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List of Chivas USA seasons

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Nominator(s): Brindille1 (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm following up my previous MLS featured lists (List of New England Revolution seasons, List of New England Revolution managers) with a list about the defunct club Chivas USA. This poorly-run team existed for ten unsuccessful seasons. I've created and improved this list, and believe it now meets the Featured List criteria. Brindille1 (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MrLinkinPark333

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  • Verification check (Table):
    • As Chivas competed from 2005-2014, the page range for the conference & overall positions should be 41-50, not 32-59.
    • For 2009, they were overall 5th not 6th. As they were tied with Chicago in points, they'd be ranked higher as they had more wins per MLS.
  • Chivas's USOC appearances is on page 179, not 178.
    • I see instances of both R3 (2006) and Round of 16 for the USOC. Only one of these should be used for consistency. MLS uses third round instead of Round of 16. Looking at links like 2006 U.S. Open Cup, third round is used. I think all of Ro16 should be switched to R3.
    • 2005 USOC was R4.
    • 2013 USOC was also R4.
  • 2005 would need a source to show Chivas did not enter any Continental competitions, instead of not qualifying.
  • The attendance is blank at FBRef. It used to be there per Google search. However, there is no archived copy of the Chivas Stats page at FBref. I also checked individual seasons at FBref and the attendance is blank, such as 2005.
  • 2008 top goalscorer needs the 2008 FBRef source to show Razov was tied for first. The overall Chivas source at FBRef only shows Eskandarian and Kljestan due to lack of space.
  • Needs a source for the nationalities of the top goalscorers. Otherwise, the flags can be removed.
  • Verification check (Prose):
    • "Chivas USA participated in the annual U.S. Open Cup tournament organized by the United States Soccer Federation" - ESPN doesn't specifically mention Chivas but verifies the rest of the sentence. MLS 2024 could be reused here to show Chivas's participation while keeping the ESPN source for the rest of the sentence.
    • "MLS regular season typically runs from February to October" - MLS doesn't say the regular season doesn't alway ends in October. Don't think typically is needed here.
    • " which was a postseason tournament that culminates in the MLS Cup" - is a postseason tournament (as it's still being held per the 2023 MLS + Washington Post sources)
    • "annual international competition between league and cup champions in North America, Central America, and the Caribbean." - not seeing the bolded part in Los Angeles Daily News for Champions League. Maybe rephrase to between teams.
    • "a new expansion team in Los Angeles was announced, which eventually became Los Angeles FC." - needs a bit of trimming to avoid copying/close paraphrasing as the sentence looks similar to The Athletic.
  • Citations comments:
    @MrLinkinPark333 Thank you for the very thorough review. I've updated the article to fix the issues you've raised, with a couple notes:
    - "For 2009, they were overall 5th not 6th". The tie-breakers were different in 09, I've added a better citation for overall standings which should clarify any ambiguities
    - For R3 vs R16, I refer to these rounds the way they're referred to in the source. Renaming R16 to R3 would be incorrect, as the R16 isn't always the third round (see 2013 where the fourth round is the round of 16).
    - For the 2005 continental competition, I switched this to a "DNQ". I've not found a source indicating that the team could've entered the tournament but chose not to. Brindille1 (talk) 04:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The above points have been resolved apart from the following:
    • In regards to Round 3, MLS page 179 only uses Round 3. Therefore, any usages of Round of 16 for the USOC need extra sources.
    • 2012 attendance is linking to the wrong source. Should be this one.
    • I just noticed that Soccerway doesn't verify that Ante Razov was the top overall goalscorer across all seasons with 31 goals. The link only provides details for the individual season.
    • "announced a new expansion team that would play in Los Angeles, which would eventually become Los Angeles FC" - still needs reworking to pass WP:LIMITED.
    MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 18:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MrLinkinPark333 I've addressed these issues. For the Soccerway source, it contains a list of all league goals by player for each Chivas season- concluding the total number of goals falls under WP:CALC. Brindille1 (talk) 14:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The expansion sentence still resembles The Athletic source. Here's a suggestion on rewriting: Chivas was replaced by Los Angeles FC that year as an expansion team.
    • FBRef and Soccerway disagree with the number of goals for Razov. However, I found that MLS states he was the top goalscorer with 30.
    MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MrLinkinPark333 Reworded that sentence. Re: Razov's goals, good find. Soccerway seems to be wrong here. I've cited MLS's pages instead which (a) show he's the all-time leading scorer for the club and (b) show that he has 30 regular-season goals. Brindille1 (talk) 03:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Support - Thank you for the fixes, especially with the rewording of that one sentence. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 04:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • Tiny lead image could be made much larger. I suggest upright=1.4
  • "from 2005 until folding after the 2014 season" => "from 2005 until it folded after the 2014 season"
  • "which was a postseason tournament that culminates in the MLS Cup" => "a postseason tournament that culminates in the MLS Cup"
  • "which is an annual international competition between league and cup champions in North America" => "an annual international competition between league and cup champions in North America"
  • "The club's 2014 season set a record-low attendance for the league" => "The club's 2014 season set a record-low attendance level for the league"
  • "It was named the Champions' Cup until 2008" - this needs a full stop.
  • Looks a but odd to have Razov centred in the total row when all the other goalscorers are left-aligned
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude Thanks for the review. I've updated the article accordingly. Brindille1 (talk) 04:03, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzo_fan2007

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  • USOC should use {{abbrlink}}.
  • I have some concerns about the key:
    • First off, "MLS", "CCL" and "SL" don't appear in the table at all. They should be removed from the key, as not relevant (specifically, instead of using the acronyms you spelt them out in the table).
    • Consider using the horizontal key found in NFL seasons lists for position placing (e.g. List of Green Bay Packers seasons)
    • In the key to cup record, most of those aren't found in the table (I know they could possibly be in the future), but why not just use {{abbr}} and {{abbrlink}} for all these? You already use these templates in the table for some abbreviations, why not these?
  • All of these accomplish something super beneficial to the reader: they get rid of a bunch superfluous info that is (on my screen) almost the same length as the table (the key info the reader wants).
  • You use {{sfnp}} but then have these citations grouped in the same section as other direct citations. Recommend splitting "References" into sub-sections. An example of this can be found at List of Green Bay Packers team records.

Brindille1, please ping me when you have responded. Nice work! « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, looks like @Brindille1 last edited on July 30th. Hopefully they'll be back to address the feedback provided here soon. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I plan on responding to feedback, but my laptop has died and I am waiting on my replacement which will arrive in a few days. Apologies for the delay. Brindille1 (talk) 02:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Gonzo fan2007, I've updated the list according to your feedback. The only item I did not address directly was the suggestion of the horizontal key. However, I reformatted the columns in the "Key" section, and I think this makes better use of the space. Thanks for the feedback and apologies for the delay in my response! Brindille1 (talk) 02:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support looks good to me! Nice work. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 01:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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