Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of St. Louis Rams head coaches/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Matthewedwards 15:52, 25 October 2008 [1].

List of St. Louis Rams head coaches

My first entry as part of the FL contest. I'm taking a somewhat odd approach to the lead, as it's an overview of the team's history, rather than the usual statistical information. Thanks for the comments, –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 21:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

~~Strong~~ Oppose
- Couldn't you just put American football instead of football?
  - Done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You linked American football twice.
  - Fixed. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "1936 in Cleveland, Ohio." -> "1936, locating in Cleveland, Ohio."
  - I disagree. That makes it terribly clunky. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - I just feel like the sentence is a little bit non-copyedited. -- SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24_[c] 18:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "Georgia Frontiere died January 18, 2008 after a 28 year ownership commencing in 1979.[4] Ownership of the team passed to her son Dale "Chip" Rosenbloom and daughter Lucia Rodriguez. Chip Rosenbloom was named the new Rams majority owner.[5]" Does this really need to be in the article?
  - Nope, removed. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You didn't even talk about the coaches in the prose.
  - There's no need. The information about the coaches is in the table, and rambling about them in the lead would be redundant and rather useless. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - But the information in the prose leads to the table itself. I truely recommend you talk about the frst and current coach at least. -- SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24_[c] 18:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      - Alright, I added a couple sentences. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 18:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The "Number of coaches" should be sorted correctly so that any coach who has two or more separate terms as head coach is only counted once.
- "Coached" -> "coached".
  - Done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Couldn't you denote which coaches have spent their entire NFl coachng career with the Rams?
  - I'll look into it. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you link the awards?
  - Done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you upright the pictures?
  - Done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you follow the order of references like the one on List of Los Angeles Lakers head coaches?
  - Why? –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - It will make the references look more neater. Was just a suggestion. -- SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24_[c] 18:11, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why are there no references for Damon Wetzel, Joe Vitt, and Jim Haslett?
  - Done –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You should tell the readers that these statistics are as of the end of the 2007 NFL season.
- Could you make this table sortable like the one on List of Toronto Blue Jays managers?
- "Awards" -> "Achievements".
  - Done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You should've peer reviewed this article first before you nominate it. -- SRE.K.A~~nnoyomous~~.L.24_[c] 03:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't have time. The featured list contest gave me a little over a week to get the article finished and to FLC.

One more comment
- "St. Louis Rams American football franchise." -> "St. Louis Rams, an American football franchise."

Comments

Date autoformatting now deprecated; please see MOSNUM.
"The team then became known as the Los Angeles Rams after the club moved to Los Angeles, California in 1946"—Spot the redundant word. And why suddenly draw a distinction between team and club? Cumbersome sentence.
"Following the 1979 season, the Rams moved south to the suburbs in nearby Orange County, playing their home games at Anaheim Stadium in Anaheim for fifteen seasons (1980–94), keeping the Los Angeles name." We trip over ourselves reading this snake. "Following"—"After"?
I have no objection if you head the last column "Ref." to save space, and loosen the squash in the middle. Tony (talk) 11:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Got everything; thanks for the helpful comments. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

What makes http://www.databasefootball.com/index.htm a reliable source?
- Nothing, really. As far as I can tell, that site doesn't have an "About" page or anything. I stuck with that source because the information isn't of a terribly controversial nature, and because it's used in several FLs. I can easily change to another source if needed, though. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Current ref 4 is lacking a publisher
- - Done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is is the Official Site of the St Louis Rams or the St Louis Rams? Pick one way to describe it and be consistent.
- Fixed. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

1980–94 vs 2006–2008 - I'd go for consistent range formats.
Is note A your opinion or official? if (a) then remove, if (b) then cite.
Move Allen's picture into Coaches section - my browser has a big gap before the Coaches section.
I would right-align the numeric columns.
Where are the "...of the Year" awards cited?
What references your notes?

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:33, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done with everything except for your 5th point, which I'll work shortly. Thanks for the comments, –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 23:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from SatyrTN

Need a link to National Football League Coach of the Year Award somewhere.
Could you change the formula (down in the Notes section) to us "½" instead of the way you have it? Should tighten that up a bit.
I don't know exactly how to change it, but having George Allen's picture where it is causes a lot of whitespace. Maybe move it down to be in the "Coaches" section instead of the "Key" section?
Looks good, otherwise.
Conditional Support -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 20:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All done. –Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 23:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I have to repeat some of the comments already mentioned
- The "As of..." note is really needed
- All other similar lists denote coaches who spent their coaching career with one team. This list shouldn't be different.
- I can't confirm some of the awards; references must be added.
- What happened in 1943? Why no one coached the team? An explanation should be added to the lead.
- Maybe it's a temporary thing, but I can't open footballresearch.com
- The format of the retrieval dates should be consistent.

--Crzy cheetah 03:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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