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Category:Dadaists

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Dadaist Wikipedians. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:James Patterson

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:James Patterson novels, convention of Category:Novels by author. -- ProveIt (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:PC users

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use personal computers, same name proposed for Category:User pc. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Education in Kanpur

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 17:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Schools in Kanpur. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Adriana Lima

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, as I recall, we decided against personal supermodel categories. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Michael 22:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, The result of the last discussion was delete, but it seems like only the parent cat and a few subcats were deleted. I don't see any listed at WP:CFD/W either. Maybe because I didn't tag all of them as it was a recent mass creation.

These all still need to be deleted (I have tagged all of them now.)

--musicpvm 22:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated the tags for you, the umbrella format is a little different. To make the links work correcly, you need to specify the umbrella tag. It's best to include the transclusion date as well, or the link will stop working a week later. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Speedy delete Per WP:CSD#G4, deletion of recreated material, as per deletion on July 13. Category protected against further recreation. Hiding Talk 23:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional blondes

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Category:Fictional blondes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Spanish-Canadians

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:24, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Spanish-Canadians to Category:Spanish Canadians

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category:Supporters of NZ Olympians to category:Wikipedian New Zealand Olympic team fans

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The only Olympic team fans category, renaming to match other categories in category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams.--Mike Selinker 16:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hindu politicians

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 17:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hindu politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

  • Keep deleted,Infact there is nothing like Hindu Politician.Although there are hindu politicians they are not recognised as such.They may however be listed like Brahman Politician,Dalit Politician etc.Because the criteria here is notability.Such categories which does not exist in reality are hardly notable.HW 17:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • NoteReligion based politics/icians are not notable?Bakaman Bakatalk 17:56, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment:There are two separate discussions running here as pointed above by Rama's Arrow. Can somebody with knowledge of policy, correct this and bring the discussion to a single page please -- Lost(talk) 17:49, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extremely strong Keep, Bottom line is that is there are categories for Muslim politicians, Jewish politicians etc there should be a category for Hindu politicians also. Plus, to say that there is "no such thing as a Hindu politician" is completely false. There are many politicians in India and in other countries who are both of the Hindu faith as well as who campaign for issues that are pertinent and relevant to all Hindus regardless of sub-denomination. Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician.Shiva's Trident 18:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I do not know why there is another CfD when a previous CfD had reached consensus to delete. My main reason for delete is that this category's main purpose is to divide on basis of religious lines and thus insert POV into wikipedia. Look at the reasons above. - "Members of the previouss center-right coalition govt, as well as members of various parties such as BJP definitely come under the category of Hindu politician". Does that mean that the others are not Hindu politicians? Who is going to check if all entries are correct. Previously the people like Maneka Gandhi and Sangma were tagged as Hindu politicians. Quoting Hornplease from the previous CfD "If we leave this in, someone will go around randomly adding Indian politicians to the category, completing diluting the information value of the categories on pages with not much other information". - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC)Changed to no vote per my discussion with Bakasuprman.-Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wow!Now that's what I call twisting my words to serve an agenda! I never implied exclusivity to the NDA (center right coalition) in my last post. Simply a notable example.Plus, the same reasoning as yours applies to the Muslim politicians sections too.Why aren't you bothering them there? Afriad of getting shot at? If somebody goes around "randomly adding politicians into the category" then another will "randomly" question their addition in the talk page, discussion will "randomly" ensue, a "random" consensus will be reached, maybe with a few admins hanging around to make sure everything's nice and kosher and then, quite "randomly", unmeritorious additions will be REMOVED. THAT'S HOW WIKIPEDIA WORKS!!!!! Anyone can randomly add anything anywhere. That's not a legitimate pretext to demand removal.Statement retracted in light of Aksi's new stand regarding this travesty.Shiva's Trident 20:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hindu politicians are not just restricted to India. There are many in countries like Fiji, USA or United Kingdom.nids(♂) 18:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, look at the first line of the category - "They may or may not be associated with Hindutva or the Sangh Parivar.". There should be no need to mention this if it was just another categorising like Muslim politicians or Christian politicians. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:33, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note sentence removed. Why only deleting the Hindu cat? Bakaman Bakatalk 18:36, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aksi - we only need to invoke the policy of verifiability to take care of the last reason (the one attributed to Hornplease). For the benefit of others, other deletion debates for religion based categories may be found here -- Lost(talk) 18:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment and that DRV has a "speedy close" listed, because it's listed here.
Reply - Thats not really a good reason to vote delete. Its quite easy for you to add them if you so wish.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is what I wrote on the deletion review page: I voted to delete earlier. But it appears that consistency suggests that this cat must exist, although I continue to think that all religion based cats are unencyclopaedic unless religion directly impacts what the person is notable for. (So "Christian philosopher" is automatically acceptable, but "Christian athlete" is not, unless the athlete in question is notable as an evangelical or his religion itself has received public attention.) Further, the last time the cat was appearing randomly on various cats - such as Indira Gandhi, without citation. As I mentioned that time, on what basis do we classify someone as Hindu? Being born Hindu is not enough. I raised the issue of Bal Thackeray, who proclaimed atheism after his wife died. But does that mean he is no longer Hindu? Nehru was an outspoken atheist, and we have no idea what Indira and Rajiv believe. What about communists like Jyoti Basu? This cat will be simply meaningless. All religion based cats have this problem, but Hinduism, because of its unique structure, poses a particular problem. So I suppose my vote is delete.Hornplease 06:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note - Why the discrimination? No major commies have been added, neither have any of the Gandhi's or Nehru seeing as they were probably Muslim.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep:It would be discriminatory to delete this category on account of the fact that the same ambiguities apply to all other religious categories but they will not be deleted. Hindu politicians means those politicians who speak for Hindus as a people, so communists like Basu, Karat etc do not count into the category. Thackeray should not ,ideally, count either, nor do Gandhu, Nehru etc since neither of them spoke for the Hindu point of view.Hkelkar 23:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am even more concerned after the last two comments. The first comment is beneath notice, but Kelkar's comment reveals (a) some people mnay have missed the point that Hinduism, as it is more pliable than practically any other religion in terms of what one may believe and still proclaim that one is a Hindu, raises unique questions of ambiguity and (b) "speaking for Hindus as a people" is a particularly difficult categorisation, and if that is what is meant, the title of the cat should reflect it. Note that that interpretation clashes with what Subhash Bose, writing as Shiva's Trident, says above. Hornplease 05:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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PROPOSAL: WP:WCFD

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Category:SpongeBob SquarePants fans

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:14, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Wikipedians who like SpongeBob SquarePants. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Media in Eritrea

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Category:Media of Eritrea

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge [both] into Category:Eritrean media, convention of Category:Media by country. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:OCWF

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Orange Country Wrestling Federation. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was speedy delete, G5, created by banned user evading arb-com ban thgrough sock puppet, see Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/T-man, the Wise Scarecrow. Hiding Talk 15:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:DC Animated Universe characters

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Merge into Category:DC animated characters, an existing subcat of Category:DC animated universe. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename one of those--The Judge 13:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "DC Animated Universe charactes" category contains all DC Comics characters appearing in the DCAU (the TV series and movies created by the production team of Bruce Timm and Paul Dini, while Category:DC animated characters contains only the DC characters *created* in *any* animated TV series (Filmation, Hannah-Barbera, Bruce Timm, Jeff Matzuda, etc.). Some of the last category have been already adapted to the current continuity comics, but not all of them. However, I was never sure about the name of the category, maybe it should be moved to something like "Characters appearing in the DC Animated Universe"... but then again, I ignore how would it affect the artcles linking to the category with its current name.--The Judge 13:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The merge probably shouldn't happen as nominated. The DCAU is separate from, say, Teen Titans (TV series) so merging them together destroys the encyclopedic value of the category. I'm not sure the encyclopedic value is all that high, but it's definitely different.--Mike Selinker 15:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Teen Titans continuity is somewhat tied to DCAU's so there is not much problem there. The problem, however is that the Filmation, Hannah-Barbera and Jeff Matzuda aren't so merging them together would destroy the encyclopedic value of the category as you said. --The Judge 21:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unfamilier with the subject, and happy to go along with any consensus... -- ProveIt (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I created the category, but if I could, now that it's still soon enough (meaning there is not much people involved with the category yet), I'd move it to "Characters appearing in the DC Animated Universe", since that's more appropiate for the porpouse of the category, wich is to list all articles about characters created by DC Comics that also appear in the series and movies created by Bruce Timm.--The Judge 05:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion: Have the "DC Animated Universe characters" category (including only characters from the Dini-Timm series) as a subcat of "DC animated characters" (including characters from series such as Teen Titans and Superfriends). Perhaps rename to make the distinction clearer. -- Supermorff 19:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, DC animated characters is only for characters created in animation. DC animatd universe characters is for ALL characters apeariing in the universe created by Bruce Timm and Paul Dini.--The Judge 00:25, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, then forget that suggestion. I've attempted to make that distinction clearer with an introductory paragraph to the "animated characters" cat. It does raise the question of what to do with the "Category:Teen Titans animated series characters", which technically doesn't belong as a subcat of either and yet is a subcat of both. "animated characters", as you've described, also no longer belongs as a subcat of "Cat:DC animated universe". -- Supermorff 10:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People who turned down a role on The Simpsons

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Kill it now, before it spreads. This is even worse than the guest star categories. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:27, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete with extreme prejudice The most useless category on Wikipedia ever. Wasted Time R 13:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Message Oriented Middleware

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The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Message-orientated middleware --Kbdank71 17:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Message Oriented Middleware to Category:Message oriented middleware

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Category:American football kickers

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American football kickers to Category:American football placekickers

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Wikipedian rugby fans

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing the proposed conversion of the international subcategories of category:Wikipedians interested in sports teams. I tried to keep the distinction between rugby league and rugby union, which I have been accused (correctly) of not understanding. I'm proposing "fans" to match all changed categories of category:wikipedians interested in sports teams. As always, if you have an alternate proposal, speak up.--Mike Selinker 05:52, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Catholic Churches in Washington, D.C.

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Catholic Churches in Washington, D.C. to Category:Roman Catholic churches in Washington, D.C.

--WikiCats 01:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How many English speakers do you know who would not recognise the phrase "Roman Catholic Church"? Osomec 10:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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City and town seals

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 17:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:City and town seals of California to Category:Official seals of places in California

Category:City and town seals of Idaho to Category:Official seals of places in Idaho

Category:City and town seals of Massachusetts to Category:Official seals of places in Massachusetts

Category:City and town seals of New Hampshire to Category:Official seals of places in New Hampshire

Category:City and town seals of Ohio to Category:Official seals of places in Ohio

Category:City and town seals of Pennsylvania to Category:Official seals of places in Pennsylvania

Category:City and town seals of South Carolina to Category:Official seals of places in South Carolina

Category:City and town seals of Virginia to Category:Official seals of places in Virginia

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Category:Entertainers of Louisianan Creole Decent

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 17:04, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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