Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mereka Bilang, Saya Monyet!/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by GrahamColm 08:02, 6 October 2012 [1].

Mereka Bilang, Saya Monyet!

Featured article candidates/Mereka Bilang, Saya Monyet!/archive1

Nominator(s): — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I believe it is a good overview of a fairly minor, but somewhat impressive, Indonesian film. The plot and themes are not for the squeamish, and this was one of my more controversial DYKs way back when. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Addressed comments from TBrandley moved to talk

Support looks solid, as always. TBr and ley 23:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:09, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I reviewed this one earlier today at Crisco's behest and his subsequent additions also look good to me. Would have offered an image review but when I sat down to do it I realised there was only one image to review; File:Mereka Bilang Saya Monyet.jpg; whose rationale is perfectly solid. GRAPPLE X 01:07, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:34, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I'll review this too. Here's some comments on the lead and first section. I made some copyedits, hopefully all are fine with you. I added the word "murder", hopefully that won't be controversial :)
"the first digital feature film produced in the country" Consider trying to make this more prominent in the lead.

Sources didn't emphasise it too much. Plot, year, and cast/crew come first for sure though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, no problem then. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Adjeng (Titi Sjuman), a writer, lives alone in an apartment" I'd go with "paid for by..." to finish the sentence.

Done

"Adjeng (Titi Sjuman), a writer, lives alone in an apartment that her boyfriend, a rich businessman (Joko Anwar), pays for. A writer of children's stories," You don't need to state her occupation twice, maybe cut out the first one.

Done

"she recalls being forced to eat vegetables she had vomited as a child" I'm a little unclear here, was she forced to eat vegetables as a child or an adult?

How's this?

Still a little unclear to me. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Added "previously" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Adjeng peeks and recalls how she had observed her mother having sex with her lover (Bucek Depp), a man who had previously molested her." I'm being picky, but I'm not sure that it's clear who the last "her" refers to. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How's this? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 25 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the rest of my comments, as usual, sorry for the glacial pace.
"She asked Indra Herlambang, a writer-cum-television personality,[6] to help her write the screenplay as she "never could write stories with a plot"[a][7] and she needed him to keep her motivated." Should there be a comma before "and she..."?

Sounds okay, as they aren't inherently related. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"The film was originally meant to be based on the titular short story "Mereka Bilang, Saya Monyet!" from Djenar Maesa Ayu's 2002 debut, a critically and commercially successful short story anthology of the same name.[2][3] However, this was later replaced by "Lintah"" I don't think it's quite clear what "this" refers to in the second sentence.

How's this? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"In order to direct the film, in 2004 Ayu began taking filmmaking classes to prepare herself." How about "In 2004 Ayu began taking filmmaking classes to prepare herself to direct the film."?

Sounds good. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Mereka Bilang, Saya Monyet! deals with the aftereffects of child molestation, in a way that the Indonesian magazine Tempo describes as an "interesting time control experiment"" I'm not sure you need the comma here.

Agree. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"which results in Adjeng's promiscuity – an act which is common in the Sastra Wangi literary movement of which Ayu is considered a part." How about taking out one "which": "which results in Adjeng's promiscuity – a common act in the Sastra Wangi literary movement of which Ayu is considered a part." Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Done — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Another well written film article, not much I can point out. It manages to be neutral, yet provokes interest. As usual, no comment on sourcing though. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:15, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A nicely rounded article. Support on reviewing the prose. Some minor comments:

are worked into a short story with the title "Lintah"; my first reading of this is that "Lintah" was a short story within this film (i.e. a cut story). So it took me a second to wrap my head around the reference to it being published in the next paragraph. Maybe emphasise that Adjeng is writing Lintah.

Clarified (and shortened somewhat...

A writer of children's stories, she is mentored by Asmoro (Ray Sahetapy) [...] but wishes to write short stories for adults; something here doesn't quite scan (I removed part of the sentence to demonstrate the incongruity as it appears to me). These are two matters, so maybe needs two sentences?

How's this? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Asmoro sees the businessman; maybe remind the reader that the businessman is her boyfriend.

Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

and her mother's murder of the perpetrator; this threw me a little... is she recalling this for the first time? What about the molestation (which it is implied she recalls earlier)?

First time in the film, not known if its the first time she's thought of it. We're shown him getting into the bathtub with her before, but not the aftermath (i.e. the pool of water and leeches with blood flowing is only shown once)

cajoling; seems colloquial. Perhaps rephrase, and merge in the next (very short) sentence.

How's this? I reworked it a bit.

The film does not show Adjeng's molestation; might be worth mentioning this in the plot?

How's this? I reworked it a bit.

Otherwise all good! --Errant ^(chat!) 18:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, looks fine. Good luck with this nom :) --Errant ^(chat!) 09:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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