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List of governors of Edo State

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Nominator(s): Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is the list of governors of Nigeria's state of Edo from when the region was called Mid-Western renamed to Bendel and then splitted into Edo and Delta, this is focusing on Edo. I have significantly worked on this and think it meets the criteria for FL. This list looks very similar to other lists of governors. Feedbacks would be greatly appreciated. This would be part of the ongoing Developing Countries Wiki Contest which I am participating in. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 02:15, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vanderwaalforces: You haven't completed step 5 of the nomination procedure laid out in Wikipedia:Featured list candidates. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MPGuy2824 Whoops, done, thanks for pointing out. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MPGuy2824
  • The party colors in the Edo state table make no sense without a legend. Alternatively, you can move the party color next to the party name and skip the legend.
  • When images aren't there for a particular person, you can add a centered emdash.
  • Some of the refs are missing archive links.
  • In order to avoid cluttering the table with references, you could move them all to a new column at right-end of the table.
  • Every image should have alt text. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MPGuy2824 Please can you suggest how I can add a legend? Where to place it? templates I can use? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you are going with that option, you can either use {{Legend}} or just a normal table. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MPGuy2824 Oh, I think there's no need for that. Because I just put the colours before the party names. That makes sense now. Do you think the table is currently cluttered with refs right now? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I just put the colours before the party names Yup, no need to add a legend now.
    Do you think the table is currently cluttered with refs right now? I had noticed refs in quite a few columns at the time, but now I see that each ref is supporting a particular piece of data. I think this is fine as is. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:07, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MPGuy2824 Hi there, pinging as you did not seem to practically vote on this :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:44, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Some things to be fixed:
    • "executive functions, while the Governor's role" => "governor"
    • "George Agbazika Innih and Husaini Abdullahi later served as military governors." This line isn't needed at the end of the Mid-Western Region section, since they are rightly mentioned in the next section.
    • "Following the administrative changes"
    • "and local governments under the regime of General Murtala Mohammed" add a comma after governments.
    • "style="height:2em;" isn't really needed since the photos take up more space than that anyway.
    • "first military governor of the newly Edo State." or "newly formed"
    • "Oversaw the transition period following Ogbemudia's administration."
    • "Brief return to civilian rule under the umbrella of the National Party of Nigeria before the 1983 military coup." Use brackets (or commas) before and after the phrase "under the umbrella of the National Party of Nigeria"
    • "The 15 January 1966, military coup" Eliminate the comma.
    • Wikilink "Dimka"
    • User:Lingzhi2/reviewsourcecheck-sb.js is showing some seemingly fixable issues with the references.
    -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:22, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @MPGuy2824 I cleared all now, except that the second entry in the "Sources" section is showing "Missing archive link" even though I do not have a URL parameter, I'm sure it is misinterpreting the DOI as one.
    Thank you very much for spotting these :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:54, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • 'style="height:2em;" isn't really needed' - you've ignored this one, but I hadn't mentioned that it was mandatory.
    • Link to "Dimka" in the footnotes. - It might be better to link directly to the relevant section (Participation in the 13 February 1976 Coup and death) of the article.
    Support based on prose and table accessibility. Supporting in advance, since I'm sure you'll fix the last point. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 03:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Done, thank you so much :) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
SnowFire

Nice work. However, I'm not so certain on the prose. I made some sample edits to the lede that you should feel free to adjust to try to "tell a story" more, as the old lede bounced around in time. In general, it's not good to replicate the table in prose - it's better to indicate something that isn't already in the table, ideally, rather than just name-drop people. A few other questions:

  • Was Osadebay's title really "Civilian Premier"? https://nigeriareposit.nln.gov.ng/items/fd2b27ce-45c7-4a60-9459-afcd4fc9a566 just calls him "premier" and that seems an unusual title.
  • Similarly, it'd be one thing if this was only post-1991 leaders, but being that the earlier pre-1991 stuff is included... the obvious starting point seems like it'd be independence, but the article doesn't discuss 1960-1963 at all. How was the region organized in that period? Even if the answer is "as an insignificant part of a much larger unit" or "not at all", it would still be good to mention what structure did exist.
  • Feel free to restore if it's a quirk of Nigerian English, but I don't think "civilian" titles are used typically on Wikipedia per MOS:CREDENTIAL. It's fine to mention military titles mostly to quickly signify the role was military, but "Prof." or "Dr." is more questionable unless it's also a COMMONNAME.
  • Why is "Deputy governors represented the same party as their governor." a footnote to the Deputy column? That seems like something more for prose in the table introduction to explain the role of Deputy Governor.
  • First, I'm not sure the birth & death dates for governors is really relevant to include at all, but I know lots of similar lists include it, so if you want to include it that's fine. That said... I'm not a fan of ???? for unknown dates. Just omit them, IMO (but feel free to push back if this is in fact the standard). And is Baba Adamu Iyam really dead at an unknown year? His article suggests he is alive. SnowFire (talk) 07:12, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SnowFire
  • I removed the Civilian
  • I am confident that this list is as concise and inclusive as it should be right now. I don't want to come up with information I have no source for. Which is why I am sticking to information from sources that are available.
  • This is okay by me.
  • Please can you explain further what you mean?
  • I could omit the birth/death dates that are unknown, but I don't think it is not really necessary to not include their birth/death dates at all. I have seen similar lists in formats like this. Iyam's article does not suggest he is alive, his death date is unknown.
Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there really no information on how the 1960-1963 Western Region was governed and who by? I get that sourcing can be tough for these topics, but I don't really see a reason why the chart should start in 1963 but not 1960, so this seems a clear gap. If the records were lost or the region really was in chaos and had no governor, then fine, we can say so ("the governors of the Western Region in 1960-63 are unknown"), but that seems like it'd be surprising if really true.
  • I don't feel like the Deputy Governor party footnote makes the most sense as a footnote rather than prose. If you disagree, that's fine, it's not mandatory, but I would suggest explaining the Deputy Governor in the prose introduction is preferred if it's going to be included in the table. This can include the way they're elected and why they usually match the party of the Governor.
  • The guideline is that for anyone who would be older than 115, if there isn't an explicit source saying they're alive, we assume they're dead. But otherwise, we assume they're alive, because falsely reporting someone as dead is much worse than falsely assuming a dead person is alive. So maybe ???? is fine for people born in 1909 and before in charts, but we should use "born 19XX" or "b. 19XX" when it's unknown. (And Iyam's article has no death date listed and has him in Category:Living people?). If you have a source saying Iyam is dead, then let's update his article, but if we're not sure on his status, we should default to only showing the known birth date and no marking implying a death date.
  • There are still some prose concerns. I suppose I can just make the changes myself but see the example on the lede - the body still has stuff like "Prof. Oserheimen Osunbor, Comrade Adams Oshiomhole," without it being clear that these are COMMONNAME titles. SnowFire (talk) 17:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Checking in again. You wrote " I don't want to come up with information I have no source for." but I really don't think these are THAT hard to find sources on. While there are premiers in this list, it looks like there was both a governor AND a Premier in the Western Region of the time. It looks like Adesoji Aderemi was governor 1960-63, while Samuel Ladoke Akintola was Premier of the Western Region in 1960-1962. Some sort of political crisis broke out in 1962 and Akintola was dismissed by Aderemi. The WP article says he was dismissed due to a declaration of emergency and M. A. Majekodunmi was sent on a temporary basis (sourced to "The Fate of Africa" p.193, which isn't that expensive as an e-book - maybe more there? I don't have access.). This contemporary 1962 news article suggests that Dauda Soroye Adegbenro sought to become Premier, but a court blocked it (unclear if it stuck) and tried to restore Akintola. But this was just from a quick surface-level search. This suggests that there are surely deeper sources if the basics aren't that hard to find. Unless there is some other reason to exclude the material?
  • On death dates, this is something that I'm more insistent on. "born 1942" suggests just that, a birth date, but "1942-????" implies an unknown death date very clearly to me. SnowFire (talk) 03:41, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SnowFire Hi there, I have made significant cleanup per the COMMONNAME titles. I have also a subsection called Western Region you can take a look at, based on your recommendations above. Also did some MOS fixes to the dates. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (de-indent) Sorry, it looks like I phrased my comment unclearly above. What I meant was not literally "19XX", but rather the actual appropriate date for when the birthdate is known but the death date is unknown. For example, if someone was born in 1943 but we aren't sure when or if they died, we should write "born 1943" or "b. 1943". Checking, MOS:APPROXDATE does not include any guidance for when everything is unknown, but I presume omitting is the default. I remain firmly opposed to any form of an end date with ???? (or 19XX) when we aren't sure whether they're dead at all.
  • As I wrote above, to be clear, I wasn't complaining about the military titles. That said I won't complain given that you've removed most of them, the above complaint was on stuff like "Prof." or "Comrade" without evidence of a common name. (If it's a common name like "Mother Teresa" then feel free to just say so.)
  • Question: Did you get access to "The Fate of Africa", or AGFing it? Because I was just offering that reference from elsewhere on Wikipedia to investigate, if you were depending on me here.
  • I'm still not happy with the prose in parts, but just going to edit it myself. One area I didn't edit - The Mid-Western Region's administrative history is relevant to the formation and early governance of Edo State - this seems taunting. How is it relevant? You're leaving the reader hanging! Can you explain what is meant here, or rephrase? I made my changes in this diff, feel free to speak up if I erred in here. SnowFire (talk) 21:53, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @SnowFire Oh yes, I got access to The Fate of Africa source. Thank you for your edit, I ended up removing that statement entirely. Thank you. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Just following up to see if all of @SnowFire's concerns have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:44, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I attended to these already, waiting for SnowFire's comment. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've been completely swamped the past week or so. Sorry about the delay. Support. SnowFire (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TechnoSquirrel69

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Putting myself down for later, per request from Vanderwaalforces. I'll likely tackle a source review in the process. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:18, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Following up to see if you're still interested in doing a source review @TechnoSquirrel69. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, everyone — life called and I was unable to edit these last couple of days. Anyways, have a review, Vanderwaalforces! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
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Citation numbers from this revision.

  • Remove the uppercase letters from citations 2, 5, 7, 11, and 26.
  • Synchronize the use of dashes between citations 2, 12, 19, and 27. Don't use double hyphens per MOS:DASH.
  • Citation 12: The article prose uses em dashes between dates, but this citation uses an en dash; use one or the other.
  • Citation 12 again: Remove the author parameter. Also, can this be linked to The Nation (Nigeria)?
  • Citation 18: remove the |publisher=.
  • Citations 19 and 20: remove the newspaper names from the titles.
  • Citation 23: straighten out the spacing in the title.
  • Citation 24: what does |publisher=[s.n.] mean? Don't initialize the first name. Archive links are not needed for Google Books.
  • Citation 35: add |lang=pcm.
  • I'm not going to ask for it, but you might consider standardizing the casing of the titles — this script might be able to help.
  • The use of shortened footnotes is a bit confusing. Both Abernethy 1964 and Iweze & Anyanwu 2021 are cited only once, so consider putting the full citations in a footnote instead.
  • Eweka 2013, on the other hand, cites multiple pages, but the full citation is in a footnote instead of the sources list.

The Internet Archive seems to be having server issues, so I wasn't able to get to many of my checks. More comments are on their way. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoSquirrel69 Thank you so much for these comments, I fixed all of them now. The script didn't help, lol, I had to do them myself, thanks for pointing to it. I'd await your further comments. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your work so far! The Archive outage continues, which is rather hampering my progress here, especially on the sources I really want to check the reliability of. I decided to just post the rest of the formatting comments I have. I'll get to the spot-checks when the Archive comes back online. Now working from this revision.

  • I keep timing out when trying to access citation 1. Does it need a |url-status=dead?
  • Format citation 2 with |last= and |first=.
  • The ISSN in citation 4 doesn't appear to be valid.
  • Remove the redundant author parameters from citation 5.
  • & → and in citation 5 per MOS:&.
  • Do we have the first name for the author in citation 6? Link The Africa Report.
  • Capital letters in citation 7.
  • Link Vanguard in citation 8.
  • Link Premium Times in citation 10.
  • Citation 16 needs a first name.
  • There's a stray space in the title of citation 17. Italicize Not His Master's Voice. Is allafrica.com the proper name of this publication? If so, please capitalize it and remove it from the title.
  • Same question for Nigeriaworld.com in citation 19.
  • Link Daily Trust in citations 20 and 21.
  • Maybe link Nigerian Armed Forces in citation 24?
  • Citation 27 needs fixes for spacing, dashes, and an ampersand as above. Probably switch the |work= to |publisher=, along with citation 28.
  • Link The Punch in citation 29.
  • Add |lang=pcm to citation 30. Would you mind doing another scan for non-English sources in case I missed any and marking them as needed?
  • Remove the author parameters from citation 32.
  • I'd recommend removing the author parameters from citation 34 and expanding the initialism in the |publisher= parameter. The year in the title is not needed if you're also putting it in the citation.
  • Standardize the inclusion of ISSNs, please. For example, citation 36 has one but not citation 10 from the same publication.

Bottom text —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 23:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoSquirrel69 Hi there. Looks like archive.org is live now? I was able to access some archive links, just letting you know. I will get to these comments now. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TechnoSquirrel69
  • Added the dear url parameter as it is indeed dead.
  • I formatted.
  • The ISSN, while not showing properly from WorldCat, it appears to be valid from https://portal.issn.org/resource/ISSN/2315-506X
  • I removed the first= and last=, I hope that is what you meant.
  • Linked. Yes please, I got David to be the first name from https://www.proquest.com/openview/ca57d2f6acae95a02f469ce5b4923115/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=1820943
  • Fixed caps
  • Linked Vanguard
  • Linked Premium Times
  • Added full first name
  • Thank you, I fixed this
  • Added author name to NigeriaWorld.com
  • Linked Daily Trust
  • Linked Nigeria Armed Forces
  • Fixed spaces and ampersand
  • I could not find a |work= in any citation in this article, neither did I find an & in citation 28, so I assume fixed.
  • I added |lang=pcm, I also checked for others, just in case and could not find any (I wrote the article and can't remember using any other language :))
  • Fixed
  • Fixed, and expanded PDP
  • I fixed this too.
Thank you so much for spotting these. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing these and for the heads-up; it looks like the Wayback Machine is partially online, which I just found out this morning. I'll get back to the spot-checks and have those up here soon. By the way, feel free to reply to my comments inline if you wish. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:18, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TechnoSquirrel69 Hi there, I hope you are doing well. Any update on this? Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh boy; I'd let this slip off my radar these last few days while I was down with a flu, my apologies for that! I have some time to myself this afternoon, so let's see if I can't wrap this up today. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now working from this revision.

  • I'm assuming good faith on the verification of sources I can't access, such as books.
  • Citation 2a does not verify the "1960 to 1963" dates, as it was published in 1962.
  • Still need a full name for the author of citation 4. (Side note: the journal's website is dead, but they appeared to have an editorial board, so this looks good.)
  • However, could you point me to the part of the paper which supports the statement "in 1963, influencing Edo State's subsequent governance structures"?
    • I restructured this sentence as The political instability during this period contributed to the regional tensions that persisted even after the Western Region was split and the Mid-Western Region was created in 1963. and added Falola & Genova 2009 page 229 to verify the date. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for adding this. A couple of formatting things since this source wasn't in the article before: as with Eweka 2013 earlier, move the full citation to the bottom reference list; The Scarecrow Press → Scarecrow Press; link Scarecrow Press. —TS
    I did this. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are the given names for the author in citation 7 ordered correctly?
  • What makes citation 9 a reliable source? Their about page is... rather unenlightening.
    • Changed source to the above Falola & Genova 2009 page 230 which mentions that In August 1967 it was occupied by Biafran forces, and on 19–21 September 1967 the region was declared the independent Republic of Benin. and page 283 which says Okonkwo was governor of the Mid-Western Region from August 1967 to September 1967, during the brief period when the Republic of Biafra controlled it. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't get citation 10 to load. Does it need a |url-status=dead?
  • Citation 12: The Nation Newspaper → The Nation
  • What makes citation 19 a reliable source?
    I don't currently have access to that book as archive.org still isn't completely functional, and isn't allowing sign-ins. For clarity, did the authors specifically state that Nigeriaworld.com was reliable, or just cite the website themselves? —TS
    Quoting from page 385 The Internet resources available on Nigeria are constantly expanding. The most reliable websites are the online editions of daily newspapers from Nigeria. This Day (www.thisdayonline.com) and The Guardian (http://www.ngrguardiannews.com) are the most popular and informative. In addition, several comprehensive websites offer news, weather, online chatting, and basic information about Nigeria. They include Nigeriaworld (http://nigeriaworld.com), E-Nigeria (http://www.e-nigeria.net), and Online Nigeria (http://onlinenigeria.com). Permit me to give you a hack :) I think you can get the book here. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have questions with citation 21. Is the person mentioned here even the same person as Abubakar Waziri? The obituary lists none of the things mentioned in that article and vice versa. This person also reached only a lieutenant colonel rank, while the governor in the list is a major general (also mentioned in Eweka 2013 as a brigadier general, for what it's worth).
    • This is interesting. I have removed both sources, and replaced them with Fejokwu 1992 page 132 which says Abubakar Waziri was born on 28th September, 1940 at Potiskum the Headquarters of Fika Local Government Area. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have questions about this new source. I can't find much on the Internet about either of the authors, and the publisher Polcom Nigeria appears to be a telecommunications company — not exactly a trusted academic press. Do you have any information about this book that would establish its reliability? —TS
    I do not see an issue here at all. This Polcom was actually the press and not the telco. For example, see another of Fejokwu's publication under Polcom Press [2], here, it is Polcom Press and not Nigeria and it is the same publisher as the one for the publication being cited here. From here, I can see other publications of Fejokwu from the CBN. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is citation 22 reliable enough for this application? This discussion brings up some concerns with its reliability.
  • Citation 29: Punch Newspapers → The Punch or Punch
  • Citation 32: The Sun Nigeria → The Sun
    • I used The Sun.
  • Also, is The Sun a reliable source? I don't see evidence of editorial oversight on their about page.
    Further explanation needed. I am not familiar with Nigerian newspapers, and I questioned this source because I didn't see any of the usual indicators of reliability (editorial oversight, peer review, RSN discussion, etc.). —TS
    Okay, I think I see where the confusion is coming from. The Sun recently changed their domain from sunnewsonline.com to thesun.ng and has since been updating their site, see here for editorial board, etc. --Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You can, in fact, access it from the new domain https://thesun.ng/the-team/ Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Let me know if you have any questions! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 03:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TechnoSquirrel69 Thank you so much, I fixed the above. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Vanderwaalforces; replies are above. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 21:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TechnoSquirrel69 Thank you, see my replies above. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good responses to my questions and good work! Thanks again for your patience during this review. Source review passed! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 14:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TechnoSquirrel69 Thank you so much for this work that you did here! It is very much appreciated! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man im josh

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Please ping me when the above issues have been addressed. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hey man im josh I can’t believe I am just seeing this, thanks for the comments. I have fixed them now. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's all from me then, good stuff Vanderwaalforces. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Josh! Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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