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Category:004 Actors

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The result of the debate was deleted. the wub "?!" 11:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No idea what this even means. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:17, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Zhongshanese people

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Category:Zhongshanese people to Category:People from Zhongshan
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Category:Xinhuinese people to Category:People from Xinhui

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Category:Panyunese people to Category:People from Panyu

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename [all to] use the People from Foo format. ProveIt (talk) 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all per nom. David Kernow 00:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC), amended 14:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all per nom for consistency. --musicpvm 03:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all three per nom. Two of the redirects look OK too, though they each have a trivial number of G-hits in English. But Zhongshanese also looks like a recognised ethnic emigrant group and so I'd be cautious about redirecting Z-people to a residence cat. The same thing will come up again with a number of the other Chinese people cats if we work through the whole lot.--Mereda 10:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all for consistency. --Cswrye 15:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename all per nom. Osomec 13:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all Nomination is incorrectly applied. The names of these Categories say nothing about nationality, and they include people whose residency is not the places in question, so the residency rule on naming Categories do not apply here. These templates are ancestry templates. --- Hong Qi Gong 02:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • In which case, perhaps new categories with names explicitly referring to ancestry required...?  Regards, David Kernow 15:41, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment If the renaming happens (and I've voted for it) then articles should be moved manually so that each new category only contains residents in the normal way. A separate issue is whether we ought to support categorization of ancestry by city (and maybe recycle the original category names), but I don't see good general arguments for doing that. Norms for describing ethnicity or emigration groups work better at a higher level than individual cities of origin (like Tamil emigration from India to South Africa), even though Zhongshanese people could admittedly be argued as an exception (see Chinatown etc). What I really don't see is why historic migration inside a country, say residents of Hong Kong who have (or claim) ancestral family links to Panyun, would be a good basis for a category. Am I missing something? --Mereda 14:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's a common cultural norm for Chinese people to know where their 鄉下 is. (Xiangxia, in this case, translated to ancestral home or ancestral village). For a lot of Cantonese people, that means cities like Taishan, Zhongshan, Xinhui, Kaiping, etc etc. Even for a lot of Overseas Chinese people in western countries, they'd know where their Xiangxia is, because there's a history of Overseas Chinese grouping themselves together with people from the same city or with the same surname. This is why categories by ancestral cities are notable. --- Hong Qi Gong 15:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional villainess'

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The result of the debate was delete; found empty --Kbdank71 14:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional villainess' to Category:Fictional villainesses

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Category:Nonfiction television series

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 11:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Nonfiction television series to Category:Non-fiction television series

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Category:Congenital genetic disorders

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The result of the debate was delete (merge has been completed). the wub "?!" 11:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Congenital genetic disorders into Category:Genetic disorders

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Category:English-born United States pop musicians

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category is too specific and does not follow musician category naming conventions. --musicpvm 21:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Conservatives who believe Global warming is caused by humans

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

POV category clutter. --musicpvm 21:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Audio book narrators

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 14:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Audio book narrators (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Classical Tamil to Category:Tamil literature

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both cats seem to be for Tamil literature; they point to the same main article and contain many of the same articles. Category:Tamil literature is consistent with other literature categories, so Category:Classical Tamil should be merged into it and deleted. --musicpvm 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Radio DJs in the UK to Category:British radio DJs

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 10:17, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I previously nominated this for a merge (see discussion here). The result of that debate was "no consensus", but most users agreed it should be renamed to Category:British radio DJs, as that name would be consistent with its parent cats. --musicpvm 21:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Numbered routes in Massachusetts

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Numbered routes in Massachusetts to Category:Massachusetts State Highways

er, sorry. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Highways/U.S. state highway naming conventions. --Tckma 02:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion appears to be about the articles and not the category names. The table there uses both forms for categories. Has the project selected a standard for category names? Vegaswikian 04:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pro-Soviet Propaganda Films

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The result of the debate was no consensus on merge; renaming it to Category:Pro-Soviet propaganda films to fix capitalization --Kbdank71 14:27, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Soviet propaganda films. -- ProveIt (talk) 20:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems more listworthy than major Cat under that presumption. And, you'd need to balance that with lists for Anti-Soviet films, and Soviet-Neutral World War II films. Then there are Pro-Germany/Anti-Germany, Pro-French and Anti-French, Pro-British and Anti-British, Pro-American and Anti-American, Pro-Japan and Anti-Japan, Pro-Axis/Anti-Axis, Pro-Allies/Anti-Allies, Pro-War/Anti-War themed films to account for, to balance it out. All of which seems to me to simply lead to overcategorization - Wikiclutter, a major problem with this whole site. And any Cat name doesn't address the problem that the articles put into the original Cat are being written with a decidedly pro-McCarthy, anti-Soviet POV. I could even easily read in the plot summary for NORTHERN STAR a pro-Nazi slant. This whole business smells of politicization, not categorization. 12.73.196.170
  • Keep. The argument that there ought to be an anti-Soviet film category is spurious. These films were deliberately made to create a positive response to the Soviet Union during the Second World War. Later, during the beginning of the Cold War, these films were used as examples of Hollywood's alleged pro-Soviet bias. Therefore, there ought to be a specific category of Western films that were Pro-Soviet. Also, these films are different from the category Soviet Propaganda films, since none of these movies are Soviet—they are all American. Thus there needs to be a differentiation between Soviet films made for propaganda purposes (such Alexander Nevsky, et al.), and American and European films that were Pro-Soviet (such as Mission to Moscow et al.)--TallulahBelle 01:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • What Pompous Poop. "These" films were "deliberately" made because there was already an established alliance between the US and USSR during WWII, and American audiences were willing to pay to see films featuring Soviet people in a positive light. Before Pearl Harbor, there were numerous American films set in a sound-of-music Germany, but no one calls them Pro Nazi Propaganda films; likewise, there were few if any Anti-Soviet films, but lots of blatantly negatively stereotyped portrayals of Japanese and other Oriental groups which had nothing to do with political differences between our country and theirs. I can agree that "there ought" to be a reference list somewhere of films used by the McCarthyites to "prove" Soviet Communism was taking over the film industry, polluting our minds and corrupting our youth, but I don't accept that setting up a whole category to do that is needed: a list in the relevant article(s) on that period will suffice. Also, in your grand scheme of things, where would you plan to put all the post-War Pro-Soviet war movies that were turned out in other European countries "liberated" and reformed by the Soviets according to the doctrines of Stalinism, and all the Soviet-made war films that were imported into the USA, edited and dubbed and distributed through major US venues, up to and including the Academy Award winning documentary MOSCOW STRIKES BACK (Republic Pictures Corp., 1944), which were just as much a part of any fancied "deliberate" conspiracy to "create a positive response to the Soviet Union"? 12.73.196.170.
  • Another Argument to Keep. Whenever someone freaks out about some information, and is hell-bent on suppressing it, as 12.73.196.170 so clearly is, I'm usually all in favor of it. More information and more cross-referencing can never hurt. Also, I usually can't take seriously the arguments of someone who doesn't have to nerve to identify him/her/itself with anything more than a number. --TallulahBelle 22:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Speaking of Propaganda! TallulahBelle is the creator of the Cat!! No wonder she raves so for keeping it, while pretending to just be passing by. TallulahBull.
  • Merge per nom, or delete. Barely used category and POV magnet. KleenupKrew 02:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedian radioheads

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Standardizing these subcategories of category:Wikipedians interested in radio, in the manner of category:Wikipedians who listen to KROQ:

I didn’t spell out NPR or LBC because I think they’re much better known by their abbreviations.--Mike Selinker 19:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jewish Islam topics

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Judeo-Islamic topics. the wub "?!" 11:51, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish Islam topics to Category:Judeo-Islamic Topics

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Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:22, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Universities and colleges affiliated with the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The GARBC is independent and does not associate itself with any colleges. user:EricJD 05:03, 7 August 2006
  • Comment - It is possible for colleges to affiliate with a denomination even if the denomination is independent. For example, there are several colleges affiliated with the Church of Christ even though that denomination is strictly congregationalist. --Cswrye 20:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Asad TV

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Asad TV (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hoax user:Danny Lilithborne 23:45, 6 August 2006
  • Obvious strong delete part of a looooooong list of edits related to a hoax. Whichever editor closes the debate should at the same time make sure that the creator is blocked for a sensible period of time, if not indefinitely. Pascal.Tesson 03:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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More cultural Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:41, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Per this CfD and others, I’m suggesting adding Wikipedian to some names, and standardizing formatting.

Two templates here: Wikipedians who read X and Wikipedians who like X (the latter matching TV). Wikipedians who read X could become Wikipedians who like X if we prefer. (The WWE one is based on the theory that WWE is more of a TV show than a sport.)--Mike Selinker 17:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Wikipedia:WikiProject Classical Tamil

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:19, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:WikiProject Classical Tamil. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Universities and colleges of Punjab to Category:Universities and colleges of Punjab (India)

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the state of Punjab (India), not Punjab (Pakistan). -- ProveIt (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Celebrities who have starred in an episode of Tom Goes to the Mayor

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Probably ought to be a list in Tom Goes to the Mayor. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Students who committed suicide

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Students who committed suicide (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Latin American composers

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just a subset of Category:Composers by nationality. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, what is your point? Latin American composers are a specific subset of composers with a lot in common. As it is, in looking for Latin American composers one would have to search in all the individual categories for composers from each nation, which is a deficiency that was remedied by having this category. Badagnani 16:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Business/postads

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The result of the debate was speedy deleted. the wub "?!" 11:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Business/postads (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Guitar virtuosi

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like POV to me ... -- ProveIt (talk) 14:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you're probably right. My bad.--C1k3 01:13, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Bassists and Bass guitarists, Expert help needed

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The result of the debate was cats not tagged for two weeks, closing discussion --Kbdank71 15:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These form the root of a tangled tree, which I discovered when Category:British bass guitarists showed up on the uncategorized categories list. I think expert help is really needed here. -- ProveIt (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think there are more articles categorised in the English bassists, American bassists, and American rock bassists that anything in the bass guitarist categories. The term bassist is used far more often, than "bass guitarist" in the rock press. I know someone created British Bass guitarists, Scottish bass guitarists without actually bothering to check what other people were categorised as. I would think deleting the british bass guitarists, scottish bass guitarists, and and welsh bass guitarists would be the best option as the scottish bassists, english bassist, welsh bassist categories are the ones being used more.

I haven't looked at the articles but something that springs to mind is the double bass as played by Willie Dixon and other blues musicians. Is this only about bass guitar because if not it makes a difference? --BlackJack | talk page 19:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"The term bassist is used far more often, than "bass guitarist" in the rock press" - this could be a national thing, because I've heard the terms "bass guitarist" and "bass player" far far more often than "bassist" in the Australian rock press. --Stormie 04:13, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: None of these were tagged for deletion, merging, whatever. After reading the discussion, I don't know what the nominator wanted to do, so I'm not tagging them. They are being relisted, though, so someone who knows what is wanted should probably either tag them or move the discussion to a talk page until they come up with a solution. Original discussion here. --Kbdank71 14:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually I wasn't sure what, if anything, we should do with them. The problem is that the term bassist is ambiguous. Currently we're making Fooish bass guitarists usually be a subcat of Fooish bassists, and most people seem to ok with that. -- ProveIt (talk)
  • Comment: Given the ambiguity of the term "bassist" or "bass player" as it applies to the bass guitar (such as Flea (musician)) and the double bass (such as Charlie Mingus), I think maintaining some kind of distinction between the two is pretty important, particularly since there's overlap between the two within musical genres. How about "bass guitarists" for the former, and "double bassists"/"double bass players" for the latter, with both downstream from an overall header of "bassists" (to help catch sloppy miscategorizations)?-Hit bull, win steak(Moo!) 17:40, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think that is a good idea, although I am not sure what we could call musicians who play the double bass. Both double bassists and double bass players strike me as awkward, but still it would be better than the way it is now. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I noticed this problem as well and had decided to paint it pink and put a Somebody Else's Problem field around it. Now that it's being addressed, I think I like the separation suggested, with the double bass players and bass guitarists options. Because of the sheer number of each, however, we're still ikely to need some subcats by nationality or something. --Geoff Capp 17:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Alumni of Saint Joseph's Institution to Category:Saint Joseph's Institution alumni

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Usual convention for alumni categories. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:14, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
i created the original category but if the new suggested category abides by overwhelming convention i don't suppose anybody would complain Chensiyuan 02:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Caliphates to Category:Caliphate

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The result of the debate was reverse merge --Kbdank71 15:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both these categories exist, Caliphates however had only 2 entries and was listed under Caliphate. I moved the two entries to Caliphate leaving this one empty. Its an obvious duplication.--Tigeroo 09:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Reverse merge By convention, category names are plural. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The Caliphate is the Muslim name for the period when Islam was collectively ruled under one caliph. In a sense Caliphates might refer to the few recognized historical caliphates, but Caliphate is a category something like Category:France. Let me think about this one a bit more, I don't think it's exactly wrong, but it is potentially confusing. --Dhartung | Talk 20:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've alerted WikiProject Islam for their input. --Dhartung | Talk 20:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Performers by record label to Category:Musicians by record label

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The result of the debate was rename/merge into Category:Artists by record label --Kbdank71 15:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The performers category should be merged into the musicians category as they both mean the same thing. All other categories use the term "musician". --musicpvm 07:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:New Super Mario Bros. media

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:New Super Mario Bros. media (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Indo China Kingdoms

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indo China Kingdoms (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Post-Hardcore Bands to Category:Post-hardcore groups

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 15:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Convention of Category:Musical groups by genre. -- ProveIt (talk) 07:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Multi-Platinum albums

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_July_15#Category:Albums_by_sales_and_subcategories. -- ProveIt (talk) 07:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Candy (food)

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Confectionery. -- ProveIt (talk) 07:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian hardcore musical groups

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:48, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Australian hardcore punk and metalcore groups. -- ProveIt (talk) 07:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arabian Slaveholders

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The result of the debate was already renamed to Category:Arabian slaveholders --Kbdank71 14:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't we already do this one? -- ProveIt (talk) 06:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
July 27: the result was no consensus. It's even listed on the discussion page. --M@rēino 15:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I withdraw my cfd. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Candy to Category:Candy (band)

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To match Candy (band). -- ProveIt (talk) 06:23, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports in Japan

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:47, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Sport in Japan. -- ProveIt (talk) 06:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Filipino people by ethnic or national origin

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:23, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The creation of these categories got a bit out of hand, apparently. The heritage of many of these people are either 1. not notable or 2. unverfiable or even both. For example, The late President Marcos was allegedly part Japanese, but that doesn't merit a new category, does it? There isn't much potential for any of the categories, except for Chinese-Filipino one, since there is a distinct Chinese community in the Philippines and not, say, a Catalan or Swiss one! --Chris S. 04:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If someone is Chinese-Filipino, then you can use: [[Category:Chinese]] and [[Category:Filipinos]] on the article. If someone is Chinese-Spanish-Filipino-Hawaiian, are you going to make a category for them too? I think you get my point. --HResearcher 05:19, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per Chris. :) --Noypi380 08:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all that are not notable groups within Filipino society (i.e., keep Chinese-Filipino). Someone could easily want to search for Chinese-Filipinos, which you can't do if the categories are listed separately. --Dybryd 09:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If we did what HResearcher suggested, there would be constant revert wars, with people correctly saying that a Swiss- or Chinese-Filipino who lives in the Phillipines is not Swiss or Chinese and does not belong in category Swiss or category Chinese. --M@rēino 15:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Not usually notable and often unverfiable. --Cswrye 20:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - getting rid of "ethnicity category pages" has been tried before and the vote was a stalemate, and it doesn t make sense to have some such as the mentioned Category:Lebanese Canadians and not others Mayumashu 15:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment to Mareino & Maymashu. There is a huge difference between a Lebanese Canadian and a Japanese Filipino. Most Lebanese Canadians identify with both of their Lebanese and Canadian cultures. The Japanese Filipinos in the categories include ex-President Ferdinand Marcos, his daughter, and the national hero José Rizal. Well, this is certainly news to me and most Filipinos for these historical figures never made any mention of any supposed Japanese descendancy, and if it were true, it was probably a distant relative. Take myself for instance. If there were an article about me, I would expect to be categorized under Category:Filipino Americans and not, say Category:Swiss-Filipinos. The Swiss hertiage from my 7th great-grandfather John Lidi is not particularly notable and additionally, I don't identify with Switerzland or Swiss German culture.
    • Furthermore, I suggest both of you read Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(categories)#Heritage, which says "Heritage categories should not be used to record people based on deduction, inference, residence, surname, nor any partial derivation from one or more ancestors." It is by these criteria that one is to avoid that these individuals are being categorized under. And lastly, keep in mind that the number of supposed XXXXXXX-Filipinos isn't great enough to justify their own categories - there is very little potential - just look in the categories themselves and you will see the meager number within each one. --Chris S. 00:46, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
but some Lebanese Canadians or Americans don't identify (wholly, partially ?) with their community and it can be too POV to 'deduce' which ones do and don t. i m against ethnicity categorizing of people aside from first generation immigrants but given that the American pages cannot be voted away then these category pages too have a right to exist. i too am against including the Marcoses as Japanese Filipinos based on the info you ve given here, Chris S. i would agree to deleting cat pages empty after a purge of non - first-generation immigrants, but i don t know how many other users would see it this way. Mayumashu 05:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I originally created a lot of those categories thinking they would be harmless. Dybryd’s suggestion of keeping a separate category for Chinese-Filipinos and other notable ethnic groups does make sense. Since Filipinos of considerable European ancestry, along with Chinese-Filipinos, do maintain practices, traditions, and world-views that distinguish them significantly from the general population, I suggest we merge all hyphenated Filipino categories denoting European ancestry under just one category, like European-Filipino or similar. —Lagalag 08:41, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment What is a European-Filipino, though? Is there a community of European-Filipinos? Again, the same criteria for deletion I applied to the above categories certainly applies to this one. --Chris S. 16:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, I could certainly tell you that there exists a community of Italian-Filipinos who, just like Chinese-Filipinos, identify themselves as such and as distinct from the general population. I believe the same could be said about other European ethnic groups in the Philippines, that’s why I proposed merging them into just one. Of course, we could also just keep the existing subcategories as, like Hmains below said, Wikipedia is not static. —Lagalag 03:09, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Such sub-categories are the only way to account for people from one country who became citizens of another. Philippines is no different from other country; its immigrant citizens and their descendants deserve the same treatment and respect as those of other countries, such as the U.S. And the number of such people will increase over time; WP is not a static, as of this moment, view of things; it is being built both for now and the indefinite future. Thanks Hmains 18:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. A quick examination found no legitimate members of these categories, where the persons verifiably self-identify. My favorite being the Zóbel de Ayala family, German emigrant ancestor circa 1832, possible Basque-Filipino ancestor circa 1866, for some odd reason the many generations of Philipino women they married having no importance. That 64th fraction appearing as part of a surname is "notable"? ... deduction, inference, residence, surname, nor any partial derivation from one or more ancestors. --William Allen Simpson 21:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep all. — Instantnood 00:14, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional perverts

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional perverts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)


per·vert Pronunciation Key (pr-vûrt)
tr.v. per·vert·ed, per·vert·ing, per·verts
1. To cause to turn away from what is right, proper, or good; corrupt.
2. To bring to a bad or worse condition; debase.
3. To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse. See Synonyms at corrupt.
4. To interpret incorrectly; misconstrue or distort: an analysis that perverts the meaning of the poem.

The verb of the word however brings out the defination that this category is trying to represent. One who practices sexual perversion.

My point is that I don't agree with Tjstrf's idea of simply deleting it, I mean the description can be corrected without reccomending it for deletion. However the only issue I have is the multiple definitions of the word so I would suggest to deleted this category and move the material to differently named category where there won't be a definition issue. -Adv193 06:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Marvel Man Villains

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Marvel Man Villains (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Actors that portrayed heroes or villains

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 08:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Actors that portrayed heroes or villains (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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