Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club grounds/archive1

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The list was promoted by Crisco 1492 00:51, 4 July 2015 [1].

List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club grounds

Featured list candidates/List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club grounds/archive1

Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude, AssociateAffiliate

AssociateAffiliate started this article and created the table, I have added an extensive lead and generally tweaked it a bit, and now feel it meets the FL requirements..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:29, 24 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —Vensatry _(ping)

Comments from —Vensatry _(ping)

Coventry, Royal Leamington Spa and Nuneaton are linked twice in the lede
- Resolved -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
first-class cricket -> First-class cricket
- Not in the middle of a sentence...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not sure, but we won't say "test", "twenty20" even in the middle of the sentence. —Vensatry _(ping) 18:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have never seen "First-class cricket" written with a capital letter. Here on WP we have List of first-class cricket records and List of current first-class cricket teams, both with a lower case letter..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - I'm convinced, but curious to know why this one uses a lower case while the other formats follow the exact opposite of it – List of Test cricket umpires, List of Twenty20 International records, List of List A cricket records, List of One Day International cricket records to name a few. —Vensatry _(ping) 20:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        @Harrias, The Rambling Man, and Sarastro1: Can you clarify this? —Vensatry _(ping) 20:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        There appears to be no convincing argument to capitalise this. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In images, alt texts should name the subject per WP:ALT
- Done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In the table, you say Edgbaston, Arlington Road and Swans Nest Lane, while including the "ground" suffix for other venues.
- Some grounds have "Ground" as part of their actual name, others do not -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Edgbaston is a locality in Birmingham, so when you say Edgbaston it would apparently mean the name of the suburb rather than the venue. Also, why is Stratford-upon-Avon Cricket Club Ground pipe-linked to Swans Nest Lane? —Vensatry _(ping) 18:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - I have unpiped Edgbaston Cricket Ground so it shows as such (although its common name is definitely just "Edgbaston"). CricketArchive calls the ground in Stratford "Swans Nest Lane", as does the press..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - I don't think WP:COMMONNAME applies here. When you say Edgbaston it clearly means the locality, at least inside WP. (I'm not a resident of England though) —Vensatry _(ping) 20:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It's better to move the images out of the table, if we don't have images of other venues; the table looks eerily widened.
- Where should they go? The table is already very wide, so putting the images to the right of it would make them disappear off the screen -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:27, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Now resolved - see below -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:04, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    - The table still looks weird. You could probably move the refs. to the corresponding columns. —Vensatry _(ping) 18:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      - What about note "B"? Where would that be best placed? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:25, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        Probably the Matches column of the List A section. —Vensatry _(ping) 20:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        All done -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:36, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In refs. why is CricketArchive linked in ref #14 alone?
- It should now be linked every time -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:30, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

—Vensatry _(ping) 20:07, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks solid —Vensatry _(ping) 07:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - very nice.

"major county clubs " what consitutes "major"?
- Reworded -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think linking England, Wales etc is really necessary.
- Delinked England and Wales - any others.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:31, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"which are or were located in the cities of Birmingham and Coventry, which" not keen on this "which ... which" in a single sentence.
- Amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is it worth noting that Edgbaston is regularly (ish) used as a venue for the England cricket team? Could be interesting.
- Added -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:16, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"The first ground other than Edgbaston" I'm not sure I understand this construction...
- Amended -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:19, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Since you only have images of two grounds, I'd be tempted to move them out of the table, and perhaps create a double image in the lead instead. It looks a little awkward right now, crowbarred into the table.
- As I don't think Arlington Road is really significant enough to merit being "featured" in that way, I have simply removed the images from the table..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:17, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
When I sort the table, how can I get it back to its original order?
- Sorted (no pun intended.............well, maybe a bit) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That is all. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 17:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"...believed that a cricket ground would enhance the image of the district." Is this referenced by the ref in the following sentence? If not then I reckon it should be referenced as this could be challenged
- Yes, the ref does support that part, the precise (and rather OTT) wording in the book is "...realised that if it were leased for a cricket ground, it would create a positive externality which would enhance the whole area, and further the creation of a high-class suburb in Edgbaston" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - okie doke that's fine. NapHit (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any particular reasons for having colours in the First-class, List A and Twenty columns?
- Not really - should I remove them....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would yes, they don't seem to serve any purpose. NapHit (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Could have a separate column for the refs?
- Aaarrrgghhh, I originally had the refs in a separate column but got told above to move them into the other columns, which took ages. I really don't fancy moving them all back again..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:43, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Ah forget it then, not gonna make you slave away doing that. NapHit (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NapHit (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Coloured headers are no more :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:35, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support great work NapHit (talk) 17:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias

I think having the "First-class", "List A" and "Twenty20" titles above the "First, Last, Matches" row would work better.
Personally, I'd prefer the venues that have only hosted one match to display that match in both first and last, but I can the logic in not doing so.
The table needs row and column scopes adding per MOS:DTT.

Otherwise this looks pretty good! Harrias ^talk 13:12, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done the first one, the rows and scopes may have to wait till after the weekend as I'll be away -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I do it myself if I have a few free minutes! Any chance you could take a look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Somerset County Cricket Club grounds/archive1 sometime after the weekend too? Harrias ^talk 13:41, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the rows and scopes turned out to be nowhere near as big a deal as I thought, so I managed to get them done before clocking off for the weekend........ -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:45, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support, nice work. Harrias ^talk 17:57, 3 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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