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March surname disambiguation

Although I have only done minor edits so far, I am considering doing a fairly ambitious article as a first article, but not a subject article as such, just a disambiguation page for the surname March.

First, I have a technical question. I see an article about Hanson (surname):

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I see an article Thomsen, which is disambiguation for the surname but not called that: [2]

I also see a disambiguation page for Thomsen (disambiguation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomsen_(disambiguation)

There is a disambiguation page for March: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_(disambiguation)

Therefore I am supposing that the new page I am considering will be named: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=March_(surname) and will already have a link from the above page.

I have a list of at least somewhat notable men named March (only one woman as of yet, but I will be looking, and considering wives of those on the list), starting with Professor Francis Andrew March, Sr., who has an article, and his son, General Peyton Conway March, who has an article, and his grandson, Lieutenant Peyton Conway March, Jr.

I name some other, unrelated people surnamed March, too, and I will look for more.

Francis March also known as and redirected from Francis Andrew March (1825-1911), Professor of English, Lafayette College

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_March

There is a Google book, dated 1914, about Francis Andrew March [3]

There is an award by the Association of Departments of English named in his honor:

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Francis Andrew March (1863–1928), son of the above, and mentioned as a co-author with his father in the above article, but also a historian of the Great War (World War I).

Here is a list of his Great War books: [5]

Peyton Conway March (1864-1955), another son of Professor March, American Army general, and Army Chief of Staff (1918-1921)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Conway_March

He was buried at Arlington Cemetery: [6]

His son, Peyton Conway March, Jr. (1896-1918) is also buried at Arlington Cemetery. He was a Lieutenant in the US Army. [7]

David March, English rugby player: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_March

Jane March, British actress and model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_March

Joseph Moncure March (1899-1977) American poet and essayist, and unrelated to the above family: [8]

John March, Musician and music technician: [9]

Please tell me whether this initial article would be suitable and needed. Also, please provide me with advice about who should be included in the list of people with the surname March. Obviously anyone with a Wikipedia article already should be listed, but what about Lieutenant March? I see surname disambiguation pages with names that are not links, but most of the names do have links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dthomsen8 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This looks like a good idea and good article with which to get started. I would recommend that you take a look at March (disambiguation), as that already has a list of people with the surname March. Once you have created the article, the next step is mainly maintenance. Make sure that March and March (disambiguation) both have links to the (as-of-yet uncreated) article March (surname). As to your question about people who may be notable, but do not have Wikipedia articles, I think you'll find this guide helpful. Basically, it says that redlinks are OK, as long as a legitimate article could be written. Best, TN X Man 23:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

March (surname) would be the new article, and it would include the people with the surname March I have mentioned above, and those in the March (disambiguation) article, too. Obviously there is overlap. After the new article is created, the surnames in the March (disambiguation) article could be removed. Would that be a good plan? Dthomsen8 (talk) 04:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)DThomsen8[reply]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. You're exactly right - move the names to the new article and leave a note behind that says something to the effect of "For a list of people with the surname March, see March (surname)". Best, TN X Man 05:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an easy way to search for more people with the surname March? I found the ones I mention above by guessing possible first names. Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Dthomsen8[reply]

This link shows everyone in the category "Living people" with the surname March. At the top of that page, there are other categories you can poke around to find more people. Also, this page is a search of Wikipedia for the term "March", although I don't know how much help that will be. I think your best bet may to be ask around the biography wikiproject, as they may be able to point you in better directions. TN X Man 03:20, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SineBot is making comments about how I didn't sign changes to my personal sandbox page, and adding signatures for me. This is annoying. How do I avoid that situation?Dthomsen8 (talk) 17:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Dthomsen8[reply]

SineBot automatically monitors talk pages and adds signatures for those who forget them. If you wish to opt out of this, see User:SineBot for details. TN X Man 18:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American Heritage Foundation vs. Heritage Foundation

The American Heritage Foundation (AHF) was apparently a non-profit, non-partisan group from the 50's and 60's which is referenced in several obituaries and had the admirable goal of increasing voter participation.

It is very easy to confuse the AHF with the partisan Heritage Foundation. In the interests of clarity, Wikipedia may want to offer at least a short reference to it. The New York TImes search engine found a few references including the obituary of Brendan Byrne, a note about Willa Ann Johnson, Thomas D'arcy Brophy, and the obituary of Louis Novins -- all associated with the AHF.

Wikipedia has at least one reference, here, as an art commissioning group: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Schwantner

Because the AHF is so different from the Heritage Foundation, I think it would be an historically appropriate article for Wikipedia to publish. There is a webpage "under construction" for, I believe, the original AHF. It provides a contact phone number for more information: <blanked>

98.225.46.234 (talk) 16:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like a good idea for an article. If you would like to write the article yourself (and not register an account), we can help with that. See the articles for creation page for more info. If you would like to suggest that someone else write the article, well, we can help with that as well. See this page for more info. Finally, if you would like to write the article yourself, but just want some tips and pointers, then you're in the right place. We'll be happy to answer questions and get you going. Best, TN X Man 16:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Article - School of Continuing Education (New England Conservatory)

Greetings,

The Continuing Education department of New England Conservatory makes a positive contribution to the music community of Boston. It gives the general public access to the resources of a prominant music school. I have started the article in my subpage, I would like feedback on its construction as it is my first article. I'm not sure what the proper term for this is, but it would be nice to link the short discription of the cont. ed. department in the (New England Conservatory) article to this more elaborate one of the department. This department is akin to the Extension School of Harvard.

Radialblur (talk) 18:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it looks like you've made a good start. There are a few things I've noted, however. One of requirements for an article is independent reliable sources. It looks like all of the sources in your article are published by the school itself. Are there any third-party sources that can be integrated into the article? Another thing of which to be aware is Wikipedia's policy on directories. The article currently reads a lot like a course guide/syllabus. A good example is the article on the Cincinnati Conservatory of Music. It's a very short article, but you'll see that it lists some independent sources and does not have a complete course list. If you have any questions or need assistance, we'll be happy to help. Best, TN X Man 18:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looking to add first article - help needed!

Hi,

I'm looking to add the article below and looking for feedback, can I add it as shown below?

Many thanks,

Cillian

References:

Cúl Green is an initiative aimed at making Ireland's largest sports stadium, Croke Park, carbon-neutral. Cúl Green means Green Goal in Irish and it was launched in May 2008^[1] and involves the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) and Ireland's Electricity Supply Board (ESB) putting in place a state of the art environmental-improvement programme covering the stadium's electricity, waste and water management systems.

Supported by the fans

A total of 2.2 million people attended Croke Park in 2007, making it the biggest venue in Ireland and the new sustainability plan extends to fans' activities in reducing the environmental impact of their travel to and from the stadium. People can make energy saving pledges at www.culgreen.ie. The Cúl Green website won Green Project of the Year Award at the 2008 Inspired IT Awards. "Inspired Awards Website".

Environmental targets

The Cúl Green plan sets ambitious environmental targets for Croke Park, dramatically reducing the carbon footprint at Ireland's most popular sporting venue over the next six years. The new project in the immediate term will cut Croke Park's annual 4,500 tonnes carbon emissions output by more than two-thirds.

ESB are providing expertise in environmental management as a specialist from the company has joined the Croke Park team to achieve internationally-recognised best-practice environmental standards at the stadium.

The Cúl Green project is supported and audited by the Carbon Reduction (CRed) Programme which was set up in 2003 by the University of East Anglia's environmental scientists. Its purpose is to support, monitor and evaluate progress towards a lower carbon future. CRed supports a range of community-based projects such as the Cúl Green initiative.

"Michael Cusack, Maurice Davin and the Gaelic Athletic Association" (PDF). Retrieved 2008-03-16.

(Cill25 (talk) 11:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Hello! I've read over your submission. I don't think it can be submitted as is, however, I think there is some good material in there. The first thing I noticed is that your article has a very promotional tone. Wikipedia articles must be written neutrally and cannot promote or advertise any products/projects/people/etc. The references you've cited look like they are reliable (for which Wikipedia has standards - see this guide). I would suggest taking a look at Your First Article, a guide to help people write their first Wikipedia article. If you have other questions, feel free to ask. TN X Man 11:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of New Article on Keel Back Snakes

Hi! This is going to be the first ever article I've written. The topic is Keel Back snakes, and I've created a mere skeleton of the final work. Can anyone help me out/ offer more suggestions/ give me good avice? Thanks in advance. La Alquim ista 12:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The best advice I can give you is to look at other related articles for tips. For example, Nerodia rhombifer (Diamondback snake) is a good example of how species articles should look. Also, there is an entire Wikiproject dedicated to amphibians and reptiles. If you put your question there, they should be able to help you format the article correctly. Of course, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask. TN X Man 14:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can a film still in production qualify to have an article in Wikipedia

I would like to know if the Period Hotrod Feature film DEUCE OF SPADES (currently in production - release date Summer 2009) qualifies to have an article started about it on Wikipedia.

NOTABILITY:

1. The film is listed on Imdb [10], which is a verifiable official source.

2. The film has been generating quite a bit of press over the last year or so, including some large magazines:

exemples:

a. Cover of WHEELS magazine as well as three page feature spread - WHEELS is one of Europe's largest hotrod magazine- in their march 2009 Issue

b. Cover mention and three page feature spread in HOTROD MAGAZINE NEW ZEALAND (New Zealand, oldest and largest hotrod Publication - has been around since the sixties)

c. Additional articles in NITRO (France largest Hotrod magazine), Kustom (Italy), WILD (France), CRUISING (Australia), V8 MAGAZINE (Finland)

c. I understand HOTROD MAGAZINE [11] (U.S.) which is the world oldest hotrod magazine is also about to print something about the film

3. It is listed as an article in Kustomrama.com, the online encyclopedia for everything hotrod related.

4. There are over 3 pages worth of google links to various sources, websites, forums, including "Kustomrama" an online encyclopedia for everything hotrot related.

WHY I THINK THIS FILM IS OF INTEREST

Because this is the first period hotrod film truly depicting America's Golden Era of hotrodding (early 50's) made since the fifties, the film has been generating a great amount of interest in the hotrod community. Historical consultant on the film is Jim Miller, president of the Historian of Landspeed racing organization and curator for the American hotrod Foundation. The World renounded Southern California Timing Association is depicted in the film, as well as the Saugus dragstrip (of historical interest). The film also has the support of the SIDEWINDERS (America's oldest hotrod club - established in 1934), Richard Parks (late WALLY PARKS [12] oldest son).

I am not the filmmaker, but I have been in contact with her and she has given me permission to publish photos, I can provide such permission if it is needed. She is very receptive to the idea of her film being listed here. Although I have never contributed to this site, I have been using it for many years now and since I am an avid hotrodder myself who lived the 50's era I would like to contribute to the site by creating an article about this film. The release date is set to Summer 2009.

Is anyone willing to help me get this article started (if it qualifies) or even wanting to take over the task? (I would certainly be open to it, as I fear I may not be prolific enough at using your formatting system).

Suggestions, thoughts and input welcome. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hotrod Films (talk • contribs) 19:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your proposed article has a strong promotional tone. Wikipedia articles must be written neutrally and must not promote or advertise any film. It is still possible for you to have an article about this film, but it must be written to Wikipedia standards, or it will be deleted. DThomsen (talk) 16:15, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Dthomsen8[reply]

IMDB is not counted as a reliable source, and the presence of the film here does not mean that it is notable. However it is still possible to use information from here if if know it is correct and can be verified from somewhere else. It'S appearance in those other magazines does indicate that it is notable enough to have an entry even at this early stage. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Article on the Palm Center

Hi all - I'd like to post an article about the Palm Center. We are a small research institute of the University of California. One of our scholars just published a book that got a wiki article, and that alerted us to the fact that there is no article for our center yet. First of all, I am not sure we should write the article (though I think we could as we are social scientists who have practice in neutrality and objectivity in writing). Second, I am not sure what the ideal sources to cite for such an article might be. Perhaps the University's Institute for Social Behavioral and Economic Research of which we are a part? I have created a subpage on our Userpage to begin. I would love feedback on it and these concerns. Thanks, Palmcenter (talk) 15:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Palmcenter[reply]

Palm Center

The Palm Center is a research institute of the University of California, Santa Barbara, that sponsors state-of-the-art scholarship to enhance the quality of public dialogue about critical and controversial issues of the day. For the past decade, the Palm Center's research on sexual minorities in the military has been published in leading social scientific journals, and cited in the press. The Palm Center is a resource for university-affiliated as well as independent scholars, students, journalists, opinion leaders, and members of the public.

Founded in 1998, it was originally was known as the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military [CSSMM]. In 2006, in recognition of a $1 million dollar endowment gift from the Michael D. Palm Foundation, the Center was renamed. The Palm Center's research has been cited on the floor of Congress and covered by newspapers and radio and television stations throughout the world. Palm scholars have delivered briefings and lectures at the British Ministry of Defence, the United States Military Academy at West Point, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Army War College and the National Defense University.

You will need to have some references from independent sources to demonstrate notability. Next you will also need sources to confirm what you have written. If you can find these references you should be able to make an article on this topic. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:20, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Family related Hollywood Actors

The death of Natasha Richardson (daughter of Vanessa Redgrave)reminded me of how I am often surprised to learn of how different actors/actresses are related, especially when the last names are different; like Kate Hudson/Goldie Hawn. I think some of the connections are complicated so the article would be more than just a list. Mr.grantevans2 (talk) 14:46, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find publications that talk about this topic, then it gives the notability for it. Otherwise it might be original research on your part, perhaps a synthesis. Also you may not need that /Actresses on the end, as actresses like to call themselves actors now. Also your title should have lower case words where possible (not for Hollywood though). It could also be called List of related actors. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Want to Create a WikiPage for My Company

My company would like to create a WikiPage similar to what other companies (IBM, Apple Inc., etc.) have. We don't want this to be an advertising page, just purely a page that lists what we are about. I have drawn up a template already in the Wikipedia:Sandbox, just wondering where I can post it to get some feedback from editors prior to actually creating the page.

Any recommendations?

GreenPlumber (talk) 23:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You had better put that article in your own sandbox at GreenPlumber/sandbox since the communal sandbox is cleaned out frequently. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:18, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have found it at [13]. When you write about your own company it is hard to avoid WP:COI, so it is often best to wait for someone else to write about it. In the case of your proposed article, it really needs independent references that show the company is notable. There are a couple of websites, but they do not mention the company, specific URLs will be needed to show where the company is written about. Also it still reads like a press release using language that makes the company sound good. This will have to be written in a more neutral style wihtout all those adjectives preening the content. Another thing is that a large chunk looks to be a copy of http://www.greenplumbersusa.com/training-accreditation/course-information. Although you may have permission, it is definitely better to rewrite it in new words to prevent a copyright problem as the original page does not grant a public domain or free license. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Tweetdeck

I have writte a basic article on this Twitter application in my userspace here [14]. What does anyone think about it? Would it get approved, what do I need to do to it? I have no affiliation with Tweetdeck, just enjoy using it & thought being the most popular client & all, should have a page. Please reply to my talk page if possible! Thanks dottydotdot (talk) 23:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To show notability, you should find one or two more references to it in publications, perhaps another technology magazine. Who sells - or supplies this software, is it freeware or adware? The article close to ready to move to TweetDeck. Though it looks like you did a paste job already. And one answer to my question is in already. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

^ "GAA Digest".

[1] "GAA Digest".

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