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The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 20 October 2023 [1].

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Raffles Place MRT station

Nominator(s): ZKang123 (talk) 06:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

After City Hall MRT station got promoted to FA, I shall also take this chance to nominate its brother station Raffles Place. All aboard! ZKang123 (talk) 06:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

GWL

Congrats on CH's FA! Am reserving a spot here, will get through tomorrow. GeraldWL 10:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

And incoming comments! I've put invisible comments to divide my comments based on sections. GeraldWL 09:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Resolved comments from GeraldWL 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

* "the centre of Singapore's financial district"-- Central Area, Singapore? Central Area quite encompasses the entirety of the Central Business District (including Orchard, Tanglin, Boon Keng...) So no, it isn't accurate to link to the general area. Probably good courtesy to link OCBC Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "Cross-platform transfers between the NSL and EWL"-- I know I didn't catch this in the CH article, but I think you could mention how it shares the same cross-platform feature with CH? Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Link Aw Hee Tong Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Why isn't there alt on the lead img? ...I overlooked that while adding alt to the other images. Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "would be called Raffles Place"-- "would be called as such" for less repetition Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "and the Central Area"-- since you elaborated on the lead that it's SG's financial district, it's probably better if you also include it here. As said, I'm not too sure to elaborate as such given it's not stated in source.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) In footnote a, perhaps link Marina Bay? Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) I didn't see any mention in the newspaper that it's "In September 2000"? I only saw the years 1999 and 2005. I removed this. A side effect from copying from another article...--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "During the diversion of utilities at the site, the contractors used the utilities departments' records to determine the location of utilities"-- repetition of utilities --> "During the diversion of utilities at the site, the contractors used the utilities departments' records to determine their location" Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "Construction of the station began on 28 May 1984. The station was built right in the city centre." --> "Construction of the station specifically began on 28 May 1984, right in the city centre." I feel like with the repetition of "May 1984", "specifially" is warranted. I just said 28 May and drop the year.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "supplemented by using a "down-the-hole" (DTH) percussion machine." Well I don't know about you, but I just thought of percussion instrument. Some engineering terms can be weird.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Found this, could use this perhaps? GeraldWL 04:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 07:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "they were brittle and easily broken." I thought brittle itself means easily broken? Kept "easily broken".--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Suggest enlarging the image using upright-- also link Aw Hee Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "contract included the construction of the adjacent Tanjong Pagar station." If it was still called Maxwell that time (which was why you put TanjPag in brackets), it should probably be called Maxwell too in this part. I see. I thought I must use the present name to avoid confusion.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) "from Empress Place" --> "from the Empress Place Building" "Building site of Empress Place" --> "Building site of the Empress Place". Not sure why I didn't catch these two too from the CH FAC. Done for both above.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) The multi-imgs here could also use abit more size Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Now that I think of it, it would be beneficial if you mention the line of specific platforms. Something like "Platforms A and B (upper platform level) of the station serve the EWL and NSL, respectively." There isn't an official source for this, I'm afraid. Which is why I withheld doing this.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Isn't it visible on the image though? If you zoom in you could clearly see the signs saying "EW" and "NS". GeraldWL 04:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Oh so like in the caption Yepp! :) That has been done.--ZKang123 (talk) 08:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Link through service Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Per my cmt on the lead, could probably link OCBC and Prudential Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC) Link Mercantile Bank of India, London and China, could also expand the words to not confuse it with the other "Mercantile" bank. Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support -- good work once again, and goodluck for Chonk's comments and other comments henceforth! GeraldWL 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

MyCatIsAChonk

Will review, but don't want to reiterate GWL's points- let me know when you've addressed theirs and I'll continue with mine MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 22:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• City Hall station is linked twice in the lead
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk)
• While the boulders were hard, they were easily broken. - IMO, not necessary to include
  • Ok removed.--ZKang123 (talk) 11:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
• Ground treatment of the soil began on 28 May 1984 and completed by April the following year - "was" completed the following year...
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk)
• These murals on vitreous enamel panels depicts scenes of Singapore's history - might be reading this wrong, but I don't think depicts should be plural
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk)
• The "Information portfolio" source in the Bibliography has no sfns pointing to it
  • It's actually for another piece of info I forgot to include, or accidentally deleted. Just added in.--ZKang123 (talk)

ZKang123, that's it, nice job! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 11:40, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Support - lovely work! Also, if you get time, I'd appreciate any comments at this FAC. Thanks! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 19:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Thebiguglyalien

I'll have a review written within the next few days. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

General notes:

• The prose is choppy in some parts of the article. Look for areas where the prose reads like: "This is a statement. This is another statement. The next statement is this one." These areas need to flow a little better before it meets FA's prose requirement in my opinion. Careful use of transitions and compound or complex sentences do a lot to improve readability.
• "Due to" is used a lot. I suggest changing some of these to "because". It's simpler and clearer, and it avoids repetition of the same phrase.
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• The article mostly cuts off with the station's opening in 1987. Have there been no major changes of any sort since then?
  • There aren't many notable incidents after the station's opening. I'm unsure if a recent anti-terror operation exercise is relevant of mention.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• Try to replace, wikilink, or define technical terms when possible.

Lead:

• The article doesn't say that Raffles Place is "the centre of Singapore's financial district"
  • Well, in the article about Raffles Place (not the station), it's said so. But I shall remove.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

History:

• "part of the Phase I MRT segment" – The article doesn't say what this means
  • Basically " from the Novena to Outram Park stations". This is the segment.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "From 28 October 1989, it began to serve as the interchange" – Either it began to serve on that date, or it has served from that date. It's not still beginning.
  • Removed began to.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "with the split of MRT operations" – Not sure what this means
  • It's explained in the footnote: MRT operations used to go from Yio Chu Kang to Lakeside, but now Yio Chu Kang to Marina Bay (NSL), and Tanah Merah to Lakeside (EWL), both via Raffles Place and City Hall.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Station construction:

• What happened with the utilities? The article sets up the problem, that the records were inaccurate, but it doesn't suggest a solution was ever found.
  • They were all diverted eventually. p112 of source.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "The soil conditions at the site consisted of silty clay" – Either the soil was silty clay, or the soil conditions were an adjective.
  • Removed conditions. The original phrasing was "ground conditions". Also see p112.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "supplemented by using a "down-the-hole" (DTH) percussion machine" – Noun/verb consistency: either the augers were supplemented by a DTH machine, or the penetration was supplemented by using a DTH machine.
  • Reworded. Also see p112.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "the machine becomes bogged in wet weather due to the machine's" – Two "machine"s. One should be "it".
  • Both to it given previous clause also mention DTH machine.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "had to be broken apart, through" – Unnecessary comma
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Construction of tunnels:

• "for the base slab concrete" – Is there a missing word here, or is this a technical term?
  • Most likely a technical term of a specific type of concrete.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "the work was planned to proceed in three stages" – I suggest "originally planned" or "initially planned" so the reader knows that this wasn't the final result.
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Station details:

• Do the images here need to be 300px? This section doesn't seem quite long enough to warrant two images this large. Alternatively, given how similar these images are, it might be better just to keep one of them.
  • Well, @Gerald Waldo Luis: or someone suggested to upscale the images. I kept the two images to show the different platform levels. I have downsized the images, nevertheless--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• The station code and the walking distance appear to be added randomly in a paragraph about the routes.
  • I considered it to be characteristics of the station's role on the MRT network in general.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• Don't use pronouns like "it" when starting a new paragraph, as there's no noun for it to refer to. The first time the station is mentioned in a paragraph, refer to it as "Raffles Place" or "the station".
• "A few days before the opening" – Of Raffles Place or of Tanah Merah? Tarah Merah is the last station that was mentioned.
  • Clarified it's the MRT extension.
• "have to alight" – Not sure what this means
  • I think it's clear? Passengers have to alight from their train to another train to resume their journey?--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "Another brass sculpture" – This is the only brass sculpture mentioned in the article
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
• "from the Chinese junks" – Can this by clarified or wikilinked?
  • Wikilinked.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Ping me if you feel that you've addressed all of the comments or if you have any thoughts about any of them. Once the article is ready, I can go over the prose again. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:20, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Thebiguglyalien: addressed said points.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:32, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

  I've looked over the article and my concerns have been addressed. I support promotion as a featured article. And if you or anyone else is interested, I currently have an open FAC that could use more feedback. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Source review – pass

• Citation 2 needs a link to Singapore Monitor
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Citation 7 needs a link to the publisher
  • Done.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Why was the publisher omitted from citation 38?
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Citations 38, 39, 46 and 47 need access-dates to be consistent with other NewspaperSG citations.
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Citation 45 is missing the via parameter.
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• One of the bibliography sources needs a link to the publisher
  • Fixed.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• There is some inconsistency between sentence case and title case in newspaper citations, such as citations 22, 26 and 29 (which do not match their source's use of sentence case).
  • As per source review comments by Gog, they suggested that all titles be in title case regardless of how they appeared in the original. I used this tool converter for title case.--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
    • There are still a lot of half-done title case conversions, such as citations 6, 8, and 18. Please make sure the capitalization of articles are consistent. SounderBruce 06:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
• Citations 36 and 37 need to use {{cite map}}; I'm not sure they can be used to support the statement that those stations are within walking distance, as there is no distance specified.
  • Fixed to cite map. Do I have to add author parameter? And also I admit it's more to show how to walk between stations and that official maps of connections exist...--ZKang123 (talk) 05:45, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

Just a few notes for now. I will conduct further spotchecks in a bit. SounderBruce 19:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: fixed the title cases as much as I could using the title case converter and cross-checking with MOS.--ZKang123 (talk) 06:45, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi SounderBruce, how is this one looking now? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecks on a sample of eight citations were completed and look good. I do have one more concern: there are no citations given for the inflation/currency conversions. Once this is addressed, I'm happy to pass this on sourcing, ZKang123. SounderBruce 19:34, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

The inflated values basically use the in-wiki template (example:{{Formatnum:{{To USD|{{Inflation|SG|70.7|1984}}|SGP|year=2019|r=0}}}}).--ZKang123 (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

There needs to be an inline citation to both the inflation converter (provided by {{inflation-fn}}) and currency conversion. SounderBruce 00:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Rectified above problem.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Source review passed. SounderBruce 06:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Image review - pass

• Not all images have alt text: would strongly suggest adding for accessibility.
• Where alt text is used, it shouldn't generally begin with "Photograph of..." or similar, since the screen reader will preface it with "image of...".
• File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Platforms C and D 20211219 145315.jpg, File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Exit B 20211219 144834.jpg, File:NS25 EW14 Raffles Place MRT Platforms A and B (new signage) 20220708 132848.jpg and File:NS26 EW14 Raffles Place MRT brass sculpture 20220331 183410.jpg: all good (Wikipedia photographer, CC licence, Singapore has freedom of panorama).
• File:SGMRT-LRT (zoom) map.svg: fine, appropriately licensed, underlying OSM data is open. The Singapore government page doesn't seem to work, but any raw data would come under "bare facts" and so be ineligible for copyright.

No mission-critical issues here, though recommend consistency on alt text. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, which images doesn't have alt text? @UndercoverClassicist:?--ZKang123 (talk) 06:34, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, all have it: not sure what I missed there. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 07:24, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Also fixed up the other issues.--ZKang123 (talk) 07:29, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. FrB.TG (talk) 10:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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