and get an article about your argument included, then I'm afraid you are wasting your time; you might do better at one of the many alternative sites that allow this sort of thing. Yunshui 雲‍水 06:58, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Caspar Lee

I am trying to make a page about Caspar Lee but whenever I do, it gets deleted. Could you get someone else to do it because I'm obviously not very good at this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poohfaster (talk • contribs) 15:51, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Your deleted "articles" consist of a flat statement that this guy is a popular vlogger on YouTube. You provide no sources, no evidence, nothing. Being a vlogger on YouTube is not an assertion of notability. What newspapers and magazines have written about this guy? Who says he is popular? Our guidelines on people make it clear that people must meet minimum standards of notability before articles about them are going to be found in Wikipedia. Thousands of people have vlogs; millions of people post to YouTube; that does not constitute notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:06, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

confused

why did you delete my article and not accept it??? it IS very well sourced and has tons of citations (wikipedic and other)...tell me what i need to do different please...i read all the guidlines and dont see any issues — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.116.40 (talk) 17:27, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Attributing user space copies

Hi Yunshui, I'd like to take up an issue that you raised on User talk:Cartel82: If I get you right, one shouldn't copy Wikipedia articles into user space without attribution. For the copying into user space, I use something like make copy for rewrite. This of course does not keep the page history, but then I do not intend to ever move that user space draft over an existing article.

The issue is that our students should currently not yet mess with main space content, you have seen for yourself what the outcome can be. So I fear that this is exactly what I told them to do: Copy the article into user space and make their improvements there. Once we have evaluated it, I either ask for a HistMerge, or I incorporate the changes with an edit summary like incorporating changes from User:Pgallert/General dealer, part of Wikipedia:School and university projects/Polytechnic of Namibia.

Do you think this is sufficient, or can you suggest how to improve the process? Thanks and best regards, Pgallert (talk) 14:40, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

The basic problem with copying an article to userspace without attribution is that the student is then effectively claiming to have written the pre-existing text (the first edit will read: "User:Student created page with "Namibia, officially the Republic of Namibia (Afrikaans: Republiek van Namibië, German: About this sound Republik Namibia (help·info)), is a country...", which makes it appear that the text is their own work). Because of Wikipedia's copyright policy, this is a no-no - attribution has to be given to the original author of the text. A simple, if minimal, solution is to include a direct wikilink to the original in the first edit summary, e.g. "Text copied from Namibia" - this then means that future readers can see the date at which the text was copied and evaluate how much of it was created by other editors at Namibia. A better solution is to use the {{copied}} template (full syntax at the template link), which goes on the talkpage of the draft and establishes what was copied, when and from where. This provides the necessary attribution and avoids any copyright issues.

Some students have provided a link to the original article in their drafts, which is a start, but really the draft needs to clearly demonstrate when the text was copied across (so that readers can establish exactly who had contributed to the article up to that point) and how much of it was used - {{copied}} does all that for them.

Hope that helps a bit, feel free to get in touch with me again if necessary. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:22, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, well, I know about the {{copied}} template. I thought it was for articles where the copy is in main space, or where the copy is ever supposed to make it to main space.

1. The first issue is, we cannot ask students to all create new articles, because in its third year the project has produced quite a number of them, and red links are getting more difficult to find, and to make blue. We therefore allow (encourage, actually) to improve existing articles.
2. The second issue is, depending on the news coverage of a particular period we always have certain "hot topics" that are chosen by dozens of students. So apart from the situation that many students will mess up an article in main space with the skills they currently have, the exercise becomes impossible to mark if a whole cohort of students, sometimes not even logged in, makes changes to the same article. The page history of Johanna Benson is a small example of that, but the page history of Oshakati is worse.
3. The third issue is that using {{copied}} on student's user space drafts forces me to introduce a whole new set of topics that I currently dodge: permalinks, attribution within Wikipedia, talk pages other than User talk, maintenance templates, page history, and so on. Not sure if this is doable.
4. The fourth issue is that I can rarely use student's submissions for mainspace without changing them. Proper attribution would require me (the student is not around anymore to do that) to incorporate the improvement as-is, then to wikify, and then to mark the user space draft talk page with {{copied}}. That's three edits instead of one, a lot more clicks in my browser to find the permalinks, and a lot more work.

I'll remember to ask them to link to the original in their first edit summary, but this semester's students I do not meet anymore; I only gave the central lectures and conducted the tutor's workshops. The tutorials where students do the assignment are not under my influence. Thanks for the explanation, Pgallert (talk) 18:59, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I can definitely see the advantages of having students edit drafts in userspace. I'd imagine this issue has arisen before, and we may well have a more specific template for such purposes that they could use; I'll have a look around.

Having students understand the basics of the different namespaces would be useful. At present, many of them have created their drafts on their userpages, rather than on subpages - nothing inherently wrong with that, but it does cause a bit of a headache if they then try to move the submission somewhere else. Sandboxes or draft user subpages are definitely preferable. It would also free up their userpages to allow them to put a link to the relevent School & University project, making it easier for editors to contact their tutors and understand thier editing.

I'm afraid I don't have any simple answers (and the genie's out of the bottle already anyway), but I'll give it some thought; if I can come up with an easy solution I'll let you know. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:58, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

im going to

im going to have some noteable people review the argument and write reviews on it...will it then be "noteable" enought for you? ps, did you know the ELLIOTT Argument is he most talked about apologetic argument on the entire internet right now?? Also you said "its the wrong forum for my argument?" Once it become noteable enough for your standards how is it the wrong forum?? There are tons of philosophical and apologetics arguments all over wikipedia!...why not tell them they are in the wrong forum? My argument falls under the same category as these, its just newer! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.181.116.40 (talk) 17:31, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

In the same way that Jimmy Savile is the most talked about celebrity sex offender in the UK right now Mongoletsi (talk) 09:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

↑ Not cool. I'd appreciate it, Mongoletsi, if you'd strike that comment. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:21, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

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Another test ?

Hello Mr Yunshui, do i have next step after test ? , is there secound test ? Shrikanthv (talk) 09:32, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Shrikanthv. I hadn't considered a second test, though I could construct one if you'd like. I was actually planning to head over to your talkpage to discuss a couple of your recent nominations, so expect a message from me there shortly. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Jordan Rush

Why would you delete my page!!!!! Why!!!!! Sweet Jesus!!!!! Why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.136.21 (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Assuming you're User:DragonRush (in which case, please log in), your submission did not indicate why the subject was notable enough for inclusion. Wikipedia's primary inclusion guideline is notability, which, on this site, means coverage in reliable, independent sources (such as newspapers, magazine articles, television programmes, research papers, books or reliable websites). Jordan Rush does not appear to have received such coverage. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:30, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Good job giving Elliott a kick up the bum

He really needs it. Crazy crazy stuff.

Cheers 182.239.197.160 (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm not trying to give him a kick up the bum, just explain why his submission isn't suitable. He's as entitled to espouse his particular brand of apologetics as anyone, just not here. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:45, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Why was Horror Pain Gore Death Productions deleted?

Horror Pain Gore Death Productions is a record label with over a dozen acts signed to it, as well as an American distributor for other record labels abroad. Why was the page for this legitimate company deleted? In other words, it physically presses, distributes, and sells physical copies of CDs, thus it is no different in operation than more mainstream heavy metal record labels (such as Nuclear Blast Records or Relapse Records).

This was all listed on the Wikipedia page, and the information was referenced as well. There is an official website for the company, but Wikipedia apparently rejects the comoj domain for spam, thus I cannot use it as a reference; however, the link to that website can be found on the Horror Pain Gore Death Production metal-archives page located at http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/Horror_Pain_Gore_Death_Productions.

Thank you.

Your submission did not indicate why the subject was notable enough for inclusion. Wikipedia's primary inclusion guideline is notability, which, on this site, means coverage in reliable, independent sources (such as newspapers, magazine articles, television programmes, research papers, books or reliable websites). See also WP:ORG. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:22, 10 October 2012 (UTC)