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Taoguang Yanghui

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This article should be moved to draft as it still needs much work. At present, it is a rough translation and remains very essay-like. Amigao (talk) 01:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People's Republic of China's civilian motor vehicle license plates

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Odd fork of Vehicle registration plates of China. Another editor redirected it there, but was reverted with the (dubious, in my opinion) reason that "zh wiki has two separate articles". Most of the content here duplicates Vehicle registration plates of China and I can find no compelling reason to keep a fork. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Some contents are duplicated with Vehicle registration plates of China. Shwangtianyuan Defeat the virus together 14:52, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Redirect to retain the functionality of the language switcher from zh.wp. The xtools reports for the zh articles are pretty interesting: the vehicle registration plates article is slightly older, but the civilian vehicle registration plates article has fifteen times as many inlinks and sees three times as much traffic. Both have similar numbers of edits and distinct editors. This isn't an argument for or against any course of action here, but the fork is somewhat mystifying. Folly Mox (talk) 11:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xuemin Lin

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As the subject of this page, I respectfully request its removal. Given that Wikipedia allows anyone to edit content without my approval, I have concerns about potential inaccuracies or misrepresentations. Therefore, I prefer that my personal information not be displayed or managed in this way, and I hope this request can be granted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aumuja (talk • contribs) 01:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • I do not have the user rights to view the content of the deleted version. Based on David's summary, it seems to be related to defamation of the subject rather than the disclosure of their public personal details. (Correct me if I misunderstood.) In this case, the subject should file their case at WP:RFO to request the suppression of the defamation claims, rather than having the entire article deleted. (and since David has already taken this step, perhaps we can consider the nominator's concerns alleviated and the deletion rationale resolved.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 13:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Agree with above points: if notability is somewhat marginal, then we should honor the wishes of the subject, but I don't see anything marginal here. Being Fellow of the IEEE is particularly a bright line pass of NPROF. "Weak" only because I do give some weight to the wishes of the subject. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Men Who Lost China

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Similar to the recently deleted article on The World Without US by the same filmmaker, no signs of significant coverage. The article's current sourcing is not independent or significant, and I could not find any signs of further coverage after an online search (given that the film has less than 100,000 views on YouTube, I doubt that coverage exists). RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

China's Century of Humiliation

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Similar to the recently deleted article on The World Without US by the same filmmaker, no signs of significant coverage. The article's current sourcing is not independent or significant, and the best I found from a Google search is a forum review, which is not significant. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:28, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ni Bo

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The article is rather sizeable, but written from primary sources and with overblown claims.

  • First regarding the sources: not a single one is significant and independent. They are all primary sources, including a press release from Wuhan Zall; passing mentions, stats or 404s.
  • The article lists numerous trophies he won with Guangzhou Evergrande in 2011, 2012, 2013. He did not play a single league game during those years, and no games in the Chinese Super League. Only 2 cup games for Evergrande, as well as four substitutions in the second tier. It might be the case that China awards trophies to people who didn't participate for a single minute in those competitions (some other countries don't), but I don't think that's something he he inherits notability from.
  • He did have brief spells with two clubs in China's second tier (unfortunately we don't have the no. of minutes) and played 614 minutes in Hong Kong, neither of which are strong claims to notability. He did not play a single league game for Wuhan Zall either. What events would have generated coverage then?

If presented one or two independent sources with significant coverage I might change my mind. Otherwise, I don't think this is strong enough. Geschichte (talk) 20:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tau Corvi (talk) 15:56, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Huaguo

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WP:BEFORE shows that this is barely mentioned in reliable sources which is not enough to pass WP:SIGCOV. There may be other elements of the novel that could be notable but this is a very minor element. Jontesta (talk) 01:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 19:22, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 01:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's only on the 53rd page of Google Scholar results for the pinyin version of the article subject that you start academic papers without the pinyin in the title. Almost all of them are inaccessible to me, but from what is accessible, it seems there is a lot of in-depth research. For example, this Korean paper [1][2] is a 30+ page article analyzing the location from a Buddhist perspective and appears in an accredited journal indexed by the Korean Studies Information Service System and DBpia, both of which are used by western research libraries (e.g. [3] [4] from the University of Toronto). Can you explain why your BEFORE research led you to conclude that literally 100s of Chinese scholarly articles with the subject in the title actually barely mention the subject? Although the article would obviously be improved by citations, WP:NEXIST seems to obviously apply here. Perhaps reaching out to editors who are more familiar with and have access to Chinese-language sources would be helpful (e.g. WP:CHINA) instead of deletion. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are sources that talk about the setting, but not this singular setting. The Flaming Mountains are one such example of a notable article, or even the identically named Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) that we don't want to confuse this mountain with. I have not seen evidence that this is notable as a singular and distinct article. Jontesta (talk) 19:02, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I literally provided an example of an article that is about the fictional setting. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". That is obviously not about any real life location.
    Filtering the results to also include "西遊記" ("Journey to the West") allows us to home in on again, multiple pages of articles about the fictional mountain. For example: "汤克勤. "自由家园的建构与超越——《 西游记》“花果山” 新解." 广州大学学报: 社会科学版 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65. (via Google Translate: Tang Keqin. "The Construction and Transcendence of a Free Homeland: A New Interpretation of "Mount Huaguo" in Journey to the West." Journal of Guangzhou University: Social Sciences Edition 10, no. 3 (2011): 60-65.) and 许兆康. "试析《 西游记》 之花果山的真实地点." 神州民俗 4 (2011): 150-153. (via Google Translate: Xu Zhaokang. "An Analysis of the Real Location of the Flower-Fruit Mountain in Journey to the West." Chinese Folklore 4 (2011): 150-153) both appear to be focused on the fictional mountain foremost.
    I'm not familiar enough with the research, but if the Huaguo in Jiangsu has academic consensus for being the inspiration for the literary version, then perhaps a merger is warranted as an alternative to deletion. At the very least, there appear to be many academic articles describing how Lianyungang has used the connection for tourism, though some articles seem to propose alternate locations. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, some of those sources discuss Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), the real location. I still don't see how this interpretation of it justifies a second alternative article. (The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain.) I can see the good faith in discussing an WP:ATD like merge, but there would be very little to keep since this article is totally without sources. Jontesta (talk) 21:42, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have provided prima facie proof that at least three scholarly articles are primarily focused around the fictional mountain, which is usually enough to meet WP:GNG. I do not have access to these articles/do not read Korean, but given the very high amount of Google Scholar hits for both the mountain and the work, it seems very likely that more academic work on the matter exists.
    "The Korean article doesn't focus on the right mountain" Not sure what you're talking about here. The title of the Korean article is "A Buddhist reading about Mountain of Flowers and Fruits(花果山) in Journey to the West(西遊記)". As far as I know, there is only one Huaguoshan in the book. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. In addition to User:Patar knight's points above, there are several sources cited at zh:花果山 (西遊記) about different theories as to what real mountains the fictional mountain may have been based on. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu) where this is already covered. Journey to the West takes place in the (mythologized) real world and we don't have separate JTTW articles for the Silk Road or Emperor Taizong. I would consider a merge, but there is nothing sourced here to WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Of course, this place is fictional, but note that it has been identified with several real-life mountains and a major subject of Chinese literature. In the modern era, many mountain areas have been established as Mount Huaguo, which has become a popular tourist attraction in China. I also oppose merging with Mount Huaguo (Jiangsu), one of many inspirations for the fictional mountain, because it can be misleading. There are more than eight mountains identified as the real Mount Huaguo. This mountain is more notable or significant than Lonely Mountain or any other mountain listed in Category:Fictional mountains. Moreover, Journey to the West is not just a random work of fiction; it is one of the most significant works of Chinese literature. It is perfectly reasonable that characters or places from it have their own pages. The fictional Mount Huaguo is highly discussed by many scholars and historians, and there is a substantial amount of literature to explore and research on the subject. The sources could be improved, and here are many suggestions for scholarly articles in Chinese: [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] and books [10], [11], [12], Exploring the Mystery of Huaguo Mountain, The Birth of a Flower-Fruit Mountain and news coverage [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18]. I can see you are a nominator for the deletion of fictional subjects according to your recent contributions. Please note that subjects from major Chinese literature are not comparable to the Western ones you may be familiar with, and they are not the same as the fictional subject articles that you've nominated for deletion through the AfD process. Sacred Chinese novels, such as Investiture of the Gods and Journey to the West, are fictional but intertwined with Chinese folk religion, becoming a national source of spirituality. For example, Sun Wukong is a fictional character in the novel, but the Monkey King is worshipped as a god in the Taoist pantheon, with many temples established in Chinese-speaking regions. These are more than just fictional characters. Yes, Chinese folk traditional culture may be confusing or unfamiliar to white people like you, but please respect Asian culture. Well, note to the nominator: it's fine if you're not knowledgeable in Chinese folklore, but please do some research before making a blind AfD nomination. Thanks. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 19:17, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, I see a rough consensus to Keep this article but I'd like to hear more feedback on the sources brought to this discussion. Please do not make personal attacks against the participants in an AFD, especially based on race or ethnicity. Wikipedia editors are basically anonymous unless they choose to reveal information about themselves so your assumptions are not only inappropriate but likely incorrect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:50, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Really? There is no personal attack. Referring to a Western native as 'white' is not intended as a personal attack or based on their race or ethnicity. The white is officially or legally referring to the Europeans. This is a legal and polite usage. If this usage is marked as a personal attack, trying to change it in the Oxford Dictionary won’t address the issue. Why so serious?. 1.47.210.41 (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that you don't know anything about the background of your fellow editors unless they have chosen to disclose this, you don't know their race, ethnicity or nationality and sometimes, you don't know their gender. So don't make assumptions about them about who is "white" and who is "Asian". Liz Read! Talk! 08:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clear keep. @Patar knight has provided reliable sources, and an IP editor (despite other statements) has provided additional justification of notability. Mrfoogles (talk) 07:20, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

120 Bahadur

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Film is scheduled to be released a year from now and just started filming. Majority of sources are announcements or press releases. CNMall41 (talk) 02:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep my vote is for keep, kindly understand that there are many Hollywood and Bollywood movies that are upcoming in 2025 some are more than a year away yet many already have established wiki pages on them such The Accountant 2, F1, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3, and more the list is endless. The information current available on the film 120 Bahadur is good enough to create a wiki page and as time progress and more info is available the wiki page will definitely grow with time. Moreover it is a film about a historically significant event. So the wiki page deserve a place with other films that are up for release in 2025. Bonadart (talk) 05:18, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument seems to fall under WP:OSE which is not something that can be used to support notability. Can you point out which references are specifically significant coverage that would count towards notability? The ones I see do not but will look at any you provide in case there is something I missed. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i am in no mood to argue, my contention is if The Accountant 2, Now You See Me 3, Jurassic World Rebirth, Jolly LLB 3 which are pure fiction can have well established wiki page, then 120 Bahadur which is based on real life and a immensely historical and significant event if you may think of, also deserves a place, and if you want to talk of capturing space in that case i think this page doesnt even grab a space more than tip of safety pin out of whole wiki sphere. Bonadart (talk) 04:54, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"I am in no mood to argue" - This is a discussion, not an argument. It does sound like maybe you should back away if you are not in the mindspace to discuss. I will reiterate that everything you stated, including in the reply above, would fall under WP:OSE.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the history it previously was. Creator objected to the draft and moved it back to mainspace. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see from page history that the page was moved to draft but it was moved back to mainspace but I am giving benefit of doubt that Bonadart will accept the consensus by the closer, if it ends with draftify and not move it back to mainspace till the film gets significant coverage likely after post-production. RangersRus (talk) 23:00, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I think it is futile to Draftify this article if the content creator is going to immediately move it back to main space so I'd like to see some assurances from them about this. A Redirect was also mentioned but it's not clear what the target article would be.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:22, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soul (app)

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Sources are not suitable according to NCORP criteria; Forbes India only has a small sentence about the app. While China Daily only relies on comments from the Soul:

  • According to Soul, consumers who would like to buy virtual avatars mainly come from first- and second-tier cities. They accounted for more than 44 percent of the total users. Notably, the majority of such consumers are aged between 18 and 27.
  • Che from Soul said the creator economy would spur innovative business models and new monetization avenues, as users continue to invent and inject vitality.
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
    1. Zhang, Shuang 张爽; Wen, Hao 文浩 (2021-05-30). Wang, Yuechuan 王岳川 (ed.). "Soul全梳理：灵魂社交生态延展 打造Gen-Z沉浸式虚拟空间" [Soul Overview: Expanding the Soul Social Ecosystem to Create an Immersive Virtual Space for Gen-Z] (in Chinese). Tianfeng Securities [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.

      The analyst report notes: "Soul成立于2016年，以用户在平台上的弱关系(陌生人社交关系)沉淀和留存为样本，生成用户的社交画像和兴趣图谱，并为用户推荐相关内容或潜在匹配对象。叠加App上游戏化玩法的产品设计，是定位于属于新一代年轻人的虚拟社交网络。2021年3月，DAU达到910万。其中73.9%的DAU在1990年或之后出生。按投票权排序公司的前三大股东分别是Soulgate Holding Limited(实控人为创始人& CEO张璐)、Imagae Frame Investment(HK) Limited(腾讯)和Genesis Capital。"

      From Google Translate: "Founded in 2016, Soul uses the precipitation and retention of users' weak relationships (social relationships with strangers) on the platform as samples to generate users' social portraits and interest maps, and recommend relevant content or potential matches to users. The product design that superimposes the gamification gameplay on the App is positioned as a virtual social network belonging to the new generation of young people. In March 2021, DAU reached 9.1 million. 73.9% of DAU were born in 1990 or later. The company's top three shareholders in order of voting rights are Soulgate Holding Limited (the actual controller is founder & CEO Zhang Lu), Imagae Frame Investment (HK) Limited (Tencent) and Genesis Capital."

    2. McMorrow, Ryan; Liu, Nian; Lockett, Hudson (2022-07-01). "Metaverse dating app popular with young people in China vies for HK listing". Financial Times. Archived from the original on 2022-07-01. Retrieved 2024-10-10.

      The article notes: "But the headwinds to a successful listing for Soul in Hong Kong are significant. ... Wang Qingrui, an independent internet industry analyst, said Soul had cancelled its US listing after rival social app Uki took aim at its business practices last year, alleging unfair competition in a lawsuit. The case arose from two Soul employees posting pornographic images on Uki’s platform, and then reported the company for violations, leading Chinese regulators to ban downloads of its app. Soul said the two employees acted “without our authorisation” and are no longer at the company. The two employees were found guilty. Wang expected Soul’s odds would be better this time. “Trying to list in this type of market, they must already be thoroughly prepared,” he said."

    3. Shen, Timmy; Qian, Long (2021-05-12). Dummer, Joshua (ed.). "Chinese Online Dating App Soul Seeks to Raise $100 Million in U.S. IPO". Caixin. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.

      The article notes: "Soulgate launched its eponymous app in November 2016, matching users to like-minded individuals online via artificial intelligence after they take a personality test and list their interests. The app is especially designed to appeal to younger adults, with 73.9% of its average daily active users (DAUs) in March born in or after 1990. ... Tencent Holdings Ltd. holds 49.9% of Soulgate via a Hong Kong unit and has an aggregate voting power of 25.7%, while Soulgate founder Zhang Lu holds 32% of the company and 65% voting power, the prospectus showed."

    4. "新股前瞻｜Soul转港上市：三年合计亏损逾17亿元，腾讯默默买单" [New Stock Outlook｜Soul's Hong Kong Listing: A Cumulative Loss of Over 1.7 Billion Yuan in Three Years, Tencent Quietly Foots the Bill] (in Chinese). Zhitong Caijing. 2022-07-05. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10 – via Futu.

      The analyst report notes: "总结来看，背靠腾讯这样的“大佬资本”、营收迈入高增长通道、毛利率维持较高水平、Z世代是一片新“社交蓝海”...于关注Soul的投资者而言，这均是Soul身上不容忽视的投资亮点。不过，唯一遗憾的是，该公司目前仍未找到盈利最优解的表现，也正是促使其投资价值“打折”的主要原因。"

      From Google Translate: "In summary, with the backing of "big money" like Tencent, revenue has entered a high-growth channel, gross profit margins have remained at a high level, and Generation Z is a new "social blue ocean"... for investors who are paying attention to Soul , these are investment highlights of Soul that cannot be ignored. However, the only regret is that the company has not yet found the optimal solution for profitability, which is the main reason for the "discount" of its investment value."

    5. "Soul App evolves in the direction of socializing upon hobbies to Avatar economy". The Standard. 2023-07-27. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.

      The article notes: "Zhang comes from a consultancy background. In 2016, as an internet newbie, she designed a prototype with PowerPoint and further set up a team of six people, which gave birth to Soul App, China’s popular gamified social platform featuring virtual identity and common hobbies. As of 2022, Soul attracted 29.4 million MAUs (monthly active users). Moreover, about 80 percent of users are Gen Z."

    6. Law, Julienna (2023-11-27). "How Gen Z app Soul is tackling China's 'friendship recession'". Jing Daily. Archived from the original on 2024-10-10. Retrieved 2024-10-10.

      The article notes: "Soul is still in the early stages of monetization, but the timing for brands couldn’t be better, says Hazel Diliziya, a cultural and marketing consultant at Cherry Blossoms Intercultural Branding. ... Partnerships with Soul don’t look like ordinary banner ads. Rather, Soul helps brands create virtual scenarios to pique user interest and boost engagement. For example, during the Chengdu Motor Show in 2022, Chevrolet hosted a booth with Soul where attendees could design avatars based on Chevrolet’s IP and print them out for their physical admission cards. Soul also invited all its online users to create Chevrolet-themed avatars, which brought the automobile brand nearly 63 million impressions."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Soul to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 07:19, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 18:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources identified by @Cunard. In particular, the Tianfeng Securities report, FT article, and Caixin article are WP:SIRS coverage. Jing Daily is a good article, significant and independent, but I don't know much about reliability of that site so I'd downrank it a bit.
Zhitong Caijing article is substantial bur described here as a reprint of a WeChat post. HK Standard article seems to be churnalism. Oblivy (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]



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Darius Yuen

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BLP of a successful businessman and philanthropist lacking in depth independent coverage. Non-notable awards, Forbes and routine coverage of career moves. Does not seem notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:24, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

    Sources

    1. Tam, Wai-yun 譚蕙芸 (2010-10-25). "金融猛人海嘯「橫財」打貧" [Financial Tycoon Tsunami: 'Windfall' to Fight Poverty.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2010-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Yahoo! News.

      The article notes: "跳槽前，阮勵欣已是政券界猛人，在法國巴黎銀行任亞洲部主管，曾參與蒙牛、比亞迪、百盛、長城汽車上市活動。後來貝爾斯登與中信證券達成合作協議，邀請他任亞洲部主管，他認為新工作更有挑戰，於是在2008年2月辭職，詎料一個月後新公司股價暴跌，3月14日他在休假時，收到一個震撼的電話。"

      From Google Translate: "Before the jump, Darius Yuen was already a strongman in the political and securities industry, working as head of Asia at BNP Paribas and participating in the listing activities of Mong Kok, BYD, Parkson and Great Wall Motors. Bear Stearns later reached a cooperation agreement with CITIC Securities, inviting him to be head of Asia. He found the new job more challenging, so he resigned in February 2008. He expected the new company's share price to plummet a month later On leave, I received a shocking phone call."

      The article notes: "他鑽研外國經驗，發現了一種名為「創投慈善」（Venture Philanthropy）的社會服務模式，就是按商業邏輯發掘有潛質的社會服務，替他們籌集資金，提供營運意見。如果阮勵欣以前做的是IPO，發掘有潛質的新公司替它們上市，他現在就是推廣SPO（Social Purpose Organization），找尋有社會效益的機構來投資。他的慈善機構名為「心苗」，至今已贊助了數項在亞洲的社會服務。在上海，他們投放了50萬元人民幣，支持一個為建築物料是否符合環保準則作評級的網站；在南亞，他們正研發一部太陽能電腦，讓學生在偏遠村落也可上網學習。"

      From Google Translate: "He drilled into foreign experience and discovered a social service model called Venture Philanthropy, which is to discover potential social services according to business logic, raise funds for them, and provide operational advice. If Darius Yuen used to do IPOs and discover potential new companies to list them, he is now promoting SPOs (Social Purpose Organizations) and looking for socially beneficial institutions to invest in. His charity, called Heart Seedlings, has sponsored several social services in Asia. In Shanghai, they have invested RMB 500,000 to support a website that rates whether buildings are expected to meet environmental criteria, and in South Asia, they are developing a solar-powered computer that will allow students to learn online in remote villages."

    2. "一周出差四次 兩年未踏九龍" [Four Business Trips in a Week: Two Years Without Setting Foot in Kowloon]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-10-25. Archived from the original on 2010-10-28. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Yahoo! News.

      The article notes: "阮勵欣做了18年投資銀行，他的職業生涯可以用「瘋狂」來形容﹕早上6時半起床，看《華爾街日報》、《金融時報》，午餐晚餐都要見客，其餘時間與各國股市同步呼吸，幸運的話深夜12時可以休息，但間中也會不眠不休2至3天。"

      From Google Translate: "Darius Yuen has been an investment banker for 18 years. His career can be described as "crazy": he gets up at 6:30 in the morning, reads the "Wall Street Journal" and "Financial Times", meets guests for lunch and dinner, and does the rest. Time breathes in sync with the stock markets of various countries. If he was lucky, he would rest at 12 o'clock in the middle of the night, but sometimes he would not sleep for 2 to 3 days."

      The article notes: "阮勵欣9歲離開香港到洛杉磯讀書，在南加州大學會計系畢業後不久，就做銀行家。18年來只關心財經，記者問，香港對你來說是什麼？"

      From Google Translate: "Darius Yuen left Hong Kong at the age of 9 to study in Los Angeles. Shortly after graduating from the accounting department of the University of Southern California, she worked as a banker. In the past 18 years, you have only cared about finance. The reporter asked, what does Hong Kong mean to you?"

    3. Tan, Choe Choe (2022-02-14). "After Hong Kong, Sow Asia founder wants to help spur impact investing in Malaysia". The Edge. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

      The article notes: "In 2008, Darius Yuen founded Sow Asia, a Hong Kong-based charitable foundation that has been supporting early-stage social enterprises intent on scaling their social or environmental impact. ... For the remarkable work he did with Sow Asia — which is still going strong — Yuen was honoured as one of Forbes’ Heroes of Philanthropy in 2011, when he was 41. More than a decade after that, success stories such as HK Recycles Ltd, which provides convenient recycling solutions for offices, schools and retail stores, alongside employment to autistic youths, keep him going. ... Yuen, who is managing director and responsible officer of Zhong Yi Investment Managers Ltd, an asset management company that he founded in July 2018 ..."

    4. Lam, Lana (2011-08-07). "Happiness is sharing your ideas with others". The South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

      The article notes: "Another speaker was venture philanthropist Darius Yuen Lai-yan, 41, a former investment banker with 18 years' experience who turned his back on making millions to give back to the community. He spoke of a 'red line' as the point where we make enough money for our basic needs and then everything above that was simply accumulation of desirables not necessities. Yuen established the Sow (Asia) Foundation which provides seed capital for sustainable projects with a focus on environmental awareness and education in design, construction and manufacturing on the mainland."

    5. Waller, Martin (2010-01-21). "Will Kraft's feel for Cadbury clear 2012 hurdle?". The Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

      The article notes: "We last came across Darius Yuen when he was about to move from the relatively unscarred BNP Paribas to the doomed Bear Stearns to become head of the equity capital markets group in Asia. Yuen, after “a shift in his own values”, according to his website, tells me that he has now set up the SOW (Asia) Foundation, a Hong Kong-registered charity investing in social entrepreneurs. The first investment is in the producers of a much-needed rating system for building materials in China, which tells architects or whoever how green they are. So proving that some good can emerge out of almost any disaster imaginable."

    6. Articles about him resigning from BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific to join Bear Stearns in 2008:
      1. Gopalan, Nisha (2008-03-18). "New Bear Hire Has Bad Timing". The Wall Street Journal. ProQuest 2648659969. Archived from the original on 2024-07-24. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

        The article notes: "Hong Kong banker Darius Yuen must be ruing the day he left BNP Paribas after 14 years with the France investment bank and a Hong Kong brokerage house it once acquired. The former co-head of equity capital markets for Asia at BNP Paribas is on leave before taking a similar post at Bear Stearns at the end of May. The announcement of his new job came out Friday in Asia-hours before word of Bear's financial woes began to spread on Wall Street. The idea was that Mr. Yuen eventually would become head of equity capital markets at the Asia joint venture that Bear and China's Citic Securities signed in October."

      2. "Bear Hires New Asia Markets Executive". The New York Times. Reuters. 2008-03-14. ProQuest 2222392115.

        The article notes: "Bear Stearns has hired Darius Yuen from the French bank BNP Paribas to head its equity capital markets group in Asia, a spokeswoman told Reuters on Friday. ... Mr. Yuen will join in May and report to John Moore, who was named Bear’s Asia chief executive in August. He will assume the title of senior managing director and head of equity capital markets for Asia, according to a company spokeswoman, Jessie Hsieh. Mr. Yuen’s background in equity capital markets shows that Bear is eager to seize a greater underwriting presence in the region after initial public offerings surged in China last year. ... Mr. Yuen had been with BNP Paribas and its predecessor, Peregrine Investment, for 14 years, responsible recently for the bank’s ECM franchise in Asia, according to FinanceAsia, which reported the appointment."

      3. Waller, Martin (2008-03-15). "Let us all raise a glass to Darius Yuen - City Diary". The Times. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

        The article notes: "While we are on the subject, let us all raise a glass to Darius Yuen, who until now worked for BNP Paribus in Hong Kong."

      4. "法巴資深賓架 過檔貝爾斯登" [Senior Executive at Societe Generale Moves to Bear Stearns]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2008-03-13. p. A16.

        The article notes: "洋名Darius的阮勵欣，在法巴投資行融資部門任職9年，是次跳槽不知是否參與貝爾斯登和中信證券共同在亞洲大展拳腳的計劃有關。不過老杜聽聞，Darius仍需過冷河3個月後才可上任。早前他與愛妻共同開設一間現代畫廊，相信今次終於可以靜下來，一改投行家忙得團團轉的顛倒生活，與太座共同打理心頭好一段日子。"

        From Google Translate: "Yuen Lai-han, whose foreign name is Darius, has worked in the financing department of BNP Paribas Investment Bank for nine years. It is unknown whether his job change is related to Bear Stearns and CITIC Securities' plan to jointly expand their presence in Asia. However, Lao Du heard that Darius still needs to cross the cold river for three months before taking office. Earlier, he and his beloved wife jointly opened a modern gallery. He believes that this time he can finally calm down, change the busy and upside-down life of an investment banker, and take care of his heart together with his wife for a while."

      5. Bei, Hu (2008-03-12). "Yuen Quits as BNP Asia Equity Capital Markets Co-Head". Bloomberg News. Archived from the original on 2024-10-08. Retrieved 2024-10-08.

        The article notes: "Darius Yuen quit as regional co-head of equity capital markets at BNP Paribas Capital Asia Pacific Ltd., the Asian corporate finance unit of BNP Paribas SA, becoming the latest former Peregrine Investment Holdings Ltd. banker to quit the firm. Yuen, 39, left the French bank last week ..."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Darius Yuen to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 09:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Could we get a further review of these sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For further discussion about the sources presented by Cunard.
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I believe fits the criteria to be deleted for multiple issues - primarily notability based on WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:NOTADVERT. I made an effort to find references and could only find primary sources. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 15:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am against deleting this article. I have just updated the "External links" section. This is a Taiwan company doing business worldwide, so as the descriptions are detailed in its Chinese page, its Enlish page is brief. It must, however, is needed in English for people in other countries. In Wikipedia, don't be a "deletioniist", but be an "encourager" to let other people to participate in update, in order to make a "weak" article a better article. --- By Yoshi Canopus (talk) 01:09, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Yoshi Canopus, there are no sources for this article; the company's website cannot show notability. Do you have links to any sources that demonstrate this company is notable by Wikipedia standards? StartGrammarTime (talk) 01:40, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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