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Game Sack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I enjoy the channel a bunch, but this is non-notable stuff. The article reads like a well-compiled collection of trivial mentions and scarcely any of the citations are significant and in-depth enough to provide reliable background about the creators and establish why their channel and its content is notable. Most citations are passing mentions in unrelated articles, like Scott Wozniak citing them in a list of influences or HG101 briefly mentioning a video of theirs exists. There's just not enough about the channel as the primary subject matter of the citations. A quick search for reliable coverage only yields the Vice article on their hiatus. VRXCES (talk) 05:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delibird (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The vast majority of references are low quality or are otherwise only passing and do not substantiate warranting a standalone article. "Top X" lists are low quality slop that games publications put out to keep afloat, and are not sigcov (with their mentions of Delibird often being quite brief). Screen Rant and the TheGamer are Valnet publications that WP:VG/RS considers to not count towards notability due to concerns that they effectively function as content farms. Much of the coverage is within the context of Pokemon Go, which appears to be SEO content designed to gain clicks from people playing the game, and doesn't substantiate that Delibird is notable per se. Some of the other coverage is also effectively "guide" content for video games that Delibird appears in, rather than being about Delibird itself and says little about Delibird itself. The content in these articles is also typically insubstantial. The article should be redirected back to List_of_generation_II_Pokémon. Hemiauchenia (talk)

Modified rationale to add emphasis of the content being insubstantial. Also it is possible some of the details can be added to the list article. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

23:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The article has multiple instances of SIGCOV giving coverage to the character and discussing the pros and cons of its design, as well as commentary on how players have found creative uses for it despite its poor competitive use and comparison to a later counterparet (which despite my normal aversion to gameplay commentary in reception, does illustrate how the character is perceived beyond one individual title). Additionally, TheGamer's article is by Stacey Henley, the Editor in Chief who has written for many other publications including The Washintgon Post and IGN, and Valnet sources have been used viably on other articles including Featured Articles. The notion that they "don't count for notability" has been called into question several times, and is often more an issue towards actual content mill content, not editorial content.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources#Valnet_and_the_"notability"_issue shows that your advocacy in favour of Valnet has mostly been rejected. Lewis (baseball) was a featured article that got deleted when taken to AfD, so your point about "being used in featured articles" is meritless. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:37, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It shows there's an ongoing discussion. Raichu uses a Screen Rant source and it was accepted after the author's credentials were demonstrated. Additionally, looking at the Lewis (baseball) AfD the issue wasn't Valnet, but sigcov in general, so you're misrepresenting the cause there.
It also doesn't change the fact that your whole stance is based on where the article is posted, as if somehow it'd be fine if Henley had posted on IGN. If you're going to counter a source, at least do it on the subject matter of the source.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:42, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep GNG is met, and, moreover, the sources are plenty fine for this sort of article. Criticism of Valnet seems to me not organic, but likely driven by editors who attack it just to get at content like this. What do we want in a Pokemon article that this article doesn't have? Is the truthfulness of what's here really in dispute? I know those are larger questions than many AfD participants are willing to consider, but really key to assessing the article-specific appropriateness of disputed sourcing. Jclemens (talk) 00:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether or not an article passes notabilty is never about the content, but about whether the topic the article is about is notable. Rather lacklustre articles are kept all the time in the hypothetical chance that someone could bother to expand them and sometimes even featured articles are deleted, as in the case of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewis (baseball) (2nd nomination). The idea that article quality should come into AfD is against the consensus of how AfD works. The idea is that we generally shouldn't have articles about minor aspects of video games like individual characters, unless they obviously have significant notability separate from the series they are part of, like Pikachu, etc. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The idea is that we generally shouldn't have articles about minor aspects of video games like individual characters. This statement seems to imply you're approaching this from the angle you feel it is not notable because it's a "minor aspect" of a video game, rather than if there was significant discussion about how it was received by reliable, secondary sources, which is the actual deciding factor.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:37, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your idea of significant discussion is joke articles, game guides and listicles. Yes I don't think we should have articles about video game characters with the exception of rare and obvious cases (Pikachu, Mario, Sonic etc). Wikipedia had discusions about Pokemon notability many years ago and it was decided that the vast majority of them were not notable (see Wikipedia:Pokémon test for some details), and I see no reason to change that consensus. By the standards you are asserting here, most Pokemon would probably be "notable" if we counted all the clickbait and game guide-eque coverage of Pokemon on contemporary video game websites, and I strongly disagree with that. Hemiauchenia (talk) 00:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies, but I am unsure as to which articles you're referring to in this article that are listicles, jokes, or game guides. Also, the discussion back in the day spoke not to that most Pokémon are non-notable (even though that is true, there is likely not sigcov in the known universe for 50% of Pokémon forms). The discussion found that no sources could be discerned for most Pokémon species, a fact that is less true now. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hemiauchenia I regret to inform you that things have come along quite some time since the Pokemon test essay, and to boot we're well past the days of people citing "GameDaily ranked Togepi sixth on their Top Ten List of Eggs in Gaming" when "most Pokemon articles" were deemed non-notable. I want to assume good faith, but your approach feels very hostile: instead of citing what sources you feel are bad based on what they're saying in the reception section or policy issues with the article, your tone is coming across more in line with WP:IDONTLIKEIT.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I feel that I should mention that IDONTLIKEIT applies to not liking the content of articles, not the sources used in them. I see an argument that some Pokemon are notable (they even gave Pikachu as an example), but only if the sources used are up to par in their quality. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 08:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Zxcvbnm: In this case, I'm referring to his stance that only articles such as those should be viable and citing a past consensus, when neither jives with policy: subjects can become notable over time, and there is nothing in policy saying subjects cannot be "minor" elements of media, let alone that they must be in par with the Pikachus and Sonics of such media.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Kung Fu Man: I still think that is more of a mistaken belief than not LIKING it. However, to that end, see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Pokémon test as I personally think the page does more harm than good. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 23:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I would be more comfortable if there was greater diversity of source and more articles about Delibird (or even Iron Bundle), but I find that sigcov has been demonstrated. It's also important to remember that being covered in another article does not disqualify as sigcov. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 00:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge I admit that it did get some coverage amounting to several articles from various publications, but look closer at those articles and their actual content is very short - incredibly so in some cases. I do not think that most of the coverage rises to the level of significant. My argument is not with their tone, but purely about their length and the amount of detail or lack thereof. To put it simply, if I made such an article I'd expect it to be merged, so that's what I'll say. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 02:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Making a note for the closing editor that the initial argument for the article was added to by the nominator after significant discussion took place [1].--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:48, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, tweaking things after the fact is not good Wikiquette. It should be clear that was added later. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 08:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Agreed, that's definitely something to note when the discussion is closed.
Redirect per OP. Traumnovelle (talk) 06:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Creator Keep: As the person who created this article, as well as complied with other editors in order to get this article to reach the GA status, I fail to see how this article does not meet the standards of WP:GNG. To address one of the key arguments made by the nominator, articles relating to Pokemon Go/guides only pertain to the concept and appearances section, which only serve to found facts about the subject matter and do not serve the same purpose as the reception section, the heart of what makes the character notable. As for the sources in said section, I believe they do a great job at conveying why Delibird deserves to have an article with sources GamesRadar+, Kotaku and Eurogamer all making differentiating talking points. As for the Valnet sources, I believe Kung Fu Man displayed compelling points as to why these should help support the article, especially TheGamer as not only is the writer well established on other news website, but that websites have been used for both FLs and FAs. Again, I believe these sources do a substantial job in depicting what it is that makes Delibird unique and standout in order to have an article, and all do a good job of passing WP:SIGCOV as they are written within good quality and not the bog standard content farm-type content these websites are often labelled. Even in the case of a source like the TechCrunch article, despite it being in a list type format, it goes well into depth about the subject at hand and isn't something that you'd see on 1UP.com a decade ago. To end my point, this article follows the respective guidelines put in-place at the VG character task force and, even though it could have better sources, falls in-line and demonstrates GNG and SIGCOV. CaptainGalaxy 02:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melee weapon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to be largely original research or merely a WP:DICDEF. "Melee weapon" seems to be almost entirely a tabletop gaming term, so I suggest a merge to Role-playing game terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 22:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Godzilla: Monster of Monsters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NGAME and likely falls under WP:FANCRUFT. Summary-only description of the game, with only one reference, which is about the creepypasta, not the game itself. The rest of the article is completely unsourced and provides no evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage on Google Books and Google Scholar is limited to WP:TRIVIALMENTIONs, most of which are about the creepypasta, which I would argue is more notable, though it probably still doesn't meet WP:GNG. Nothing at all on JSTOR. Should redirect to List of Godzilla games. Masskito (talk)

Godzilla 2: War of the Monsters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Similar issues to MoM, this time with no references at all, also fails NGAME, with nothing at all on Google Books, Google Scholar, or JSTOR. Proposing same redirect to List of Godzilla games. Masskito (talk)

Araya (video game) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Bloody Disgusting ref is a news announcement, not significant coverage. Reviews in azralynn.com and the two additional reviews listed at Mobygames: [9] (Brash Games, GameAwards.ru) are self published sources, no indication that they are reliable. Brash Games is also listed as unreliable at WP:VG/S. Mika1h (talk) 18:20, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 19:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Two of the articles listed are interviews but one is in-depth in its non-quote content as well, and the first is very thorough. This meets WP:THREE and should be kept given presence of Thai sources. Most of article currently is a long plot summary but at the very least a well-sourced short article could be written on this. Mrfoogles (talk) 19:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chao (Sonic the Hedgehog) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Looking over the sources, even those on the talk page, they're all pretty trivial or short statements. Chao on their own are an interesting concept, but there's less said about them as their own thing as a fictional species and more as a minigame aspect of the Sonic the Hedgehog series, and even as that game mechanic the conversation feels lacking and non-notable.

Even doing a WP:BEFORE I didn't find anything to dissuade that opinion. Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters. No independent notability of the subject, but surprisingly the Chao aren't actually on the list yet (And linked at Chaos for some reason? I get he's a mutated Chao but beyond that there's very little association.) Several detailed searches have been done in the past and turned up nothing but review quotes or similar, and many of the current refs constitute as Wikipedia:Trivial mentions. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 12:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect I do think that the Chao Garden itself is marginally notable. [14] [15] [16] However, this article is unsalvageable and would require a total rewrite to fulfill notability, centered around the minigame rather than the actual creatures. It shouldn't be left as-is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 14:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The article's state is dreadful, but the Chao / Chao Garden definitely meet notability requirements. From a quick Google search I found a Nintendo Life feature, two articles on a Chao-inspired game, multiple articles on Iizuka's announcement there wouldn't be a standalone Chao game ([17][18], [19]), and a few articles on a Chao Garden fan game (Polygon, Kotaku), all filled with commentary that could be integrated in this article. It might be worth reworking this into a Chao Garden-focused article instead of having it as a Chao article, as sources more describe the mode as a whole than the characters specifically. JOEBRO64 03:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, Zx mentioned that also and I do agree, the mini game may have some notability. The chao themselves though, not so much, and this whole article would have to be rewritten to focus on Chao Garden.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Definitely a notable aspect of the Sonic the Hedgehog series with a good amount of independent sources. Article needs revisions to be a good article, but otherwise it's good to stay. MimirIsSmart (talk) 04:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:ITSNOTABLE. If you are referring to the above mentioned sources, the Chao themselves and the Chao Garden minigame are an important distinction. The article as currently written is all about Chao as a being and only slightly mentions the Chao Garden. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 04:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I don't see a consensus here yet, participants are divided between Merge and Keep. There is some confusion over whether this article is on "Chao" or "Chao Garden" and whether or not that distinction matters.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crazy Bus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not notable besides its brief appearance on Angry Video Game Nerd. Fails WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 13:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep This was deleted before with far less to establish notability (and I would have agreed). Having recreated the page, I would now argue that there is more notability to the game than just AVGN. The soundtrack is regarded by multiple outlets as notable for its bad quality, and a Venezuelan university report mentions its legacy of bringing attention to games in Venezuela. Whether AVGN promoting it led to more people paying attention shouldn't imo be a disqualifier. JSwift49 20:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC) Note to closing admin: JSwift49 (talkcontribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]
Keep. A decent amount of sources demonstrated its independent notability, even if the article does require some rewrites to be in a more readable state.
By the way, article had been marked with copyright violations due to the article previously hosting lyrics to a song from Arthur which is obviously still copyrighted and the lyrics are still in article history. It has no effect on this article's deletion. MimirIsSmart (talk) 11:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JSwift49. Æ's old account wasn't working (talk) 23:31, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. There's very little actual substantive coverage, and what does exist isn't enough to build an article on. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The problem is that the game's notorious audio is well-known but the citations in the article do not provide much coverage of any other aspects of the game, little that there is. Most of the sources are listicles, which is fine, but their purpose and content is mostly alone to state that the menu music sucks. I don't think a passing academic reference is good evidence that it's brought attention to Venezuelan game development. VRXCES (talk) 09:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would argue that the basic coverage of other aspects of the game is to be expected, as the game is known for being exceedingly simple (drive the bus back and forth and honk the horn). So the soundtrack is the main aspect of notoriety, though you also have AVGN, the academic reference, Niconico News with dedicated coverage of the game at large, plus some of the listicles discussing the soundtrack also mention the gameplay.
    Screen Rant says the game is "on the list of must-play games for YouTubers, Twitch streamers, and retro enthusiasts interested in the more bizarre parts of gaming history."
    There were also two books/reference guides? in Japanese about CrazyBus written by the same person; however I could only find previews of a couple of pages.
    JSwift49 14:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    AVGN is non-RS per WP:VG/S unless it's widely reported that the AVGN review itself is notable. For the others, again, what mention there is of the game is trivial or not really reliable. Screen Rant mentions it very briefly in passing. And I can't see any evidence those books have anything to do with the game from the links supplied? VRXCES (talk) 08:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But we have an academic source covering the AVGN interview, and Screen Rant additionally gives Crazy Bus five sentences on its list of worst soundtracks?
    Re. the books, the page previews I found confirm they are about CrazyBus (they are both linked in the article). JSwift49 11:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep When the article was first created, I argued that there was enough coverage of the game by sources to warrant inclusion. The addition of further references demonstrates this. --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The Spanish Wikipedia article has seven references. Left guide (talk) 06:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Keep: According to Perennial Sources, ScreenRant is only marginally WP:RELIABLE and there's no consensus on Vice. That leaves only the BBC. Still, I'm all for giving this article a chance, especially if more and better sources can be found.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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