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List of Mingxing films

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Nominator(s):  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the criteria. Mingxing was something of a big deal in Republican Shanghai, and this list provides readers with a list of their film productions as well as the necessary context to follow the evolution of its filmic output. I'm a bit rusty on tables, but I believe that it meets all accessibility guidelines.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Wolverine

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Here are my comments:

  • The Mingxing Film Company, based in Shanghai, the Republic of China, released 174 narrative films between its establishment in 1922 and 1938, the year after its closure. I think this can better be phrased. Perhaps you should say something like "The Mingxing Film Company was an entertainment company that was based in Shanghai, the Republic of China (in what is now China) between 1922 and 1938. The company released 174 narrative films" or something like that. The last part of the sentence also makes no sense to me; did the company close its doors in 1937 or 1938?
    • Rephrased to "Mingxing was a film production company based in Shanghai, the Republic of China. It released 174 narrative films between its establishment in 1922 and 1938, the year after it closed in the face of the Second Sino-Japanese War." The company's year of disestablishment was 1937; however, its film productions did continue to be released into the following year.
    • As for the years: Per the source, "On 7 July 1937 the full-scale Sino-Japanese war broke out. A month later Shanghai was caught in war and fell into the hands of the Japanese imperial army after a fierce three-month battle, leaving the International Settlement and the French Concession unoccupied until December 1941. Located in the city’s Chinese sector, Mingxing’s new business premises were occupied by the Japanese and used as barracks following the fall of the district. The company virtually ceased operating from then on.166 Nominally it still existed, and traces of its nominal existence were left. After an initial period of war-time chaos, the spring of 1938 saw renewed popular passion for entertainment as the city gradually settled in the new environment. Four Mingxing films produced immediately prior to the war appeared on the screen". In short, Mingxing closed its doors, but the films themselves still had the opportunity to be distributed. The literature tends to use the 1937 date as the date of disestablishment. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mingxing's fortunes changed I'm not too sure about "fortunes"
  • and was later distributed throughout China Is this not the Republic of China?
  • following the success of Tianyi's Heroine Li Feifei (1925), wuxia (martial arts) films. Following their success, what happened?
  • This expanded to include leftist cinema following the arrival of screenwriters such as Qian Xingcun and Xia Yan, working under pseudonyms, in the 1930s. Not sure what "this" implies and an explanation or a link to "leftist cinema" would be helpful
  • Rephrased to "The company's productions expanded to include leftist cinema following the arrival of screenwriters such as Qian Xingcun and Xia Yan, working under pseudonyms, in the 1930s." I'll make a footnote, because apparently we don't have an article on leftist cinema. In brief, though, it was stories produced by communists with explicitly pro-proletarian themes. Given that the ruling Kuomintang was actively hunting communists... it took gumption. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's unnecessary space between the lead and the first section

And that's my lot. Great article, not too much for me to complain about, and if you do have the time I'd really appreciate a review of my nomination here. Thanks, Wolverine X-eye (talk to me) 06:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This looks fine now; thanks for addressing my concerns. Also, please do check out the replies in my nom. Thanks, Wolverine X-eye (talk to me) 11:44, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Six separate paragraphs for the lead seems a lot, could it be re-organised into fewer?
  • A lot of the last paragraph of the lead seems unnecessary. We don't normally have things in articles like "This list is divided into two tables, one for the Mingxing's silent films and one for its sound films." because the headings make that clear. I would create a L2 heading "List of films" (with the existing headings changed to L3) and have immediately under it just this: "Each table is sorted by release date by default. Titles are given in English-language translations as well as traditional and simplified Chinese. The names of directors are rendered using the Chinese naming scheme wherein the surname precedes the given name. The list only counts fictional films produced by the company and does not include films from other genres, such as actualities."
  • Titles starting with "A" or "The" should sort based on the next word in the title
  • That's what I got :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hi ChrisTheDude; I've added sort keys to all of the titles starting with articles, and implemented two new headers to keep the lede from looking overwhelming. As there is no TOC, I feel that making it explicit from the get-go makes the list easier to access than removing the introductory sentence. Thoughts? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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